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Aneris wrote:Nah. Here's another tweet, from two days ago.

https://i.imgur.com/DVsotrv.jpg

Here's Dave Rubin on Alex Jones's show, from about a month ago. That's great timing, isn't it? It just happens that Alex Jones is now hip in that corner, shortly after Trump is also in office. Deny it as you wish. Some time ago, atheists and skeptics would have never endorsed such people, who are company of conspiracy theorist, creationists and science denialists (who also conveniently belong into the Trump administration). This has clearly changed.

Follow the tweet above, and you see that the context is also defending Trump again. Alex Jones is of course also a Trump fan, awkwardly all pointing in the same direction. Playing the uberskeptic in this manner, but jumping on every SJW fad tells me more than I want to know.
A shitpost tweet about TYT referencing the Alex Jones incident -> Dave Rubin was on Alex's show not long ago -> implicit endorsement of Alex Jones by Sargon somehow -> Defending Trump -> Alex is a Trump fan too -> jumping on every SJW fad

You're off your meds Aneris.

Maybe Sargon should have added more hashtags, since "What a time to be alive" was too subtle #SpiritCooking #BreakTheConditioning #Globalists #BuyMyWaterFilters #GayFrogs

Yeah #GayFrogs might have prevented this whole mess. Dammit Sargon!

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Aneris wrote:I also pointed out that not "hate speech" as understood in the SJW context is meant, but "prosecutable content", i.e. what is already illegal.
I think that what we've gotten here is a failure to communicate. Nowhere in the livestream do the people who are talking say that German laws are exactly the same as SJW rules. Neither did Service Dog say that German laws are the same as SJW campus rules.

You're the one who assumed that "hate speech=SJW rules", Aneris. At this point you're almost acting like Stephanie Svan when she insisted that Hemant Mehta endorsed the Slymepit just because he gave us credit for busting Avicenna for plagiarism.

The rest of your post is basically guilt by association, But with the Reichsburger and with JonTron, and insisting that trolling like kekistan is nazi dog whistling.

I'm afraid that I really don't like your insinuation that Sargon is a nazi supporter or even "alt-right". It's a smear like PZ' "haven for rapists".

And I say this as someone who disagrees a lot with Sargon on matters like the cause of differential rates of income and criminal convictions in different ethnic group in the US (he thinks it's a cultural issues, like unmarried couples, I see that evidence suggestive class factors, lack of good education and a badly implemented welfare and the issues with the War on Drugs) or like elections in France (he's tentatively pro-LePen, I think she's going to cause more trouble than show's worth, even though Macron look like a wannabe-Trudeau) or pedophile rings among the powerful and famous (I think that they exist but far too often people assume their existence from flimsy evidente, he's convinced that they're more common than most think), etc. Etc.

I think we can disagree without smears and insinuations. It's fine for you to point out that you strongly disagree with some people, less so to smear them as nazi sympathizers.
The loon and fake news creds are being established by yourself, and by the discussion just above, and by the Reichsbürger person invited as a serious guest.
You continue to pretend interviewing someone is endorsement of their beliefs.
Also defending someone's right to freedom of speech doesn't mean agreeing with them. Otherwise Chomsky would be a holocaust denier.

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A few days ago Vee Youtubed an RT vid of some FEMEN women getting kicked at a Muslim conference, wondering why the fuck it hadn't been news. The irony being that the conference was about women in Islam.

It's now been picked up by the Independent, the Daily Mail, the Huffington Post, the Guardian and the Telegraph. I wonder if this will serve as a wake-up call for a few? Some rare reporting it's just the guy in white kicking, but the Guardian reports, correctly from the looks of it (it has the look of a general kicking to me), that some of the security guards were doing it too.

The conference claimed it was the "victim of anti-Muslim frenzy", as there had been some protest about it beforehand.

Vee's commentary is inimitable, as always, so I'll link his vid:-

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The phenomenon and its media aftermath is instructive from many angles. Obviously the conference should have gone ahead. Obviously the FEMEN protest was rude and moronic, and the conference security were well within their rights to escort the ladies out; but it's also obviously a moral point that you don't kick people physically weaker than you (which is the real source of the "men don't beat up women" rule) on the ground.

It's also interesting from the Honeybadger analysis point of view - previously the "women have it worse" applied to "women over there", but something like this makes it seem like "our women" might have it worse "from them" over here. It's also interesting that the the most visible kicker is a white Muslim - one wonders which way that will go, will the excuse be that he's toxically masculine because he's white and Islam dindu nuffin? But so far even the Guardian doesn't seem to be going down that route.

A curious little petri dish altogether.

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Woops, red face, it's old news and was covered, should have checked the dates lol.

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Aneris wrote:Nah. Here's another tweet, from two days ago.

https://i.imgur.com/DVsotrv.jpg

Here's Dave Rubin on Alex Jones's show, from about a month ago. That's great timing, isn't it? It just happens that Alex Jones is now hip in that corner, shortly after Trump is also in office. Deny it as you wish. Some time ago, atheists and skeptics would have never endorsed such people, who are company of conspiracy theorist, creationists and science denialists (who also conveniently belong into the Trump administration). This has clearly changed.

Follow the tweet above, and you see that the context is also defending Trump again. Alex Jones is of course also a Trump fan, awkwardly all pointing in the same direction. Playing the uberskeptic in this manner, but jumping on every SJW fad tells me more than I want to know.
This is reaching. Sargon isn't Dave Rubin, they're not one and the same, and Sargon never "endorsed" Alex Jones anymore than I "endorsed" Paul Joseph Watson when I wrote that his video on how Sarah Silverman's crazy ramblings about imaginary swastikas and other over-reactions to Trump were hurting legitimate critics of Trump was surprisingly sensible for a guy who believes in "chemtrails".

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Aneris wrote:Nah. Here's another tweet, from two days ago.

https://i.imgur.com/DVsotrv.jpg

Here's Dave Rubin on Alex Jones's show, from about a month ago. That's great timing, isn't it? It just happens that Alex Jones is now hip in that corner, shortly after Trump is also in office. Deny it as you wish. Some time ago, atheists and skeptics would have never endorsed such people, who are company of conspiracy theorist, creationists and science denialists (who also conveniently belong into the Trump administration). This has clearly changed.

