"History" project.

[Brive1987]

Hi all.

Schism Timeline and Resource Project

It seems people agree that it would be useful to have a complete flow of schism events preferably with links either to archive pages or to a sub page with resource collections.

Because this will require constant updates, these "edit button"-less forums probably aren't best - which is why I've setup a wix site. Also wix allows for a more, umm, public facing user experience.

My plan is to try to get:

a complete canon of "gates" and "incidents" - dates are vip
a selection of related links for each

Then sequence will be to:
1. Get the WIP list up online and kept uptodate
2. Complete "gate" resource sections as time allows.
3. Add direct incident links and resource pages.

At the moment I kind of need to get the complete list finalised before I do 3. online because the flow is a graphic but the links would be overlay transparent boxes - and if the underlying image changes the "boxes" will misalign. :?

If I come up with a better presentation tool so much the better. But I think for a list this presentation is better than a utterly boring html text. Meh.

What can you do to help?

Please review the current time line which I will post here some time this weekend.
http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

If there are missing gates and incidents - please post them in this thread. :D
Dates, maybe a brief optional explanation, print screens, links - anything at all would be great.

If anyone is keen to write short editorial covering a "gate" then I'd be happy to incorporate.

Feel free to point out *cough* typos, unclear descriptions and mistakes. I am beyond simple shame or embarrassment.

I will update the graphic and add other resources to the "database" for future resource pages/functions.
Once the flow dries up I will assume we have our "canon".

Your help and any suggestions are appreciated ! :dance:

Ta, Brive.

[HoneyWagon]

I think someone suggested all Oolon and the block bot . The blockbot has had a few incarnations, different mods/admins of various gender identities, works now with other blocking methods (leading back to Wil Wheaton and his block together page)

https://skeptools.wordpress.com/2013/08 ... eism-plus/

Current page
http://www.theblockbot.com/

March 2015
https://archive.is/hliew

Other blockers
GG autoblocker (Either Good Game or GamerGate)
Source info https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker
List of blocked https://blocktogether.org/show-blocks/5 ... cf0e419ccc


Wil Wheaton's blocker announced Jan 15, 2016
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/688149812881960961

Blocker location
https://blocktogether.org/show-blocks/3 ... ZOCdWNrgUK

(Currently, Wil is blocking more people than Randi)


I need to add more dates, etc. But just wanted to add all the blockbots as part of the "Drama Log"

[HoneyWagon]

Upskirt/Monopod guy, at TAM July 2011. "Dr. Buzzo" is his nick name (not sure if his real name is considered doxxing)
http://www.skepticalabyss.com/?p=31

FTB immediately assuming this happened
https://archive.is/xr0Y4
https://archive.is/Gxe0X (PZ still has the lie in the story without a correction at top)

Discussion about the claim in the old JREF forums
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... 74&page=53

This is basically an example of a story with incorrect and incomplete details being spread as truth to generate rage

[Brive1987]

Phase 5: Boycott of Dawkins

— 5A: Postmodernist Thimblerig

Rebecca Watson wrote back her famous “Privilege Delusion”. It omits the CFI talk and places the focus entirely on Richard Dawkins. It also switches back and forth between the “slightly bad” elevator incident and the serious accusations (rape etc): the familiar postmodernist thimblerig. To make Dawkins seem horrible, she says he's trivializing groping and even rape and such things etc. But at the same time everyone argues about invites for Coffee and how this is allegedly blown up by “misogynists”. In other words: First, I make accusations about rape culture. People respond to that, I say: “wait a minute, I only made an offhand remark, guys don't do that, why are you so angy about this, misogyny!” and when people switch to “coffee invite in lift” I respond with “OMG, you're trivializing rape!”. Rinse and repeat. That's the entire trick. And it's remarkably postmodern.

We shall show that these texts are often ambiguous and can be read in at least two distinct ways: a “moderate” reading, which leads to claims that are either worth discussing or else true but trivial; and a “radical” reading, which leads to claims that are surprising but false. Unfortunately, the radical interpretation is often taken not only as the “correct” interpretation of the original text but also as a well-established fact (“X has shown that. . .”) — a conclusion that we shall sharply criticize.

