Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

[Sulman]

I'm waiting for the one big walk-off. In these groups, there's usually at least one person who is smart enough to see the writing on the wall. As soon as that happens, they will start savagely feeding on each other, and the whole thing will collapse.

It's inevitable, because their philosophy is founded on hatred.

[Liesmith]

It's pretty simple: testimony is evidence, but only if the person giving the testimony is trustworthy. Now, if that person gives the testimony to a member of their Web of Trustâ„¢, then the range of Trustworthiness is extended by one. If the new person repeats the testimony to someone in their own Web of Trustâ„¢, then the Trustworthiness is further extended. This maneuver can be repeated once per Web of Trustâ„¢ member, and the effects last until the end of your next turn.

[Jan Steen]

This tells you all you need to know about Alex Gabriel.

I first encountered things like feminism and social justice largely through the atheist scene – I came of age reading Skepchick, Butterflies and Wheels and Greta Christina’s Blog – and I think it’s valuable, vital in fact, to view our movement through those kinds of frameworks. I’m not convinced, though, that it’s enough to switch between discourses as I’ve found myself doing; to blog on atheism some days and queerness others. The most exciting thoughts I’ve had in skepticism have been listening to Pragna Patel, Sikivu Hutchinson or Natalie Reed, in whose work secularity and social justice collide and complete, coherent modes of thinking germinate which speak to both.

Just another pretentious, third rate moron who can't write and who can safely be ignored.

I don't know, this has the potential for hilarity. This person learned at the feet of such minds as Ophie, Reed, bad porn lady, and Discount Angela Davis.

From what I have seen he is too boring to become hilarious. It's just tedious drivel, in such quantities it makes you think drivel was at a discount.

By the way, linky for the Nerd of Redhead quote:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670388

[zenbabe]

Yeah, I know, I was yanking the chains of the cognoscenti Incidentally I remember various non-privileged Horde people discussing their favorite single malts on Pharyngula once, with one genius stating that it should only only be drunk with spring water from the source used to make the mash.

Totally derped that for you, apologies Punt.

Fingergate?
Congate?
Hysteriagate?
Groupthinkgate?
Weirdlyhardtogategate?

[Guest]

I'm worried that Nerd is having an aneurysm. He's now resorted to just using MRA as an adjective he appends to everything!

#184

For example, my opinion is that Mr. Myers was morally incorrect to not go through the proper legal channels in making a serious charge against Mr. Shermer.

What are those proper legal channels for a warning the MS is a sexual predator, and women should stay away from him, and be aware of the MO he uses? We aren’t radical feminists. We are simple feminists. You are a radical MRA fuckwit.

Nerd is clearly pleased with himself for coming up with 'radical MRA fuckwit' (but aren't all MRAs radical fuckwits by definition, Nerd? In which case, you've just used a pleonasm), as he blurts it out again:

#188

a perspective within feminism that focuses on the hypothesis of patriarchy as a system of power that organizes society into a complex of relationships based on the assertion that male supremacy oppresses women.

No hypothesis. Patriarchy exists, exihibited by the radical MRA fuckwits who try to stifle debate with aggressive tactics including rape threats, disruption of normal activities, and blacklisting those who don’t let them harass and rape women with impunity.

And again...

#224

I, perhaps mistakenly, thought that there might be a reasoned discussion possible here, if not, there’ll be no more posts after this one.

That would be fine I you were offering a reasoned discussion. You aren’t. Too many presuppositional tells of a radical MRA fuckwit.

Not content with this, he decides he needs to flesh out his idea of the radical MRA fuckwit's agenda...

#254

You don’t have a mind that understands various types of evidence. If you did, you would understand two things. This isn’t a court of law, and the OP was intended as a warning to women to avoid a known predator, with corroborating evidence of his predations. The second is that pretending to not take sides when clear and convincing corroborating testimony is given means you have and agenda. The MRA agenda.

...and draw attention to their tactics:

#263

Would you be convinced of PZ’s guilt based on the same evidence?

