And they expect him to keep their contact information in his rolodex? Hell no. If this was not just an organization, but someone you had been dating, you would definitely cut all contact and only collect information on their harassment just in case you needed to press charges.Dick Strawkins wrote:The previous attempt at nobbling DJ Grothe even went as far as accusing him of threatening to rape Sasha Pixie!
Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...
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Well, PZ apparently hasn't been an ardent feminist since age 15. He's always been one:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/
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Janet Sybley Hyde is a favorite of HJ Hornpecker -- HJ cited her studies that found no real sex differences. She's a radfem & disciple of Lacan with a degree in psychology who teaches Gender Studies at U Wisc. It's fucking criminal that a public university allows this charlatan & woo peddler to dictate science education. Fucking Lysenkoism.Skep tickle wrote:One of the faculty members quoted in the article about University of Wisconsin starting a feminist biology postgrad, Janet Hyde, co-developed the Feminist Identity Development Scale (FIDS) in 1991. In poking around to try to find the scale, I ran across a paper by her & coauthors showing that the FIDS score increased significantly from the beginning to end of a women's studies course. Imagine that. Turns out that's what it's for....
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So I don't know if anyone has been following stuff in Ukraine at all, but self-declared Donetsk Republic officially declared civil war. Russian military is pouring in (even more that they already were, I mean). My money is on Odessa next. Response from NATO is the usual hand wringing and appeasement in case we upset the fascist dictator.
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Janet Sybley Hyde is a favorite of HJ Hornpecker -- HJ cited her studies that found no real sex differences. She's a radfem & disciple of Lacan with a degree in psychology who teaches Gender Studies at U Wisc. It's fucking criminal that a public university allows this charlatan & woo peddler to dictate science education. Fucking Lysenkoism.Skep tickle wrote:One of the faculty members quoted in the article about University of Wisconsin starting a feminist biology postgrad, Janet Hyde, co-developed the Feminist Identity Development Scale (FIDS) in 1991. In poking around to try to find the scale, I ran across a paper by her & coauthors showing that the FIDS score increased significantly from the beginning to end of a women's studies course. Imagine that. Turns out that's what it's for....
Don't write her off so quickly.
Just think of the advantages of feminist science if they manage to overthrow sexed equations such as E=mc2
Remember, as Lucy Irigary said, this equation "privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are vitally necessary to us" - not to mention preventing us from achieving faster than light interstellar transport.
What has traditional patriarchal-friendly physics ever done for us?
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Shit - this reminds of when, in my 20s, I corrected someone for writing restaurateur, insisting that it was restauranteur. And my family owned a restaurant. Thanks for the info.Guestus Aurelius wrote:A couple weeks ago I learned that the word you're looking for is "censorial," not "censorious" (the former is the adjectival form of "censor," while the latter is the adjectival form of "censure"). I'd been using "censorious" wrongly for some time, and nobody ever corrected me, so I thought I'd share.James Caruthers wrote: ... A lot of the time, we don't have it, which is why it's up to you if you want to trust to the flow of time and the censorious nature of passing governments (books were rather rare and book burning was common in the Roman Christian period) to bring you accurate information.
Do carry on with this informative discussion.
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You keep working at it, until you get what you want. What you described was the same situation for equal rights for african-americans in the united states between the end of the civil war, and well, now. I mean there's still groups loudly and proudly trying to push fairly blatant racism. What, you give up? "Oh, it's hard, there's loud mean people, I guess we'll all go home"? Note, you're complaining about OMG SOMEONE PULLED A FIRE ALARM, I'm talking about people who were burned alive, lynched, shot, attacked by dogs, you name it. Fucking fire alarms. If that's the worst thing that happens, you got off fucking easy.DaveDodo007 wrote:Huh? Pray tell, how does a very small group affect change when their voice is silenced by loud protests and pulling fire alarms and blocking and banning them at every turn. Also when your opponents use their influence in the media and academia to block you and falsely claim you are a hate group for just fighting for the rights of men and boys. How about a little experiment: go to the government or local council and ask for funds for an issue that effects women, now try and do the same for men. Then get back to me.welch wrote:And you know exactly what about me? right, so now we've established you know fuck-nothing.DaveDodo007 wrote:
Aneris set the parameters I just showed how inane that was. I doubt many MGTOWs want anything to do with AVFM and AVFM is not all of the men's right movement as their are many others. If feminism wasn't an ideology and was really interested in equal rights it would work with the MRAs. The fact that the feminists shut down MRAs voices and misrepresent them at every opportunity means the MRAs have to oppose the feminists. You would know this if you checked the facts and what has been happening during the last few years but rather than being a skeptic you just want to be a contrarian.
