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MarcusAu wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
I don't have a dog in the Brexit fight,..
But if you did it would be a British Bulldog, or a Yorkshire Terrier, or a Corgi, or a Border Collie...

...actually I'm not sure what the most patriotic dog for a Brit to have would be.
Margaret Thatcher.

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Ape+lust wrote:Have you seen this mutant, Matt?

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El Rey Magnum. The breeders deem it to be "close to perfection."

Looks to me like it's "close to a seahorse." Apparently, they're doing to horses what kennel clubs have done to dogs :shock:

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Fucking hell. What has Jennifer McWrong been doing to herself?

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Old_ones wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
Old_ones wrote:...actually I'm not sure what the most patriotic dog for a Brit to have would be.
Margaret Thatcher.
I'll see your Maggie Thatcher and raise you...

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Apparently she farts the national anthem, poops union flags and can smell "forrins" at 300 yards. Oh, and with a pus like that, you know the family silver is safe!

(I'd still do her though, it's a Dark Crystal thing)

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Kirbmarc wrote: They should rename the paper as "The Saudi Dependent" :bjarte:
Some pure gold comments, though.

Personal fave:
And up next, how the teachings of Hitler can help to reduce anti-semitism...
Strong lols.

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Shatterface wrote:You didn't answer my question. What percentage of Brexit voters want to retire to Spain?
No idea. You're missing my point anyway. I was saying for the public to be consulted democratically, the actual options should have been presented to them plainly, by the government (who, after all, will be the ones implementing their "will"). So "Leave" would have to be defined before the vote, not after it. If "Leave" involves losing free movement, it should be made clear that it would be reciprocal - it wouldn't just mean that Osama bin Laden will no longer be able to move to a mansion in Surrey at the expense of the taxpayer - it also means that they themselves will have to earn quite a bit from their pension to be able to move to the continent for retirement. Then it's up to them (not you lot) whether or not they consider that a problem or not.

That's just one small part of it (if you recall, I gave a few examples), but nevertheless it would be a requirement in order for there to be an informed, truly democratic choice.

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Last night Stevie Nicks performed on Governor's Island (a couple minutes from Manhattan by ferry). It was a private concert for the top customers of Cartier jewelry. The company rented the island for over a month, to build temporary structures for the festivities. I wasn't employed on the island, but I worked in the penthouse of the Cartier Mansion, which was redecorated in the style of late-60's-thru-early80's chic/ with low-slung furniture, a long black-glass bartop, & paintings by the originator of the 1960's OpArt movement.
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A couple floors above the mansion's street-level show floor, I helped build a display area, contrasting the tools & work bench of an 1800's Cartier designer, vs. the microscopes and precision tools used by current jewelers. The display featured the "Panthere" designs of the 1930's.
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My construction crew's shifts were overnight, after the jewelry was locked-away. My yakuza-bitch worked 12-hour day shifts on the party island. Some days, we passed-off the same bag of hand tools, briefly crossing-paths at home. My crew was nearly all straight males & managed to work-together without personal incident, despite some rough characters & eccentric personalities. Her crew is nearly all females, with a few gay dudes-- and every day was reality-tv drama. My bitch quit school & worked in restaurant kitchens from age 15, so she can work like a dude among dudes. But her version of dealing with crazy women is to dive right in & fight-to-win the crazybitch game, rather than avoid it. She scares the other women, because their unspoken rule is to confine themselves to white-collar verbal cuntiness & behind-the-back whispering. But they aren't sure she wouldn't break a nose, fuck their husband, or-- even worse-- directly address what's going-on out-loud in plain terms-- in front of bosses & underlings. I'd prefer if she had more strategic options than 1. Pokerface, & 2. Aggressive Confrontation. Even a rattlesnake has rattle-mode, between stealth & venom.

The night shifts leave me in a jetlagged state, like nursing a hangover. I'm still banged-up from a bicycle crash in the rain, a day after Labor Day. Sore neck & hip socket. So each morning I walk dog, fetch the chinese-language newspaper for yakuza-bitch's dad. Decades ago, his errand-running 'little brothers' were gifted Rolexes. She gave me a vintage Dukes of Hazzard watch. Worth about $5. But it has a confederate flag on it! They're descended from the chinese Lee family. Like Bruce Lee. and The General Lee.