Follow the tweet above, and you see that the context is also defending Trump again. Alex Jones is of course also a Trump fan, awkwardly all pointing in the same direction. Playing the uberskeptic in this manner, but jumping on every SJW fad tells me more than I want to know.
This is reaching. Sargon isn't Dave Rubin, they're not one and the same, and Sargon never "endorsed" Alex Jones anymore than I "endorsed" Paul Joseph Watson when I wrote that his video on how Sarah Silverman's crazy ramblings about imaginary swastikas and other over-reactions to Trump were hurting legitimate critics of Trump was surprisingly sensible for a guy who believes in "chemtrails".

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Brive1987 wrote:PZ is looking for some day action as he seemingly has the night covered:
A student and I are going to attend the 2017 Midwest Zebrafish Meeting in Cincinnati, Ohio. We’re getting in on Thursday night, and the meeting schedule has us free all day Friday, until the opening remarks at 6pm.

Hmmm. What to do all day long? What embarrassing, horrible spectacle is there within a short drive of Cincinnati that could provide amusement?
A mirror.

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DrokkIt wrote:Don't know if this has been ninja'd or not (I tend to miss these things) but everyone is going crazy over this girl:



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... birmingham

Fairplay the EDL are indeed awful so props to her + everyone for telling them to fuck off as that is most necessar. Their 'protests' are just a bunch of jingoistic flag-waving bullshit done by soccer violence firms, the kind of victimising bully-boy nonsense that used to be called 'paki bashing' by skinheads.

However I do wish all these brave folks would apply the same rigorous criticism of ideology to the salafist mosques EDL attack. Does anyone else think that the existence of these thugs actually makes the job harder for everyone else who doesn't like religion?
Standing up to Salafi thugs would be waycist, tho.

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shoutinghorse wrote:The very fact that the EDL had only a couple of hundred (if that) people at a rally in Britain's 2nd city dispels any left wing Guardianista myth that the 'far right' is on the rise, it isn't anywhere near as big as they claim, even if you factor in others like the equally odious Britain First its tiny.
Yeah, but Jo Cox, or summat!

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Two dead in San Ber'dino primary school shooting.

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lol
GERMANY LABELS TWITCH A ‘RADIO SERVICE’, TELLS STREAMERS THEY NOW REQUIRE A BROADCASTING LICENSE

Popular German YouTube and Twitch channel PietSmiet (pictured) has been told it will need a license to continue to stream.

German broadcast authority the Landesmedienanstalt has temporarily ruled that live-streaming requires a broadcasting license, which costs between €1,000 and €10,000€ depending on the number of viewers, according to this Reddit post.

Those without a license will technically be classed as a pirate station and could be shut down.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comment ... reamers_a/


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Lsuoma wrote:Two dead in San Ber'dino primary school shooting.
Don't they have gun free zone?

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They might need misogyny free zone too.

I feel bad joking about this tragedy but can't help it

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Kirbmarc wrote:This is reaching. Sargon isn't Dave Rubin, they're not one and the same, and Sargon never "endorsed" Alex Jones anymore than I "endorsed" Paul Joseph Watson when I wrote that his video on how Sarah Silverman's crazy ramblings about imaginary swastikas and other over-reactions to Trump were hurting legitimate critics of Trump was surprisingly sensible for a guy who believes in "chemtrails".
I want to apologize. You are right. The woman really showed it best. She was probably just doing nude aerobic. I guess it can happen that two times a "historical" flag is used, one time ironically, and probably means nothing. Of course, freedom of speech means that even Reichsbürgers should be invited to a skeptics channel to present their point of view, after all, one might learn something. I agree, that I also went too far with the Alex Jones connection. Freedom of speech means that he should be invited and given a stage, too. Why not. I guess it can happen that all these people like Trump, and share the same views in a couple of key matters (e.g. cultural marxism, culture war, distrust of the mainstream media, nationalism, etc). Since the YouTube community is really small, you can also be friends with someone like JonTron. Actually, I was only a bit worked out today, because I was suposed to get a large chunk of money. This had me worried, but it's resolved now. If you give me your bank account, I can transfer you something. It's about to arrive from a Nigerian prince or something.

So I retract everything I wrote. You are completely right, and I won't be bringing this up again. Next time, when a man with a black beard drives a truck into a crowd, and shouts Allau Ackbar, it however has probably nothing to do with Islam. After all, that's just a normal religion, and perhaps he did it because he had a bad day. He probably shouted the words in an ironical fashion. My views on Sarah Nyberg were also transformed by this. After all, Nyberg writes it was just good edgelord fun. Since, you are not a total hypocrite, I think you'll agree with me.

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Lsuoma wrote:United Airlines has a PR problem.
I've just seen the footage on tv. Wow, somebody decided that dragging passengers off a flight was a better option than offering some kind of rewards for giving up their seat. It's going to cost them considerably more now in bad press.

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Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed under the threat of a 50million Euro fine, thereby preventing me who is not German or under German jurisdiction from seeing it?

Criminal libel, fuck that noise.

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Aneris wrote:I want to apologize. You are right. The woman really showed it best. She was probably just doing nude aerobic. I guess it can happen that two times a "historical" flag is used, one time ironically, and probably means nothing. Of course, freedom of speech means that even Reichsbürgers should be invited to a skeptics channel to present their point of view, after all, one might learn something. I agree, that I also went too far with the Alex Jones connection. Freedom of speech means that he should be invited and given a stage, too. Why not. I guess it can happen that all these people like Trump, and share the same views in a couple of key matters (e.g. cultural marxism, culture war, distrust of the mainstream media, nationalism, etc). Since the YouTube community is really small, you can also be friends with someone like JonTron. Actually, I was only a bit worked out today, because I was supposed to get a large chunk of money. This had me worried, but it's resolved now. If you give me your bank account, I can transfer you something. It's about to arrive from a Nigerian prince or something.
Good grief.

The point of the livestream wasn't to support the ideas of the Reichsbürger, it was to support his freedom of speech. Noam Chomsky supported the freedom of speech of Robert Faurisson, a known holocaust denier, is Chomsky a holocaust denier sympathizer too?