No, they don't have to "fight the feminists" at every turn. They WANT to do that, but they do not HAVE to do that. Fighting the feminists ala AVfM will change precisely zero unequitable laws. It will help build exactly zero shelters for men who are victims of domestic abuse. It will do exactly fuck-all nothing to help bring down the 90% under-reporting of male rape.
It will do nothing that actually fixes a single real-world problem other than Paul Elam and JTO are self-centered whiny assholes and a bra size and a vagina are the only differences between them and Zvan.
There are a lot of mens groups who are working diligently to actually fix real problems, and the cockfaces at AVfM not only don't help them, they actually hinder them, because they have to distance themselves from the whining and puling noise that lot engages in. When AVfM's activism section shows you know, stuff like fundraising to help build shelters and lobbying for equity in the laws, you just fucking let me know. But I just checked, same old same old.
Honkie please. You just keep working and trying to get more people to see the value in what you are doing, and accept that this will not happen quickly or even in your lifetime. But if you give up because it's harrrrrd, then what the fuck, you may as well go live in the woods.
Or, you can sit there in your house, and cry rage tears about the feminists and write more angry posts on AVfM about them. The way I'm talking about may take longer to happen, your way will guarantee that NOTHING happens. Which may be ultimately what you want. Because if shit gets fixed, then you're kind of at a loss for things to do.
There really isn't much of a difference between AVfM and Hensley at all, is there.
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I remember his Hordelings acting like Dawkins's autobiography was self-aggrandizing.didymos wrote:Well, PZ apparently hasn't been an ardent feminist since age 15. He's always been one:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/
What a bunch of stupid fucks.
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Ah, more ret-con, yummy. But how could Baby Peezus, born with all his privilege boxes ticked; white, male, hetero, (a bit hard up, but by 1st world standards) reason his way to enlightenment?didymos wrote:Well, PZ apparently hasn't been an ardent feminist since age 15. He's always been one:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/
Oh, he just "felt it".As long as I can remember, I’ve been one…even before I knew what it is. I felt it.
Ah, but also, Mum got a job and Dad socked her and she left. So maybe that was a clue.
Woah, woah, woah. Mum took off with the girls and left Little Paul alone with Mr Hitty?I’ll never forget what my mother did. She left. She took my sisters and moved back to stay with her parents
Really? An eight year old boy, abandoned by his mother after the most traumatic event of his young life, is proud of her for ditching him? Astounding ideological soundness in one so young!I also knew in that moment that she was also damn strong and righteous. Even if I was crying myself to sleep every night, I was proud that she had stood up for herself.
Also, "righteous"? I recall Little Paul's image of casting his enemies down into the depths yesterday and I'm starting to wonder about his choice of terminology.
...and good men can be forgiven for those mistakes. Bad men, however, are never to be forgiven, are they Peezus?I also learned that women can be strong, and that good men can make mistakes.
And years later, when I learned about thisChristianfeminist thing, my reaction was to think, “But of course…isn’t everyone?â€
Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21
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I don't always agree with you, but when I do, I agree with you like a motherfucker. Well-said.JacquesCuze wrote:Men's Right's is such a poisoned name that AVFM tried to rebrand it a year ago as Men's Human Rights.
Then as part of their rebranding process they went to a protest dressed like this
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Idiots.
Men's Rights groups would go a lot further if they tried on an active basis to change things.
That doesn't mean reacting to every scandal as your foremost activity, it means active campaigns to raise awareness and lobby for their issues and putting in time and effort on their own activities.
Right now for example, they have a raising awareness campaign based on the "Don't be that guy" poster. But that is just another REACTION campaign. Feminists were mean to me so...
When National Parents Organization lobbies for shared parenting, where is AVFM? Mostly silent until they read about it on the net. 99% of the material on AVFM about current events is REACTION.
When feminist idiots block your speech, OF COURSE you raise awareness of that. But that's not your only activity.
When feminist lobbyists try to change laws in unfavorable ways, OF COURSE you campaign against that. But that's not your only activity.
...
You do discuss feminism as you discuss any large political movement in our culture. But you do not define yourself and behave by opposition to feminism. What the fuck do you stand for? What do you do?
Does AVFM have
+ a director of lobbying
+ a calendar of events
+ a roster of volunteers (with zipcode information)
And you are honest. You encourage the good aspects of feminism, and you critique and allow critique of your own fucking movement.
About the time they switched from MRA to MHRA (and of course, what a stupid rebranding, who the fuck that they were trying to persuade will recognize the difference between MRA and MHRA (which sounds like the drag racing organization anyway)) Elam came out and said he wouldn't use "mangina" any more. But recently, I've seen it cropping back up in the articles they control editorial over, not just the comments.
Well to hell with them. The problem is they continue to poison the issues and environment for everyone. AVFM is the BP of the men's rights movement. Big and Toxic and polluting the waters and stealing the oxygen from the rest.