My neighborhood is made for hangovers. Old puerto ricans sitting on milk crates on the sidewalk, dressed like Serpico. Young ones playing shitty autotune music & selling drugs. Hoodrat chicks in tight clothes. Affluent whiteys & asians in expensive restaurants & coffee shops. Nobody with anywhere-particular to be. There's an ambition-killing comfort on the block. My jetlag attire is Crocs, Kangol, ripped t-shirt and cut-offs. Like a jamaican hobo. And earbuds...

...hours and days and weeks of podcasts & youtube with a paranoid rightwing edge. Stefan Molyneux, Freedom Feens, School Sucks Podcast, Thaddeus Russell, Diversity and Comics, Cato Institute, Reason, Joe Rogan, Bill Burr... and leftwing morons confirming those biases, like This American Life & Same Harris (sic.)

When my gal was a bonafide pre-pubescent uniformed schoolgirl in Japan, getting groped by adult strangers on public transportation on the way to school was a regular occurrence. She & her sisters invented the term "the uh-oh feeling", to describe their negative gut reaction. Today's political climate gives me the Uh-Oh Feeling. I find myself drawn to doomsayers & conspiracy theorists, attempting to contend with the queasy crap by bathing in it.

For example, this podcast takes a glass-half-empty view of britain's Tavistock Institute, founded in WW2 to psychologize young british men into dying for their country, re-purposed after the war to sell shampoo & globalist consumerism for United Fruit or "Progressive" Utopian mind-controller do-gooders, or MK Ultra... who want to spread veganism & homosexuality & mass zombification. At minimum, it's excellent dystopian paranoid Science Fiction:
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/scho ... 8_03-07_00

But then, one day later, Sam Harris's podcast features Nicholas Christakis-- the professor who was mobbed at Yale for disagreeing with SJWs on Halloween Costumes. Hooray for that guy... except... the second half of the podcast Entirely Confirms the paranoia of that Tavistock conspiracy link. The professor, by his own description, specializes in finding ways to influence the right 'five' people in a 'village', so they change their minds on a targeted political issue. He admits his research to increase voter participation can be used to decrease it. And more. Uh-oh.
https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/facing-the-crowd

That's just one example. One thought leads to another, and I find myself looking-up the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, wondering if I'm a psychopath. Or.. it appears I am not one... but am intentionally re-shaping myself into a facsimile of one, to contend with a world in which civil order seems to be breaking into psychopath winners & docile losers. I mean-- leaning rightward there's Molyneux & Jordan Peterson & Lauren Southern-- Monogamous Marriage & Parenthood as the ultimate correct path. And leftward there's Weinstein's hollywood cronies slutwalking young minds into the Tinder meatgrinder. And here I am, conflicted between a sense that the former is Right/ but the latter offers me a lucrative, satanic Uh-Oh Feeling payoff.

This is funny... This whole rant was triggered by Amanda Marcotte's tweet insinuating anal sex is a betrayal of feminism. I really buried the lede! Either she's wrong & many women enjoy my dick in their ass/ or she's right & my skill at oppressing women is way more impressive than I realized. I suspect it's partially-both. Feminists complain about how girls today feel pressured or brainwashed into having badwrongsex, as seen in porn. I think there's truth in that. However-- I don't see the Right promoting the real world becoming more like porn-- it's the Left whose intentional & unintentional effect is to reshape real life into a place where it's no big deal for step-parents to fuck step-children, teachers to fuck students, buttholes get poked, & Literal and Figurative 'Sugar Babies' are not slut-shamed for leeching off Sugar Daddies & the Welfare State.

I spent 40 years believing I should not base my moral compass on what others around me do. I should stick to what I know is right. Abide by the Uh-Oh Feeling warning signals. But lately I dabble in 'red pills', which say that's for cucks. And the degenerate world-- of sex, politics, business-- is a weimar playground-- a tight, clean butthole-- there for the taking.

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Sunder wrote: I'm not saying I'm starting to like Carrier or anything, but I might buy the guy a drink for this.
By all reports he doesn't mind if other splash out.

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I can remember going on family holidays to Spain before the Maastricht treaty and free movement. I can remember some older rellies who retired in Italy, before free movement. I can remember the crops in the farrming community I grew up in not rotting unpicked in the fields before free movement. I can remember farm labourers being able to rent a cottage in the village on farm labourer pay, before free movement.


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Lsuoma wrote:One of our long-time cats died today at 13. We are heartbroken - she was family.
Oh fuck, I'm so belatedly sorry. Pets are family.