— 5B: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender.

DARVO tactics:Rebecca Watson used her podium to talk down to a nobody attendee (McGraw), and suddenly becomes the poor nobody herself who is being trampled on by Richard Dawkins. This is of course not true: she has her own platform, hence she held the talk at the CFI, and she used her own platform to publish Privilege Delusion, which was widely cited. She had her YouTube channel, connections to many in the US movement, and she had PZ Myers and his SJ lot on her side. Thus everyone relevant would hear her.

Bring in mainstream media. They of course look at Richard Dawkins, and thus his comment (keep in mind, all he wrote were snarky comments) becomes defacto Elevatorgate and cut off exactly the very context the flame war was about as far as the community was concerned. The missing context could then be filled up with the Social Justice Warrior storytelling. People were misogynistic, hate women, entitlement etc (now again in the severe rendering). Two blog networks and a few journalists in strategic positions, Marcotte and Plait at Slate, Winston at Religion News Service reported something distorted. They went with Rebecca Watson's every word (you would learn later that they are some sort of clique). Note that PZ Myers is entirely with Rebecca Watson, still apparently ignorant, but also tries to be on good terms with Richard Dawkins, in this situation he's torn up.

In a video blog, the popular skeptic blogger recalled a man following her into an empty elevator and inviting her up to his room after she spoke about feminism at a European atheist conference last June. "Guys," she said with a bit of a laugh, "don't do that." Hers and other atheist/skeptic blogs were soon flooded with comments. Many women told of receiving unwanted sexual advances at freethinker gatherings. Some men, meanwhile, ridiculed Watson as overly sensitive or worse — or threatened her with rape, mutilation and murder. Before she knew it, Watson, 30, was subsumed by what everyone now calls "Elevatorgate." And when best-selling atheist author Richard Dawkins chimed in, the incident went nuclear.

Whoops... forgot how Watson accused everyone of laughing down rape victims, I guess...

— 5C: Boycott-Non-Boycott

[Richard Dawkins] therefore will no longer be rewarded with my money, my praise, or my attention. I will no longer recommend his books to others, buy them as presents, or buy them for my own library. I will not attend his lectures or recommend that others do the same. [...] But those of us who are humanists and feminists will find new, better voices to promote and inspire, and Dawkins will be left alone to fight the terrible injustice of standing in elevators with gum-chewers.
— Rebecca Watson, The Privilege Delusion

Same trickery continues. The third aspect is of course the boycott itselfin Privilege Delusion. It's mentioned numerous times below in comments and of course everyone understood it as such. It was also reported in the media, e.g. Gawker. It's also common sense. A public speaker who says they will boycott something is understood as making an appeal to his audience to do the same. She practically also says it. But what about PZ Myers and the other SJWs? I guess, he was horrified where this was going and went again straight into denial.

He writes:

Posting reams of hysterical posts demanding a boycott of Richard Dawkins in retribution for his alleged ‘misogyny’ was not only extremely damaging to the atheist cause and community, but did feminism no favors either.

Which did not happen.
The only pattern here is that every event in this affair gets inflated into absurdity by the misogynists.

Which is something that only happened in your head (and those of quite a few other people).
OK, I’ll type this v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y: Rebecca Watson never called for a boycott of Richard Dawkins. She stated publicly that she’s not giving a fuck about him anymore after he publicly “schooled” her in a very condescending manner as to what she is allowed to think and feel and what not.

Well... :roll:

I end here. But the fun part and where this warps into itself when it's suddenly a problem that Richard Dawkins doesn't want to be with Watson at the Reason Rally. Remember, SHE personally declared a boycott. Then, PZ Myers already blackballed Abbie Smith (also swept under the rug). But when Moglia overheard Dawkins saying he also doesn't want to have Watson around, it's suddenly a huge problem and everything was forgotten. How could he! The wailing and whining went forever over this.

We then hear that Watson was anyway not scheduled by the American Atheist. PZ Myers manages to revoke his blackballing quietly in the very same go as he joins this flock to condemn Richard Dawkins for "blackballing" (someone who declared no intention to ever have to do with Dawkins ever again, and who wasn't scheduled anyway).

