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Billie from Ockham wrote:Where it can get real fun is when people start arguing that male IQ is not normally distributed, but is actually closer to a t distribution with around 4 degrees of freedom. So not only is variance higher, but the distribution is also a bit platykurtic.
Oh, I like that word. I'm going to have to start using it.

I just looked up the etymology assuming it derives from a Greek world for 'tail' because it sounds like 'platypus' but in both cases it's from 'platus' meaning broad or flat.

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Hunt wrote:My view of tats is like my view on body alteration of any kind. I have a near total aversion to it. I'm the type that would consider not having beneficial elective surgery merely because it might leave a scar.

It's not a slight on anyone who, for some reason totally alien to me, are into them. I can kind of tolerate ones as mild as a little unicorn, or a sun on your back shoulder, or a band on the bicep (kind of hot on women). But tats the size of Watson's are way over the line for me. You can imagine my horror at things like whole body tats, like the ones that end at your hand and so darken the skin you can't see its original color (yes, I'm a tat-ist).

Don't even get me started on nose rings.
Tats are fine on tight skin but when you get older that skin is going to loosen. I don't think Leonardo da Vinci would be half as famous now if he hadn't stretched his canvas and the Mona Lisa sagged in its frame.

Hate earplugs. Might as well get one of those Brazilian lip plates.

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Get off my lawn.

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If this turns out to be true, I think heap big Injun squaw Cainetoad will ragefaint so hard, she'll actually fall out through her own rectum.

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There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png

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Didn't know Emery was a Trump supporter.
shoutinghorse wrote:There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png
The process has begun.

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Service Dog wrote:http://i.imgur.com/9f5dHLMl.png

"Yeah, I'd like something that looks like a hideous bruise now, and will quickly fade into more of a hideous bruise. Can you make it accentuate my poor posture and slumped shoulders and fishbelly complexion? Make sure the words don't scan left to right. Thanks."
It reads right to left. Why. Why would someone design it like that. Why.

Also, it appears Watson is illustrating for us a textbook 'manic episode'.

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ERV wrote:
Also, it appears Watson is illustrating for us a textbook 'manic episode'.
Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?

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katamari Damassi wrote:Need advice from someone smart. Changing phone plan so I have to get a new phone. I'm thinking either LG(replaceable batteries, expandable memory) or Pixel. What should I get?
The unbreakable plastic screen on my Turbo 2 is incredible. Im rough on screens, so that's a big deal for me.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I'm 39.
I'm not old, I'm 37.

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DrokkIt wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:No, France is not falling down.

It's the same shit riots as in 2005, aka Ferguson Beta.

Don't Panic.
I don't believe France is falling, either, but I'm starting to wonder whether the riots (which started over an act of police brutality and degenerated) could help Marine Le Pen to get elected (since she has cast the whole thing as an attack on French police).
Over the weekend I caught up with some friends visiting from France.
Like myself, they are basically cynical lefties feeling a bit lost with the current direction of the world.

Anyway, they are convinced Le Pen is going to win, but did point out that her policy is basically the same as the Sarkozy administration, albeit with more fuss about immigrants.
What I find richly ironic in several ways, is the fact that Le Pen's program is almost in every way socialist, except for the stirring up of nationalist and anti-immigration sentiment.

Which makes it genuinely a form of Fascism.

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shoutinghorse wrote:There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png
From that artist's actual portfolio:

http://www.tattooboogaloo.com/images/de ... stract.jpg

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ERV wrote:
Also, it appears Watson is illustrating for us a textbook 'manic episode'.
Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?
Israel was still interested in getting Eichmann in 1960, even though he was miles away, slumming in Argentina. It is never too late to keep on dishing out justice, and if justice means us laughing at her, then so be it. Like Meyers, she might be less of a name in SJW circles these days, but exposing these creeps for what they are will serve as a warning to others. She has not learnt her lesson, yet.

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Service Dog wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png
From that artist's actual portfolio:

http://www.tattooboogaloo.com/images/de ... stract.jpg
Are you fucking kidding? That's gonna look SO nice in twenty years, I think I might run out and get me one. :twatson:

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Service Dog wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png
From that artist's actual portfolio:

http://www.tattooboogaloo.com/images/de ... stract.jpg
Radiation burns look better

http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/imgContent ... 230002.jpg

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Service Dog wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:There's more to come .. until 'mugfriend' Chris wises up :popcorn:

http://i.imgur.com/0S0qC0D.png
From that artist's actual portfolio:

http://www.tattooboogaloo.com/images/de ... stract.jpg
:shock:

Because nothing completes your look like a tattoo of bruises, melanoma and sharpie squiggles.

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This looks like it has world class potential for trolling.
Take a dish primarily identified with a certain region, race or religion, and then bastardize it. Snap pics & crow about it on social media.