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I almost fell outta my chair!

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Perhaps a bit too obscure?

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DrokkIt wrote:
And up next, how the teachings of Hitler can help to reduce anti-semitism...
Strong lols.
The Goyim know.... shut it down!
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Although anyone deserves the right to tell crap jokes it appears Americans are starting to get what we Brits have known for ever.

James Corden just ain't funny.

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Shatterface wrote:The bus was total bullshit but so was the claim that that Britain would be reduced to a smoking hole in the ground following nuclear war with Finland if the EU wasn't around to prevent WWIII.
That's not true, I saw the documentary.


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If there are X-Men how come there are still humans?

Evolution is bunk.

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We probably would need to keep a few Polish builders after that to be fair. :think:

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shoutinghorse wrote:We probably would need to keep a few Polish builders after that to be fair. :think:
If you appreciate your construction work to be done expertly by people who actually turn up after appointment then yes, I'd keep them. Because especially that last bit seems to much of a burden for the native Danish mason, welder or carpenter.

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Notung wrote:
Shatterface wrote:No, over half the voters voted one way, less than half voted the other way, and the politicians interpreted the results the only possible way they could be interpreted.

Some numbers are bigger than other numbers. That's not just a point of view.
Yes, about half - my point is that the population is anything but united on this. The way people talk you'd think that the result was 95-5...
I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving. As to ignoring the result of a referendum as this was advisory only it is not binding on any party whatever the electoral consequences might be. If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why. Again this vote would also of not been necessary if Parliament had adopted what measures they could to ensure taht there weren't benefits available just by turning up in the UK and that immigrants had to leave if no job within 3 months. This would of required I cards etc. and is probably why this hasn't been done.

I do find the whole process insane including calling the referendum in the first place and can't see any good result of leaving.Banks, Pension Funds etc. are all already moving or have moved operations to Europe and this will only increase once Brexit is inevitable Whatever happens in respect of trade deals etc. we are in for a period of austerity.

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TheMudbrooker wrote:A couple of videos of Ragnar, sadly now defunct, in action





Sorry about the dog, looked like quite a character. You've got a great voice, should the pit ever do a podcast.

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Malky wrote:I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
It seems odd to me that many people seem to believe the older generation are utterly isolated and bereft of any children or grandchildren whose futures they might be concerned about.

As for they younger generation being 'overwhelmingly' concerned about their future - according to the polls, 60-70% of these younger folks couldn't be arsed to vote on the day.

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Malky wrote: I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
These young people also dye their hair blue, waste their money on iPhones, and won't tidy their room. Young people are fucking morons and we need to save them from themselves, as the mother of a teenage daughter, I can confirm this as a fact.
Malky wrote: As to ignoring the result of a referendum as this was advisory only it is not binding on any party whatever the electoral consequences might be.
The government asked the people what we wanted and we advised them. And the government was voted in on the basis that they would ask us and then presumably carry out the will of the people. Therefore they have a mandate to leave Europe.
Malky wrote: If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why.
If we wanted politicians that ignore what we wanted, ignored referendums, and kept on asking until they got the answer they wanted, we would have voted to stay in the EU. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which caused the majority of the country to vote to leave.

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Malky wrote:I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
So we should ignore knowledge and wisdom acquired over a lifetime in favour of ignorant screaming crybabies who's experience of the world is mediated through Twitter and Facebook, who can't work out what gender they are by looking down their pants, and who have zero commitment to even basic rights such as freedom of speech?
As to ignoring the result of a referendum as this was advisory only it is not binding on any party whatever the electoral consequences might be. If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why. Again this vote would also of not been necessary if Parliament had adopted what measures they could to ensure taht there weren't benefits available just by turning up in the UK and that immigrants had to leave if no job within 3 months. This would of required I cards etc. and is probably why this hasn't been done.
I think referenda are a lousy way to run a society but the referendum was part of the 2015 election promises so whatever you think of referendum the fact that we had one was decided through the same FPTP system we use for every other decision.
I do find the whole process insane including calling the referendum in the first place and can't see any good result of leaving.Banks, Pension Funds etc. are all already moving or have moved operations to Europe and this will only increase once Brexit is inevitable Whatever happens in respect of trade deals etc. we are in for a period of austerity.
The EU has been pushing austerity. What the fuck do you think happened in Greece?

