The Refuge of the Toads

[Clarence]

And I am saying that in the first minute and a half I see both her and the camera person pushed, shoved, and grabbed at. There is no if. The evidence is clear. Crimes were committed against them.

I feel some disconnect between your grandstanding persona who will singlehandedly enter Nazi rallies to show them all the fine American values and the other guy who freaks out about a video where someone is shown the door in a nasty way but is touched exactly twice, once on the arm, once on the shoulder. No other 'violence' is discernible in the video. It is not even clear what happens in the initial confusion where her hat must've been taken.
And while I don't condone the rough behaviour or touching I don't live in a fantasy world where I pretend this is not what can happen when I enter an on-going protests or an heated situation to produce youtube clickbait.

In the video no one gets "punched" or "beaten up" like Southern claims. Maybe that's happening off-camera. Again, I'm all for arresting them then. It isn't shown to me in the video. Nor do any of the police/bobbies react as if any violence is happening.

It may also be that she was doing nothing at all to provoke any reaction and was just peacefully reporting without any hidden agenda. Then I was also wrong. But the video doesn't contain the part before the events even though the camera was apparently rolling already. What is included is a witness who confronts Southern about her acting disingenous when she knew exactly what she was doing: "precisely, you wanted to create some conflict."

Fair enough. But she still shouldn't have been touched.

[Eskarina]

In Germany you probably wouldn't get the permission for the protest and thus many lives (especially policemen) would be saved at the cost of freedom of speech.

Free Speech is not free. Here is a story you might not have heard of. It's America!
http://www.jta.org/2013/06/20/news-opin ... ugh-skokie

In 1977, the leader of the Nationalist Socialist Party of America, Frank Collin, announced a march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie, Ill. While a neo-Nazi march would be controversial under any circumstances, the fact that one out of six people in Skokie were Holocaust survivors made it even more provocative. Chicago authorities took steps to prevent it, including requiring the NSPA to post $350,000 worth of liability insurance in case any damage occurred. Authorities also banned the display of Nazi images, explaining that the violence that might have been incited overrode free speech protections.

The dispute drew national attention. After the march was initially cancelled, the ACLU took up the case at the urging of Jewish lawyer Joseph Burton, who defended the NSPA’s right to freedom of speech and assembly...

What most people forget is that the restrictions on the freedom of speech in Germany were mostly forced by the allies after WWII. I have been a proponent of abandoning those restrictions for decades, because I really think "sunshine is the best disinfectant".

We have grown up somewhat, but not enough.

[Eskarina]

So many strawmen, so few matches. :popcorn:

Soon it won't matter. Trump's Imperial America will conquer all. All will be slaves to the American juggernaut and our mighty fleet of drones!

How are Germans at yard work? Asking for a friend. :whistle:

We import Poles for it. Like the Brits. :twisted:

[Clarence]

Can you go into poor black areas and shout white supremacist slogans, coming out unharmed? I know I couldn't.

I have the legal right to and if I got a bunch of idiots together (steersman) comes to mind and we decide to have a little march we could count on police protection.

Even taking something as provocative as Steersman into a black area wouldn't excuse the resulting violence, though it would be a bit fucking funny.

"It is quite clear that the thorough twatting you are dishing out to me indicates an unseemly cognitive bias on your part as regards my frequent use of the word 'nigger' which would not be evident were I deploying 'cunt' or somesuch, and I therefore take it that you are blowing smoke out of your ass. Moreover, might I kindly request that you return my pelvic truss, or at least stop hitting me with it."

When I was in my early 20's a friend of mine did something like that.

It was late at night, he was drunk. Me and two others were riding in his car.

He goes into the Cherry Hill neighborhood in Baltimore. A largely (90 percent plus) black , poor neighborhood. We were driving through it , when, with no warning, he stuck his head out of the window, and yelled "NIgger! Nigger! " as loud as he could. He then GUNNED the engine and traveled about a mile through the neighborhood occasionally doing the same thing, until we finally reached a freeway.

Need I mention:
A. No one had any idea he was going to do that.
B. There are lots of illegal guns and druggies in that neighborhood, plus a few members of nationally known gangs. We could have been shot at.
C. What if his car had broken down?
D. What if he got lost? He was drunk, he could have missed a turn...

Oh well, young and stupid. It was a prank, and one to my knowledge he never repeated. But it could have ended pretty badly.

[CuntajusRationality]

I might have sounded flippant, but the American gun culture is so alien to me, that I do have the impression in the US cops shoot at you, if you sneeze.

I looked into this as best I could. We need better reporting in our country.

In 2015 up to 1186 people were killed (most likely shot) by police.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/1 ... lice-2015/

The last estimate of arrest is from 2014 via the FBI.

Police made an estimated 11,205,833 arrests during 2014—498,666 for violent crimes, and 1,553,980 for property crimes. More than 73 percent of those arrested during 2014 were male.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015/s ... s-released

There numbers don't include all interacts people have with police. That would be a lot higher.