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PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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From a deluge of YouTube comments, it looks like a lot of right-wingers have finally discovered SJWs and are now furiously equating them with all 'liberals'. Cue another swing to the right for this hapless nation.
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The beginning of his autobiography has him springing, fully formed, from the head of Andrea Dworkin.Sulman wrote:PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
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I just wish that, if he's going to go all Ol' Time Religious, he'd adopt the King James Bible. It's great prose and a million times better than his current 'down with the kids' style. He writes like a Trendy Vicar.Sulman wrote:PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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Oh, and number 35 Marc Abian (mis?)uses the term Category Error which we recently saw discussed here.
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The "wit" of the Horde personified:
Hitler died when he was 56.
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-786736How does the 8 year old know the 57 year old man was telling the truth? They’re very gullible.
And you know who else was a 57 year old man?
Hitler.
Hitler died when he was 56.
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I thought I'd save this one.
http://i.imgur.com/m2gC8K6.jpg
By the way what's the Midnight Marauder been up to?
http://i.imgur.com/m2gC8K6.jpg
By the way what's the Midnight Marauder been up to?
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Not really. I overstated the comparison, in reality they have a long way to go before they get to the current situation with Liberia.JacquesCuze wrote: I still get the occasional Biko ear worm. Don't quiz me on SA.
Does it look like they are going the way of Liberia though?
Just colour me as me being really disappointed with how things turned out.
Jackob "Kill the Boer" Zuma I have no respect for :JacquesCuze wrote: But that is my point. They started off with acts like necklacing, but I believe they are in fact pretty well respected these days.
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Go ahead and look him up. There is plenty of material. As for the miners, they go on strike and the security forces kill them. New Masters same as the old masters. New faces and the same old shit.
Yep. I am bitter.
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And this is how the middle gets fucked. Nutbars on the left. Nutbars on the right. It shifts back & forth so that we get the worst of both worlds.ROBOKiTTY wrote:From a deluge of YouTube comments, it looks like a lot of right-wingers have finally discovered SJWs and are now furiously equating them with all 'liberals'. Cue another swing to the right for this hapless nation.
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That's what the cisgender patriarchy WANTS you to think.Pitchguest wrote:The "wit" of the Horde personified:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-786736How does the 8 year old know the 57 year old man was telling the truth? They’re very gullible.
And you know who else was a 57 year old man?
Hitler.
Hitler died when he was 56.
[youtube]tKdcjJoXeEY[/youtube]
Wake up, sheeple! :icon-ugeek:
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Kiev should send in some of their invisible ninja crack troops like they did in Svyatogorsk- that ought to scare those Russians off.LurkerPerson wrote:So I don't know if anyone has been following stuff in Ukraine at all, but self-declared Donetsk Republic officially declared civil war. Russian military is pouring in (even more that they already were, I mean). My money is on Odessa next. Response from NATO is the usual hand wringing and appeasement in case we upset the fascist dictator.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014 ... raine-town
WWII history repeating itself- second time as a farce?Residents said they were surprised to learn of Kiev's announcement, saying pro-Russian rebels had never tried to seize their town.
"It's very calm here and has always been very calm," said a local who gave his first name as Miron.
Kiev on Tuesday declared it was resuming an "anti-terrorist" operation to flush the separatists out of around 10 towns they are occupying in Ukraine's east.
The beginning of the operation last week resulted in a couple of embarrassing failures, with the rebels notably stealing six armoured personnel carriers from the army, which managed to recover two of them later on.
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Using words such as 'righteous' sounds massive alarm bells for me. It also seems he is trying to justify his Mothers actions. They may well have been justified but no child his age would grasp that when going through an emotional crisis. He is so used to revisionism he even manages to fool himself.Sulman wrote:PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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No surprise here. As soon asLurkerPerson wrote:So I don't know if anyone has been following stuff in Ukraine at all, but self-declared Donetsk Republic officially declared civil war. Russian military is pouring in (even more that they already were, I mean). My money is on Odessa next. Response from NATO is the usual hand wringing and appeasement in case we upset the fascist dictator.
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Looks like he's gone full Icke...Sulman wrote:PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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Well, he won't be too impressed with Pathfinder either (a D and D clone for those interested) Half my group are female and we have one gay guy (no, he does not play Elfs even when we wanted him to for the luls) I better tell them all to grow up.Pitchguest wrote:The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
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Dude just registered here.Pitchguest wrote:The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
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Honestly, he and much of his Horde (not all; I did notice several reacting unhappily to his swipe against Warhammer, though for some it was only because he was being "ageist") are basing their nerd stereotype seemingly on '80s comedies.JackSkeptic wrote:Well, he won't be too impressed with Pathfinder either (a D and D clone for those interested) Half my group are female and we have one gay guy (no, he does not play Elfs even when we wanted him to for the luls) I better tell them all to grow up.