The End.

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Full Resources:
Widely seen as the best documentation:
https://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.co ... vatorgate/

Documentation of the affair from the SJW side. Helps to see what gets omitted.
http://ohthehumanityofitall.blogspot.de ... art-1.html
http://ohthehumanityofitall.blogspot.de ... er-to.html

Reichspropaganda from Zvan about how stories get retold (switch off Irony Meter)
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... /elisions/

[Scented Nectar]

Here is the talk Becky gave in Ireland just before the alleged Egate incident. She was on the Communicating Atheism panel, but was mad that the Women Atheists panel earlier didn't complain enough (she wasn't on it), so she hijacked her own communications talk in order to talk about sexism instead. She made light of Dawkins' hate mail during the talk, saying that she uses one of them as a ring tone, yet complains about emails she's gotten. I guess she didn't get enough sympathy from this talk, since right afterwards (that night or the next) she claimed the elevator incident. This video may have been the last pleasant interaction between her and Dawkins. Note she greets him pleasantly at the beginning. I can't find the video of the Women Atheists panel with Paula Kirby, but Becky refers to it in this.

"Communicating Atheism (pt 1) Skepchick"
[youtube]W014KhaRtik[/youtube]

[greylurker]

Mentioned it back in the unending thread, there are three useful summaries from FreeThought Kampala/James Onen:

Elevatorgate (referenced by Aneris):
freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/elevatorgate/

https://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.co ... vatorgate/

Elevatorgate part II:
freethoughtkampala.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/elevatorgate-part-2-the-failure-of-skepticism/

https://freethoughtkampala.wordpress.co ... kepticism/

Letter to the Sli(y)mepit:
rationalugandan.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/letter-to-the-slime-pit/

https://rationalugandan.wordpress.com/2 ... slime-pit/

[Aneris]

The Ron Lindsay @WiS2 or the "Old White Man Kerfuffle"

I have written a summary or something like that at the time: here (June 20). And a write up, here. But below I simply went by some keywords and list what I found.

May 17, 2013: Ron Lindsay addressed the "shut up and listen" social justice warrior climate in 2013 in his opening speech at the Women in Secularism 2 conference, and made a lot of people deeply unhappy with it. Here is his script, and discussion at the CFI site. That didn't sit well and the entire social justice league soon opened fire from all blogs. The first major spat was between him and Rebecca Watson whom he accused of living in an "alternate universe". It begins with...

May 18, 2013 // The Silencing of Men // Rebecca Watson
Watson begins with the usual postmodern trick typical for her. Here she begins with saying that feminism was actually diverse (but of course when people disagree on things they become "no true feminists", which is also kinda criticizes in there). She mentions a forum for "people to post Photoshopped pictures [of detractors] in pornographic poses" (which is of course another barefaced lie), and also claims McCreight was bullied from blogging and social media (when AFAIK in reality she withdrew because of illness in the familiy).

May 18, 2013 // Who’s getting silenced? // PZ Myers
PZ Myers of course sides with Rebecca Watson.

May 18, 2013 // Watson’s World and Two Models of Communication
Ron Lindsay opens sharply with:

Rebecca Watson inhabits an alternate universe. At least that is the most charitable explanation I can provide for her recent smear. Watson has posted comments on my opening talk at Women in Secularism 2. It may be the most intellectually dishonest piece of writing since the last communique issued by North Korea.

May 19, 2013// An Alternate Universe // Stephoknee Zvan
Zvan comments on the alternate universe kerfuffle. There's the SJ Skiddo theme there, too which is emerging later. See Benson

May 19, 2013 // Mere Atheism // PZ Myers
PZ Myers tries to make Russel Blackford a Witch of the Week again, over "Dictionary Atheism".

May 22, 2013 // The Ron Lindsay Debacle // Richard Carrier
Stawkins comments: Richard Carrier has jumped on the 'Burn Lindsay' bandwagon with customary tact and restraint, comparing Ron Lindsay's speech with the death and destruction caused by the Oklahoma tornado. I write: See his frame: he builts up that Lindsay wasn't listening enough, or to the wrong people. With that in place, Carrier can discard disagreement as "wrong side" and agreement as (paraphrased) "Nothing new. We said this all along, didn't he hear it". His not very astute readership won't notice.