My math is good but I would say your chances of not getting shot for sneezing is pretty good.

Violent crime rates have also been on the decline for years, despite the common perception that things are getting worse.

Same with gun-related deaths, more specifically.

Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat. From 2009 to 2014, the most recent year data are available, the number of gun homicides has hovered around 11,000 and 12,000 per year.

The nation’s overall gun death rate has declined 31% since 1993.

The rate of nonfatal gun victimizations declined in a similar way to the gun death rate, with a large drop in the 1990s – 63% between 1993 and 2000. The decline since then has been more uneven. In 2014, there were 174.8 nonfatal violent gun victimizations per 100,000 people ages 12 and older.

[comhcinc]

And I am saying that in the first minute and a half I see both her and the camera person pushed, shoved, and grabbed at. There is no if. The evidence is clear. Crimes were committed against them.

I feel some disconnect between your grandstanding persona who will singlehandedly enter Nazi rallies to show them all the fine American values and the other guy who freaks out about a video where someone is shown the door in a nasty way but is touched exactly twice, once on the arm, once on the shoulder. No other 'violence' is discernible in the video. It is not even clear what happens in the initial confusion where her hat must've been taken.
And while I don't condone the rough behaviour or touching I don't live in a fantasy world where I pretend this is not what can happen when I enter an on-going protests or an heated situation to produce youtube clickbait.

In the video no one gets "punched" or "beaten up" like Southern claims. Maybe that's happening off-camera. Again, I'm all for arresting them then. It isn't shown to me in the video. Nor do any of the police/bobbies react as if any violence is happening.

It may also be that she was doing nothing at all to provoke any reaction and was just peacefully reporting without any hidden agenda. Then I was also wrong. But the video doesn't contain the part before the events even though the camera was apparently rolling already. What is included is a witness who confronts Southern about her acting disingenous when she knew exactly what she was doing: "precisely, you wanted to create some conflict."

Let's get something straight. I have been attacked by a neo nazis gang when I was in prison. I stood up to them then, at least one known killer, and I am willing to stand up to them again. That doesn't mean that I think it's acceptable for a group of "protesters" to attack a film crew. Or even someone who is there for no other reason to annoy them.

[Pitchguest]

In the ridiculously lulzworthy camp, we have the "No Borders" group here now. They have been expelled yesterday from a squat in a former border control building. Almost all of them are what we call "punks with dogs". Usually kids of lawyers and doctors. They are campaigning for fully open borders because "the world is one and we must care for our humans brothers and sisters". And then they never suffer the consequences because mom and dad got a nice money stash for them to live on when the job market is fucked.

Fuck them all.

These people should look up the Thirty Years War. It started out as a religious conflict between Protestants and Catholics but ended up a border dispute because back then the lines was a bit more wishy washy and the leaders of those countries were power hungry cunts. The conclusion of which was the Treaty of Westphalia (depicted here) where they established CLEAR borders (among other things).

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

So many strawmen, so few matches. :popcorn:

Soon it won't matter. Trump's Imperial America will conquer all. All will be slaves to the American juggernaut and our mighty fleet of drones!

How are Germans at yard work? Asking for a friend. :whistle:

We import Poles for it. Like the Brits. :twisted:

Goddamn it, Trump will never find Poland. And his wall will prevent the usual option. Sigh. My kids can't tell a lilac from a rose bush.

[Easy J]

So many strawmen, so few matches. :popcorn:

Soon it won't matter. Trump's Imperial America will conquer all. All will be slaves to the American juggernaut and our mighty fleet of drones!

How are Germans at yard work? Asking for a friend. :whistle:

We import Poles for it. Like the Brits. :twisted:

My brother was stationed over there for a bit & admired the way they took pride & responsibility for the front areas of their homes. It stuck with him enough to mention it more than once.

[comhcinc]

Violent crime rates have also been on the decline for years, despite the common perception that things are getting worse.

Same with gun-related deaths, more specifically.

Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat. From 2009 to 2014, the most recent year data are available, the number of gun homicides has hovered around 11,000 and 12,000 per year.

The nation’s overall gun death rate has declined 31% since 1993.

The rate of nonfatal gun victimizations declined in a similar way to the gun death rate, with a large drop in the 1990s – 63% between 1993 and 2000. The decline since then has been more uneven. In 2014, there were 174.8 nonfatal violent gun victimizations per 100,000 people ages 12 and older.

Yup which funny enough I pointed something like this out twice on facebook the last couple of weeks. Once to a person who had recently found Jesus. He unfriend and blocked me.

The other is gay and works for the state department. He thanked me for reminding him.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Not to offend EasyJ or Com, but if anybody would have reason to rag on US cops, it would be them.

