Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#64201

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Patriarchy's Queen wrote:
Finke praised (with some caveats) a blog post by Zvan titled "Why I Am Not A Rationalist" on his FaceBook. A couple of people apparently more knowledgeable about philosophy have been taking her to task for being sloppy and vague. Also at least one of them has been comparing her to certain anti-feminists in the way she argues her points.
https://archive.today/nHREX

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Svan is a dumbass who thinks she's a genius.

#64202

I also love how at least one commenter on the Svan thread uses an example ofbad syllogism to illustrate problems with logic, not knowing that a basic rule is that the premises must be true in order for the conclusion to be true. That's 101 stuff .

#64203

Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

#64204

Damion -

Would I be correct to infer that you were joking when you wrote (on your blog):

To my great surprise about half the crowd left the PZ talk chanting â€œEFF . . . TEE . . . BULLIESâ€ and making vulgar hand signs. I presume the remaining half must not have received the memo, because they just looked puzzled.

?

#64205

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:And at Nugent's, I just presented Myers' (lack of) qualifications without calling him a failure.
While, I, in contrast, got a huge kick out of reminding folks that his research is utterly unfundable. Too bad that got buried so quickly in a comment section that is seriously going to hell in a hand-basket (with some help from me and this bottle of impudent red wine).

Que syrah, syrah.

#64206

d4m10n wrote:Hopefully Carrier will bring his intellectual payload to bear on this problem.

Is it wrong that I'm turned on? Like Greta Christina rape fantasy, turned on?

#64207

Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

Only in the US of A, where a young black man can be murdered for simply being a young black man, who happened to have just robbed a convenience store, who was resisting arrest, and who attempted to tackle a cop and take his gun.
Shame on us.

#64208

Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

Let the riots begin!

#64209

If you treat the scroll-wheel on your mouse like a clit, you can get the following two quotes to appear together:

Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

katamari Damassi wrote:Is it wrong that I'm turned on?

And that's just plain wrong and you all should be ashamed.

#64210

screwtape wrote:I believe we have some military history buffs around the Pit, so I thought to share this YT link of a BBC Northern Ireland documentary about a WW1 soldier who took an illegal camera to the western front and proceeded to take some of the best photos of that war.

Thanks, it was worth logging in just to say that.

#64211

Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

Cool. I'd like some new consumer electronics and I don't want to pay for it. Also i get to make a statement and raise awareness against racism. It's a two-fer .

#64212

deLurch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:At the risk of sounding all JohnD-ish, I'd like to point out to SK7 that the ability to merge back-of-office look with front-of-office function will not be an asset on your CV.

Rego and welcome desk:
http://i.imgur.com/v3x91W2.jpg
Eh. Free conference staffed by volunteers. If they can get the job done, I sure as hell won't quibble about a non-professional front face.

A life lesson passed thru the ages:

Their drills are bloodless battles, and their battles bloody drills.

#64213

BlueShiftRhino wrote:If you treat the scroll-wheel on your mouse like a clit, you can get the following two quotes to appear together:

Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.

katamari Damassi wrote:Is it wrong that I'm turned on?
And that's just plain wrong and you all should be ashamed.

My Michael Brow - Darren Wilson sexual role play is NOT wrong. Just ask Greta Christina.

#64214

Note to self: the rule against slut-shaming over-rides any rule about PoCs

#64215

tina wrote:Does this image of Greta, at a previous Skepticon, sexually objectify women or empower and celebrate their sexuality?

Or did it just miss getting put on Matts shirt?

Wotevver. Greta thinks "I am officially, at age 48, hotter than I have ever been in my life. "Do not fuck with me. This basement is where I take people who try to tell me about Pascalâ€™s Wager."

:whistle:

What is it about feminism and self-delusion that mate so well?

#64216

Brive1987 wrote:PZ tracks down the horde at SkeptiCON. "Yep, there's a couple right there"

An aging dominatrix, some furries, a tentacle porn fetishist, several drunks and a PR team (Secular Woman) who hand out free condoms and lube for convention-goers.

Truly, the future of Atheism is here.

:banana-rainbow: :banana-rainbow: :banana-rainbow: :banana-rainbow: :banana-rainbow:

#64217

It must be nice to be PZ and be able to know exactly what happened without actually being present, or even on the Grand Jury:

Utterly unsurprising

No indictment for Darren Wilson.

He was a white cop who murdered a black teenager. Did you really expect anything else?

I'm pretty sure that you're not supposed to do the "Not surprised" thing over there though. At least, they get pissy when commenters do that.