Gee, corroborating testimony from several independent women, plus known backside gossip? Very likely. But there isn’t any. Just made up bullshit from the MRA intimidators, aggressor, and would be harassers and rapists.

Last, but not least, we need a characterisation of MRA rhetorical trickery, to wit, hyperbole (and not just your garden-variety sort neither):

#265

but I think it’s worth listening to his side before convicting him.

Show me the court of law here? Otherwise, your statement is nothing but MRA hyperbole. Fuckwittery in other words. Nobody is convicted, nobody is punished, nobody has anything sticking to them that wasn’t there before. Just a little more stuff adhering.

He leaves the best until last though...

#281

If the information is out there,

Hypotheticals are an MRA non-sequitur technique to avoid having to look at situation. A warning to women, not a criminal charge. The evidence is clear and compeling to anybody who isn’t dismissing the women’s word. Why are you dismissing their word? Why the inane hypotheticals, typical of someone who has no argument and evidence?

Hypotheticals are an MRA technique! Little did Socrates know, as he asked his followers to imagine the moral implications of owning Gyges' ring, conveying invisibility, that he was the world's first MRA.

[Sulman]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.

Asking questions is bad. Humans are fallen, terrible creatures who must understand their fallibility and willingly sacrifice themselves to enable the next witch to be drowned.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

The artists who never got paid for their original work, is who.

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

You equate lifting a riff here or there, to recording complete covers of other people's songs and crediting yourself as the songwriter. The former is extremely common; the latter is how Led Zeppelin created (sic) 3/4 of the material on their first four albums. Christ, they even stole the band's name from John Entwistle!

[bovarchist]

Yeah, I know, I was yanking the chains of the cognoscenti Incidentally I remember various non-privileged Horde people discussing their favorite single malts on Pharyngula once, with one genius stating that it should only only be drunk with spring water from the source used to make the mash.

Totally derped that for you, apologies Punt.

Fingergate?
Congate?
Hysteriagate?
Groupthinkgate?
Weirdlyhardtogategate?

It's the 'gate to end all 'gates.
AKA Masturgate.

[Guestheist]

what version of tapatalk would you guys recommend for Android?

[Southern]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

I never really paid attention to the lyrics of Led Zepplin before. They are more banal than I thought when I couldn't understand what they are saying. Kind of like a drunk and even more pretentious version of Rush.

Holy fuck, I hate Led Zepplin.

And there's where I part ways with the skeptics movement. All this rape and mysoginy I can tolerate, but someone hating on Led Zeppelin? I'm so stressed and shocked, I developed PSTD. Guys, don't do that.

At least I'll have my blog and all the avid donators.

[Steersman]

We interrupt this somber swansong for a very important message:

Steersman is bothering me.

http://i.imgur.com/1Q7ILJM.png

The self-involved brat who just crapped all over Al is self-involved to the very end.

That’s a real hoot – thanks for the heads-up. I assume you’re referring to this post from Sarah Jones whose call to arms seems to have had the desired effect – at least several of “The Horde!!!” have answered.

However, in passing, I wonder in which thread she posted that rather plaintive cry. Linky? Thnks.

But it really is remarkable how she and many others insist on misinterpreting criticisms of their positions as an insistence that people have “a responsibility to prevent their own rape”. In spite of people like Al explicitly arguing that:

The victim of a crime is never ‘at fault.’ That onus falls completely on the actor. That is not now nor has it ever been in dispute.

However, it seems to me the crux of the problem, or a major stumbling block, is some imprecise language – on both sides – which allows something important to fall through the cracks between the planks of various party platforms. So to speak.

Not quite sure the reason for that, or how to define the problem, or what it is precisely that is falling between those cracks, but it seems to me that there is some rather dogmatic arguments on both sides. Or maybe just a refusal to consider the possibility that responsibility is not an all-or-nothing proposition, that as responsible citizens we all have a responsibility to limit the damage to ourselves caused by the actions of others, either through intent or accident.