• Sub-Episode Vacula @ WiS
  May 27, 2013 // The hypocrisy and sexism of Jamie Kilstein // Justin Vacula
  This brings about one aspect around Kilstein and the "white old dude" theme. Note that Vacula attended WiS2 which was controversial in two ways. The SJW didn't like it at all, many on the Slymepit didn't like that his ticket was partially funded by AVfM and gave an interview to them in return (this whole thing was of course used by the SJWs against the entire Slymepit). Justin Vacula left Skepticink around June 2, if Dillahunty's tweet is to be believed (the source he links to is now 404). AFAIK because of this situation.

June, 13 // The Standard You Walk Past is the Standard you accept // Rebecca Watson
An influental propaganda post that paints all people she has an issue with as part of some evil team, and compares them to rape apologists in the Aussie army. She doesn't mention Lindsay directly, but you can tell the context from both the time frame as well as from the links she shares around and writes: "Hell, I’ll take leaders who are just a little less like this [Lindsay] and this [Grothe] and this [Shermer, pre-grenade]."

June 17, 2013 // Fifth Graders Response to the CFI boards Statement // Center for Inquiry
Note that there's now a month between the opening talk and this. The theme is disappointment in the failure of rational discussion and an attempt to help out Ron Lindsay, who is -- apparently -- still under fire.

I wrote at the time: "On the prerogative of interpretation" #SJW tactic
About how sides are created, one good and one bad; and how people have to assign themselves to these teams. Of course the lines are drawn in a way beneficial for the SJWs, and they prevent nuance and or that their setup is disturbed (in reality, people had a lot of different opinions, only the SJWs were a quasi-monolithic bloc).

Misc Observation
Strawkins "It's almost sadder to see that Ophelia realized all the problems back then but soon after chose the path of identity politics and for the right not to be offended."

Patterns & Apology
Ron Lindsay's speech enraged the SJWs and who then put a lot of pressure on him and the CFI, potentially to have him step down. But it appears that their influence was already waning by mid 2013. PZ Myers and others (as noted above) then began to backpedal and claim that it were the opponents who were making a mountain out of a molehill, because misogyny (sounds familiar, that's the SJ skiddoo).

Example post was JT Eberhardt's Ron Lindsay made mistakes, but the CFI should still be supported. Laden disagrees, and JT responds (June 25)

By June 18, Ophelia Benson writes in A Failure to Communicate

There are lots of people who think the reaction to CFI and the statement and Ron’s activities is excessive. Some of those people even see flaws in Ron’s activities but still think the reaction is excessive. Maybe it is, but I think there are reasons for that, reasons we can figure out and look at and maybe learn something from.

June 22, 2013 // Some Remarks on My Talk at WIS2 // Ron Lindsay
Ron Lindsay publishes a short apology. In full text:

It has been a few weeks since I have said anything in public about the controversy over my remarks at the Women in Secularism 2 conference. As CFI announced via Twitter, this pause was to enable the board to have time to consider the matter. The board has issued its statement. It is now an appropriate time for me to make some remarks.

I am sorry that I caused offense with my talk. I am also sorry I made some people feel unwelcome as a result of my talk. From the letters sent to me and the board, I have a better understanding of the objections to the talk.

I am also sorry that my talk and my actions subjected my colleagues and the organization to which I am devoted to criticism.
Please accept my apologies.

In my interpretation, the social justice league could not push their points through and already backpedal before, as usual blaming the drama on their detractors. I guess it is why they were okay with a generic apology even though he didn't indicate any change of mind on that matter.

June 23, 2013 // Ron Lindsay Apologizes // Amy Roth
“I appreciate this gesture. I think it’s a great place to start”, in other words, it's not what they wanted at all, but since they didn't get their agenda through, they hope to declare this as a reset back to Ready, Steady, Go.