Someone should let them know that they're not jocks.
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I seem to recall AVfM does do some activism. I do not recall them doing this type though:welch wrote: Or, you can sit there in your house, and cry rage tears about the feminists and write more angry posts on AVfM about them. The way I'm talking about may take longer to happen, your way will guarantee that NOTHING happens. Which may be ultimately what you want. Because if shit gets fixed, then you're kind of at a loss for things to do.
There really isn't much of a difference between AVfM and Hensley at all, is there.
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How much would someone have to donate to get you to post a video of you LARPing like that one with those fuckwits we saw earlier? I'd be very tempted to splash the cash if I could get to see you in action.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Thankfully, she went in peace. There was no (unbearable) pain, but her body just decided it was time to let go. I'll miss her.
Now, to elevate my spirit, show my principled solidarity with whatever crowd-sourcing the SJL have going on, and to definitely not ever buy a single pair of Fluevogs: donate!
(For realz this time. Patreon stuff is way too messy, so here goes Indiegogo and their leniency/integrity)
If Pitters order a shirt, I'll be sure to included a hand-crayoned* drawing of a dick.
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When I saw his use of the word Righteous, all I could think was of him as the Fifth Horseman. Big Hovind, Little Hovind, Ham, Comfort…. and little PZ carrying the luggage and serving coffee.real horrorshow wrote:I just wish that, if he's going to go all Ol' Time Religious, he'd adopt the King James Bible. It's great prose and a million times better than his current 'down with the kids' style. He writes like a Trendy Vicar.Sulman wrote:PZ carries on like this he's going to be dribbling in a padded cell somewhere. He's getting worse and appears to have no facility for self-correction.real horrorshow wrote: Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21[/b]
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Several years ago, I worked for a person named Kenyon Wells who was featured in a documentary called Darkon, which is all about LARPing. It's a fascinating look into a subculture that I didn't even know existed.bhoytony wrote:How much would someone have to donate to get you to post a video of you LARPing like that one with those fuckwits we saw earlier? I'd be very tempted to splash the cash if I could get to see you in action.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Thankfully, she went in peace. There was no (unbearable) pain, but her body just decided it was time to let go. I'll miss her.
Now, to elevate my spirit, show my principled solidarity with whatever crowd-sourcing the SJL have going on, and to definitely not ever buy a single pair of Fluevogs: donate!
(For realz this time. Patreon stuff is way too messy, so here goes Indiegogo and their leniency/integrity)
If Pitters order a shirt, I'll be sure to included a hand-crayoned* drawing of a dick.
*If I have any left after my afternoon snack. The crayons, that is, not the dicks!
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This is too good not to share.Pitchguest wrote:The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/PZ, from his original post wrote: There were stresses and strains. I know my father was torn up because he was struggling so hard to meet that traditional male role as the breadwinner, and he wasn’t doing so well…and there was also a problem of binge drinking.
And then, my mother got a job to help out. And my parents argued. I knew that wasn’t right; if Dad can work, why can’t Mom? And then one night they fought. My father actually slapped my mother. I didn’t see it, but my sisters did, and they immediately started such wailing and crying and running through the house — that was wrong. Our parents were in love, they never ever hit each other. We were in total shock.
(bolding mine)konradcurze wrote:“I was eight years old. I learned that forcing people into traditional roles tore them apartâ€
I find this a very simplistic view of the situation. For the record, your father hitting your mother was wrong, Full stop, end of story, no amount of logic can ever make that action OK. I do wonder however just how well an 8 year old can assess a very complex situation as the one you have described.
Money problems causes a lot of stress. Maybe your father was a chauvinistic pig who didn’t think women should work. I simply cant say. From my reading of your account however let me state another hypothesis.
Your family was struggling financially. Your father was doing everything in his power to raise his children as best he could but through no fault of his own he was failing. The argument to my mind seems more about should both parents work or should one stay at home. Your father already had a job and was unwilling to give this up, your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone.
Had your mother got a job under different circumstances I would suggest that the outcome would have been different. I fail to see how feminism is equipped to handle this situation
Here is PZ's first response:
Except with bold red 48 point font.PZ wrote: konradcurze: You’re an idiot. You’re now reading my dead father’s mind, and trying to blame my mother.
Fuck off.
Does anyone else have trouble seeing how konradcurze's hypothesis puts any blame on the mother at all?
I get the distinct impression that PZ is incapable of understanding a dispute or negative social situation without using the "good guy"/"bad guy" dichotomies of toddlers.