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Fuck old people.

Sure, they worked all their days and contributed to society (taxes, labour, working in/helping maintain infrastructure etc) but now they're old, screw 'em. There should be a cut-off point when you're no longer allowed a part in the democratic process.

In fact, fuck it, let's go full "Logan's run" on their old asses...

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So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.

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Tigzy wrote:
Malky wrote:I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
It seems odd to me that many people seem to believe the older generation are utterly isolated and bereft of any children or grandchildren whose futures they might be concerned about.

As for they younger generation being 'overwhelmingly' concerned about their future - according to the polls, 60-70% of these younger folks couldn't be arsed to vote on the day.
I don't disagree but from within my own family (very limited I know) there a more than a few of the older generation who now regret their vote having seen the reaction if their children and grandchildren. Some of then won't even talk about their vote now.

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So after being subjected to bitching and lecturing for months on end older folk have decided not to talk about it in front of the young 'uns.

Well fuck me, I'd have never expected that.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Malky wrote: I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
These young people also dye their hair blue, waste their money on iPhones, and won't tidy their room. Young people are fucking morons and we need to save them from themselves, as the mother of a teenage daughter, I can confirm this as a fact.
Possibly true but adhoms against your generation are easy to find as well

As to ignoring the result of a referendum as this was advisory only it is not binding on any party whatever the electoral consequences might be.
The government asked the people what we wanted and we advised them. And the government was voted in on the basis that they would ask us and then presumably carry out the will of the people. Therefore they have a mandate to leave Europe.
It has been interpreted that way but as Notung has pointed out what that meant was not. Also as he pointed out the Gov't of
the day and MPs often ignores the wishes of the majority to not pass legislation that the majority want such as capital punishment.
The point of an advisory referendum is that it is not mandatory.
If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why.
If we wanted politicians that ignore what we wanted, ignored referendums, and kept on asking until they got the answer they wanted, we would have voted to stay in the EU. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which caused the majority of the country to vote to leave.
See above fucked up quotes sorry

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Shatterface wrote:So after being subjected to bitching and lecturing for months on end older folk have decided not to talk about it in front of the young 'uns.

Well fuck me, I'd have never expected that.
Well they don't want to talk about it because they are being lectured etc. - not happening in my family but because they realise they have voted to leave because they believed the Daily Mail etc. (they all read this and prior to the vote this was the main points being put to me) and this is exactly opposite to what their children wanted. At least my Father asked me (he voted remain after talking to all of us).

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feathers wrote: Saudi Arabia, of course, has no entertainment industry scandals because they have no entertainment industry.
Do horrific drifting crashes count?

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Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
I had a similar experience on Facebook, arguing with cousins. Facebook is so very awful for so many reasons, not the least of which is people using it to reinforce their silo/echo chamber and become emboldened by fellow stupidity.

I wish that I could delete my account, but it seems the only way to keep track of my vast extended family.

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Bhurzum wrote:Fuck old people.
If you say so.
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Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
They aren't real muslims if they rape. This guy was kidnapped and his wife raped and forced to have a miscarriage by members of the Haqqani taliban which according to him aren't good muslims or bad muslims, they are pagans.
Not only that, but the fact that he was a muslim pilgrim and was married to Zaynab Khadr, a family friend of both Bin Laden and al Zawahiri and they still kidnapped his sorry ass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadr_family#Zaynab_Khadr
By the way, the charitable work Zaynab's daddy was engaged in was fund raising for al Qaeda.

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I've never really bought the generational argument I'm afraid - sure it's a bit of a tragedy that the generation who will be lumbered with it the longest, in general voted against it, but I think the older generations were entitled to vote how they wanted, and to my mind it doesn't invalidate the result in any way.
Malky wrote: If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why.
This is what gets me - we have some MPs voting for something that they say will do great damage to the country. I get their position - they say that they have to do it to honour the referendum, but we're still left with MPs voting for something they believe is greatly damaging. If they're going to do that then there's little point even putting it to a vote in parliament. It's a mere charade. In one way I have more respect for Mogg and Redwood than Soubry and Grieve, because at least the former are voting in line with their beliefs. The latter actually believe they are harming the country, and are going ahead and doing it anyway!


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If all the objections to Brexit I've seen, 'old people shouldn't vote' is easily the most objectionable.

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Shatterface wrote:If all the objections to Brexit I've seen, 'old people shouldn't vote' is easily the most objectionable.