June 25, 2013 // Adequate vs. Awesome Apologies // Rebecca Watson
On the surface, she also accepts Lindsay's apology, but of course has to point out that it could have been better. Here's my take on this at the time. The gist, Watson assumes an elevated, distanced position as if she wasn't involved at all and manages to (in my view) smear Lindsay even there by examples of other people she chose. It merely has the appearance of acceptance, and they both only lower themselves to that accept these terms because their outrage ultimately failed to convince the mainstream.

Closure

I wrote then:

The FTB Bloggers, having seen that they overreached their hand with Lindsay are now tuning to the story that Ron's apology is accepted (admit failure, try another time). Lindsay hasn't changed positions at all and short apologies were torn apart word for word before. Greta Christina wrote she can't give it the full attention to [it] just now, but states she's "Reservedly happy, and cautiously optimistic". Sorry, it should be reversed now: don't invite the A+ clowns as speakers ever again, cut funds to their efforts, there are plenty of others who can fill their spots.

This was in late June. The social justice league didn't do very well. Interestingly, when I glance over old material: SkepiCon pops up, and how the SJWs try to promote this conference while seeding drama and problems around the other conferences. I noticed this then too (in the first summary) /tinfoil hat

Gaining the hegemony/prerogative of interpretation failed. A little over a month later, August 8, conveniently, a grenade found its way in the hands of PZ Myers. This is peculiar since all the contents of the grenade incidents are years old and everyone wondered: why does this stuff come up now? /tinfoilhat + antenna

[Brive1987]

Hi all.

I have updated the timeline per link in original post
http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

Things I can see missing include:

Original date of blockbot (Ive got the BBC doco)
Jadehawks anti pit manifesto
Nugents attacks on slymepit(I was sure it was there but can't see it now. It's pre "dialog" of cause.
RW doxing that dude in Hong Kong and his girlfriend
PZ getting trolled by his own words
Alex shutting PZ down on his blog
Lousy offering to quit
The orbit.

What else? :)

http://i.imgur.com/f86kr9W.jpg

[Skep tickle]

• Sub-Episode Vacula @ WiS
  May 27, 2013 // The hypocrisy and sexism of Jamie Kilstein // Justin Vacula
  This brings about one aspect around Kilstein and the "white old dude" theme. Note that Vacula attended WiS2 which was controversial in two ways. The SJW didn't like it at all, many on the Slymepit didn't like that his ticket was partially funded by AVfM and gave an interview to them in return (this whole thing was of course used by the SJWs against the entire Slymepit). Justin Vacula left Skepticink around June 2, if Dillahunty's tweet is to be believed (the source he links to is now 404). AFAIK because of this situation.

Couple of corrections. WiS2 was May 17-19, 2013 and (as you said) included AVfM's interview of Vacula. He then attended the Empowering Women Through Secularism conference in Dublin, held June 29 & 30, 2013 (including videorecording a ride in the infamous elevator, clocking it at something like 16 seconds IIRC). He learned that he'd been removed from Skeptic Ink right as he returned from that trip.

Loftus' post "About Justin" announcing it publicly was posted July 2.
http://www.skepticink.com/debunkingchri ... ut-justin/ (post has been removed but see URL)

Vacula's comments: http://justinvacula.com/2013/07/05/scor ... beginning/

Couple of things about the Dublin conference:

• Nugent and Vacula met & talked for a while. Supposedly (and it's not hard to believe) Nugent had been warned about Vacula, so their meeting allowed Nugent an opportunity to see that maybe the horror stories he'd been were, to borrow a phrase from Aneris, just-so stories. Their encounter might have helped in Nugent's gradual change of viewpoint over time.
  try to get a later flight. (Vacula encountered the same storm, but made it there.)
• FWIW, Myers & Benson were also at the conference but managed to escape being in the same room as Vacula unscathed for a 2nd time in 6 weeks. Benson spoke & made it sound like women in the US had as hard a time accessing abortion services as women in Ireland.
• Watson was scheduled as a speaker, but was held up in New York in inclement weather and (as IIRC she announced) she decided not to take a later flight

[Skep tickle]

One line jumped. The "couple of things" should read:

Couple of things about the Dublin conference:

• Nugent and Vacula met & talked for a while. Supposedly (and it's not hard to believe) Nugent had been warned about Vacula, so their meeting allowed Nugent an opportunity to see that maybe the horror stories he'd been were, to borrow a phrase from Aneris, just-so stories. Their encounter might have helped in Nugent's gradual change of viewpoint over time.
• FWIW, Myers & Benson were also at the conference but managed to escape being in the same room as Vacula unscathed for a 2nd time in 6 weeks. Benson spoke & made it sound like women in the US had as hard a time accessing abortion services as women in Ireland.
• Watson was scheduled as a speaker, but was held up in New York in inclement weather and (as IIRC she announced) she decided not to get a later flight. (Vacula encountered the same storm, but made it there.)

[Brive1987]

The archive of the Justin removal is here http://web.archive.org/web/201307051651 ... out-justin

[Ape+lust]

• Watson was scheduled as a speaker, but was held up in New York in inclement weather and (as IIRC she announced) she decided not to get a later flight. (Vacula encountered the same storm, but made it there.)

You guys know I like razzing Peez for his pathetic mooning over Rebecca. That incident was just another fine instance.

Note that these are tweets, so Nugent could read them. I wonder what he made of the middle one, posted when Peez was en route.

http://imgur.com/gVFeLtS.png

http://imgur.com/m0P9s2q.png

http://imgur.com/CKrhjGR.png

[Dick Strawkins]

Cross-posted on the main thread:

Nugent attacks the slymepit:
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/03 ... ent-195375

Of note are two comments on that thread, comment 215, in which Nugents listing tactics are turned against him, and comment 360 where Nugent does what we have NEVER seen from an FTBully or Skepchick - an admission of error.

Nugent followed up the this post:
http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/05 ... ng-policy/

Comment 3 repeated the listing tactic (sealioning?) forcing Nugent to again apologize and update the post.

Nugent tried one last time to nail the pit after a troll posted some photoshopped porn pics of Benson, I think (I never saw the pictures because they were soon removed).

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

If I recall correctly Nugent linked to the trolls pictures - thus publicising them and thus causing Ophelia to almost have an epileptic fit.

After this Nugent gave up on attacking the slymepit and instead tried to set up the ill fated 'Dialogue' - which ended up with Steph Svan taking the FTB side and use the tactic of disagreeing with absolutely everything her opponents said - no matter how innocuous that was.

The Dialogue process collapsed when Benson doxxed Skep Tickle, using, I suspect, personal information from Tickle's email address (gained by Svan from the behind the scenes communications between the Dialogue teams and Nugent).

Franc's cuntkick comment (did not come from the slymepit - it was made on Abbie's ERV site).
http://greylining.com/2011/11/10/morpho ... t-comment/

[Brive1987]

Almost run out of things for the timeline thingie.
http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

I've added in Treaty of Butterlies, PZ islam trolling, Dunning slammer time etc.

Pls add anything you may think of here:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=475

............

I'll add in Zoe and the first FF vid as a nod to GG.
Plus Mykeru's flounce.

But I feel I am missing:
+ some attacks on Harris,
+ Hensley shit (just got her military ptsd tweet) - like when did she announce she had hit the sack?
+ Greta shit (are fluevogs really what she best known for?
+ attacks on AA ? Memories stirring

[Ape+lust]

Sept 5, 2013 - Shrieking Diva Moglia claims her "BFF" Richard Dawkins (and Dave Silverman) blackballed Rebecca Watson from the Reason Rally.

http://imgur.com/bgT1Gbc.jpg

http://imgur.com/ONVl4wy.jpg

http://skepchick.org/2013/09/my-time-wi ... our-idols/

[Gumby]

Jen McCreight showing her true Atheism NotSoPlus social justice colors with just how much the homeless disgust her in WankingHoboGate? Can't search for link, at work right now.