[Guest]

Yeah, big vodka is gonna win against Putin's repressive cleptocracy. Keep dreaming and lashing out though. As long as it makes you feel better.

Yeah who ever heard of a corrupt government paying attention to a wealthy industry. That's just crazy. And so what if all it does is make me feel better. You act like I owe Russian vodka makers something. I don't owe them shit. And there's plenty of great vodkas out there so I'm not missing out.

Your corrupt government pays attention to the "wealthy industries" (lol, yeah, it's the vodka industry that Putin is worried about, not Russia's titanic natural resources), because the politicians need their donations to win. Russian politics are very different.
You don't owe anyone jack shit. You can act like a petulant child all you want. I just hope that besides boycotting vodka and babushka dolls, or whatever the stereotypical dumb american associates with Russia, you also boycott every US company ever. Hell, by your standard any company that isn't actively donating to politicians right now to legalize/change whatever isn't doing enough.

Heck, the american companies are even MORE responsible than the Russian ones for whatever ills that the US government issues upon it's citizens and the world. Since the US is less totalitarian money and public opinion have more influence, and the companies have less to lose. But whatever you can have your meaningless SJW tantrum against some "Russian" company if it makes you feel all good and tingly. Just hope these feels aren't deluding you to think that you "have done your part".

[Southern]

Restaurant sites seem to use it a lot too. I think Cracked did an article about it. Meanwhile, I've really got to stop read the Pit and do something constructive, like actually watch Downfall.

An absolutely superb film. I enjoyed the Fuhrer temper meme for a bit, but I always (boringly) tell people to watch the source.

I'm glad I watched the original before the memes started to get popular. I don't know if it would have the same gravitas watching the Füher meltdown while thinking of PSN shortages, football teams, PZ Myers...

[Dick Strawkins]

Freezepage of PZs 'This is not an update' post (just in case it suddenly disappears)

http://www.freezepage.com/1376595846CRLKRKCHYL

[real horrorshow]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

PeeZus-beaten-about-the-kidneys-until-he-pisses-blood-gate?

[Badger3k]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

So, this movement to stop calling things "-gate" could be "gate gate"? :whistle:

[Humphrey_Hedgehog]

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a60 ... 3f32a9.jpg

[Southern]

One of the fat neckbeard beta males in the This Is Not An Update thread sums up this entire debacle quite nicely:

The goal isn’t to determine whether or not Shermer is guilty. The goal is to report a traumatic experience someone had with Shermer, in the hopes of warning other women. The goal is the reduce the potential for rape.

Shermer’s guilt or innocence isn’t what’s at stake here. Women not being raped is.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670384

It doesn't matter if Shermer is innocent! This isn't about Shermer, it's about women getting potentially raped!

It's not a matter of Shermer being guilty or innocent. Is a matter of preventing Shermer of raping more women than he already have raped. We're not judging him, we're protecting women from him!

Oh my Peezus. How can they function like that? It's sad even as a parody, but those fuckers act and think like that seriosly.

[Badger3k]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing. It's supposed to be emphasizing every word or some shit, but it just looks like pretentious doucheweasels to most people.

[JustAtheist]

Winegate seems like the most appropriate

[Git]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing. It's supposed to be emphasizing every word or some shit, but it just looks like pretentious doucheweasels to most people.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ropped.jpg

[Guest]

From what I have seen he is too boring to become hilarious. It's just tedious drivel, in such quantities it makes you think drivel was at a discount.

I started reading his essay on Paula Kirby when a hazmat team burst into my office and smashed my laptop -- apparently just having his essay on screen was causing application hangs, network stalls, and human workers and drivers to fall asleep -- very dangerous!

[Gefan]

Denoument

Wherein:
Herr Meyer's hentai porn has trouble making it out of Berlin,.
There is trouble in the Intellectual Artillery Corps.
And we find out who's really responsible for the fall of National Social Justice-ism.