[John D]

My turn - We had a party at my flat to celebrate Martin Luther King's Birthday. It was the first year it became a holiday so it must have been 1983. We lived in a neighborhood that was about 30% black in Ferndale Michigan and two blocks away was a Detroit neighborhood that was 80% black. So we where drinking and just having a nice party...when... two of my friends fly into my flat, panting and out of breath.. They both had on black-face makeup. I guess they thought it would be funny to go to the White Castle restaurant for some burgers while wearing black face. They actually stood in line for a bit white a bunch of the black patrons started to stare at them and grumble. They panicked and bolted out of the place and ran to my flat running across eight lanes of traffic on Woodward Avenue.

And I'm like "What the fuck you assholes.... why did you lead them here?... now we are all gonna get shot!"

Luckily, nothing happened. Some of my friends are dumb-asses.

[Eskarina]

My brother was stationed over there for a bit & admired the way they took pride & responsibility for the front areas of their homes. It stuck with him enough to mention it more than once.

Buying/building your own house over here is fucking expensive, so only about a third of households can afford it, the rest rent appartments. So of course they are quite proud of their homes. :)

[Malsbert]

"Unnecessarily provocative"

I am so fucking happy I live in the U. S. of mother fucking A.

Damn right!

Now if you'll excuse me i am of for a little walk in Harlem.

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[Service Dog]

[quote="Eskarina]
Are you white-knighting?[/quote]

I am. White-knighting is a form of playing a role within a social contract. Lauren Southern offers a consistent, aboveboard proposition. She agrees to not ask for any special treatment due to her identity-politics classifications, (nor does she deny the existence of special treatment she may nonetheless receive). She doesn't vilify those who ally with her. She stands for noble principles.

I hope she improves with experience. So far, it would be easy to make her look hypocritical by juxtaposing things she said on camera to slutwalkers... with her own reaction to being attacked for what she was wearing. If she closely studies the video of the times she has been attacked-- she can hone her rhetoric to make it clear there's no inconsistency, in the future.

I think it was krautstrutsboatmenschen who called Southern the 'least reasonable' person in the video. Next time Southern should be prepared to tell the police that this is no time for being reasonable. There's a clear right & clear wrong & a 'reasonable' middle ground is a false equivalency. If the policewoman disagrees, demand she surrender her own hat to Southern.

[comhcinc]

Not to offend EasyJ or Com, but if anybody would have reason to rag on US cops, it would be them.

I don't think they are shoot happy for the most part.


My issue is them is a lot of them are way too willing to bend the rules in order to arrest people. It happened a lot when I was a stupid loud youth and I haven't forgotten.

[German StrutBoatsman]

In Germany you probably wouldn't get the permission for the protest and thus many lives (especially policemen) would be saved at the cost of freedom of speech.

Such permits for Nazi rallies are granted every seconded month or so. At one point German police were carrying the President of Parliament out of the way because he interferred with the Nazi right to hold their march (by sitting on the street in front of them with several houndred other counter-protesters).

[comhcinc]

"Unnecessarily provocative"

I am so fucking happy I live in the U. S. of mother fucking A.

Damn right!

Now if you'll excuse me i am of for a little walk in Harlem.

http://blog.northgate.fr/wp-content/upl ... 00x225.jpg

Lol yeah I thought of that (as well as the KFM) as well.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Not to offend EasyJ or Com, but if anybody would have reason to rag on US cops, it would be them.

I don't think they are shoot happy for the most part.


My issue is them is a lot of them are way too willing to bend the rules in order to arrest people. It happened a lot when I was a stupid loud youth and I haven't forgotten.

I've heard things about Alabama law enforcement.

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[comhcinc]

Not to offend EasyJ or Com, but if anybody would have reason to rag on US cops, it would be them.

I don't think they are shoot happy for the most part.


My issue is them is a lot of them are way too willing to bend the rules in order to arrest people. It happened a lot when I was a stupid loud youth and I haven't forgotten.

I've heard things about Alabama law enforcement.

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Alabama, San Francisco, Tennessee, Nevada....

[German StrutBoatsman]

How are Germans at yard work? Asking for a friend. :whistle:

We have better expertise in wall building.

When Mexico pays, hire us, otherwise better try the Chinese.

[Eskarina]

In Germany you probably wouldn't get the permission for the protest and thus many lives (especially policemen) would be saved at the cost of freedom of speech.

Such permits for Nazi rallies are granted every seconded month or so. At one point German police were carrying the President of Parliament out of the way because he interferred with the Nazi right to hold their march (by sitting on the street in front of them with several houndred other counter-protesters).

I was talking about the German equivalent of a "White supremacist rally in a black area". I don't see the authorities allowing a neo-nazi protest in one those areas controlled by Lebanese gangs. :o

[Service Dog]

"White-knighting is a form of playing a role within a social contract."

Rather, it Should Be. In practice the guys deemed white knights are cucks who don't realize they're the only ones still playing by obsolete rules. A defunct contract.

[AndrewV69]

By the way, this seems to have escaped everyone's attention:

Lauren Southern is CANADIAN.

Shut up. Shhhhhhhh. Ixnay. Fuck off already.