[HoneyWagon]

How about the "Women's Room Online" that Surly Amy put on at CFI LA in 2014
The "art" took up the upstairs area of CFI LA nd consisted of supposedly harassing tweets/posts women get.(Some were. But for example one tweet I saw was merely a woman tagging #JREF on twitter that she liked Harriet Hall's shirt at TAM 2012)

https://archive.is/QlmOf
Contributors were:
Rebecca Watson
Amy Roth
Greta Christina
Courtney Caldwell
Sikivu Hutchinson
Melody Hensley
Dr Ray Burks
Amanda Marcotte
Soraya Chemaly
Stephanie Zvan
Lindy West

[Gumby]

Jen McCreight showing her true Atheism NotSoPlus social justice colors with just how much the homeless disgust her in WankingHoboGate? Can't search for link, at work right now.

Starts here with a post by yours truly:
viewtopic.php?p=18555#p18555

[Brive1987]

Ta!

[HoneyWagon]

How about the "Women's Room Online" that Surly Amy put on at CFI LA in 2014
The "art" took up the upstairs area of CFI LA nd consisted of supposedly harassing tweets/posts women get.(Some were. But for example one tweet I saw was merely a woman tagging #JREF on twitter that she liked Harriet Hall's shirt at TAM 2012)

https://archive.is/QlmOf
Contributors were:
Rebecca Watson
Amy Roth
Greta Christina
Courtney Caldwell
Sikivu Hutchinson
Melody Hensley
Dr Ray Burks
Amanda Marcotte
Soraya Chemaly
Stephanie Zvan
Lindy West

A fun thread that happened at the Opening Reception post for the event on Facebook (September 13, 2014):
https://www.facebook.com/events/7953856 ... 860473273/

Sample
http://i.imgur.com/Outmpln.png

(Probably try on incognito in case some of the posters have blocked you)

[Brive1987]

This the video is the AM panel with Paula Kirby from the now-infamous 2011 conference in Dublin:

[youtube]2_O33OsA-vM[/youtube]

In the 1st few minutes:
1) It's titled "Women Atheists" but RW wasn't on it
2) Paula Kirby speaks 1st (after the intro), says right away that she doesn't see a need for a panel on this topic

WEIT on the session: https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.co ... activists/

[Brive1987]

I feel happy that "Reginald" escaped this harpie. Can you imagine having sex with a woman as cruel and self-centered as Becci?

1) Becci goes out with a guy who is ex-Moromon and is probably not very experienced
2) Becci and ex-Mormon are back at her place and they are about to round home plate
3) Becci pulls out condoms but ex-Mormon asks if she is on bc because he thinks a condom is not enough
Side Note: condoms do fail. Becci... please read about the failure rate of a condom
4) Becci is not on any "additional" bc and insists sex with her is safe
5) Ex-Mormon thinks about this dilemma for a while... and then finally decided it is okay to have sex
....whereby...
Becci tells him to "Get the fuck out of my apartment!"

What a nice person she is.

Please also note how objectifying she is of "Reginald's" appearance. She even congratulates herself on her score.

After I watched this video I fully realized what an evil harpy she is. I mean... what kind of person finds this story to be funny?

[youtube]rXFKTekTUxo[/youtube]

I've shown this to a number of women I know and the reaction is the same: "Jesus, what a cunt"

It's a story of petty cruelty, and the worst part is people applauding her.

A sober Reginald saw an arrogant, insulting slob and had a fear that he might have helped her reproduce.
If he didn't believe in abortion, and /or if she became pregnant he might become anchored to an unpleasant person.
Reginald did the smart thing.
Sometimes it is best to sheath your sword. :ugeek:

[Brive1987]

In the bar, elevator night. If I'm not mistaken, there are one or two more from another set that include Peez in the pic(s). I might even have them, but can't find them right now:

http://imgur.com/qOwdkr8.jpg

http://imgur.com/GQcbNRz.jpg

http://imgur.com/gafU69X.jpg

http://imgur.com/3RuQLuY.jpg

[Dick Strawkins]

Elevatorgate may have been the instant the SJW fireworks exploded in the atheist scene, but the touchpaper had been smouldering for a while beforehand.

The most notable instance is one from a conference in the US - American Atheists Southeast Regional Atheist Meet (SERAM) at the beginning of 2011.