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Shatterface wrote:
Hunt wrote:My view of tats is like my view on body alteration of any kind. I have a near total aversion to it. I'm the type that would consider not having beneficial elective surgery merely because it might leave a scar.

It's not a slight on anyone who, for some reason totally alien to me, are into them. I can kind of tolerate ones as mild as a little unicorn, or a sun on your back shoulder, or a band on the bicep (kind of hot on women). But tats the size of Watson's are way over the line for me. You can imagine my horror at things like whole body tats, like the ones that end at your hand and so darken the skin you can't see its original color (yes, I'm a tat-ist).

Don't even get me started on nose rings.
Tats are fine on tight skin but when you get older that skin is going to loosen. I don't think Leonardo da Vinci would be half as famous now if he hadn't stretched his canvas and the Mona Lisa sagged in its frame.

Hate earplugs. Might as well get one of those Brazilian lip plates.
I figure that the rest of me is going to be just as wrinkly, so what the hell.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:snip

Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?
Who?

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deLurch wrote:This looks like it has world class potential for trolling.
Take a dish primarily identified with a certain region, race or religion, and then bastardize it. Snap pics & crow about it on social media.
I make a version of lamb saag with cubes of beef instead of lamb. We call it "Hindu Nightmare." It's one of the few ways to get the kids to eat green vegetables besides stir-fried chicken and broccoli (which we call "care on pee ha woo moo-ee mah").

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OK. Mr. Yellow Hat's name has been published in the Seattle Times. His name is Marc Hokoana. He is of native Hawaiian descent.

This is a pretty descent article on what happened after he turned himself in.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new ... ords-show/

The article states that he is a former student per his facebook profile. And the police are investigating a potential 1st degree assault charge.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.36.011

Also they say it appears that his phone had gone through a factory reset prior to the police obtaining it. I wonder if he might be potentially facing a destruction of evidence charge.

Of course a factory reset isn't necessarily going to wipe all the data on the phone and make it irretrievable. Phone records & text messages can still be obtained from the phone company. Google could have his search history. And the phone company may have his web traffic history.

Hokoana had a fairly clean internet footprint.

Someone grabbed his photo on twitter. And foolishly added a picture of his mom thinking it was him. I guess all Hawaiians look alike to him. Everything is locked down on his facebook profile now.

I don't know how matters will fair for Marc, but I by far prefer a police investigation to a mob witch hunt.

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Apparently they have his race wrong. PZ has reported he is white.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:snip

Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?
Who?
http://i.imgur.com/G5ul3Zw.png

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And this says a 1st degree assault charge in Washington is
http://www.mywashingtondefenselawyer.co ... s/assault/
This offense is a class A felony seriousness level XII. This means for a first time offender with no criminal record, the potential sentence is 93-123 months in prison and fines of up to $50,000. This is no doubt a very serious offense.
So 8-12 years.

It appears that Washington state may not have minimum sentencing. But they do have standards.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9a.20.021
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.94a.533

Given he was trying to flee and was being held back by several black clad thugs in the video, I don't think the prosecutor will be able to rise above the bar of reasonable doubt. Not to mention the other assaults that had occurred there that evening. And the person he shot had charged over from several yards away at him.

I bet the prosecutor would have to aim for a plea deal for a lower charge.

I wonder how he would do in a jury trial? One the one hand, fleeing from black clad thugs is in his favor for self defense, but Seattle can be a little wonky.

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Im beginning to listen to a 15 episode podcast about Neitzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra, if anyone wants to come along...

http://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=42631571&refid=asa

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That dude looks pretty asian.

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Ape+lust wrote:An atheist bedtime story:

Peez meets Rebecca in 1996, leaves his family. Neither are heard from again. The End.

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I don't know, they seem to have a high Natural Born Killers propensity.

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deLurch wrote:The documentary "Going Clear" was extremely light on the subject and barely scratched the surface. It was great because it had a large audience. It at least gives people a hint that something is wrong. It also showed that production companies can now do this sort of thing and now worry so much.
I recently saw it. For the uninformed, there's been a spate of high-placed defectors from Scientology over the past 10-15 years, who form the talking heads of this documentary. Amongst them are Miscavige's second in command and their head of internal affairs, both of whom must have been involved closely in, and bear partial responsibility for, the harassment and abuse of other members.

But what I seem to have noticed, they are in the documentary because they ran afoul of Miscavige, who appears to be more and more of a megalomaniac psychopath. Yet I don't get the impression they really regret what they did. In other words, if Miscavige forgave them, they would be back in a whiffy.

(I thought I'd seen the full doc on youtube but can't find it now, prolly pulled by HBO)

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I'm 39.
I bet that's what you say to all the girls.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ERV wrote:
Also, it appears Watson is illustrating for us a textbook 'manic episode'.
Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?
No idea what you mean.