[youtube]5UDkKC2r6Ew[/youtube]

Okay, that's it for now. Partly, because I appear to have upset Skeptickle (who I admire) and partly because the SO has grown tired of hearing Bruno Ganz raving in the study.

[yomomma]

This forum is the the "Mystery Science Theater" of SJW bullshit.

[Gumby]

Winegate seems like the most appropriate

Since this is about people accusing Michael Shermer of being a drooling sex fiend who takes his booty by force, I suggest "Tailgate".

[Git]

This forum is the the "Mystery Science Theater" of SJW bullshit.

Welcome Yomomma, and the others. Someone will be along to give the traditional welcome, but here is the welcome basket of links for you to peruse:

http://kirbanita.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83 ... 970c-800wi

[John Greg]

True Story.

Today, while walking to the foodstore, two, count 'em, two women, walking on my sidewalk, but in the other direction, actually nodded at me, a total stranger, and said hello.

Quick! Call Fallen Lord Peezus and his moll, Beckybooze. I been harrassseddee and almost raped!

[Gumby]

True Story.

Today, while walking to the foodstore, two, count 'em, two women, walking on my sidewalk, but in the other direction, actually nodded at me, a total stranger, and said hello.

Quick! Call Fallen Lord Peezus and his moll, Beckybooze. I been harrassseddee and almost raped!

That's awful. Fucking rapists. Hugs if you want them.

[Trophy]

This is the way left wing movements end: not with a bang but a whimper. Disillusion is endemic, for so little is achieved, at so much cost to the individuals involved, that disaffection becomes inevitable. What begins in the expectation that anything is possible is throttled by the creeping tendrils of despair that comes with wanting everything but getting nothing, for nothing was all you could have ever achieved. If you set yourself against an invisible enemy, how can you possibly know victory looks like? When will the time come to stop? What once seemed so easy to scale is now rising ground and the peak of Oppression's Alp is always in view, casting a shadow over everything.

Mission creep is inevitable. Movements which begin with large but often inchoate and internally contradictory ideas quickly dessicate into factions. With the factions come the denunciations and with the denunciations comes the rhetoric and with the rhetoric comes the inability to let small things go in order to concentrate on the big ones. Movements become exhausted and exhaustion brings a lack of judgement. Paranoia takes hold, as every unsolicited email of support and every Tweet of encouragement is regarded as the action of a potential agent provocateur. Eventually a thoughtless and stupid move will be made: a bollard will be thrown; a fire extinguisher from a tall building; a preacher pushed because the crowd are baying for blood; a book burnt because that book contains lies; an accusation made because the ends surely — surely because we are right and we must be right, otherwise what is this for? — justify the means.

And it is ugly. And it sends a shiver down the spine. And you think, "I hope not to see my side act like this too often, or they will cease to be my side." And it happens again and again. And you become tired of the denunciations and the rhetoric and the paranoia and eventually your side becomes their side and you walk away.

Don't get too excited. The "Atheist" movement was not about PZ Myers or his cronies or any of the social justice vigilante crap. The "New Atheism" started with Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dannett and their ideas are still around and they are still very respected. Myers and the cronies made a lot of noise but don't get fooled by the noise. In the large scale, they are still nothing. PZ Myers used to crush polls and command a large horde of followers but he lost it due to his own stupidity. The people who used to follow him have moved on now ("whyeovlutionistrue" for example is now much more popular and for good reasons). The true "the other side" (i.e., the religious people) also don't take him seriously. They rather trash Dawkins and Hitchens than PZ. Ironically, I would say Rebecca is more well-known at least via the virtue of being a woman and making a lot of noise about "women" (by which she often means herself) and the fact that "we" in general would like to appear fair and listen to minority or suppressed noises and Rebecca knows her shtick well.