Also when did Sargon invite Alex Jones? When did he "endorse" him?

And yes, of course, not liking the SJW-friendly media (Sargon explicitly provides evidence for SJW narratives in the media, and explicitly points out those we buck the trends) is a clear indication of nazism. And as we all know all nationalism is bad, it's all nationalsocialism without the socialism. And since Sargon says he's left-wing and he's a nationalism, he's provided the socialism for the nationalsocialism!

Oh, and Trump? He's not a populist/profiteer/con-man who is following the exact same rotten script of US Republicans, down to neo-con politics now. No, he's literally Hitler, and anyone who's ever expressed an opinion even remotely positive on one of his ideas or policies or simply just refused to focus on criticizing him is a nazi sympathizer, too!
So I retract everything I wrote. You are completely right, and I won't be bringing this up again. Next time, when a man with a black beard drives a truck into a crowd, and shouts Allau Ackbar, it however has probably nothing to do with Islam. After all, that's just a normal religion, and perhaps he did it because he had a bad day. He probably shouted the words in an ironical fashion. My views on Sarah Nyberg were also transformed by this. After all, Nyberg writes it was just good edgelord fun. Since, you are not a total hypocrite, I think you'll agree with me.
Now you're just being deliberately stupid. You're comparing your guilt by association and taking clear trolling as "dog whistle" policies to open and explicit declarations of intent. For the record as far as we know Nyberg might have been trolling, too, there's no evidence she violated any law, even though she didn't write any "dog whistle" but openly and explicitly advocated for sex with children.

Find me one instance of Sargon or Dave or Kraut and Tea openly and explicitly advocating for nazi policies (not just for regulating immigration). Then this post will make some sense.

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It's a bit long - and the feline conceit is more than a wee bit naff - but this recent Creationist Cat vid seems somewhat apropos all things considered:

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I think the problem would be solved it the youtubers (et al) involved started identifying themselves as the 'free speech community' rather than the 'skeptic community'.

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Guest_b6549f4d wrote:Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed under the threat of a 50million Euro fine, thereby preventing me who is not German or under German jurisdiction from seeing it?

Criminal libel, fuck that noise.

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It's expanding German law, and thus concerns German Facebook. There is no 50million fine for you. The fine is proposed to affect the social media companies if they fail to moderate their service. Except for the fines, the rules on the Slymepit are actually more extreme. The fascist tit will not only only delete illegal content, but also might ban you (including for doxing, which is not really illegal). But Kirbmarc and Service Dog and others willingly submit themselves under such blatant dictatorship without saying a peep. They must be really oppressed by this. I shall make a YouTube video about it, warning the world about this.

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MarcusAu wrote:It's a bit long - and the feline conceit is more than a wee bit naff - but this recent Creationist Cat vid seems somewhat apropos all things considered:

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I think the problem would be solved it the youtubers (et al) involved started identifying themselves as the 'free speech community' rather than the 'skeptic community'.
Creationist cat is an idiot but boy is he really funny sometime. But to my knowledge, none of those we see in the video start screen are part of the skeptic community. Well, maybe Sargon, that one is arguable. I have not watch the video but it smell like a strawman from the get go.

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Sweet when you can bonk both PZ and Dicky Carrier on the head with one stone:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami ... 3249828480


My Bayes calculation gives this comment a .0136785 chance of lasting the afternoon.

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Forgot to mention i have no idea who the 666 guy is. Maybe he is part of the skeptic community.

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Aneris wrote:
Guest_b6549f4d wrote:Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed under the threat of a 50million Euro fine, thereby preventing me who is not German or under German jurisdiction from seeing it?

Criminal libel, fuck that noise.

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It's expanding German law, and thus concerns German Facebook. There is no 50million fine for you. The fine is proposed to affect the social media companies if they fail to moderate their service. Except for the fines, the rules on the Slymepit are actually more extreme. The fascist tit will not only only delete illegal content, but also might ban you (including for doxing, which is not really illegal). But Kirbmarc and Service Dog and others willingly submit themselves under such blatant dictatorship without saying a peep. They must be really oppressed by this. I shall make a YouTube video about it, warning the world about this.
Service Dog just posted here the same image that allegedly got the Reichsburger in trouble, and which might be illegal under German laws. Has the fascist tit banned Service Dog and deleted his post?

"Illegal content" depends on which laws you're following. In Saudi Arabia, for example, much of what is written on the Slymepit is "illegal content". In Germany holocaust denial are reposting memes about the Third Reich might be "illegal content". By itself "illegal content" doesn't mean anything.

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Kirbmarc wrote:Find me one instance of Sargon or Dave or Kraut and Tea openly and explicitly advocating for nazi policies (not just for regulating immigration). Then this post will make some sense.
You let yourself go a little bit. That makes it way too easy. I mean how can one say that a picture of a woman with a nazi salute doing nude aerobic, two nazi historical flags, a Reichsbürger concerned citizen on their stream, someone with racial purity views JonTron, frequent references to Alex Jones a talk alternative media host, endorsement and defending of Trump the president really have anything to do with the Alt Right. That's just just conjecture. I think what is really needed is them not only endorsing Nazi policies on camera during an indepdently produced live show, but doing it whilst making a handstand with the dicks out for harambe, reciting passages from Mein Kampf. Without that, how can you really say there is anyhting to the Alt Right allegations.

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DJ Grothe has been professionally quiet since Sept 2014 when JREF went pffft.

Pity. His CFI POI was the golden age of thinking atheism.

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shoutinghorse wrote:
ERV wrote: I'd love to know the name of the shelter that turned her down. I'd give them a donation and kudos for doing the right thing.

I'd also love to know the name of the shelter that gave him to her. I'm assuming it's the one she 'volunteered' at, and I'm assuming Paramore hooked her up. One of you with Twitters can ask Ashley how she feels about dogs being adopted into inappropriate homes to momentarily satiate a narcissists need for attention on social media.
She didn't get the puppy from a shelter, she says she found him on a CragsList ad ...
*headdesk*

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To be clear, I was aware that the 50million Euro fine would be levied against the company not the individual. I'm glad that the law is so specific though and that there is no chance at all of it being used to get things that were not posted in Germany taken down on the basis that Germans might see or comment illegally on them.

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Aneris wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Find me one instance of Sargon or Dave or Kraut and Tea openly and explicitly advocating for nazi policies (not just for regulating immigration). Then this post will make some sense.
You let yourself go a little bit. That makes it way too easy. I mean how can one say that a picture of a woman with a nazi salute doing nude aerobic, two nazi historical flags, a Reichsbürger concerned citizen on their stream, someone with racial purity views JonTron, frequent references to Alex Jones a talk alternative media host, endorsement and defending of Trump the president really have anything to do with the Alt Right. That's just just conjecture. I think what is really needed is them not only endorsing Nazi policies on camera during an indepdently produced live show, but doing it whilst making a handstand with the dicks out for harambe, reciting passages from Mein Kampf. Without that, how can you really say there is anyhting to the Alt Right allegations.
The woman doing the nazi salute is the Reichsburgers' fault, just like the nazi flags. What you're insinuating is that Sargon and the other livestream participants, not the Reichsburger, not JonTron, not even Alex Jones are nazi sympathizers, through guilt by association (and by pretending that Trump is a nazi, and that trolling is nazi dog whistling). You're muddying the waters between a defense of freedom of speech for someone who's probably a nazi in hiding and being a secret nazi, which as I've written many times, also would mean that Noam Chomsky is a holocaust denier (freethoughtpolice will probably agree :lol: ).

As I've already written I don't think Sargon&co are leftists anymore, despite Sargon's claim that he wants to reform the left. They're sympathetic to the nationalist/populist right (like Trump), to the ideas of reducing and regulating immigration and decreasing the power of international organizations (like the EU) in favor of national powers (just like 52% of voters in the UK, including many Labor supporters, all nazi sympathizers I guess). They're not far right, though. You seem to believe that there's nothing between the left and the far right. Hell, I remember when you repeatedly called the SJW "far right authoritarians" ( :lol: ).

One of my best friends is a Stalinist. Not a wishy-washy liberal, a pinko or a watered-down commie. a hardline "Stalin did nothing wrong" type. Of course, as someone who's in touch with reality, I don't agree with his ideas one bit. Hell, I'm not even a communist, even though I'm left-wing (but not the True Left, since I sympathize with known white supremacist sympathizer Bernie Sanders). This hasn't stopped me from jokingly calling him and myself "comrades". And I'd defend his right to freedom of speech, just like I defended Professor Happy White Genocide's right of saying stupid stuff (this is another field where I strongly disagreed with the Nazi Enemy Number One, Sargon).

Obviously this means I'm a stalinist, too! To the gulags with all of you!

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pro-boxing-fan wrote:Forgot to mention i have no idea who the 666 guy is. Maybe he is part of the skeptic community.
Mark Dice

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You've probably seen several of his 'man in the street' style video's mocking the loony left - but his day job seems to be writing satanic conspiracy theory type books.

...anyway we are not arguing - I've seen nothing to disagree with so far.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
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Guest_b6549f4d wrote:Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed under the threat of a 50million Euro fine, thereby preventing me who is not German or under German jurisdiction from seeing it?

Criminal libel, fuck that noise.

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It's expanding German law, and thus concerns German Facebook. There is no 50million fine for you. The fine is proposed to affect the social media companies if they fail to moderate their service. Except for the fines, the rules on the Slymepit are actually more extreme. The fascist tit will not only only delete illegal content, but also might ban you (including for doxing, which is not really illegal). But Kirbmarc and Service Dog and others willingly submit themselves under such blatant dictatorship without saying a peep. They must be really oppressed by this. I shall make a YouTube video about it, warning the world about this.
Service Dog just posted here the same image that allegedly got the Reichsburger in trouble, and which might be illegal under German laws. Has the fascist tit banned Service Dog and deleted his post?

"Illegal content" depends on which laws you're following. In Saudi Arabia, for example, much of what is written on the Slymepit is "illegal content". In Germany holocaust denial are reposting memes about the Third Reich might be "illegal content". By itself "illegal content" doesn't mean anything.
I'm just guessing, but could it be that the laws of Germany don't affect Service Dog who lives in the US? Pure speculation on my part. Let me entertain another idea. Maybe the laws that count in the US are already being applied to a forum that is operated from the US, like the Slymepit. It's a horrible thought that somebody would actually want to apply laws to a forum, but here we go. I guess we all have the suffer in silence. So, in other words, there are laws and they are being applied to the online space by the respective operators and in both cases they curb freedom of speech in various ways. #FreeEucliwoo #UnbanNeckers

Okay, this was fun, but when is Kirbmarc coming back home. I'd rather discuss with him.

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Sorry, I was wrong Aneris, you didn't call the SJWs "far right-authoritarians", merely Right Wing Authoritarians:
Aneris wrote:At present, you can't do anything against that directly. Social Justice Warriors themselves have a different model of reality in mind, which is structured by these things (e.g. conceptual metaphors) and in addition, they are Right Wing Authoritarians. At the beginning of the video of Thunderf00t's video that is exposing the Laughing Witch, they spell it out. Thunderf00t is the enemy because he's opposing the “Good People” who are doing their great “fighting the good fight”. Therefore he must be from the enemy “Evil People” team. Same logic, a few years earlier: Stef McGraw doesn't totally agree with Rebecca Watson on minor issues surrounding double entendrés in lifts, therefore she's one who would “laugh down rape victims” as well. Another thing that is right wing authoritarian style is the method: the media flak, which this Hannibal bloke promotes openly (writing letter campaign, calling in to employers, newspapers)
Now, if I would take you out of context here I could argue you were a lunatic who thought that leftists like the social justice warriors are actually right-wing. Of course, not being someone who judges others by taking things out of context, I could actually bother to understand that you were only using the psychological profile of right-wing authoritarians to analyze the behavior of identitarian left-wing authoritarians, not claiming that the SJWs were actually right-wing.

But where's the fun in that? I must surely argue that you sincerely believe that the SJWs are right wing. There's no other possible interpretation! Nuance? Context? Actually addressing what you actually believe? Naah. That's stupid, much better trying to find other dog whistles that you're secretly a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Social Justice Warriors are a nefarious right-wing plot...

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Brive1987 wrote:DJ Grothe has been professionally quiet since Sept 2014 when JREF went pffft.

Pity. His CFI POI was the golden age of thinking atheism.
I completely agree with you. He did a really good job with that - I listened to every Point of Inquiry podcast he hosted. After he left it became a political show. I quit listening shortly after - have they ever addressed SJW's?

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Aneris wrote:I'm just guessing, but could it be that the laws of Germany don't affect Service Dog who lives in the US? Pure speculation on my part. Let me entertain another idea. Maybe the laws that count in the US are already being applied to a forum that is operated from the US, like the Slymepit. It's a horrible thought that somebody would actually want to apply laws to a forum, but here we go. I guess we all have the suffer in silence. So, in other words, there are laws and they are being applied to the online space by the respective operators and in both cases they curb freedom of speech in various ways. #FreeEucliwoo #UnbanNeckers

Okay, this was fun, but when is Kirbmarc coming back home. I'd rather discuss with him.
So are you saying that the laws in the US are different from those in Germany, and so your own parallel between the Slymepit and German facebook is completely pointless? I'm shocked, shocked!

The problem isn't to "apply laws" it's which laws are applied. Otherwise if all laws are equal why don't we apply Saudi Arabia blasphemy laws to the forum'?

The point you're missing (deliberately so) is that I (along with others, including people who really aren't neo-nazis like old Noam C.) think German laws are too restrictive, a violation of Enlightenment principles, and actually counterproductive since they turn morons and people with terrible ideas into victims of legal persecution for victimless crimes. But since I'm not a German I probably can't understand: only bad people criticize German laws, everything is fine with suppressing speech if it's holocaust denial or pictures of nude women doing the nazi salute, those things are harmful Nazi Gaze (just like Male Gaze) and so simply by existing they corrupt the fragile minds of German children.

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MarcusAu wrote:
pro-boxing-fan wrote:Forgot to mention i have no idea who the 666 guy is. Maybe he is part of the skeptic community.
Mark Dice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dice

You've probably seen several of his 'man in the street' style video's mocking the loony left - but his day job seems to be writing satanic conspiracy theory type books.

...anyway we are not arguing - I've seen nothing to disagree with so far.
Holy shit! That guy is a complete loon. A solid 8 or 9 on the David Icke scale.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Aneris wrote:Nah. Here's another tweet, from two days ago.

[.img]https://i.imgur.com/DVsotrv.jpg[/img]

Here's Dave Rubin on Alex Jones's show, from about a month ago. That's great timing, isn't it? It just happens that Alex Jones is now hip in that corner, shortly after Trump is also in office. Deny it as you wish. Some time ago, atheists and skeptics would have never endorsed such people, who are company of conspiracy theorist, creationists and science denialists (who also conveniently belong into the Trump administration). This has clearly changed.

Follow the tweet above, and you see that the context is also defending Trump again. Alex Jones is of course also a Trump fan, awkwardly all pointing in the same direction. Playing the uberskeptic in this manner, but jumping on every SJW fad tells me more than I want to know.
This is reaching. Sargon isn't Dave Rubin, they're not one and the same, and Sargon never "endorsed" Alex Jones anymore than I "endorsed" Paul Joseph Watson when I wrote that his video on how Sarah Silverman's crazy ramblings about imaginary swastikas and other over-reactions to Trump were hurting legitimate critics of Trump was surprisingly sensible for a guy who believes in "chemtrails".
Yea. Tho the times, they be a-changin':

However, to comment on the on-going battle between, primarily, Service Dog and Aneris, while I think Aneris is making a few reasonable points, I'd agree with you that she is "reaching" if she thinks Rubin is "endorsing" Jones, that Jones is now "hip" in Rubin's "tribe". Kind of doubt that she listened to much if any of that podcast - if she had done so I expect she might well have agreed with SOME of what both were saying.

Don't see that much progress is possible if we're not able to at least listen to what other people are saying, and try to find some common ground. Going to be exceptions to the rule of course, that some are clearly beyond the Pale. But not likely to change anyone's opinion without trying to understand where they're coming from.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Was Sargon being serious there? If so, he's even dumber than I thought.
Please explain what's so dumb about it?

Isn't the Spirit Cooking ritual indistinguishable from some nutty cult-ritual thing Alex Jones would claim the political power elite does?

http://i.imgur.com/koFRPaK.png

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Kirbmarc wrote:Sorry, I was wrong Aneris, you didn't call the SJWs "far right-authoritarians", merely Right Wing Authoritarians:
Aneris wrote:At present, you can't do anything against that directly. Social Justice Warriors themselves have a different model of reality in mind, which is structured by these things (e.g. conceptual metaphors) and in addition, they are Right Wing Authoritarians. At the beginning of the video of Thunderf00t's video that is exposing the Laughing Witch, they spell it out. Thunderf00t is the enemy because he's opposing the “Good People” who are doing their great “fighting the good fight”. Therefore he must be from the enemy “Evil People” team. Same logic, a few years earlier: Stef McGraw doesn't totally agree with Rebecca Watson on minor issues surrounding double entendrés in lifts, therefore she's one who would “laugh down rape victims” as well. Another thing that is right wing authoritarian style is the method: the media flak, which this Hannibal bloke promotes openly (writing letter campaign, calling in to employers, newspapers)
Now, if I would take you out of context here I could argue you were a lunatic who thought that leftists like the social justice warriors are actually right-wing. Of course, not being someone who judges others by taking things out of context, I could actually bother to understand that you were only using the psychological profile of right-wing authoritarians to analyze the behavior of identitarian left-wing authoritarians, not claiming that the SJWs were actually right-wing.

But where's the fun in that? I must surely argue that you sincerely believe that the SJWs are right wing. There's no other possible interpretation! Nuance? Context? Actually addressing what you actually believe? Naah. That's stupid, much better trying to find other dog whistles that you're secretly a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Social Justice Warriors are a nefarious right-wing plot...
I pointed out a few times that I consider my sorting them to the right as eccentric, and arguable. In addition, identarianism, the term we use for the SJWs is linked to the identitarian movement, which is a form of alternative right wing. Read about it, and you recognize the Alt Right in it. I'm not the first to note the similarity between the ALT Right and the CTRL Left. Key elements of the identitarian movement are PEGIDA style anti-Islamism, and nationalistic ethnic purity. This happens to match with what JonTron said, is in generally in line with the Brexit and UKIP movement and surprise surprise, happens to be in the general direction where you find Sargon and the likes. Anyway, I'm done with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

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Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.

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Service Dog wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Was Sargon being serious there? If so, he's even dumber than I thought.
Please explain what's so dumb about it?

Isn't the Spirit Cooking ritual indistinguishable from some nutty cult-ritual thing Alex Jones would claim the political power elite does?

http://i.imgur.com/koFRPaK.png
Spirit Cooking is nutty as hell but it's not a cult, just dumb performance art done to shock (like the Piss Christ). Alex Jones claims that the political power elites are part of weird cults where they make sacrifices to Satan for the New World Order (Bohemian Grove). Instead they go to see shitty performance art. There's a huge difference.

Anyway Sargon was clearly trolling there, mocking PizzaGate. (hence "evidence"). Incidentally Sargon openly mocked the "weirdly phrased emalis" part of PizzaGate, along with the "secret pedophile codes".

He's given some other collateral allegations of PizzaGate (connections between a man accused of child trafficking and people who worked for the Clinton foundation) way too much credit: he never claimed he had evidence that even those allegations were real but he took them way too seriously and made a video where he used the pictures of an insane woman which allegedly depict child sexual abuse along with true cases of child sexual abuse/child pornography among famous/powerful people.

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Post modernism, crit race theory, gender studies, identity politics, ... I've seen this before.
There are four lights.

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Aneris wrote:I pointed out a few times that I consider my sorting them to the right as eccentric, and arguable. In addition, identarianism, the term we use for the SJWs is linked to the identitarian movement, which is a form of alternative right wing. Read about it, and you recognize the Alt Right in it. I'm not the first to note the similarity between the ALT Right and the CTRL Left. Key elements of the identitarian movement are PEGIDA style anti-Islamism, and nationalistic ethnic purity. This happens to match with what JonTron said, is in generally in line with the Brexit and UKIP movement and surprise surprise, happens to be in the general direction where you find Sargon and the likes. Anyway, I'm done with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement
Sargon has never endorsed "ethnic purity". He's explicitly anti-racial discrimination and concerned with limiting immigration to all workers which do not bring value to the general public of the nation they immigrate to, regardless of their ethnicity. I disagree with him about his definition of "bringing value" (he bases his metric on conservative/right-libertarian principles) but I agree with the general principle of integration to the nation you live in to be mandatory to stay/receive citizenship.

But sure, let's smear him as a supporter of the ethno-state, what's wrong with smearing.

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Service Dog wrote:
Please explain what's so dumb about it?

Isn't the Spirit Cooking ritual indistinguishable from some nutty cult-ritual thing Alex Jones would claim the political power elite does?
That isn't the tweet I was commenting on. Sargon said "Wikileaks is proving Alex Jones is right".
Considering the ridiculous stuff about Pizzagate and the completely ludicrous things Alex Jones has said regarding the leaked emails anybody that gives Alex Jones a fairly broad endorsement like that is in my opinion an idiot.

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KiwiInOz wrote:Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.
Aneris' position (correct me if I'm wrong Aneris): Sargon and many other youtubers are nazi/nazi sympathizers. Evidence: they discussed German laws on speech with a Reichsburger (nutty likely neo-nazi in hiding) and defended this person's freedom of speech, plus they're not criticising or even defending Trump and are using memes which look like nazism. Oh, and Sargon is a friend of JonTron, who said some stuff about an ethno-state, so of course he agree with him, even if he doesn't.

My position: that's guilt by association and misunderstandings. Sargon&Co have left the Left but aren't neo-nazis or neo-nazi sympathizers.

Service Dog's position (correct me if I'm wrong Service Dog): Aneris is using guilt by association and deliberate equivocations to portray people qith ideas Aneris doesn't like as neo-nazis/nazi sympathizers.

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KiwiInOz wrote:Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.
:-) Yea, of both the figurative and literal kind. My eyes kind of glazed over too, but seems to be related to issues of censorship on social media in Germany; you might be interested in this summary or overview in a Gatestone Institute post:
Europe's Out-of-Control Censorship

Germany has formally announced its draconian push towards censorship of social media. On March 14, Germany's Justice Minister Heiko Maas announced the plan to formalize into law the "code of conduct", which Germany pressed upon Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in late 2015, and which included a pledge to delete "hate speech" from their websites within 24 hours.

"This [draft law] sets out binding standards for the way operators of social networks deal with complaints and obliges them to delete criminal content," Justice Minister Heiko Maas said in a statement announcing the planned legislation.

"Criminal" content? Statements that are deemed illegal under German law are now being conflated with statements that are merely deemed, subjectively and on the basis of entirely random complaints from social media users -- who are free to abuse the code of conduct to their heart's content -- to be "hate speech". "Hate speech" has included critiques of Chancellor Angela Merkel's migration policies. ....
Might be a bit inaccurate but raises the question of just how one might define "hate speech" as the term seems pretty subjective. If current interpretions were to be applied to Islam, I would think they would be sufficient to justify banning the "religion" and the closing all of the mosques & madrasas in Germany (at least: Mecca, etc ...)

But to kill the proverbial two birds with one stone, y'all might check out a recent post on the topic over at Quillette: Islam Has Become Toxic in the West (some may wish to try posting a link thereto on German Facebook). But, yea, no kidding, although it is hardly less so any place else in the world ....

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Service Dog wrote:
Please explain what's so dumb about it?

Isn't the Spirit Cooking ritual indistinguishable from some nutty cult-ritual thing Alex Jones would claim the political power elite does?
That isn't the tweet I was commenting on. Sargon said "Wikileaks is proving Alex Jones is right".
Considering the ridiculous stuff about Pizzagate and the completely ludicrous things Alex Jones has said regarding the leaked emails anybody that gives Alex Jones a fairly broad endorsement like that is in my opinion an idiot.
I believe that Sargon was only talking about the "Spirit Cooking" things in that tweet. Again, the "Spirit Cooking" thing doesn't prove Jones right, not even remotely, since Jones' narrative about cults was very different, but it surely looks like something you wouldn't believe if anyone told you was real, and shares some superficial similarities to Jones' conspiracy theories. The #BuyMyWaterFilters tag suggests it's a bit of a tongue in cheek tweet.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:That isn't the tweet I was commenting on. Sargon said "Wikileaks is proving Alex Jones is right".
Considering the ridiculous stuff about Pizzagate and the completely ludicrous things Alex Jones has said regarding the leaked emails anybody that gives Alex Jones a fairly broad
endorsement
like that is in my opinion an idiot.
Since when a shit post making fun of wikileaks allegedly corroborating one of Alex Jones "fact" is endorsement. #BuyMyWaterFilters #WhatATimeToBeAlive

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Kirbmarc wrote:
pro-boxing-fan wrote:You'll never convince me someone is right wing when that person overwhelmingly agree with things such as single payer healthcare, social safety net, gay rights, emancipation of women (not necessarily modern feminism), pro choice, wealth distribution, state secularism, non-interventionism foreign policy etc.

You can support all those things and still be considered conservative, at least economically, but def not right wing.
Isn't "conservative" synonym with "right wing"? Nothing wrong with being in favor of all those things and a right-wing libertarian.

At least in the U.S. since Reagan ( definitely since the Clinton administration and the rise of conservative talk radio) they were for the most part. Now there seems to a change in the wind. ( it's been coming for a while)

I think we'll see a little re-shuffling of alliances.

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pro-boxing-fan wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:That isn't the tweet I was commenting on. Sargon said "Wikileaks is proving Alex Jones is right".
Considering the ridiculous stuff about Pizzagate and the completely ludicrous things Alex Jones has said regarding the leaked emails anybody that gives Alex Jones a fairly broad
endorsement
like that is in my opinion an idiot.
Since when a shit post making fun of wikileaks allegedly corroborating one of Alex Jones "fact" is endorsement. #BuyMyWaterFilters #WhatATimeToBeAlive
My original comment was:
Was Sargon being serious there? If so, he's even dumber than I thought.
I should have said in my last post " if anybody gives Alex Jones a broad endorsement and is not joking".

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Aneris wrote:
Guest_b6549f4d wrote:Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed under the threat of a 50million Euro fine, thereby preventing me who is not German or under German jurisdiction from seeing it?

Criminal libel, fuck that noise.

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It's expanding German law, and thus concerns German Facebook. There is no 50million fine for you. The fine is proposed to affect the social media companies if they fail to moderate their service. Except for the fines, the rules on the Slymepit are actually more extreme....
Aneris's reply fails to mention that proposed law requires Social Media Platforms 'operating in Germany', such as Facebook... and perhaps the SlymePit?... to designate a representative in Germany. That person is personally liable for Five Million Euro fines, in addition to the Fifty Million fine to the company, for non-compliance with censoring content within 24-hours, failure to comply with reporting quarterly to the state on all hatespeech-under-german-law which occurs on the platform.

A previous example of germany blocking internet content outside germany from being seen in germany was the german blockade against YouTube, from 2009 to 2015:
study sponsored by the video hosting website MyVideo estimated that 61.5% of the 1000 most viewed YouTube clips are blocked in Germany. This is significantly higher than, for example, in the United States (0.9%) or in Switzerland (>1%).[9]

Another study found that around 3% of all YouTube videos, and 10% of those videos with over a million views, are blocked in Germany.[10]
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By the way this is the video by Paul Joseph Watson which I called "shockingly reasonable for a guy who believes in chemtrails" (except for the story about the German woman who thought that the protesters, not Trump, reminded her of the Nazis, which I said needed double checking):

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The basic gist of the video is: Sarah Silverman mistook construction signs for swastikas, and wasn't joking about it (true) Watson makes fun of her paranoia (well, Silverman deserved some light ribbing, she got the same treatment on the 'Pit) Watson reports on some other people mistaking objects and people for KKK hoods/members (true) Watson reports on Piers Morgan being attacked for saying that Donald Trump isn't Hitler (true) Watson reports on a woman born in Nazi Germany who thinks rioters, not Trump, remind her of Hitler (needs checking) Watson argues that the hysteria about swastikas and KKK hoods is actually helping Donald Trump by sidelining and discrediting genuine criticism of Trump (a reasonable conclusion to make, whether you like Trump or not).

Now I found myself shocked since the video was reasonable enough, especially since it came from a known nutty entity like InfoWars. Did I "endorse" InfoWars just like Sargon simply by saying "uhu, they've made a reasonable video for a change"?

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Here's a repost of the links I provided on April 2. Note the red section on "Fines" and "Authorized Representative".
Service Dog wrote:
Aneris wrote: these people have made themselves a name as conspiracy loons and fake news peddlers
You're making a name for yourself, Aneris.

Germany wants to regulate a 24-hour livestream as a broadcaster
-Running a non-stop Twitch channel could be expensive.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/25/ger ... vestreams/

Germany warns Facebook and Twitter: Regulate fake news or pay
The German government is proposing new legislation that would fine social media platforms up to $53 million for failing to regulate and delete "criminal" content.
https://www.cnet.com/news/germany-warns ... or-pay-up/

NYTimes: Facebook and Twitter Could Face Fines in Germany Over Hate Speech Posts
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/t ... or-pay-up/

Social media sites face heavy hate speech fines under German proposal
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... s-facebook

Bekämpfung von Hasskriminalität und strafbaren Falschnachrichten – Bessere Rechtsdurchsetzung in sozialen Netzwerken
http://www.bmjv.de/SharedDocs/Artikel/D ... werke.html

Report obligation

The operators of social networks are obliged to report quarterly on the handling of complaints about the content relevant to criminal law. The report shall include, inter alia, information on the volume of complaints and the decision-making practices of the networks, as well as the staffing and competence of the work units responsible for handling the complaints. The reports must be accessible to everyone on the Internet.

Fines

Operators of social networks, which do not create an effective complaint management at all or not correctly - particularly because they do not delete criminal contents, not completely or not in time - commit an administrative offense. This can be punished with a fine of up to five million euros against a person responsible for the appeal. The fine itself can be up to 50 million euros.

A fine may also be imposed if the social network does not comply fully with its reporting obligation.

Preliminary ruling procedure

According to § 10 of the Telemediengesetz, a service provider is obligated to immediately delete an unlawful content as soon as he becomes aware of this. This means that a service provider must first decide whether a reported content is unlawful.
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Authorized representative

Social networks are committed to better enforcement, irrespective of their place of residence, to appoint a responsible contact person in Germany for service in criminal proceedings and civil proceedings.



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PRESS RELEASE 14 MARCH 2017
Deletion of criminal hate commentaries by social networks still insufficient

Social networks still delete too little criminal content, which is reported to them by users. This can be seen in a monitoring conducted by Jugendschutz.net, the transnational competence center for youth protection on the Internet, in January and February.

This monitoring is supported by the Federal Ministry of the Interior and the Federal Ministry of Justice and Consumer Protection. It is the second test of this kind, which examines how fast the platforms respond to complaints and whether they delete the reported posts. A first test took place in July and August 2016.

The current survey shows that Facebook deletes or blocks 39 % of the criminal content reported by users. This is 7 percentage points less than the first test. Only 33 % were deleted within 24 hours of the complaint. In Twitter , only one of a hundred user messages was still being erased. In no case did the deletion take place within 24 hours. Compared to the first test significantly improved YouTube . Here, the rate of deletion of users reported by the user is 90 % . At 82 % , the deletion occurred 24 hours after the notification.

"There can be just as little space in the social networks as on the street for criminal muttering and slander. Facebook and Twitter have not used the opportunity to improve their deletion practices. Too few punishable comments are deleted. And they are not erased quickly enough. The biggest problem is that the networks do not take the complaints of their own users seriously enough. Google shows with the platform Youtube that it is better . Therefore, it is now clear that we must further increase the pressure on social networks. We need legal regulations to make companies even more obligated to eradicate criminal offenses. "
Federal Justice and Consumer Protection Minister Heiko Maas

http://www.bmjv.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit ... nn=6704238


Being charitable to Aneris, access to these search results may be blocked in Germany, or the German news media may not be reporting the story, for fear of fines & criminal hatespeech prosecution. ;-p

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Service Dog wrote:Aneris's reply fails to mention that proposed law requires Social Media Platforms 'operating in Germany', such as Facebook... and perhaps the SlymePit?... to designate a representative in Germany. That person is personally liable for Five Million Euro fines, in addition to the Fifty Million fine to the company, for non-compliance with censoring content within 24-hours, failure to comply with reporting quarterly to the state on all hatespeech-under-german-law which occurs on the platform.
I really don't think a forum qualifies as a social media platform.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
That isn't the tweet I was commenting on.
Sorry. I did not intend to misrepresent your comment. I offered that tweet as a book-end, showing the limit of how-far Sargon agreed with Alex Jones.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Service Dog wrote:Aneris's reply fails to mention that proposed law requires Social Media Platforms 'operating in Germany', such as Facebook... and perhaps the SlymePit?... to designate a representative in Germany. That person is personally liable for Five Million Euro fines, in addition to the Fifty Million fine to the company, for non-compliance with censoring content within 24-hours, failure to comply with reporting quarterly to the state on all hatespeech-under-german-law which occurs on the platform.
I really don't think a forum qualifies as a social media platform.
Maybe we're a radio station.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.
Aneris' position (correct me if I'm wrong Aneris): Sargon and many other youtubers are nazi/nazi sympathizers. Evidence: they discussed German laws on speech with a Reichsburger (nutty likely neo-nazi in hiding) and defended this person's freedom of speech, plus they're not criticising or even defending Trump and are using memes which look like nazism. Oh, and Sargon is a friend of JonTron, who said some stuff about an ethno-state, so of course he agree with him, even if he doesn't.

My position: that's guilt by association and misunderstandings. Sargon&Co have left the Left but aren't neo-nazis or neo-nazi sympathizers.

Service Dog's position (correct me if I'm wrong Service Dog): Aneris is using guilt by association and deliberate equivocations to portray people qith ideas Aneris doesn't like as neo-nazis/nazi sympathizers.
Ah. I see. Thanks.

So, Sargon et al have become disenchanted with the rhetoric/positioning of the "Left" and are looking at other political ideas. Sounds mature and, dare I say, Pit-like.

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KiwiInOz wrote:Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.
You're not alone, Kudos for Dog & K'marc for humouring him but I'm afraid I got lost awhile back, somewhere around Sargon, Aryan tits, Paul Joseph Watson's chemtrails and gay frogs with Nazi Kekistani flags I think. :whistle:

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Necv20 wasn't banned. Jim Horsebuggerer was not Wonderized. Eucliwoo WAS banned. Wonderbore WAS Wonderized. Apart from that, we had a kiddie-porn poster banned, plus Mabus (in many guises), SomeDumbGuy early on when he really seemed unhinged and wanted marcotte raped in a ditch. And that, I think, is it, apart for some random spammers.

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KiwiInOz wrote:Can someone please give me the Cliff Notes version of the Aneris vs Service Dog (ft, Kirbmarc) debate?. My eyes have glazed over more thickly than the best balsamic salad glaze, and my scrolling finger has retired hurt from the field of play. The best that I can work out is that it is something to do with Aryan tits.
I baited Aneris by linking to 2 Sargon&pals livestreams, criticizing Germany's censorship laws. Such-as a new proposal to fine Facebook & Twitter 50 Million Euros, if they dont remove nazi titpix within 24-hours of a user complaint.

And such-as a ruling that 24-hour social media livestreams must obtain expensive 'radio station' licenses.

One Sargon&pals livestream was an interview with a loony dude who posted nazi titpix on Facebook. His home was raided & computers seized. The only clear evidence he's a nazi is the titpic he posted. But he admits to being a Reichsburger, which is someone who wants Germany to return to pre-WWI govt-- having an Emperor. His movement is about as accepted as-if he claimed to be the Kaiser, reincarnated.

Aneris triggered me by calling everything I posted alt-right Trump-supporter Fake News, MRA propaganda, and American stoopidity.

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