Meanwhile it seems her drunk night out hasn't washed off yet.

http://i.imgur.com/a6kn9wk.jpg


Her RL text for this tweet was "my Valentine got me falafel, John Wick 2 tix, and earrings that have a hidden handcuff lockpick in each one"

There is just an edge of hysteria in her desperation now.

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Com and Matt - murder /suicide?

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And the striped doctor?

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I blame Pewdiepie as the current Hitler of the week.

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gurugeorge wrote:Re. the IQ diff between men and wimminz, yes, AFAIK the average IQ is the same, but the shape of the bell-curve distribution is different. Philosopher Helena Cronin typifies it as men having both "more nobels and more dumbells":-

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Excellent video, nicely supported arguments. Of particular interest was the point [at 10:02] about the "greater male variance" which she typified as a "third-rail issue - touch it and you're dead". Of some related interest, a passage from a Quillette post (On the Reality of Race & the Abhorrence of Racism Part II: Human Biodiversity & Its Implications):
To suggest that races might possess slightly different temperamental, cognitive, and other psychological traits, and that some of these differences are partly genetic in origin, is to violate a powerful — perhaps the most powerful — academic taboo. The incendiary nature of the subject seems to flow largely from the fear that discussing biological group differences will foster racial prejudice among the general public. Indeed, people bent on quantifying human worth have erected racial hierarchies, propped them up with pseudo-scientific theories and folk understandings about group differences, and conscripted them into service towards reprehensible ends. History, in places, is a wasteland of tragedy when it comes to the treatment of minority individuals. Yet, the reprehensible treatment of minority groups currently, or in the past, does not constitute empirical evidence that race is a fiction, or that differences in the psychological constitutions across racial groups are purely environmental in origin.
Although, somewhat in passing, I note that Cronin used the more-or-less same pair of distribution curves I had last used where the curves are symmetric but males constituted the same larger percentage at the tails, at both the low and high ends. But rayshul had linked to several curves that Milo had used in his Breitbart article that suggested that, at least for intelligence, that symmetry and relationship wasn't quite so evident. I expect that that is probably the more likely state of affairs with the magnitudes and degree of asymmetry very much dependent on the attribute being measured, with the symmetrical case maybe being the average.

In any case, also of interest was the question-and-answer session where another woman had raised the is-ought dichotomy. While it is maybe appropriate that society allow people to follow their interests and aptitudes - the "is" part of the equation, that may have to be balanced against practicalities: society may find that, at some point, it has enough male engineers and female nurses, for example, and realize there may be some benefit in some "affirmative-action" to increase the number of female engineers and male nurses - the "ought" part. Interesting question in how to balance out or deal with those different perspectives and requirements.

Somewhat apropos of that, a book recommendation of sorts: A Mind for Numbers: How to Excel at Math and Science (Even If You Flunked Algebra) by Barbara Oakley, Ph. D., professor of engineering at Oakland University and a Fellow of the American Institute for Medical and Biological Engineering - in short, one clever woman. A fascinating and, I found, very useful book, and quite a good description and exposition on learning how to learn. But maybe an illustration of or support for the argument that some of the aptitudes and abilities that are more or less unique to women provide a perspective on a typically male dominated field that isn't as readily available or accessible to men.

Interesting and, apparently, quite a useful if somewhat fractious topic.

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gurugeorge wrote: What I find richly ironic in several ways, is the fact that Le Pen's program is almost in every way socialist, except for the stirring up of nationalist and anti-immigration sentiment.

Which makes it genuinely a form of Fascism.
Hilarious, isn't it.

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Page 42.

Didn't someone mention Douglas Adams recently?

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Lots of numbers to crunch in this article about why it is reasonable for countries to choose their immigrants, and why that might mean not choosing muslims. It's nothing to do with terrorism.
http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.ca/2015/ ... ofile.html

Seems to me that Canada has an odd immigration policy; we take the very best of other countries if we need their skills (pretty nearly all physicians in Manitoba are from South Africa), and we take the ones for whom we feel sorry. In recent years the first group have been much more restricted. I came here only because I agreed to work in a post that no Canadian would fill after being advertised for a year, and that was over thirty years ago, but the last cohort of British trained physicians here are now in their 50's and 60's. There are still plenty of young colleagues from the middle east, which presumably means there is either some preference for people from that area, or more likely, the pressure to leave is greater. We do not seem able to produce the correct number of locally trained physicians (given the quality of the nearest medical school, this may be a good thing). On the other hand, the immigrants who get in because we feel some duty to help them out has swollen to occupy nearly all the quota. There is no encouragement to assimilate, and cultural variety is still being celebrated, though we are beginning to see the consequences, with nasty racial tensions, peculiarities such as honour killings, white backlash, and ever more daring assertions of distinctly un-Canadian identities. We might even count the Lockerbie PanAm bomb as being facilitated by the encouragement to keep a cultural identity strong even after arrival.
I'm strongly in favour of immigration, and I don't see why we should not pick and choose who we want to take for the benefit of the country. Trudeau père started the policy of multiculturalism partly to draw the teeth from Quebec's desire to separate, hoping that by both dilution and by example, the Québécois would feel less paranoid about their surrounding anglophone majority. To some extent that worked, but has had its downside. Time to rethink, if only it were possible, but that would take a right-wing nutcase party which would bring all their other baggage we can well do without. Buggered.