[Malky]

Via Jerry Coyne:

http://quillette.com/2016/06/22/safe-university/

Story of an SJW University - quite hilarious

[Really?]

It's quite clear he broke some codes of conduct and I already said why I find his behaviour unprofessional and inappropriate. But hasn't sexual harassment a legal definition?

Amy claims that Carrier sexually harassed her. Therefore, we must believe it is true or we are calling her a liar.

A great scholar once gave us tools to decide the truth in situations like these:

You can review all there is and draw your own conclusion. This is only my own judgment. But the preponderance of evidence (a civil court burden, whereby a claim need only have a better than 50% chance of being true, so even just a 50.1% chance of being true would win a case) is enough for me to conclude that the general picture is probably true: Shermer pursues sex with women a lot, both one-night stands and ongoing affairs, and he has often enough done so without telling his wife or his various girlfriends. His recent attempt to compel PZ Myers to retract his report of what a witness told him appeared to deny even this (that Shermer has lots of consensual trysts and affairs), which I think is disingenuous at this point.

[Easy J]

Not to offend EasyJ or Com, but if anybody would have reason to rag on US cops, it would be them.

I've certainly dished out more shit than I've taken from them. Most showed more patience with this little punk than I would've had I been in their shoes. You get bad apples in any bunch but the ratio of good to bad with cops is far better than the media would have anyone believe. It's just that the decent interactions are easily forgotten but the bad ones never are.

[jet_lagg]

Honesty would require treating 20-something college students differently than 9-15 year olds, but I see you've lumped them all into one category.

In case anyone is still wondering why I think Damion is disingenuous. The above crosses the border from egregious straw man into straight up lie.

I've been the most vocal in pushing the angle that Carrier is the sort of person who would get a teen drunk and sleep with her and the absolute furthest I've ever gone is 16, which is the age of consent where he lives and which Carrier has said is his cutoff point (because of the legal requirement mind you, not because of any ethical considerations). Nobody has ever said Carrier was a danger to the younger children (I even apologized for writing something that might be misconstrued as saying that).

You have exactly zero evidence that RC has ever tried to date high-school aged students, whether at CQOK or SSA. Speculating about that as a live possibility is rather poor form, I'd say.

It is a fact that Carrier has sexually harassed students (quibbling about the rules does not change the fact he violated the rules).

It's an accusation, not a fact. Had Stollznow made the same claim, you'd still have your skeptic hat on.

It is a fact that he has slept with students.

Possibly. He admitted to dating them.

It is a fact that Carrier sees 16 as the cutoff point.

Where exactly did he say that? The age of consent where he lived at the time is 18.

It is a fact that roughly half the students at a college will be teenagers (not just "20-somethings" as Damion keeps insisting).

You cannot infer from this that he was actually dating teenagers.

If [name redacted] is to be believed it is a fact Carrier took a blacked out student to his room once.

#SupportTheAccusers

Ignore the substance of my point (nobody ever said Carrier went after 15 year olds and you're lying to say so) and attempt to distract by litigating every trivial detail (can we safely assume sex is involved in dating??). Fuck off.

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[d4m10n]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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[Guestus Aurelius]

[comhcinc]

So not the rule has changed to only those who are connected to FtBs?

My how hand grenade technology changes.

[jet_lagg]

It is a fact that Carrier has sexually harassed students (quibbling about the rules does not change the fact he violated the rules).

It's quite clear he broke some codes of conduct and I already said why I find his behaviour unprofessional and inappropriate. But hasn't sexual harassment a legal definition? The harassment that happened might not have been worse than being corned by a social inept kid trying to re-tell you Mothy Python jokes for two hours. I.e. what physicist call 'to party'.

I wouldn't even be surprised if this is exactly what Carrier calls game.

If [name redacted] is to be believed it is a fact Carrier took a blacked out student to his room once.

I didn't see any reliable source on that just some tweet telling a 3rd hand story.

I'm going to hope that the investigation is fair and unbiased and determines what Carrier did or didn't do. He may not be guilty of anything at all, and all his talk of banging students is simply the bragging of a desperate narcissistic blowhard. He may have been banging 16 yos while his polyamorous girlfriend watched and diddled herself. There's not enough info at this point.

As far as SSA/Camp quest goes we do have Carrier's own words about what he considers fair game, the fact that their was a complaint and yet he still managed to be a volunteer and a speaker. I'm not having much question as to their guilt. Nor that massive exposure is going to cause outrage among parents and donors. And exposure is inevitable.

Probably ninja'd but the investigation is I to SSA and not Carrier specifically. His wrongdoing was already determined (as he confessed) when he was removed from the speakers list. He and others are doing their best to confuse this issue

Honesty would require treating 20-something college students differently than 9-15 year olds, but I see you've lumped them all into one category.

In case anyone is still wondering why I think Damion is disingenuous. The above crosses the border from egregious straw man into straight up lie.