If that is what I said I would agree but this is a strawman

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
I had a similar experience on Facebook, arguing with cousins. Facebook is so very awful for so many reasons, not the least of which is people using it to reinforce their silo/echo chamber and become emboldened by fellow stupidity.

I wish that I could delete my account, but it seems the only way to keep track of my vast extended family.
I detest facebook, well the social networking side to it anyway. I only have about 10 friends on it and that's only because they're 'family' and for some reason they get all butt hurt when I've tried un friending them.
I only look at my daughters page really as she posts pics & vids of my grandkids, they live over 200 miles away so I don't get to see them as often as I would like.
I keep up with various political stuff on it, some history pages that are interesting and of course the football team I support, although that's pretty fucking depressing of late (they did win this Saturday though)

What I don't get is the people who know one of your 'friends' who poke you if that's what it's called wanting to be your new bezzie mate. FUCK OFF! :x

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Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
Rampant consumerism? In a religion whose holiest city, Mecca, is pretty much a giant fuck-off shopping mall with a mosque in the centre? Surely not!

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Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
So by applying the same logic decapitation would be a good way to stop dandruff? The fetishisation of islam by SJW's really is something isn't it?

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Malky wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Malky wrote: I also think a point that is often overlooked here is the demographic of the actual referendum vote - the majority that voted Brexit are overwhelmingly in the older age groups and remain is overwhelmingly in the younger age groups. It seems insane to me that this demographic split can be used to deny the younger generations what they overwhelmingly want as they are the ones that have to live with the consequences of leaving.
These young people also dye their hair blue, waste their money on iPhones, and won't tidy their room. Young people are fucking morons and we need to save them from themselves, as the mother of a teenage daughter, I can confirm this as a fact.
Possibly true but adhoms against your generation are easy to find as well

As to ignoring the result of a referendum as this was advisory only it is not binding on any party whatever the electoral consequences might be.
The government asked the people what we wanted and we advised them. And the government was voted in on the basis that they would ask us and then presumably carry out the will of the people. Therefore they have a mandate to leave Europe.
It has been interpreted that way but as Notung has pointed out what that meant was not. Also as he pointed out the Gov't of
the day and MPs often ignores the wishes of the majority to not pass legislation that the majority want such as capital punishment.
The point of an advisory referendum is that it is not mandatory.
If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why.
If we wanted politicians that ignore what we wanted, ignored referendums, and kept on asking until they got the answer they wanted, we would have voted to stay in the EU. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which caused the majority of the country to vote to leave.
See above fucked up quotes sorry
Young people can't even work out how to use quote tags, how can we trust them with the future of the nation?

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Notung wrote:I've never really bought the generational argument I'm afraid - sure it's a bit of a tragedy that the generation who will be lumbered with it the longest, in general voted against it, but I think the older generations were entitled to vote how they wanted, and to my mind it doesn't invalidate the result in any way.
Malky wrote: If MPs and the Govt of the day was doing its job this should not be happening as despite what you see the majority of MPs were clearly remain and believe that this is best for the UK. In such circumstances they should ignore the result and explain why.
This is what gets me - we have some MPs voting for something that they say will do great damage to the country. I get their position - they say that they have to do it to honour the referendum, but we're still left with MPs voting for something they believe is greatly damaging. If they're going to do that then there's little point even putting it to a vote in parliament. It's a mere charade. In one way I have more respect for Mogg and Redwood than Soubry and Grieve, because at least the former are voting in line with their beliefs. The latter actually believe they are harming the country, and are going ahead and doing it anyway!
If they don't use their vote to express the will of their constituents, then come the next election their constituents will vote for somebody who will . And then all the young people can spend 5 years complaining about Prime Minister Farage. This is the system working the way it is supposed to.

You seem to want a system where the wishes of the people can be overruled by those who know whats best for us... those same people who have been promised jobs as consultants with multinationals, or a seat on the board, or got an eye on a job in Brussels. The same newspapers and TV stations, the same economists and experts who told us Britain would be like a third world country if we didn't join the Euro.

Thankfully wiser heads prevailed (Wisdom comes with age).

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Tigzy wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
Rampant consumerism? In a religion whose holiest city, Mecca, is pretty much a giant fuck-off shopping mall with a mosque in the centre? Surely not!
Britain's flashiest tourist: Saudi billionaire flies his £1m-plus fleet of GOLD supercars to London so he can get about while on holiday 


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I don't get what's wrong with rampant consumerism. It's the best kind.