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Here's all I need to know:CuntajusRationality wrote:Several years ago, I worked for a person named Kenyon Wells who was featured in a documentary called Darkon, which is all about LARPing. It's a fascinating look into a subculture that I didn't even know existed.bhoytony wrote:How much would someone have to donate to get you to post a video of you LARPing like that one with those fuckwits we saw earlier? I'd be very tempted to splash the cash if I could get to see you in action.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Thankfully, she went in peace. There was no (unbearable) pain, but her body just decided it was time to let go. I'll miss her.
Now, to elevate my spirit, show my principled solidarity with whatever crowd-sourcing the SJL have going on, and to definitely not ever buy a single pair of Fluevogs: donate!
(For realz this time. Patreon stuff is way too messy, so here goes Indiegogo and their leniency/integrity)
If Pitters order a shirt, I'll be sure to included a hand-crayoned* drawing of a dick.
*If I have any left after my afternoon snack. The crayons, that is, not the dicks!
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:romance-grouphug:welch wrote:I don't always agree with you, but when I do, I agree with you like a motherfucker. Well-said.JacquesCuze wrote:
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Another thing, I was not going to say anything but I have to get this off my chest.
I do not celebrate Burns day not because I hate him or anything, in fact let us give credit where credit is due. The man could write, and I have nothing again those who want to praise him.
But Rabbie was a lowlander.
I do not celebrate Burns day not because I hate him or anything, in fact let us give credit where credit is due. The man could write, and I have nothing again those who want to praise him.
But Rabbie was a lowlander.
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That one I'd give him, because usually the first time people learn about feminism they are told "feminism is just thinking that women are humans too!", "feminism is about equality for everyone!", "feminism is equal pay for equal work", and all that stuff. It deliberately presented exactly as something that would make most people go "isn't everyone?".real horrorshow wrote:And years later, when I learned about thisChristianfeminist thing, my reaction was to think, “But of course…isn’t everyone?â€
Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? - Isaiah 40:21
It's later down the line you see the "SFTU YOU DISGUSTING WHITE HETERO CIS MAN! CHECK YOUR PRIVILIGE!!!" feminists justifying their own sexism and racism with home-cooked definitions, or spot that "equality" to feminists can mean something completely different than what you think it does...
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For the record I thought he would have been satisfied with the Crimea. Not looking like that now though.Lsuoma wrote:No surprise here. As soon asLurkerPerson wrote:So I don't know if anyone has been following stuff in Ukraine at all, but self-declared Donetsk Republic officially declared civil war. Russian military is pouring in (even more that they already were, I mean). My money is on Odessa next. Response from NATO is the usual hand wringing and appeasement in case we upset the fascist dictator.StalPutin went boots-in in Crimea, it was clear he wasn't going to stop.
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Putin will seize Donetsk and Kharkiv and he may send troops in the direction of Kiev before "yielding" to UN and other international pressure. And the West will wimp out and breath a sigh of relief that Putin has only pocketed half the country.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
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Yeah, I can see that actually. It's not a strong linkage, but I can in fact see that: "...your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone."Old_ones wrote:This is too good not to share.Pitchguest wrote:The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/PZ, from his original post wrote: There were stresses and strains. I know my father was torn up because he was struggling so hard to meet that traditional male role as the breadwinner, and he wasn’t doing so well…and there was also a problem of binge drinking.
And then, my mother got a job to help out. And my parents argued. I knew that wasn’t right; if Dad can work, why can’t Mom? And then one night they fought. My father actually slapped my mother. I didn’t see it, but my sisters did, and they immediately started such wailing and crying and running through the house — that was wrong. Our parents were in love, they never ever hit each other. We were in total shock.
(bolding mine)konradcurze wrote:“I was eight years old. I learned that forcing people into traditional roles tore them apartâ€
I find this a very simplistic view of the situation. For the record, your father hitting your mother was wrong, Full stop, end of story, no amount of logic can ever make that action OK. I do wonder however just how well an 8 year old can assess a very complex situation as the one you have described.
Money problems causes a lot of stress. Maybe your father was a chauvinistic pig who didn’t think women should work. I simply cant say. From my reading of your account however let me state another hypothesis.
Your family was struggling financially. Your father was doing everything in his power to raise his children as best he could but through no fault of his own he was failing. The argument to my mind seems more about should both parents work or should one stay at home. Your father already had a job and was unwilling to give this up, your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone.
Had your mother got a job under different circumstances I would suggest that the outcome would have been different. I fail to see how feminism is equipped to handle this situation
Here is PZ's first response:
Except with bold red 48 point font.PZ wrote: konradcurze: You’re an idiot. You’re now reading my dead father’s mind, and trying to blame my mother.
Fuck off.
Does anyone else have trouble seeing how konradcurze's hypothesis puts any blame on the mother at all?