I've been the most vocal in pushing the angle that Carrier is the sort of person who would get a teen drunk and sleep with her and the absolute furthest I've ever gone is 16, which is the age of consent where he lives and which Carrier has said is his cutoff point (because of the legal requirement mind you, not because of any ethical considerations). Nobody has ever said Carrier was a danger to the younger children (I even apologized for writing something that might be misconstrued as saying that).

You have exactly zero evidence that RC has ever tried to date high-school aged students, whether at CQOK or SSA. Speculating about that as a live possibility is rather poor form, I'd say.

It is a fact that Carrier has sexually harassed students (quibbling about the rules does not change the fact he violated the rules).

It's an accusation, not a fact. Had Stollznow made the same claim, you'd still have your skeptic hat on.

It is a fact that he has slept with students.

Possibly. He admitted to dating them.

It is a fact that Carrier sees 16 as the cutoff point.

Where exactly did he say that? The age of consent where he lived at the time is 18.

It is a fact that roughly half the students at a college will be teenagers (not just "20-somethings" as Damion keeps insisting).

You cannot infer from this that he was actually dating teenagers.

If [name redacted] is to be believed it is a fact Carrier took a blacked out student to his room once.

#SupportTheAccusers

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[Really?]

Hey, Elfwick 2.0 will never be as good as 1.0, but he did mess with Lily Allen.

Cheers.

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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

As far as Carrier dating students and what their ages were, well my opinion is that we let SSA/CQ parents and donors speculate. Give everybody that has supported those orgs all the information that is available and let them draw their own conclusions. Maybe none of them will look at Carrier and think "well, he said age of consent, but surely he meant within reason. Seems like a nice, level-headed fellow. And good show polyamorously banging the camp director, Amanda Metskas. Seems like an excellent example for my kids." :fpig:

Of course, it will probably doom the organization. We'll find out.

[Tigzy]

Hey, Elfwick 2.0 will never be as good as 1.0, but he did mess with Lily Allen.

Cheers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClfLNM2VYAAA1VH.jpg:large

I don't mind Godfrey v2 at all. He's been a blast on the referendum thing. :lol:

[German StrutBoatsman]

[quote="Eskarina]
Are you white-knighting?

I am. White-knighting is a form of playing a role within a social contract. Lauren Southern offers a consistent, aboveboard proposition. She agrees to not ask for any special treatment due to her identity-politics classifications, (nor does she deny the existence of special treatment she may nonetheless receive). She doesn't vilify those who ally with her. She stands for noble principles. [/quote][/quote][/quote]

She's a lying dolt.

She proudly announces how she got a security detail for her visit to Moolenbeek, one of "the most dangerous parts of Europe" (stating that after her visit so it's not like she doesn't know better). As if it is a war-zone. If I read the numbers correctly, 60 to 80% of inhabitants are non-muslim, living their everyday life there, every day.

This is the video she brought from the war-torn Moolenbeek. See her trying to milk some unsuspecting muslim guy for something scandalous while he seems as passionate about sharia as Becky Watson is about work: 'might be a good idea but do I really have to personally care that much?' Then listen to her summary of the talk at the end.

[youtube]X8yE2CxYHIw[/youtube]

Also, the Pit kerfuffle was totally unnecessary because Southern and I are in total agreement about how upsetting some unwanted touching, grabbing and shoving really is. These women, always getting hysterical about nothing, haha:

[youtube]-L32jgvSldA[/youtube]

She's like Watson. Not as wannabe hipsterish. Not as lazy. But exactly as trustworthy.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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Send the lynx, oh dancing boy.

Oh, speaking of links and evidence, didja see those ol' tweets of yours CuntajusRationality laid on you? Did it help jog the memory?

[dog puke]

Oh, speaking of links and evidence, didja see those ol' tweets of yours CuntajusRationality laid on you? Did it help jog the memory?

Which links are you referring to?

viewtopic.php?p=252522#p252522

I have his full name and phone number if you guys want it.

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[Really?]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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Send the lynx, oh dancing boy.

Oh, speaking of links and evidence, didja see those ol' tweets of yours CuntajusRationality laid on you? Did it help jog the memory?

And just in the interest of being factual:

Camp Quest sessions range in size from around 20 campers at our smallest camps to around 80 at our largest. Typically campers are fairly evenly distributed throughout the age range of 8-17. Most of our camps offer Counselor-in-Training (CIT) programs for campers who are 16 and 17.

(Not 9-15.)

https://campquest.org/faqs

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

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Also, the Pit kerfuffle was totally unnecessary because Southern and I are in total agreement about how upsetting some unwanted touching, grabbing and shoving really is. These women, always getting hysterical about nothing, haha:
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She's like Watson. Not as wannabe hipsterish. Not as lazy. But exactly as trustworthy.

You forgot to mention her appearance! Not to appearance shame, but Southern is a lot easier on the eyes.

Regardless of exactly how she behaved, what she was wearing, etc, would you agree that she didn't deserve to be pushed or intimidated or her property stolen?