The blow up of this faction of the atheism movement was predictable for two reasons. One reason is the toxic influence of the "call-out culture" of a particular brand of online feminism that infested these waters. In fact, if you go to the beginning of the pit, you'll hear the same thoughts and really I'm just echoing Dilurk here. And second, due to Myer's own flawed ideology that "ridicule" and "being rude" or "being an asshole" in itself is a virtue without noticing that while ridiculing some creationist notions is fine, it's not really a replacement for arguments, specially when it comes to more subtle subjects. The end result was that they turned everything into a irrational flamewar, any discussion to name calling, and character assassination. Combine "reason one" with "reason two" and you'll get an explosive formula.

[LonLon]

Winegate seems like the most appropriate

Since this is about people accusing Michael Shermer of being a drooling sex fiend who takes his booty by force, I suggest "Tailgate".[/quote

How about something that sounds a bit more earth-shatteringly cataclysmic, "Rape-Quake 2013"

[bhoytony]

RE: Led Zep ripping off old blues performers. What people don't like to admit is that most of those old guys were ripping everybody off themselves. That list that was posted gives Nobody's Fault But Mine as a Blind Willie Johnson song, but it was being peformed long before Johnson made the first recording of it. If you look at Robert Johnson's recordings you can trace them back to earlier songs by the likes of Blind Willie Newbern, Son House and Skip James. They were all doing it, that's how it worked. one song could be recorded in slightly different versions under new names by several artists. It's not hard to find this stuff out, it's common knowledge.

[justinvacula]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-st ... 57729.html

From a recent interview with Vic Stenger:

The 'atheism+' movement is starting to gather momentum and divide opinion - what are your thoughts on this idea?

I think it's a bad idea for the atheist movement to take up other causes, worthy as they may be, which already have plenty of organized support. I have been very disappointed to see this development. It detracts from the mission of fighting against magical thinking and we are still severely limited in resources, especially compared with what religion can throw at us.

[Badger3k]

True Story.

Today, while walking to the foodstore, two, count 'em, two women, walking on my sidewalk, but in the other direction, actually nodded at me, a total stranger, and said hello.

Quick! Call Fallen Lord Peezus and his moll, Beckybooze. I been harrassseddee and almost raped!

That's awful. Fucking rapists. Hugs if you want them.

The most important thing to do is report them. Not to any authorities or anyone of consequence, but report them on your blog. If you don't have a blog, post it to the nearest SJW blog in the comments section of the inevitable rapist post. They're pretty easy to spot - they normally account for 50-75% of the posts and 90% of the traffic.

[Lsuoma]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.

Because it causes you to FLOOSH! DISMISS! stuff.

[welch]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

THat's where it gets into opinion. I'm rarely impressed by the blues "originals". Some are okay, but really, until you get to Muddy Waters/Buddy Guy/Albert King, I could give a fuck.

[Trophy]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

I love the T & A adds. So feminist.

Holyshit!!!!! He's the dumbass who wrote this: http://heresyclub.com/2013/08/yes-richa ... re-racist/

He joined the sinking ship at the right time.

[real horrorshow]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing. It's supposed to be emphasizing every word or some shit, but it just looks like pretentious doucheweasels to most people.

Calling people 'doucheweasels'? I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing.

[Angry_Drunk]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.

Because it causes you to FLOOSH! DISMISS! stuff.

All other idiocy aside, have we ever stopped to properly meditate on just how fucktardedly stupid that phrase sounds.

[welch]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

I never really paid attention to the lyrics of Led Zepplin before. They are more banal than I thought when I couldn't understand what they are saying. Kind of like a drunk and even more pretentious version of Rush.

Holy fuck, I hate Led Zepplin.

It's music. Everyone likes their thing. I never quite understood the endless beatles wanking, and a major chunk of Jimi Hendrix leaves me cold.

[welch]

So, does PeepeeZ not allow anybody to post who criticizes he or his cult?