Amusing sidenote: on my first visit here 36 years ago, I read a pamphlet given to new arrivals in those days, which bragged that Canada had the world's highest per capita consumption of oil! I doubt that's still true, and if it were it would be a state secret. Times change.

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Brive1987 wrote:
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No idea what you mean.

Meanwhile it seems her drunk night out hasn't washed off yet.

[img.]http://i.imgur.com/a6kn9wk.jpg[/img]


Her RL text for this tweet was "my Valentine got me falafel, John Wick 2 tix, and earrings that have a hidden handcuff lockpick in each one"

There is just an edge of hysteria in her desperation now.

Maybe you should call to verify the details
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DrokkIt wrote:
gurugeorge wrote: What I find richly ironic in several ways, is the fact that Le Pen's program is almost in every way socialist, except for the stirring up of nationalist and anti-immigration sentiment.

Which makes it genuinely a form of Fascism.
Hilarious, isn't it.
Our far-right is more like the US center-left. makes you think, eh?

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screwtape wrote:Lots of numbers to crunch in this article about why it is reasonable for countries to choose their immigrants, and why that might mean not choosing muslims. It's nothing to do with terrorism.
http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.ca/2015/ ... ofile.html

Seems to me that Canada has an odd immigration policy; we take the very best of other countries if we need their skills (pretty nearly all physicians in Manitoba are from South Africa), and we take the ones for whom we feel sorry. In recent years the first group have been much more restricted. I came here only because I agreed to work in a post that no Canadian would fill after being advertised for a year, and that was over thirty years ago, but the last cohort of British trained physicians here are now in their 50's and 60's. There are still plenty of young colleagues from the middle east, which presumably means there is either some preference for people from that area, or more likely, the pressure to leave is greater. We do not seem able to produce the correct number of locally trained physicians (given the quality of the nearest medical school, this may be a good thing). On the other hand, the immigrants who get in because we feel some duty to help them out has swollen to occupy nearly all the quota. There is no encouragement to assimilate, and cultural variety is still being celebrated, though we are beginning to see the consequences, with nasty racial tensions, peculiarities such as honour killings, white backlash, and ever more daring assertions of distinctly un-Canadian identities. We might even count the Lockerbie PanAm bomb as being facilitated by the encouragement to keep a cultural identity strong even after arrival.
I'm strongly in favour of immigration, and I don't see why we should not pick and choose who we want to take for the benefit of the country. Trudeau père started the policy of multiculturalism partly to draw the teeth from Quebec's desire to separate, hoping that by both dilution and by example, the Québécois would feel less paranoid about their surrounding anglophone majority. To some extent that worked, but has had its downside. Time to rethink, if only it were possible, but that would take a right-wing nutcase party which would bring all their other baggage we can well do without. Buggered.

Amusing sidenote: on my first visit here 36 years ago, I read a pamphlet given to new arrivals in those days, which bragged that Canada had the world's highest per capita consumption of oil! I doubt that's still true, and if it were it would be a state secret. Times change.
Immigration is beneficial if you take in people who assimilate, at least to an extent (better yet if they're highly educated professional with a cosmopolitan world view and a good command of the local language). If there's no encouragement to assimilate and no control of the dominant messages in the isolated communities you're setting up a ticking time bomb of social tensions, ghettoization, culture clash and eventually riots, states within the state and in the long run even (not certainly, but not impossibly, either) civil wars.

This is especially true in the case of islam, which is a missionary religion which encourages high rates of reproduction and a takeover of society, but it's also true (to a lesser extent) for other highly isolated cultures. Immigration must be regulated (in a rational way based on individual skills and characteristics, not through blanket bans) but regulating immigration isn't the only priority, assimilation is also required. People who aren't well integrated in the social system of the host country, don't have a good command of the local language and don't have a record of good behavior shouldn't be allowed to become citizens. Becoming citizens of a country isn't a right, you have to earn your citizenship.

There's a link in the article you linked about muslim infiltration of "free schools" in the UK. Education is key to successful integration. Confessional, traditionalist education financed by taxpayer's money shouldn't be tolerated, especially in the case of muslim schools. This is a huge issue.

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This seems about right :doh:

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Spot on:
An opinion essay penned by Manzoor Moghal, a well-known writer and commentator on Islam and Muslim affairs in Britain, argues that Islamic schools that oppose the Western lifestyle are a breeding ground for potential social problems in the future.