#64218

Lol. He already banned a commenter on that thread, and memory holed what few comments were there, leaving only the first. What a petty little twerp.

#64219

BlueShiftRhino wrote:It is abundantly clear - to me, at least, given Myers' sexual orientation and the entire comment as a package - that Myers was speaking of women. So, while you are correct that he didn't say it, himself, in no uncertain words, I don't think that those of us who have interpreted Myers as having admitted to treating his female students differently from his male students are wrong.

You are welcome to your interpretation, and it's a very reasonable one at that. But I'm not intending to argue about the validity of the interpretation, so much as I am suggesting that we all ought to be more careful about clearly and explicitly distinguishing between interpretations or opinions (about which sane and reasonable people may sometimes disagree) as opposed to objective and verifiable facts (such as the actual words that Myers wrote). As well-informed and well-founded as they may be (or feel), interpretations and opinions might well be wrong.

Just adding an "IMO" or something similar is all it takes, and it goes a long way, at least for people who pay close attention to these sorts of things. Not doing so is very likely to lead to confusion and misunderstanding, or worse. Frankly, it forces people to wonder whether the person has their facts mixed up, or genuinely doesn't understand their interpretation is not fact, or understands that but just isn't making it clear, or is a liar or troll, etc. Just adding a small disclaimer or clarifier can circumvent that. I would go further and argue that it's best to use direct quotes rather than relying on subjective interpretations in the first place.

With like-minded people this may not be such an issue, but it definitely is when dealing with people who are likely to have different points of view. Just my two cents.

#64220

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.
Only in the US of A, where a young black man can be murdered for simply being a young black man, who happened to have just robbed a convenience store, who was resisting arrest, and who attempted to tackle a cop and take his gun.
Shame on us.

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Take+t ... 42cb5b.jpg

My jimmies are appeased.

How dare we exonerate police officers who kill in self-defense when attacked by a robber! Don't we know that pocks can't be held to the same legal standard as white criminals?*

*This is what SJWs actually believe

#64221

Since PZ has access to more evidence and testimony than the grand jurors did, he should share that info with the rest of us.

#64222

Oh shit guys, it's really happening.

Pol was right again.

Woah this is getting crazy.

#64223

BlueShiftRhino wrote:Damion -

Would I be correct to infer that you were joking when you wrote (on your blog):
To my great surprise about half the crowd left the PZ talk chanting â€œEFF . . . TEE . . . BULLIESâ€ and making vulgar hand signs. I presume the remaining half must not have received the memo, because they just looked puzzled.
?

You are correct.

#64224

CuntajusRationality wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:It is abundantly clear - to me, at least, given Myers' sexual orientation and the entire comment as a package - that Myers was speaking of women. So, while you are correct that he didn't say it, himself, in no uncertain words, I don't think that those of us who have interpreted Myers as having admitted to treating his female students differently from his male students are wrong.
You are welcome to your interpretation, and it's a very reasonable one at that. But I'm not intending to argue about the validity of the interpretation, so much as I am suggesting that we all ought to be more careful about clearly and explicitly distinguishing between interpretations or opinions (about which sane and reasonable people may sometimes disagree) as opposed to objective and verifiable facts (such as the actual words that Myers wrote). As well-informed and well-founded as they may be (or feel), interpretations and opinions might well be wrong.

Just adding an "IMO" or something similar is all it takes, and it goes a long way, at least for people who pay close attention to these sorts of things. Not doing so is very likely to lead to confusion and misunderstanding, or worse. Frankly, it forces people to wonder whether the person has their facts mixed up, or genuinely doesn't understand their interpretation is not fact, or understands that but just isn't making it clear, or is a liar or troll, etc. Just adding a small disclaimer or clarifier can circumvent that. I would go further and argue that it's best to use direct quotes rather than relying on subjective interpretations in the first place.

With like-minded people this may not be such an issue, but it definitely is when dealing with people who are likely to have different points of view. Just my two cents.

More than fair, such that a smart person would cease typing now.

At the risky of looking like a whiny bitch, may I request that when you counter someone else's interpretation, you not present an isolated quote, especially not one with a lead sentence - that might be crucial - missing. That's part of what I reacted so strongly to ... the suggestion that I leapt to my conclusion from only the part that you quote.

#64225

James Caruthers wrote:How dare we exonerate police officers who kill in self-defense when attacked by a robber!