Further, how is his cult any different than conspiracy theorists? Like the assholes who were speculating that since Shermer raped a woman (cuz, you know, someone on the Internet said it was true, so it must be), and also raped a fat, bearded, suicidal man-child in Florida, that Shermer MUST be a gay pedophile, because that seems logical. OR perhaps, fat, bearded, suicidal man-child in Florida may be transgender. So, when Shermer supposedly raped fat, bearded, suicidal man-child, it's possible that fat, bearded, suicidal man-child was a woman/girl at the time.

Seriously, are we the victims of the biggest troll in all of history? Maybe PeepeeZ is a genius and that is all one big hoax to show people how utterly gullible they are.

Otherwise, these people need to be redirected to Natural News because it's also possible that the government has put microchips in Tim's McDonald french fries and that GMOs cause you to grow five new buttholes and that chemtrails are God's farts. What's the difference between these people and Alex Jones??

Alex Jones is more rational and believable

[welch]

One of the fat neckbeard beta males in the This Is Not An Update thread sums up this entire debacle quite nicely:

The goal isn’t to determine whether or not Shermer is guilty. The goal is to report a traumatic experience someone had with Shermer, in the hopes of warning other women. The goal is the reduce the potential for rape.

Shermer’s guilt or innocence isn’t what’s at stake here. Women not being raped is.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670384

It doesn't matter if Shermer is innocent! This isn't about Shermer, it's about women getting potentially raped!

"THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

[bhoytony]

RE: Led Zep ripping off old blues performers. What people don't like to admit is that most of those old guys were ripping everybody off themselves. That list that was posted gives Nobody's Fault But Mine as a Blind Willie Johnson song, but it was being peformed long before Johnson made the first recording of it. If you look at Robert Johnson's recordings you can trace them back to earlier songs by the likes of Blind Willie Newbern, Son House and Skip James. They were all doing it, that's how it worked. one song could be recorded in slightly different versions under new names by several artists. It's not hard to find this stuff out, it's common knowledge.

Oops, that should of course say Hambone Willie Newbern.

[Trophy]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

Um, we know that. It's a joke. Do you really think anyone was serious when they call the coffee invitation "The elevatorgate"? That's why something funny that ends with "-gate" is needed. Actually, now I like the sound of "Grenadegate".

[Ä uest]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing. It's supposed to be emphasizing every word or some shit, but it just looks like pretentious doucheweasels to most people.

Calling people 'doucheweasels'? I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing.

August 15, 2013 (like this guy wrote this article just for you!)

http://chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca ... rope-ever/

[welch]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

The artists who never got paid for their original work, is who.

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

You equate lifting a riff here or there, to recording complete covers of other people's songs and crediting yourself as the songwriter. The former is extremely common; the latter is how Led Zeppelin created (sic) 3/4 of the material on their first four albums. Christ, they even stole the band's name from John Entwistle!

You have the most curious definition of "stole" in that case, given the remark attributed to Entwistle was "that'll go over like a lead ballon", a concept Entwistle most definitely did not create, given the most likely origin of the phrase was from a US Newspaper cartoon in 1924.

There are also version of the story attributing the quote to Keith Moon.

So, who stole what from whom?

I guess it's okay now that we know neither Entwistle or Moon made that phrase up all on their own.

[Hmm]

How about calling it 'Rape Hunts', like witch hunts.

[welch]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

I read somewhere that it's a hipster thing. It's supposed to be emphasizing every word or some shit, but it just looks like pretentious doucheweasels to most people.

Like most tricks designed to increase the overall communications bandwidth of text, it's best used in limited amounts.

However, "sparingly" isn't a concept those tits are good with.

[John Greg]

Matt C said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 67#p119167):

I'm guessing this was after Elvis became huge.

As far as I know, it began around the time of his superduper stardom, yes.

And I think his co-writer creditation died with him. I think; I'm not at all sure of that though.

Do you know, was this a common practice?

Elvis is the only artist I am aware of who did this. Also, as memory serves, this did not happen with all of his recordings (post stardom), but with most of them. I do know that some song writers refused to go along with the practice, and in a couple of cases their songs were recorded anyway because it was obvious that they would be megahits, selling multiple millions.