The essay, "Veils, Segregated Schools and Why We Risk Sowing the Seeds of Islamic Terror in Britain," states:
Manzoor Moghal wrote:For far too long, the British authorities have turned a blind eye -- out of misguided fear of being seen as racist -- to the creeping prevalence of militant Islam in our midst. We see this same fearful attitude in the official tolerance of informal Sharia courts in Muslim areas of urban Britain. Such tribunals should not be allowed to operate. Muslims do not need separate judicial institutions. Under the great English tradition of justice, we are all meant to be equal before the law, regardless of status, wealth or religion.

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How can people ever integrate if the authorities allow separatist enclaves and customs to take root, as we now see all the time in places like Birmingham, Dewsbury in Yorkshire, or Leicester? ... My great worry is that, if the British authorities continue to allow the Islamic hardliners to have their way in the name of choice when it comes to segregating boys from girls in schools, or Sharia courts, or insisting that women should be allowed to wear veils in all circumstances, then those hardliners will feel they are pushing at an open door.
Moghal sums it up: "We must, sadly, accept that there are people in our midst who want to see a hardline Islamist caliphate in Britain. And while the security and intelligence services are nothing less than heroic in their fight against Islamic extremists, continuing to foil terror plots on a regular basis, our civic institutions have in contrast been far too cowardly in their reluctance to challenge fundamentalism."
Public education based on the shared values of the country and on teaching rational content is key to integration. A religious infiltration of publicly funded schools is a huge concerns, just like the creation of parallel religious institution in a liberal democratic country, which sholud be based on neutral civic and legal institutions based on liberal democratic values.

The authorities of the United Kingdom should be concerned with the creeping islamization of certain areas and institution, and not to be afraid to act on these concerns in an incisive, no-nonsense way, without concerning themselves with the usual Regressive suspect bleating about "racism". The islamization of institutions should be treated like a potential nazification of institutions. Islam should be treated as a religion which has a role in private lives, not in in public civic and legal institutions. Demands of muslim groups in the public institutions should be firmly rejected.

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Another way of looking at immigration - is how much is benefits the country the people are coming from. (Although I cannot blame the South African doctors with the current 'grievance culture' that seems endemic in SA at the moment).

The doctors and engineers flooding in to the first world are precisely the sort of people who make up the middle class in their country of origin (although they may be sending money back).

Most economists seem to think that trade is the way to grow wealth so that the rising tide lifts all boats.

As for (non-economic) refugees - at some point some country will be ruthless enough (Russia seems a likely candidate) to say that unless the ME countries sort their shit out - they will invade and set up a client / buffer state. Or the situation may just default to this as with Turkey or (formerly) Libya controlling access to Europe.

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Helen Pluckrose (a British woman who has a keen insight of the problem with feminism, follow her twitter account) has written a very good article on Areo Magazine on the issues with intersectionality.

This quote is especially good:
Helen Pluckrose wrote:The idea that if one is not an intersectional feminist, one is a misogynist, White supremacist, homophobic, transphobic ableist demands an utter ideological purity that few people can meet or wish to meet. Instead, centrists, moderates and universal liberals of all genders, races, sexualities and abilities continue to oppose discrimination, promote equality and value diversity, independent of intersectionality.
Another great quote by Tom Owolade, a British liberal blogger:
Tom Owolade wrote:“(B)rown people, believe it or not, can be progressives, conservatives, liberals and fascists. The beliefs of black and brown people do not derive from their identity like a linear well. They are human, and as human should be free to believe whatever they want without accusations of treachery. It carries with it the pernicious idea – which I thought was long buried – that individuals shouldn’t be individuals but effectively stereotypes.”
Yup. Intersectionality, with its focus on "oppressed groups", reduces individuals to their group. Intersectionality is actually racism, sexism, sexual orientation bigotry, etc., just like garden-variety racism, sexism, sex orientation bigotry, etc. only with a different scale of groups which are valued as perpetual victims (the "oppressed groups") but whose members are robbed of their individuality and agency, while criticism of bad behavior and bad ideas is stifled if those ideas are considered to be characteristics of the group or simple a reaction to oppression.
Muslim and ex-Muslim liberals encounter the same external restrictions when attempting to critique any aspect of their own religion or culture. When criticising any illiberal aspect of doctrine or culture, including sexism, homophobia, intolerance of apostates or theocratic ideas affecting them or others, they are likely to be labelled “Uncle Toms” “House-Arabs” or “native informants.” Again, the implication is that they are pandering to White non-Muslims and could not possibly have their own views on their own culture or the same moral right to discuss them as White westerners do.
Oh so much. And this is one of the reasons why traditional, reactionary "community leaders" and "thought leaders" are able to take control of the narrative, cast themselves as "moderate" only because they claim to be peaceful and opposed to terrorism (with a dubious degree of reliability) and sneak in their demands for religiously inspired laws and standards as "promotion of cultural differences".