Um, you do know that Wilson has said that he did not know that Brown was a suspected robber when he shot him, yes? Or are you suggesting that some pieces of knowledge can go back in time and provide the needed state of mind required for justifiable homicide?

#64226

d4m10n wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:Damion -

Would I be correct to infer that you were joking when you wrote (on your blog):
To my great surprise about half the crowd left the PZ talk chanting â€œEFF . . . TEE . . . BULLIESâ€ and making vulgar hand signs. I presume the remaining half must not have received the memo, because they just looked puzzled.
?
You are correct.

I hate you and hope that they name the bad guy in a 1970s horror movie after you for this.

#64227

BlueShiftRhino wrote:I hate you and hope that they name the bad guy in a 1970s horror movie after you for this.

Always wondered what I did to deserve that. Finally put to rest.

#64228

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1416885413783.jpg

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1416886033432.png

https://media.8chan.co/pol/src/1416881907992.jpg

https://media.8chan.co/pol/src/1416887402581.jpg

Looking confirmed. Rioting confirmed. Tear gas confirmed. Huge fire in Ferguson.

http://www.hulkusaa.com/CNN-News-Live-Streaming

:dance: :dance: :dance:

It's mostly SJWs flipping out online, this is glorious.

#64229

Just keep in mind that it's the "numbering of the beast" - as in: the numbering system used by the Romans, which, at the time, only included DCLXVI (I'll let you do the math) - and, so, the Arabic "666" had jack-shit to do with any of it, so fix the damned tattoo on your head, please.

#64230

James Caruthers wrote:It's mostly SJWs flipping out online, this is glorious.

Innocent people get killed in riots. You're being an asshole.

#64231

The comments over at PZ's have reappeared. Here's the one that merited an instaban:

mamba24

24 November 2014 at 8:57 pm

Wasnâ€™t enough evidence to convict/send to jury trial. Donâ€™t assault police officers and try n take their guns. Theyâ€™re still human beings and WILL respond aggressively. Black, white, brown, or blue. Doesnâ€™t matter what your skin color is.

[Nope. Not going to let you motherfucking racists babble here. Youâ€™re gone. â€“pzm]

Basically, banned for not agreeing.

#64232

http://i.imgur.com/0fdhZNV.png

http://i.imgur.com/utDpjXO.jpg

#64233

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:How dare we exonerate police officers who kill in self-defense when attacked by a robber!
Um, you do know that Wilson has said that he did not know that Brown was a suspected robber when he shot him, yes? Or are you suggesting that some pieces of knowledge can go back in time and provide the needed state of mind required for justifiable homicide?

Oh, so NOW we're going to spend our time debunking psychic powers instead of focusing on social justice issues.

What hath PZ wrought?

//Aside from a culture in which women are scared to report sexual misconduct by a professor...

#64234

http://i.imgur.com/3yLvr2L.jpg

Garlix · #64235

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:It's mostly SJWs flipping out online, this is glorious.
Innocent people get killed in riots. You're being an asshole.

You may have noticed that this place is not exactly brimming with empathy.

#64236

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.
Only in the US of A, where a young black man can be murdered for simply being a young black man, who happened to have just robbed a convenience store, who was resisting arrest, and who attempted to tackle a cop and take his gun.
Shame on us.

Which is why it's so odd that Brown's family is pushing for body cameras for all cops. I don't think they've realized that it will make it harder for black people to claim cop abuse in the future.

#64237

Jackie the social justice WIZZARD!!!

24 November 2014 at 10:22 pm

There are racist pieces of shit defending this travesty?

Youâ€™re less than scum, you racist filth. Get back under the rock you crawled out from under.

Theyâ€™re chanting, â€œNo justice, no peace!â€

I hope theyâ€™re right. I hope nothing stops these protests and I hope they spread.

Yeah, people getting injured, possibly killed, and businesses being burned down, with the consequent loss of of livelihoods for numerous people is pretty great. We absolutely need more of that because JUSTICE.

#64238

The cops are actually being really reasonable as far as I can tell. I've got a police scanner open and a livestream running, haven't seen anything unreasonable yet.

Meanwhile, I've seen looting, setting buildings on fire, shooting guns, toting guns, stealing, throwing trash, flash mobbing buildings to better loot them...

Over 100 cars in the lot of the being-looted-as-we-speak Toys R Us.

I have a hell of a lot more sympathy for the cops in this situation (a lot of fire and emergency services are refusing to enter the area to fight fires or tend to wounded because of the armed looters, of which there have been many) than the SJWs and race-baiters inciting violence. One protestor got his phone stolen by another protestor and blamed it on the police. Posted it on Twatter and made it part of Official Ferguson Narrative.