I get the distinct impression that PZ is incapable of understanding a dispute or negative social situation without using the "good guy"/"bad guy" dichotomies of toddlers.
It's kind of "your mother shat on his ego".
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That was a given. We're not going to war with Russia over the Ukraine.LurkerPerson wrote:Putin will seize Donetsk and Kharkiv and he may send troops in the direction of Kiev before "yielding" to UN and other international pressure. And the West will wimp out and breath a sigh of relief that Putin has only pocketed half the country.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
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Of course, just like Czechoslovakia wasn't worth going to war with Germany. You must be kidding yourself if you think Ukraine is the only imperialist claim of the neo-fascist russian regime. Putin has made no bones about his desire to reclaim all the areas of the former soviet empire.
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Just let the man accuse his dead father of malice in peace.welch wrote:Yeah, I can see that actually. It's not a strong linkage, but I can in fact see that: "...your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone."
It's kind of "your mother shat on his ego".
Okay, I actually agree with you that it is technically blaming, it's of a lower order and doesn't suggest that she should have acted differently.
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Agreed. I just hope the west-leaning Ukrainians give Russia an endless pile of shit to deal with. Most people don't like it when their country is taken over. I wonder if Russia will have more trouble than Ukraine is worth.welch wrote:That was a given. We're not going to war with Russia over the Ukraine.LurkerPerson wrote:Putin will seize Donetsk and Kharkiv and he may send troops in the direction of Kiev before "yielding" to UN and other international pressure. And the West will wimp out and breath a sigh of relief that Putin has only pocketed half the country.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
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Meh nm that's from 10 days ago, I fail at reading.
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Well, what do you know: karmacat is a psychiatrist. In your face, John!
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From what I read, the Russians were pushing for a splitting of Ukraine into an eastern pro-Russia state, and western pro-west state. I can see them sticking to that, since they would create a friendly buffer state on their border, and not have to worry about the problems that the pro-western elements would be stirring up.John D wrote:Agreed. I just hope the west-leaning Ukrainians give Russia an endless pile of shit to deal with. Most people don't like it when their country is taken over. I wonder if Russia will have more trouble than Ukraine is worth.welch wrote:That was a given. We're not going to war with Russia over the Ukraine.LurkerPerson wrote:Putin will seize Donetsk and Kharkiv and he may send troops in the direction of Kiev before "yielding" to UN and other international pressure. And the West will wimp out and breath a sigh of relief that Putin has only pocketed half the country.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
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Well, deep down, Pissy IS a toddler. He gets his kicks by cracker-smashing and crying "MISOGYNIST!" and being an asshole for attention. His entire blogging career has been a series of increasingly inane tantrums.Old_ones wrote:This is too good not to share.Pitchguest wrote:The comments on PZ "Science works, bitches" Myers' post about his feminism is hilarious, mostly because of PZ himself.
Someone called konradcurze commented (WH40K fans might recall the name) and PZ flips out. Like, completely fucking loses it.
It culminates with this post (after he banned him, of course) where he seemingly doxxes him, and then belittles fans of WH40K by insinuating only children like it (which, by the way, is enjoyed by many women as well). Fucking brilliant you are, PZ. You can put that in your next book, "The Fappy Atheist" - complete with hentai tentacle porn on the cover.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -feminist/PZ, from his original post wrote: There were stresses and strains. I know my father was torn up because he was struggling so hard to meet that traditional male role as the breadwinner, and he wasn’t doing so well…and there was also a problem of binge drinking.
And then, my mother got a job to help out. And my parents argued. I knew that wasn’t right; if Dad can work, why can’t Mom? And then one night they fought. My father actually slapped my mother. I didn’t see it, but my sisters did, and they immediately started such wailing and crying and running through the house — that was wrong. Our parents were in love, they never ever hit each other. We were in total shock.
(bolding mine)konradcurze wrote:“I was eight years old. I learned that forcing people into traditional roles tore them apartâ€
I find this a very simplistic view of the situation. For the record, your father hitting your mother was wrong, Full stop, end of story, no amount of logic can ever make that action OK. I do wonder however just how well an 8 year old can assess a very complex situation as the one you have described.
Money problems causes a lot of stress. Maybe your father was a chauvinistic pig who didn’t think women should work. I simply cant say. From my reading of your account however let me state another hypothesis.
Your family was struggling financially. Your father was doing everything in his power to raise his children as best he could but through no fault of his own he was failing. The argument to my mind seems more about should both parents work or should one stay at home. Your father already had a job and was unwilling to give this up, your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone.
Had your mother got a job under different circumstances I would suggest that the outcome would have been different. I fail to see how feminism is equipped to handle this situation
Here is PZ's first response:
Except with bold red 48 point font.PZ wrote: konradcurze: You’re an idiot. You’re now reading my dead father’s mind, and trying to blame my mother.