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Vicky wrote:
Thankfully wiser heads prevailed (Wisdom comes with age).
Not always, occasionally old people disagree with me which makes them wrong and gets me so pissed I just sit back steaming and wish they would die off soon and get it over with. :drool:

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
Rampant consumerism? In a religion whose holiest city, Mecca, is pretty much a giant fuck-off shopping mall with a mosque in the centre? Surely not!
Britain's flashiest tourist: Saudi billionaire flies his £1m-plus fleet of GOLD supercars to London so he can get about while on holiday 


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Hopefully they're more responsible than this bunch of "dignitaries".


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Oglebart wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:So...I've just finished arguing on Facebook (my real one with my real name) with a guy who I thought was a reasonable person but turned out to be buying into the propaganda about islam being a good way to stop rapes. He's not even a muslim, he's a wishy-washy Catholic with leftist sympathies, but seems to think that "true islam" might be a good way to fight "rampart consumerism and objectification".

Un-fucking-believable.
So by applying the same logic decapitation would be a good way to stop dandruff? The fetishisation of islam by SJW's really is something isn't it?
Yup. The same person is now also arguing that islam is also the solution to the problem with Confederate statues, or statues of "problematic" people in general, because "many muslim scholars advise against building statues of people which are then treated with hero-worship".

Meanwhile muslims worship every fucking word and act of Ol'Mo :bjarte:

I sometimes feel like some people invent a variety of islam that doesn't exist and never existed, some sort of Islamo-Marxist hybrid that they love because it's anti-capitalistic. One of the reasons why these people love islam is pauperism, the idea that the poor are the true moral superior subjects and poverty is good, therefore islam is good since in their minds islam is all about "submitting" to god and entering a "brotherhood" and not about "showing off" or "western greed" (reality is difference but apparently those people seem to see the "true islam" that normal people can never see).

I'm sympathetic to social democracy but pauperism is retarded. Poverty is a problem, a social issue, not "moral superiority". Poor people aren't saints or little victims, indeed poverty creates people who are more, not less likely to cross legal and moral lines.

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Kirbmarc wrote: Poor people aren't saints or little victims, indeed poverty creates people who are more, not less likely to cross legal and moral lines.
This may explain why we have the same problems with criminal behaviour in our own *white people* poor housing estates!? -take note, Altrighters!

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shoutinghorse wrote:We probably would need to keep a few Polish builders after that to be fair. :think:
It's Estonians in Norway, working cheaply on their construction projects (at least Sven was, when we saved his drunk arse from freezing to death in Tromso).

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VickyCaramel wrote:snip

If we wanted politicians that ignore what we wanted, ignored referendums, and kept on asking until they got the answer they wanted, we would have voted to stay in the EU. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which caused the majority of the country to vote to leave.
It'd be bread and circuses all the way down, if politicians gave the mob what they wanted. My preference is that they are employed to take the higher ground.

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Kirbmarc wrote:One of the reasons why these people love islam is pauperism, the idea that the poor are the true moral superior subjects and poverty is good, therefore islam is good since in their minds islam is all about "submitting" to god and entering a "brotherhood" and not about "showing off" or "western greed" (reality is difference but apparently those people seem to see the "true islam" that normal people can never see).
Which is the core of the religion they just left, Jeebus-ism. And Jeebus was much nicer about it, too. But they can't go back because they told Mom and Dad to fuck off and joined every Jeebus Sucks group that would have them. Becoming reborn-again Christians would just look silly. No, Islam it is. Sorry, Mom.

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Shatterface wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:This is the same problem that affects most of politics these days. Anything left of center or simply not liked by people who define themselves as conservatives/small government fans/libertarians is called Communism, while anything right of center or simply not liked by people who define themselves as progressive/pro-government intervention/social-democrats is called Nazism.
Although most people eventually come down on one side or another the only productive conversations can take place between those who are, maybe, 70% Remain/30% Leave and 70% Leave/30% Remain. The rest are just ideologues yelling at each other.

The problem in the U.K. is that the media's Overton window is between 90 and 100% Remain with the occasional 100% Brexiteer drafted in just to be ridiculed.