[yomomma]

OT: Who are the moderators/admins here? Just an FYI: I was Phoebe Caulfield but then I think I was banned. I think it was due to my accidentally clicking on the button that flagged me as under 13 when I registered (jailbate!). I got an email saying I had to have my parents sign a waiver to allow me to post here. One of my parents is in a nursing home, so that should be interesting. I'm not even sure she knows what the Internet is.

I assure you, I have children older than 13. I quickly registered again under "yomomma" after realizing my error, but when "Phoebe" was approved, I stuck with that because she's a character from my favorite book. I'm guessing (which is proof, because I'm the victim) that the admin realized that "Phoebe" was erroneously approved and thus, banned me.

So, that's my rather mundane story.

[Steersman]

FWIW, some interesting statistics:

Total posts 88474 • Total topics 4540 • Total members 2734 •

And, ta da!, the envelope please:

Total posts 119219 • Total topics 320 • Total members 743 •

A difference of more than 30,000 in the total number of posts.

[John Greg]

Welchy said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 87#p119187):

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

Interestingly enough, that was also the case in classical music -- you know, Bach, Mozart, that bunch. Though, they called it "borrowing from their mentors".

[Tribble]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.

Hyperskepticism is, essentially, refusing to accept evidence regardless of the quality of the evidence.

[LurkerPerson]

Do the A+ numbers take into account all banned accounts? And the pits has had anonymous guest retards like myself since day one, those probably don't count as members, further skewing the numbers.

[TheMudbrooker]

What, nobody's posted this yet?

[youtube]vB9JgxhXW5w[/youtube]

[John Greg]

Humphrey_Hedgehog said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 91#p119191):

I wonder why the Beatles never got fat (apart from Ringo).

Lennon got rather tubby at one point, and was always uptight about his weight. When he died, he had been on a macro diet of, basically, seeds and twigs, and weighed less than ever in life. He was also very physically unfit, mainly do to poor nutrition.

There really are not very many "rock stars" who are fat. I know one major reason for that, especially in cases like the Rolling Stones, is the major amount of physical effort that actually goes into live performing (except for folks like Bill Wyman who just a tree).

[JackRayner]

Oh dear!
PZ Myers:

Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.
The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670087

I have no sympathy. But I am also glad our crowd is not the type to stoop to such behavior.

Of course, this isn't an accusation, but.... :whistle:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... d9e21a.png

[Steersman]

OT: Who are the moderators/admins here? Just an FYI: I was Phoebe Caulfield but then I think I was banned. I think it was due to my accidentally clicking on the button that flagged me as under 13 when I registered (jailbate!). I got an email saying I had to have my parents sign a waiver to allow me to post here. One of my parents is in a nursing home, so that should be interesting. I'm not even sure she knows what the Internet is.

I assure you, I have children older than 13. I quickly registered again under "yomomma" after realizing my error, but when "Phoebe" was approved, I stuck with that because she's a character from my favorite book. I'm guessing (which is proof, because I'm the victim) that the admin realized that "Phoebe" was erroneously approved and thus, banned me.

So, that's my rather mundane story.

Apparently only one admin and moderator here, one Lsuoma who is sometimes affectionately called “Fascist Tit” for his predilection for posting “outstanding” examples of same.

But welcome aboard.

[yomomma]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.

Hyperskepticism is, essentially, refusing to accept evidence regardless of the quality of the evidence.

Ah. I thought it meant extremely skeptical.

I find that kind of ironic though, given the level of their confirmation bias.

[Kareem]

I never really paid attention to the lyrics of Led Zepplin before. They are more banal than I thought when I couldn't understand what they are saying. Kind of like a drunk and even more pretentious version of Rush.

Holy fuck, I hate Led Zepplin.

:o 'sniff
Even Ten Years Gone? Who can hate Ten Years Gone?
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[Trophy]

It's the 'gate to end all 'gates.
AKA Masturgate.

Nah, the 'gate to end all gates' is gategate!