Fuck off.
Does anyone else have trouble seeing how konradcurze's hypothesis puts any blame on the mother at all?
I get the distinct impression that PZ is incapable of understanding a dispute or negative social situation without using the "good guy"/"bad guy" dichotomies of toddlers.
On another note, I see he's still pulling that childish "MY tastes are far superior to those of you plebians!" shit. Maybe someone ought to explain to him the concept of different people having different opinions.
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But konradcurze attacked (okay, gently hinted at the possibility that the situation might be a bit too complicated for the brain of a 57 year old man or an 8 year old) a woman AND a victim of domestic violence (In SJL world that's a double score, the rest of us would call it a tautology in SJL ideology). I'm sure she was a saint.Sunder wrote:Just let the man accuse his dead father of malice in peace.welch wrote:Yeah, I can see that actually. It's not a strong linkage, but I can in fact see that: "...your mother got a job and in your fathers eyes abandoned the kids. Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face. This would have increased the stress of everyone."
It's kind of "your mother shat on his ego".
Okay, I actually agree with you that it is technically blaming, it's of a lower order and doesn't suggest that she should have acted differently.
Then again, I guess he's just being PeeZee with no rhyme nor reason to his ramblings. He doesn't need more to whip his horde into a frenzy.
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Dear Muslima. :bjarte:welch wrote:You keep working at it, until you get what you want. What you described was the same situation for equal rights for african-americans in the united states between the end of the civil war, and well, now. I mean there's still groups loudly and proudly trying to push fairly blatant racism. What, you give up? "Oh, it's hard, there's loud mean people, I guess we'll all go home"? Note, you're complaining about OMG SOMEONE PULLED A FIRE ALARM, I'm talking about people who were burned alive, lynched, shot, attacked by dogs, you name it. Fucking fire alarms. If that's the worst thing that happens, you got off fucking easy.DaveDodo007 wrote:Huh? Pray tell, how does a very small group affect change when their voice is silenced by loud protests and pulling fire alarms and blocking and banning them at every turn. Also when your opponents use their influence in the media and academia to block you and falsely claim you are a hate group for just fighting for the rights of men and boys. How about a little experiment: go to the government or local council and ask for funds for an issue that effects women, now try and do the same for men. Then get back to me.welch wrote:
And you know exactly what about me? right, so now we've established you know fuck-nothing.
No, they don't have to "fight the feminists" at every turn. They WANT to do that, but they do not HAVE to do that. Fighting the feminists ala AVfM will change precisely zero unequitable laws. It will help build exactly zero shelters for men who are victims of domestic abuse. It will do exactly fuck-all nothing to help bring down the 90% under-reporting of male rape.
It will do nothing that actually fixes a single real-world problem other than Paul Elam and JTO are self-centered whiny assholes and a bra size and a vagina are the only differences between them and Zvan.
There are a lot of mens groups who are working diligently to actually fix real problems, and the cockfaces at AVfM not only don't help them, they actually hinder them, because they have to distance themselves from the whining and puling noise that lot engages in. When AVfM's activism section shows you know, stuff like fundraising to help build shelters and lobbying for equity in the laws, you just fucking let me know. But I just checked, same old same old.
Honkie please. You just keep working and trying to get more people to see the value in what you are doing, and accept that this will not happen quickly or even in your lifetime. But if you give up because it's harrrrrd, then what the fuck, you may as well go live in the woods.
Or, you can sit there in your house, and cry rage tears about the feminists and write more angry posts on AVfM about them. The way I'm talking about may take longer to happen, your way will guarantee that NOTHING happens. Which may be ultimately what you want. Because if shit gets fixed, then you're kind of at a loss for things to do.
There really isn't much of a difference between AVfM and Hensley at all, is there.
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When I said that Melody Hensley and her ilk are cancerous to the atheist community, that's what I was talking about. To the people that felt sorry for her and thought that I was bordering "hate speech" against the Kabuki Kow: MANY WHELPS! NOW HANDLE IT!ROBOKiTTY wrote:From a deluge of YouTube comments, it looks like a lot of right-wingers have finally discovered SJWs and are now furiously equating them with all 'liberals'. Cue another swing to the right for this hapless nation.
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Either PeeZee has some Daddy/Mommy issues and Knoradcurze triggered him, or he understands the English language worse than I do.Old_ones wrote:
Does anyone else have trouble seeing how konradcurze's hypothesis puts any blame on the mother at all?
I get the distinct impression that PZ is incapable of understanding a dispute or negative social situation without using the "good guy"/"bad guy" dichotomies of toddlers.
So, should I go there and post a comment asking him if he's the product of a drunkard wife-beater and a whore just to see if he loses it?