Debate about the flaws of islam is stifled, not only by the left, but also by center-right people like David Cameron or Angela Merkel, in a clumsy attempt to pander to "community leaders" and "thought leaders" who should instead be treated as reactionary bigots.

People like Linda Sarsour or Reza Aslan or Mo Ansar or even Rula Jebreal are one of the biggest obstacles to changes within the muslim communities in the west, because the defend reactionary islam as "moderate", allegedly (and who knows, in some cases, like Jebreal's, even sincerely, even thought I doubt it in the case of people like Sarsour, who openly praise Saudi Arabia) in order to oppose bigotry but in reality allowing for the immunity of islam from rational criticism.

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This is doing the rounds on my social media:

https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/mass-s ... ly-made-up
Prosecutors in Frankfurt are investigating two people for making up a crime, after they claimed in a national newspaper that dozens of Arab men rioted and sexually assaulted women at New Year.
I don't know the specifics, but it's leading to claims thatall the reports of muslim mass sexual assaults are made up.

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Brive1987 wrote:Com and Matt - murder /suicide?
Com is still tweeting, but Matt seems to have disappeared.

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MarcusAu wrote:Page 42.

Didn't someone mention Douglas Adams recently?
I'd've been more worried if someone had mentioned Aleister Crowley at Page 23 :)

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Com and Matt - murder /suicide?
Com is still tweeting, but Matt seems to have disappeared.
Barn Owl must be busy lately too:

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Apparently they have his race wrong. PZ has reported he is white.
I'm sure little Paul will correct shortly, given his tremendous respect for the truth. :bjarte:

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DrokkIt wrote:This is doing the rounds on my social media:

https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/mass-s ... ly-made-up
Prosecutors in Frankfurt are investigating two people for making up a crime, after they claimed in a national newspaper that dozens of Arab men rioted and sexually assaulted women at New Year.
I don't know the specifics, but it's leading to claims thatall the reports of muslim mass sexual assaults are made up.
The Eve situation happened, and it was never disputed. The criticism at the time was that the police was understaffed to deal with the situation and that they were not forthcoming with their information after it happened. But were slow to react a few days later. However, there are indeed tons of Fake News floating about.

A bigger splash made the story of the Russian-German girl “Lisa”. She became famous in Russia as an alleged victim of gang rape by Muslim immigrants, who allegedly kidnapped her and abused her for thirty hours. Her picture, name and story were widely spread to show the decadence, and weakness of Europe, and to have something to wash away real news that might concern the Russians. The girl really exists, but the whole story is fake. Journalists poured into it and found nothing could be verified. Try Google translate here.

Whether you want to accept it or not, bigger actors manipulate the moods for their own interests. Russia seeks to undermine trust in authorities in the West, and divert attention away with sensationalistic stories that outrage the common folk. The motif is often “weakness” of the West, so that their authoritarian strongman is viewed favourably by keeping Russia a nice Safe Space, where everything is right. Freedom costs, and look how terrible it is over there!

The Far Right Wingers are known to be marinated in fake news stories of the kind you see shared by the Gatestone Institute and the likes. If there is a grain of truth, it's hyperbole or commits the Chinese Robber Fallacy (any sufficiently large demographic has criminials, abusers etc). That does not (!) mean, I repeat and stress again, that everything is fake or there were no problems. That is evidently another subject, beaten to death.

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Kirbmarc wrote:Helen Pluckrose (a British woman who has a keen insight of the problem with feminism, follow her twitter account) has written a very good article on Areo Magazine on the issues with intersectionality.

This quote is especially good:
Helen Pluckrose wrote:The idea that if one is not an intersectional feminist, one is a misogynist, White supremacist, homophobic, transphobic ableist demands an utter ideological purity that few people can meet or wish to meet. Instead, centrists, moderates and universal liberals of all genders, races, sexualities and abilities continue to oppose discrimination, promote equality and value diversity, independent of intersectionality.
Another great quote by Tom Owolade, a British liberal blogger:
Tom Owolade wrote:“(B)rown people, believe it or not, can be progressives, conservatives, liberals and fascists. The beliefs of black and brown people do not derive from their identity like a linear well. They are human, and as human should be free to believe whatever they want without accusations of treachery. It carries with it the pernicious idea – which I thought was long buried – that individuals shouldn’t be individuals but effectively stereotypes.”
Yup. Intersectionality, with its focus on "oppressed groups", reduces individuals to their group. Intersectionality is actually racism, sexism, sexual orientation bigotry, etc., just like garden-variety racism, sexism, sex orientation bigotry, etc. only with a different scale of groups which are valued as perpetual victims (the "oppressed groups") but whose members are robbed of their individuality and agency, while criticism of bad behavior and bad ideas is stifled if those ideas are considered to be characteristics of the group or simple a reaction to oppression.
Muslim and ex-Muslim liberals encounter the same external restrictions when attempting to critique any aspect of their own religion or culture. When criticising any illiberal aspect of doctrine or culture, including sexism, homophobia, intolerance of apostates or theocratic ideas affecting them or others, they are likely to be labelled “Uncle Toms” “House-Arabs” or “native informants.” Again, the implication is that they are pandering to White non-Muslims and could not possibly have their own views on their own culture or the same moral right to discuss them as White westerners do.
Oh so much. And this is one of the reasons why traditional, reactionary "community leaders" and "thought leaders" are able to take control of the narrative, cast themselves as "moderate" only because they claim to be peaceful and opposed to terrorism (with a dubious degree of reliability) and sneak in their demands for religiously inspired laws and standards as "promotion of cultural differences".