[jet_lagg]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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Yes and you find it inconceivable that Carrier might go after an 18 or 19 year old student in an environment where half the students are that age and Carrier has expressed zero qualms other than the legal ones and has by his own words slept with several students ("zero evidence" you call this).

And Camp Quest states on their site they take campers up to 17. This has consistently been what has been harped on (and even then focusing on the counselors being a greater concern). You, again, are completely dishonest.

That or you're happy to declare someone is making unwarranted accusations of pedophilia without bothering to read what they actually wrote. Either one makes me understand the venom I'd seen directed toward you for so long

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[jet_lagg]

Fakking ninjas...

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[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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Yes and you find it inconceivable that Carrier might go after an 18 or 19 year old student in an environment where half the students are that age and Carrier has expressed zero qualms other than the legal ones and has by his own words slept with several students ("zero evidence" you call this).

And Camp Quest states on their site they take campers up to 17. This has consistently been what has been harped on (and even then focusing on the counselors being a greater concern). You, again, are completely dishonest.

That or you're happy to declare someone is making unwarranted accusations of pedophilia without bothering to read what they actually wrote. Either one makes me understand the venom I'd seen directed toward you for so long

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If Damion is trying to protect Camp Quest, he is doing it exactly wrong. Maybe he's a master of reverse psychology and wants us to make a press release with all the juicy bits and bring Camp Quest crashing down in disgrace.

Oh, we are all puppets in his masterful manipulations!

[Steersman]

Can you go into poor black areas and shout white supremacist slogans, coming out unharmed? I know I couldn't.

I have the legal right to and if I got a bunch of idiots together (steersman) comes to mind and we decide to have a little march we could count on police protection.

Even taking something as provocative as Steersman into a black area wouldn't excuse the resulting violence, though it would be a bit fucking funny.

"It is quite clear that the thorough twatting you are dishing out to me indicates an unseemly cognitive bias on your part as regards my frequent use of the word 'nigger' which would not be evident were I deploying 'cunt' or somesuch, and I therefore take it that you are blowing smoke out of your ass. Moreover, might I kindly request that you return my pelvic truss, or at least stop hitting me with it."

:-) "Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do ...." Somewhat apropos of which:

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

This is new.

Investigation Announcement
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On June 15, 2016, we announced that we were launching a Board-led investigation into our handling of a complaint against Dr. Carrier. Since that announcement, an outside consultant was brought on board to lead the investigation.

The consultant was given complete autonomy in their investigation and has been actively interviewing people. Our Board has been receiving frequent updates and is in regular contact with the consultant. Based on the current findings to date, the consultant has recommended the investigation be expanded beyond its original scope and the Board has agreed.

Again, The Secular Student Alliance does not tolerate harassment of its members. Any harassment conducted by speakers who are affiliated with SSA can be reported using this form: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/report.

The expectations of our speakers can be found here: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/policies

The outcome of this investigation will result in new policies and processes to better protect our students. At the conclusion of our investigation we will release what we can about our findings.

In the meantime, we want to make clear that speakers who are removed for cause from our Speakers Bureau will not be invited to SSA Con 2016, or to any future SSA Con. We are also currently working on a policy for informing students of Speakers Bureau member removals.

We have added an email address to report any harassment/code of conduct issues that either occurred in the past or are currently existing: investigation@secularstudents.org. These issues will go directly to our consultant and will be handled in the strictest confidence.

View the Facebook version of this announcement.

https://secularstudents.org/investigation

[Easy J]

I'm all for giving Carrier flak for dating students, Mr. Lagg. Much of the mockery is surely warranted. Implying that he's going for high school students is the sort of hyperbole I'd expect from FtB or perhaps Skepchick.

The 9-15 y.o. age range happens to be how old the campers are at Camp Quest. If you haven't seen the hysterics about that hypothetical possibility upthread, I can provide Lynx.



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Send the lynx, oh dancing boy.

Oh, speaking of links and evidence, didja see those ol' tweets of yours CuntajusRationality laid on you? Did it help jog the memory?

Here's the relevant thread page for the context:

http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 33#p252533

[Service Dog]

She's a lying dolt.

She proudly announces how she got a security detail for her visit to Moolenbeek, one of "the most dangerous parts of Europe" (stating that after her visit so it's not like she doesn't know better). As if it is a war-zone. If I read the numbers correctly, 60 to 80% of inhabitants are non-muslim, living their everyday life there, every day.

This is the video she brought from the war-torn Moolenbeek. See her trying to milk some unsuspecting muslim guy for something scandalous while he seems as passionate about sharia as Becky Watson is about work: 'might be a good idea but do I really have to personally care that much?' Then listen to her summary of the talk at the end.

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Also, the Pit kerfuffle was totally unnecessary because Southern and I are in total agreement about how upsetting some unwanted touching, grabbing and shoving really is. These women, always getting hysterical about nothing, haha:

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She's like Watson. Not as wannabe hipsterish. Not as lazy. But exactly as trustworthy.

You have utterly failed to damage Lauren Southern's credibility, only harming your own.

In the first video, she accurately summarized the muslim's low-key support for Sharia law. The only mischaracterization was in regard to the stabbing of a transsexual. The =translator= mischaracterized the muslim's response, not Southern. Then the interview ended, the camera kept rolling, and-- all in one unbroken take-- and Southern repeated the translator's incorrect version. However, a correct translation ("To each his own") was annotated on the video by Southern & Rebel Media. They handled the error correctly, without deception.

In the 2nd video, Southern condemns the lady politician who played the violence-against-women card when the lady's own physical bullying was met with an appropriate use of counter-force.
There is nothing inconsistent between that & how Southern reacted to being robbed & attacked by an organized gang of masked political thugs. Southern did not physically provoke her attackers. After she was attacked, she did not invoke being female. The only identity politics group she mentioned-- was that the attackers' "Kill All White Men" sign should be taken as indication of their intent. Nor did Southern overplay what had happened to her by insisting on pressing charges. She merely made the case that it was wrong for the police to reward the perpetrators by evicting the reporters-- which is what the masked criminals had-been trying to do.

You just shit all over yourself, Strutboat.

[Billie from Ockham]

Oh boy, lot's of testosterone flying around tonight.

No worries. Your estrogen is cancelling it out.

[Really?]

This is new.

Investigation Announcement
Share/Save
On June 15, 2016, we announced that we were launching a Board-led investigation into our handling of a complaint against Dr. Carrier. Since that announcement, an outside consultant was brought on board to lead the investigation.

The consultant was given complete autonomy in their investigation and has been actively interviewing people. Our Board has been receiving frequent updates and is in regular contact with the consultant. Based on the current findings to date, the consultant has recommended the investigation be expanded beyond its original scope and the Board has agreed.

Again, The Secular Student Alliance does not tolerate harassment of its members. Any harassment conducted by speakers who are affiliated with SSA can be reported using this form: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/report.

The expectations of our speakers can be found here: https://secularstudents.org/speakers/policies

The outcome of this investigation will result in new policies and processes to better protect our students. At the conclusion of our investigation we will release what we can about our findings.

In the meantime, we want to make clear that speakers who are removed for cause from our Speakers Bureau will not be invited to SSA Con 2016, or to any future SSA Con. We are also currently working on a policy for informing students of Speakers Bureau member removals.

We have added an email address to report any harassment/code of conduct issues that either occurred in the past or are currently existing: investigation@secularstudents.org. These issues will go directly to our consultant and will be handled in the strictest confidence.

View the Facebook version of this announcement.

https://secularstudents.org/investigation

Hmm:

Based on the current findings to date, the consultant has recommended the investigation be expanded beyond its original scope and the Board has agreed.

This doesn't look good for SSA... What could it mean?

[dog puke]

Sommers and Paglia discussion about the rise of SJW's. Well worth a watch.

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I dread watching this. While I'm a fan of Hoff-Sommers, Paglia is so tiresome. Every thought she's ever expressed has been unique! A breakthrough! Correct and validated! Throw in an unrelated personal grudge-usually Susan Sontag becuase she wouldn't make out with Paglia at a Vassar party in 1968. She has some valid points to make, but you have to dig through a pile of narcissistic bullshit to find that peanut.

You need to watch the whole thing; at the end they strip down and make out. :twatson:

[Billie from Ockham]

Based on the current findings to date, the consultant has recommended the investigation be expanded beyond its original scope and the Board has agreed.

This doesn't look good for SSA... What could it mean?

If the earlier reports were accurate, the original investigation was to only concern how the board handled the Carrier complaint. My guess is that they are now looking into the complaint, itself. In other words, the board is preparing a defense against anything Carrier might be stupid enough to do. But, as I said: this is a guess.

[German StrutBoatsman]

Regardless of exactly how she behaved, what she was wearing, etc, would you agree that she didn't deserve to be pushed or intimidated or her property stolen?

Yes I do. I'm not in any way propagating bullying or pushing or other intimidating behaviour.

I do believe though that it is shameful to deliberately look for trouble, then make a big fuss about finding it. Not saying this is necessarily what she did (because the video footage we're shown is incomplete) but some signs are there.
Doesn't change that the antifa behaviour's still thuggish. She just might not be the unknowing victim of "the most violent people" she encountered in Europe as she tries to portray the incident.

I really try to take her loss of property seriously but I just can't fathom that hat wasn't just a prop for a stunt she tried to pull and that she couldn't give a fuck about her fucking hat herself. I may be wrong but I can't bring myself to care about ironic/whatever headwear when this could have escalated quite quickly into real violence.

You forgot to mention her appearance! Not to appearance shame, but Southern is a lot easier on the eyes.

I justed wanted to spare the Pit another round in the 'are we seriously insulting other people's looks' debate that will now take place tomorrow ;)

[Guest_fdc97815]

Lauren Southern ATTACKED by “anti-fascist” thugs in London!