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PZ used to be a feminist blastocyst floating inside his mother's uterus.
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I'd be shocked if Putin didn't go for Kiev at some point. Kiev is too important to the Russian myth. And what can the world do about it? I wouldn't want the US involved in a war for the Ukraine.LurkerPerson wrote:Putin will seize Donetsk and Kharkiv and he may send troops in the direction of Kiev before "yielding" to UN and other international pressure. And the West will wimp out and breath a sigh of relief that Putin has only pocketed half the country.
The game being played now isn't whether Russia can walk out the door with Crimea, but how much more of the Ukraine before it is forced by various pressures to stop.
If there is no pressure, and given the limp-wristed response so far I wouldn't be surprised, it's going to be full annexation.
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Southern wrote:Either PeeZee has some Daddy/Mommy issues and Knoradcurze triggered him, or he understands the English language worse than I do.Old_ones wrote:
Does anyone else have trouble seeing how konradcurze's hypothesis puts any blame on the mother at all?
I get the distinct impression that PZ is incapable of understanding a dispute or negative social situation without using the "good guy"/"bad guy" dichotomies of toddlers.
So, should I go there and post a comment asking him if he's the product of a drunkard wife-beater and a whore just to see if he loses it?
That word, unwilling, blames the mother, because it means she could back down, but chose not to. "Unable" would be less blaming. On the whole I don't find Konradcurze's interpretation, via Internet and 49 years after it occurred, any more credible than PZ's. PZ's is marked by the fact he was a child unable to interpret much of what was presented and not present for tons of context.Your father probably was thinking about the cost of the child care compared to the extra income. Your mother, unwilling to back down was (unintentionally) rubbing your fathers failure in his face
We don't know how often the couple fought. Whether they hit each other, or she hit him at other times. We don't know what external forces were on him. We don't know that it was about childcare or not about childcare. We don't know it was abandonment. We don't know it was ego.
We especially don't know this:
How does PZ know this? He doesn't tell us. Did he hear his father make statements to that effect, or does "know" mean PZ's lack of direct knowledge and only his interpretation? We don't know that the fights were over some patriarchal traditional role model feeling Dad had towards mom's working. We only have PZ's interpretation from a child's eyes plus 49 years to go on.I know my father was torn up because he was struggling so hard to meet that traditional male role as the breadwinner
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And then, my mother got a job to help out. And my parents argued. I knew that wasn’t right; if Dad can work, why can’t Mom?
Kids are not reliable witnesses. I assume mother and father loved the kids and loved each other, REGARDLESS, a kid separated from his parent living with the other parent is almost certainly going to interpret the situation differently than any independent outside observer.
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And since almost none of them are bastions of democracy and human rights should we even care which strongman is in power?LurkerPerson wrote:Of course, just like Czechoslovakia wasn't worth going to war with Germany. You must be kidding yourself if you think Ukraine is the only imperialist claim of the neo-fascist russian regime. Putin has made no bones about his desire to reclaim all the areas of the former soviet empire.
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Are you "Boo" or "Boo-urns"?AndrewV69 wrote:Another thing, I was not going to say anything but I have to get this off my chest.
I do not celebrate Burns day not because I hate him or anything, in fact let us give credit where credit is due. The man could write, and I have nothing again those who want to praise him.
But Rabbie was a lowlander.
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FUCK!katamari Damassi wrote:Are you "Boo" or "Boo-urns"?AndrewV69 wrote:Another thing, I was not going to say anything but I have to get this off my chest.
I do not celebrate Burns day not because I hate him or anything, in fact let us give credit where credit is due. The man could write, and I have nothing again those who want to praise him.
But Rabbie was a lowlander.
Was supposed to say: Are you saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns"?
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Regarding Peezus and his obvious ire concerning his childhood incident, I think people are missing the main point.
It's clear to me that the entire post was done purposefully, with the intent of showing his disgust at, and zero tolerance of, domestic violence.
While I don't know the truth of this, rumors have it that TAM have invited a speaker this year who has been previously arrested on a charge of domestic violence!
I suspect Peezus has heard the same rumors, and this post is simply a warm-up for his main post in which he condemns the JREF for inviting this man (it's bound to have been a man, isn't it?) and exposing and shaming the guilty perp! :twisted:
It's clear to me that the entire post was done purposefully, with the intent of showing his disgust at, and zero tolerance of, domestic violence.
While I don't know the truth of this, rumors have it that TAM have invited a speaker this year who has been previously arrested on a charge of domestic violence!
I suspect Peezus has heard the same rumors, and this post is simply a warm-up for his main post in which he condemns the JREF for inviting this man (it's bound to have been a man, isn't it?) and exposing and shaming the guilty perp! :twisted: