4 January 2014 at 3:09 pm (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Re: David: â€œâ€¦ Å½ivkoviÄ‡ has said as little as he thought was possible, and it got neither him nor his victims anywhere. Explanation, coming clean on everything, is the only hope.â€
This is what bugs me the most about the whole thing. Thereâ€™s been a pattern among Bora and his supporters of minimising or glossing over what he did. Supporters have suggested that there were only a couple of incidents, or described his actions as â€˜inappropriate commentsâ€™, or similar (Zuikerâ€™s post is almost Orwellian on this). Bora himself lied about the extent of his problem in his original apologies, then erased the incidents from his review of the year, then tried to isolate the three women involved from the rest of the community when he eventually posted an â€˜apologyâ€™. He continues now to tweet away essentially as if nothing had happened, making only the barest possible concessions at each step, and praising the friends who write these history-altering bullshit narratives about him.
I would have a lot more time for him if he:
a) publicly called out people like Zuiker who were spinning false narratives about what he did;
b) set out in brutally honest terms a proper admission of what he did;
c) apologised sincerely for that,
and d) explained the steps he is taking to ensure he is not in a position to ever do the same again.
Iâ€™m not saying those things would magically change my opinion of the guy overnight, but they would at least show that he understood and accepted that he had a problem that needed dealing with.
Fucking, Christ. This was a business and personal matter. It was NOT FOR YOUR FUCKING PUBLIC CONSUMPTION and you have NO FUCKING RIGHTS TO TELL ANYONE INVOLVED WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, YOU RUBBER-NECKING VAMPIRE!
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest...
Also, coming from the perspective of having been a professional witness providing expert testimony, including rebuttal testimony, in my day, I have to remain skeptical of the full claim as I only saw a 'slice' of the communications. I very well recognize that a person making the charges will put on the best possible case and tend to leave-out the exculpatory information and spin what information they do release in the most negative light possible. And without full disclosure of ALL relevant emails, final judgment is best reserved instead of rushed into.
It's like that "Michael Shermer is a rapist because he refilled my wine glass" woman. He didn't refill her wine glass. She was at a public function with an open bar and there were servers who refilled her wine glass. She got drunk and Shermer didn't have a damn thing to do with it. And the whole incident, where she got totally pissed and had to be taken home by a friend, was well known and on the JREF forums where she (herself) said she had a great time, but drank too much.
Yet, if we take her very edited and recast "Shermer is a Rapist" bandwagon jumping claim as 'truth,' we might think "Oh, there must be something to it, because we have this supporting story..." When, in fact, it was just out-of-context and deliberately mis-stated load of horse-crap because she had to have a share of the spotlight.
Which gets me to my next point. All this Bora stuff happened during the Shermer, Krauss, etc. feeding frenzy. A period when accusations and counter accusations of horrible male conduct were flying, from the SJW brigade, fast-and-furious.
So, yeah, having seen to the lows the SJW and Professional Victim crowd goes to twist everything into abuse and victimzation...
I can't help but wonder how much of this was recast for a moment in the spotlight. I also wonder how much of this is Bora being Bora and has he ever had the kinds of conversations with men. Because if he has, then it really is a big, fat nothing. If not, well, it's inappropriate in a work environment and some type of censure by his employer was appropriate.
However, the fucking Internet SJW Goon Squad is owed nothing and Bora has every right to rebuild his life without another goddamn apology. But if any of you lurking assholes want one, here's a sincere one from me, on Bora's behalf:
That is all...