#64239

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:How dare we exonerate police officers who kill in self-defense when attacked by a robber!
Um, you do know that Wilson has said that he did not know that Brown was a suspected robber when he shot him, yes? Or are you suggesting that some pieces of knowledge can go back in time and provide the needed state of mind required for justifiable homicide?

Did Wilson know if Brown was punching him in the face and trying to take his gun?

#64240

tina wrote:Does this image of Greta, at a previous Skepticon, sexually objectify women or empower and celebrate their sexuality?

Or did it just miss getting put on Matts shirt?

Wotevver. Greta thinks "I am officially, at age 48, hotter than I have ever been in my life. "Do not fuck with me. This basement is where I take people who try to tell me about Pascalâ€™s Wager."

:whistle:

Well I turned 48 yesterday and I look hotter than I have ever done in my life before, if I say so myself!! But I gave up the fishnet stockings and corset at Uni several decades ago (Thank you Rocky Horror for the opportunity).

#64241

F-Bombs for Feminism Part 2 is out now.

[youtube]XbR7dmGhs3E[/youtube]

#64242

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Darren Wilson not being charged with anything for killing Michael Brown.
Only in the US of A, where a young black man can be murdered for simply being a young black man, who happened to have just robbed a convenience store, who was resisting arrest, and who attempted to tackle a cop and take his gun.
Shame on us.

Is Robin Williams going to kill himself again?

#64243

Garlix wrote:

You may have noticed that this place is not exactly brimming with empathy.

I curse you to a strange and painful death.

http://i.imgur.com/zjcQtER.jpg

#64244

Ferguson is to Bill Cosby as 9/11 was to Gary Condit.

#64245

KiwiInOz wrote:
tina wrote:Does this image of Greta, at a previous Skepticon, sexually objectify women or empower and celebrate their sexuality?

Or did it just miss getting put on Matts shirt?

Wotevver. Greta thinks "I am officially, at age 48, hotter than I have ever been in my life. "Do not fuck with me. This basement is where I take people who try to tell me about Pascalâ€™s Wager."

:whistle:
Well I turned 48 yesterday and I look hotter than I have ever done in my life before, if I say so myself!! But I gave up the fishnet stockings and corset at Uni several decades ago (Thank you Rocky Horror for the opportunity).

Moobies with saws or gtfo.

#64246

That fucking idiot at Michael Nugent's... Adam Sandler... Andy Andy Andy... or something. I can't remember. Fuck me, what a prevaricating, mendacious piece of work that thing is. Quote me Andy.
http://i.imgur.com/wycbOi7.png

#64247

http://i.imgur.com/oFb3Vj9.jpg

guest · #64248

Scientists at a gender equity in science conference (staying at the same Canberra hotel as Rebecca Watson) discover that divas make it difficult for room service.

Good job, skeptic feminists. Show the world what matters.

https://www.anonimg.com/img/6ef3a120d79 ... d5c76d.png

#64249

So I spent the day on the phone today with record stores, which really took me back to my teenage days before the Internet. Speaking of which, did you know there are still record stores?

Anyway, I had a great idea for a Christmas present for my sister, but after the Internet let me down, and after hunting every record store in Vancouver turned up nothing, I'm starting to think that this particular record simply doesn't exist anymore.

So unless someone here owns or knows someone who owns Happy Trumpets by Pedro Gonzales and his Mexican Brass, it looks like I'm going to have to think of another present for my sister.

So...what's everybody else talking about?

#64250

http://i.imgur.com/kVimJgp.jpg

He really is a complete fuckwit.

Drowning in affected white guilt while the horde squeals for the banning of anyone who dares suggest the Ferguson shooting was anything other than a racist execution.

#64251

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:How dare we exonerate police officers who kill in self-defense when attacked by a robber!
Um, you do know that Wilson has said that he did not know that Brown was a suspected robber when he shot him, yes? Or are you suggesting that some pieces of knowledge can go back in time and provide the needed state of mind required for justifiable homicide?

In his grand jury testimony, released after the decision, Wilson says he had identified Brown as a suspect in the robbery.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/officer-darre ... d=27156510

The evidence was released by the St. Louis County prosecutor Monday evening after the grand jury declined to indict Wilson.

Wilson said he had heard that someone had stolen cigarillos from the nearby Ferguson Market just before he saw two young men walking in the middle of the street, disrupting traffic.

He said that after he asked the two to move onto the sidewalk, one said, "F*** what you have to say," as they passed him.

"When he said that, it drew my attention totally to Brown," he said. "It was a very unusual and not expected response from a simple request."

Then he noticed that Brown was carrying packages of cigarillos, which had been reported stolen, he said.

#64252

Man, they're having a grand ol' moralizing time on the Ferguson thread on Pharyngula. They absolutely relish any opportunity to display how righteous they all are.

#64253

Well you have to be moral to know the right people to kill.

#64254

piero wrote:I know that Myers's CV and his daughter's comments are public, but I don't feel comfortable when they are turned into arguments. In particular, I don't like the line of criticism based on Myers's supposed failure as a scientist. Even if that were the case, it is a very, very bad argument. And publishing what SkatjeZero thinks about his father's career is not better.

I would never use any anectdotes from someone's real life in order to score points in arguments which should be strictly confined to evidence and the rules of logic.

As far as I can remember, the recapitulation of Myers' highly unimpressive scientific career has never been used as an argument here. If it were, it would, of course, be a pointless ad hominem. But it's just mocking for the sake of mocking, for someone who truly deserves to be mocked.

#64255

guest wrote:Scientists at a gender equity in science conference (staying at the same Canberra hotel as Rebecca Watson) discover that divas make it difficult for room service.

Good job, skeptic feminists. Show the world what matters.

https://www.anonimg.com/img/6ef3a120d79 ... d5c76d.png

OMG she's *here*

I'm so used to having the Pacific Ocean and continental USA running interference for me.

Now it's just Bowral.

:shock:

http://i.imgur.com/VWeIaJ6.jpg

#64256

Like any situation in which 2 sides differ vehemently on what happened, there may be at least a grain of truth in each's version. I don't feel like I know enough about the shooting of Michael Brown to come to a conclusion one way or another.

Sure seems like body cameras on cops would allow for a more objective view, after the fact, for both sides or all sides to examine & at least have something firmer to hold onto when trying to discuss what happened.

The privacy intrusion aspect does concern me, though (esp for passersby, those found not to be in violation of any law, etc). There's a discussion planned soon at work about this, as some patients arrive with a police escort, & before too long those escorts may be wearing cameras.

[anecdote so take this with a grain of salt] I recall a traffic stop in Texas that made the news a few years ago. A sweet little old grandmother had gone on TV news to tell the sad tale of how she'd been unjustly assaulted by a police officer...only it turns out the officer's dash-cam had been on the whole time and showed the situation escalating over about 15 minutes as the woman refused to cooperate: she argued with the officer, refused to comply with his requests, threatened to get out her gun (but didn't), then got out of her truck & tried to walk away along the side of the highway, then (as I recall) pushed him when he tried to stop her. At each step he maintained a polite professional demeanor and appeared to only do what he had to do to maintain safety, to try to get her to cooperate, & to use the least force needed to subdue her when she got physical with him. I found the video to be quite impressive in its ability to convey the fly-on-the-wall's view of the event as it unfolded. (And of course it would just as readily have shown the version she told on TV to be accurate, if that's how it had really happened.) [/anecdote]

#64257

Tapir wrote:http://i.imgur.com/kVimJgp.jpg

He really is a complete fuckwit.

Drowning in affected white guilt while the horde squeals for the banning of anyone who dares suggest the Ferguson shooting was anything other than a racist execution.

PZ is one with black people. He suffers with the black people. And I am sure when he passes the next black person in Morris, maybe in the next year or two, he will tell that black person how much he fears the Morris University police as they ride by him on their bikes looking for a lost cat.

#64258

Lsuoma wrote:Thanks, Screwy! Ever since my favourite UK TV torrent site closed, I've missed seeing things like this.

Do you miss them too? Somewhere out there, thousands of orphaned torrents yearn for a tracker :(

At least I got some of the Battlefield series in time. But my 2 TB credit are up in smoke.

#64259

PZ no longer considers cops his friend. I'm sure they all felt a little chill. They've never come up against anything like PZ before!

#64260

Brive1987 wrote:
guest wrote:Scientists at a gender equity in science conference (staying at the same Canberra hotel as Rebecca Watson) discover that divas make it difficult for room service.

Good job, skeptic feminists. Show the world what matters.

OMG she's *here*

I'm so used to having the Pacific Ocean and continental USA running interference for me.

Now it's just Bowral.

:shock:

http://i.imgur.com/VWeIaJ6.jpg

I'm about 100km closer. I've still got the great dividing range though