Debate about the flaws of islam is stifled, not only by the left, but also by center-right people like David Cameron or Angela Merkel, in a clumsy attempt to pander to "community leaders" and "thought leaders" who should instead be treated as reactionary bigots.

People like Linda Sarsour or Reza Aslan or Mo Ansar or even Rula Jebreal are one of the biggest obstacles to changes within the muslim communities in the west, because the defend reactionary islam as "moderate", allegedly (and who knows, in some cases, like Jebreal's, even sincerely, even thought I doubt it in the case of people like Sarsour, who openly praise Saudi Arabia) in order to oppose bigotry but in reality allowing for the immunity of islam from rational criticism.
Really good article, I'm keen for the message to go out that the left isn't totally in a intersectionalism/fascism dichotomy.

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Aneris wrote:The Eve situation happened, and it was never disputed. The criticism at the time was that the police was understaffed to deal with the situation and that they were not forthcoming with their information after it happened. But were slow to react a few days later. However, there are indeed tons of Fake News floating about.

A bigger splash made the story of the Russian-German girl “Lisa”. She became famous in Russia as an alleged victim of gang rape by Muslim immigrants, who allegedly kidnapped her and abused her for thirty hours. Her picture, name and story were widely spread to show the decadence, and weakness of Europe, and to have something to wash away real news that might concern the Russians. The girl really exists, but the whole story is fake. Journalists poured into it and found nothing could be verified. Try Google translate here.

Whether you want to accept it or not, bigger actors manipulate the moods for their own interests. Russia seeks to undermine trust in authorities in the West, and divert attention away with sensationalistic stories that outrage the common folk. The motif is often “weakness” of the West, so that their authoritarian strongman is viewed favourably by keeping Russia a nice Safe Space, where everything is right. Freedom costs, and look how terrible it is over there!

The Far Right Wingers are known to be marinated in fake news stories of the kind you see shared by the Gatestone Institute and the likes. If there is a grain of truth, it's hyperbole or commits the Chinese Robber Fallacy (any sufficiently large demographic has criminials, abusers etc). That does not (!) mean, I repeat and stress again, that everything is fake or there were no problems. That is evidently another subject, beaten to death.
Disproportionate and allegedly growing rates of criminal behavior in the German immigrant communities seem to be real, though:
For example, Hamburg police reported criminal proceedings being opened against 38,000 people in the first six months of 2016, of which 16,600 persons or 43% of the defendants had no German papers. This represents a rise from 41% of defendants without German papers in 2015.[13] The number of foreign criminals increased by 16.7% over 2015; 9.5% of the suspects were refugees. The figures did not include crimes against the German alien law. Foreign crime gangs were named as one reason for the rising figures. Refugees committed mostly pickpocketing, representing 30.6% of all suspects. 27.5% of suspects in drug dealing also arrived as refugees. Another common crime committed by refugees was bodily injury, with 1,014 cases reported, mostly in the asylum centers.[13]

On 5 December 2016, the Interior Minister of Saxony, Markus Ulbig, released figures about foreign criminals in his state from January to September. A large proportion of them came from North Africa; 664 North Africans were responsible for 36% of all 14,043 crimes committed by immigrants.[14] By the end of October 2016, 31,000 asylum seekers resided in Saxony.[15] In total, in Saxony 7,579 immigrants were perpetrators, counting only solved cases. 5,288 of the crimes were theft and robbery; 2,214 were bodily injury; and 169 were sexual assaults, representing a rise from 25 recorded cases in 2013. 46% of all immigrants who came from the Maghreb states went on to commit crimes in the state.[14]
I've read the articles in the footnotes, they seem to be very sensationalist in style but the numbers were allegedly from official sources (police, ministers). Can you confirm, Aneris?

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Kirbmarc wrote:I've read the articles in the footnotes, they seem to be very sensationalist in style but the numbers were allegedly from official sources (police, ministers). Can you confirm, Aneris?
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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ERV wrote:
Also, it appears Watson is illustrating for us a textbook 'manic episode'.
Indeed. I sometimes wonder why The Pit (which includes me) still bothers looking and laughing at her. She is a spent cartridge, all bent out of shape and with nothing left to give. And as ERV (PBUH) says, she may well be beyond the funny part of mental illness and into the serious. That is a big, and shit, tat to have as your first.

What do y'all think? Why does The Pit still have an interest in Watson?

Last week I installed a swanky art show. It wasnt reviewed in the fine art press, but it was recieved well in the celeb party entertainment paparazzi press. http://tinyurl.com/ragbone17

Before & after those few active days, I barely leave my untidy basement.

I see parallels between Watson's underacheiving/ punctuated by flurries of engagement with society-- & my own patterns.

As with Elyse, I keep an eye on Watson's pratfalls & lack of self-awareness, in hopes of avoiding the same errors.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Aneris wrote:The Eve situation happened, and it was never disputed. The criticism at the time was that the police was understaffed to deal with the situation and that they were not forthcoming with their information after it happened. But were slow to react a few days later. However, there are indeed tons of Fake News floating about.

A bigger splash made the story of the Russian-German girl “Lisa”. She became famous in Russia as an alleged victim of gang rape by Muslim immigrants, who allegedly kidnapped her and abused her for thirty hours. Her picture, name and story were widely spread to show the decadence, and weakness of Europe, and to have something to wash away real news that might concern the Russians. The girl really exists, but the whole story is fake. Journalists poured into it and found nothing could be verified. Try Google translate here.

Whether you want to accept it or not, bigger actors manipulate the moods for their own interests. Russia seeks to undermine trust in authorities in the West, and divert attention away with sensationalistic stories that outrage the common folk. The motif is often “weakness” of the West, so that their authoritarian strongman is viewed favourably by keeping Russia a nice Safe Space, where everything is right. Freedom costs, and look how terrible it is over there!

The Far Right Wingers are known to be marinated in fake news stories of the kind you see shared by the Gatestone Institute and the likes. If there is a grain of truth, it's hyperbole or commits the Chinese Robber Fallacy (any sufficiently large demographic has criminials, abusers etc). That does not (!) mean, I repeat and stress again, that everything is fake or there were no problems. That is evidently another subject, beaten to death.
Disproportionate and allegedly growing rates of criminal behavior in the German immigrant communities seem to be real, though:
For example, Hamburg police reported criminal proceedings being opened against 38,000 people in the first six months of 2016, of which 16,600 persons or 43% of the defendants had no German papers. This represents a rise from 41% of defendants without German papers in 2015.[13] The number of foreign criminals increased by 16.7% over 2015; 9.5% of the suspects were refugees. The figures did not include crimes against the German alien law. Foreign crime gangs were named as one reason for the rising figures. Refugees committed mostly pickpocketing, representing 30.6% of all suspects. 27.5% of suspects in drug dealing also arrived as refugees. Another common crime committed by refugees was bodily injury, with 1,014 cases reported, mostly in the asylum centers.[13]

On 5 December 2016, the Interior Minister of Saxony, Markus Ulbig, released figures about foreign criminals in his state from January to September. A large proportion of them came from North Africa; 664 North Africans were responsible for 36% of all 14,043 crimes committed by immigrants.[14] By the end of October 2016, 31,000 asylum seekers resided in Saxony.[15] In total, in Saxony 7,579 immigrants were perpetrators, counting only solved cases. 5,288 of the crimes were theft and robbery; 2,214 were bodily injury; and 169 were sexual assaults, representing a rise from 25 recorded cases in 2013. 46% of all immigrants who came from the Maghreb states went on to commit crimes in the state.[14]
I've read the articles in the footnotes, they seem to be very sensationalist in style but the numbers were allegedly from official sources (police, ministers). Can you confirm, Aneris?
I don't dispute such things, though I don't know Saxony's stats. There are lots of problems from attitude to language to crime to umemployment by such groups, which is a known problem. The debate is going on for decade or so, as I wrote before already. It's been all over the talk shows, too. The social democrat Thilo Sarrazin kicked it off back then, and it ebbs and flows ever since.

My annoyance stems from something else. Fake News etc can lie about any situation and when someone comes along and debunks the instance, believers make a whataboutery sidestep, or point out that the sentiment is correct — because in the end only the Feelz matter. The Feelz must be protected, no matter what, and when reality is not helpful in one instance, they'll find a replacement that does protect the Feelz. The problem is the all-or-nothing attitude brought to the discussion. A burned synagogue by Palestinians is not nothing, and nobody ever said that, but it isn't the Second Coming of Hitler either as Fake News claimed. It must be possible to debunk Fake News without that raving believers immediately make it “zero bad” (or vice versa). This annoys me a lot.

It's similar to Christian apologist rhetoric incidentially, who also like to dwell on instances, and when debunked, immediately retreat to First Mover or Ground of Being (i.e. seeking shelter in overall sentiments) , then return to their debunked instances as if nothing happened (we know this figure as Motte-and-Bailey).

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There's something to be said for Negative Visualisation.

nb I've been listening to the following as an audiobook

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Guide-Good-Lif ... 0195374614

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