Brexit is just one example of course. This is pretty much how everything from gender to law and order is discussed.
Fucking lying Brexiteer. Just pretend that the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Daily Telegraph have not been bashing the EU for years and years. And I am not even going to reply to that dishonest kipper moron Vicky Caramel. Now there's a Milf I wouldn't want to fuck :)

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KiwiInOz wrote:It'd be bread and circuses all the way down, if politicians gave the mob what they wanted. My preference is that they are employed to take the higher ground.
Indeed. If politicians act against what they believe is right for the country, then I think they're being irresponsible. Cowardice in the face of the mob isn't a very honourable reason to vote a particular way.

If they get voted out later on then so be it, but in the meantime they have a job to do.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:snip

If we wanted politicians that ignore what we wanted, ignored referendums, and kept on asking until they got the answer they wanted, we would have voted to stay in the EU. This is exactly the kind of bullshit which caused the majority of the country to vote to leave.
It'd be bread and circuses all the way down, if politicians gave the mob what they wanted. My preference is that they are employed to take the higher ground.
They don't get to chose the ground, they get to negotiate.

What happened in the UK is a perfect example of the system working. There were people from many parties who were opposed to the EU, especially in the Conservatives. However, despite many of their supporters wanting reform or even withdraw, the conservatives refused to listen. So single-issue parties sprung up who stole both voters and MPs from the major parties. In order to avoid hemorrhaging votes to UKIP, the Tories were forced to include Euro-skeptic policies in their manifesto, culminating in a referendum.

UKIP isn't the first single issue party and it won't be the last. Small parties like the Greens can force the main parties to consider environmental issues to avoid a migration of support.

I am told that a majority of people would like a return to Capital Punishment, or even Corporal Punishment and there is nothing to prevent somebody setting up a single issue party pushing for this. However, any party which is losing voters to the Hang 'em High Party can first try bribing them with a raft of better policies such as free beer and season tickets to Millwall. And if that fails they can try saiting them with stiffer penalties.
The system requires not only large numbers for the mob to be able to dictate policy, but also strength of feeling and commitment.

...and so we will have to keep an eye on Anne Marie Water's new party and see how long it is before we are loading muslims onto cattle trucks for the death camps. I thought here For Britain Party was going to be announced today, either the media are ignoring it or the piss up at the brewery is delayed.

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Notung wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:It'd be bread and circuses all the way down, if politicians gave the mob what they wanted. My preference is that they are employed to take the higher ground.
Indeed. If politicians act against what they believe is right for the country, then I think they're being irresponsible. Cowardice in the face of the mob isn't a very honourable reason to vote a particular way.

If they get voted out later on then so be it, but in the meantime they have a job to do.
It doesn't work like that. Some votes they have to follow party policy or face sanction, others are free and they can vote with their conscience.

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Jan Steen wrote: Fucking lying Brexiteer. Just pretend that the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Daily Telegraph have not been bashing the EU for years and years. And I am not even going to reply to that dishonest kipper moron Vicky Caramel. Now there's a Milf I wouldn't want to fuck :)
Gentlemen, we have found the new Christopher Hitchens.

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Notung wrote:Indeed. If politicians act against what they believe is right for the country, then I think they're being irresponsible. Cowardice in the face of the mob isn't a very honourable reason to vote a particular way.

If they get voted out later on then so be it, but in the meantime they have a job to do.
You have abandoned arguments against Brexit in favour of calling politicians cowards and hypocrites for carrying it out.

If they are, indeed, cowards and hypocrites for originally voting Remain and now acting towards Brexit this doesn't tell us anything about Brexit, only that Remain was originally backed by cowards and hypocrites. There's no cowardice or hypocrisy on the part of those who have supported Brexit all along.

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Jan Steen wrote: Fucking lying Brexiteer. Just pretend that the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Daily Telegraph have not been bashing the EU for years and years. And I am not even going to reply to that dishonest kipper moron Vicky Caramel. Now there's a Milf I wouldn't want to fuck :)
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VickyCaramel wrote:
Jan Steen wrote: Fucking lying Brexiteer. Just pretend that the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Daily Telegraph have not been bashing the EU for years and years. And I am not even going to reply to that dishonest kipper moron Vicky Caramel. Now there's a Milf I wouldn't want to fuck :)
Gentlemen, we have found the new Christopher Hitchens.
I think we've found the issue which divides the Pit democrats from the authoritarians. I don't remember so many coming out before and saying fuck the populace, the government knows best.

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