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As far as I can tell from the vid, Southern is in the right with her overall complaints (so she'll get the same sympathy from me that she gave Fields who was bruised due to similar touching) but I saw two other good points in that vid:

1) The guy who said he wasn't gonna show his face around her (not that he wasn't prepared to not show it off in other circumstances too!) since he might end up on some racist website. It's true, if the internet gets their hands on you in these sorts of circumstances, you'll likely end up as a meme; might as well avoid that.

2) The woman who told Southern she tried to "deliberately create conflict". That's what she frequently does, no disagreement there.

Also, I notice that the police officer gave her some good advice that Southern didn't like too much - advice that doesn't sound too different from "don't get too drunk around strange men" when it comes to assault prevention, that other kinds of people usually dislike.

I also kinda want to call Southern a bit inconsistent considering her comments in other videos of hers but that would require some digging up and hey, we're all inconsistent now and then.

[free thoughtpolice]

Oh boy, lot's of testosterone flying around tonight.

No worries. Your estrogen is cancelling it out.

Hey, it's the Slymepit, ground zero for toxic masculinity. :angry-boxing:

[gurugeorge]

While there's still a whiff of testosterone about, and the question of thug-confronting is hanging in the air, the most dangerous altercation I was involved in (only one of a few, I tend to avoid places where there's a chance of violence) was in Amsterdam. 4 of us (N., P., A. and me) walking through the old town, stoned as crows (ofc :) ), everything twinkling and magical. We got strung out in 2 groups of 2 across a humped bridge, N. and me falling behind. N. and me heard some shouting ahead; when we got over the hump, we saw A. on the ground getting the shit kicked out of him by 5 brown people, P. hovering about panicked.

I steam in, kick the thugs very, very hard up their arses and about their persons, pull them off A. N. and P. run. I had done a lot of Karate as a younger guy, so it was kind of ingrained, so there was I, in my goofy Karate stance, facing off against 5 surprised brown gentlemen, guarding A. on the ground, who's starting to recover.

Adrenaline spike, clarity + tunnel vision, everything slow and buttery. One of the thugs decides to attack, I fend him off handily. The others start shouting angrily and hovering about menacingly, agitated. I help A. off the ground and support him, moving away, steadily, me keeping an eye on the thugs, who are still shouting amongst themselves and at us, but not pursuing. We get some distance and pick up our pace as best we can. One of the thugs throws a shoe at the back of my head, stings like buggery but I ignore it. A. and I keep moving, they don't pursue, they just keep shouting (at each other and at us). A. and me get more and more distance, get round a corner, into a more crowded street. The thugs still don't pursue. We hop on the nearest tram.

Eventually A. and me get back to our gaff where P. and N. are pacing about white-faced and glad to see us ok. Thankfully A's. injuries are minor. P. and N. are apologetic, but no worries, I perfectly understand them running off. When the adrenalin buzz fades, we drink, get even more stoned and have a good laugh about the situation.

On reflection, of course, I'm damn lucky none of them had (or if they had, used) a knife or gun. Still, I'm a loyal soul and I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do something about a friend being beaten up.

[Brive1987]

But I won't bore the pit with it anymore if that is your concern.

My dear captain, I would be personally offended if you didn't 'bother' us. Colour, movement and robust disagreement is what makes this place great (again).

As Gumby and I can attest. :burn:

[y.outube]nTzRnepGIdM[/youtube]

Fuck you, Brive.

FUCK. YOU.

DIE.

http://i.imgur.com/JscEhcb.jpg

DIE.

http://i.imgur.com/nAdQWxG.jpg

DIE IN A FIRE.

http://i.imgur.com/C6YBEuh.jpg

DIE.

http://i.imgur.com/JKwpm7L.jpg

There, did I do "robust disagreement" right?

You rustle my jjj Jimmies.

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[Brive1987]

But I won't bore the pit with it anymore if that is your concern.

My dear captain, I would be personally offended if you didn't 'bother' us. Colour, movement and robust disagreement is what makes this place great (again).

As Gumby and I can attest. :burn:

[y.outube]nTzRnepGIdM[/youtube]

Fuck you, Brive.

FUCK. YOU.

DIE.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/JscEhcb.jpg[/img]

DIE.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/nAdQWxG.jpg[/img]

DIE IN A FIRE.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/C6YBEuh.jpg[/img]

DIE.

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/JKwpm7L.jpg[/img]

There, did I do "robust disagreement" right?

http://bestanimations.com/Military/Weap ... ro-gif.gif

[Brive1987]

Gumby. Let me give you a lesson in "robust disagreement".

http://bestanimations.com/Military/Weap ... ro-gif.gif

[Brive1987]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... 12-h288-nc

[free thoughtpolice]

I wonder if Southern had security with her in Molenbeek because she saw this video? :think:
[youtube]cGk0taN811g[/youtube]