It's mentioned by Hemant Mehta here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... sive-term/

There was a good writeup of this by the woman who was on the panel but her blog has been made private now.

http://jesusfetusfajitafishsticks.blogs ... seram.html

The discussion over this instance (some woman at a conference got offended over the use of a highly offensive term for women ("female" :shifty: ) by the panelists at the meeting) was the first time I saw a sizeable number of SJWs trying to dominate the discussion. If you go back before this you'll see examples of SJW talk and viewpoints but they were very much minority voices. Here they managed to cowtow the discussion because other commenters were were trying to avoid calling the offended woman an idiot.

[Ape+lust]

Elevatorgate may have been the instant the SJW fireworks exploded in the atheist scene, but the touchpaper had been smouldering for a while beforehand.

The most notable instance is one from a conference in the US - American Atheists Southeast Regional Atheist Meet (SERAM) at the beginning of 2011.

It's mentioned by Hemant Mehta here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... sive-term/

There was a good writeup of this by the woman who was on the panel but her blog has been made private now.

http://jesusfetusfajitafishsticks.blogs ... seram.html

The discussion over this instance (some woman at a conference got offended over the use of a highly offensive term for women ("female" :shifty: ) by the panelists at the meeting) was the first time I saw a sizeable number of SJWs trying to dominate the discussion. If you go back before this you'll see examples of SJW talk and viewpoints but they were very much minority voices. Here they managed to cowtow the discussion because other commenters were were trying to avoid calling the offended woman an idiot.

Jen McCreight helped kick off the mess by letting two attendees do a guest write-up on her blog. They're much more restrained than SJWs to come, but they use the classic tactic of mischaracterizing events and motives ("The woman asking the question was viciously torn apart..."), then reacting to their inventions as fact.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110210062 ... haped.html

This woman's reaction piece mostly rejects the conclusions of McCreight's buddies.

http://angelofharlots.blogspot.com/2011 ... nd-in.html

[Guest_67547884]

Just wanted to thank you for the timeline just what I was looking for. :P
At first the magnitude of the research I thought I was in for was daunting. :o
You have made this task much easier thanks again. :lol:

Cicero

[HoneyWagon]

For the 2012 section of the timeline, I didn't see reference to FTB bullies referring to Ed Clint as a rapist.
This relates to Watson's Dec 17 2012 tweets that any amount of alcohol equals no consent

She got lots of reaction and here is her skepchick article on December 18, 2012 about it:
https://archive.is/9371c

From the comments:
http://i.imgur.com/EYY0Rsd.png

http://i.imgur.com/beNtzaY.png

http://i.imgur.com/NhZJeYY.png

They use the third comment here from Ed Clint to make the accusation
It was obviously sarcasm
http://skepchick.org/wp-content/uploads ... apist1.png
(Look at the title they give this image...."ed-clint-rapist1.png"

[HoneyWagon]

Elevatorgate may have been the instant the SJW fireworks exploded in the atheist scene, but the touchpaper had been smouldering for a while beforehand.

The most notable instance is one from a conference in the US - American Atheists Southeast Regional Atheist Meet (SERAM) at the beginning of 2011.

It's mentioned by Hemant Mehta here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... sive-term/

There was a good writeup of this by the woman who was on the panel but her blog has been made private now.

http://jesusfetusfajitafishsticks.blogs ... seram.html

The discussion over this instance (some woman at a conference got offended over the use of a highly offensive term for women ("female" :shifty: ) by the panelists at the meeting) was the first time I saw a sizeable number of SJWs trying to dominate the discussion. If you go back before this you'll see examples of SJW talk and viewpoints but they were very much minority voices. Here they managed to cowtow the discussion because other commenters were were trying to avoid calling the offended woman an idiot.

Jen McCreight helped kick off the mess by letting two attendees do a guest write-up on her blog. They're much more restrained than SJWs to come, but they use the classic tactic of mischaracterizing events and motives ("The woman asking the question was viciously torn apart..."), then reacting to their inventions as fact.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110210062 ... haped.html

This woman's reaction piece mostly rejects the conclusions of McCreight's buddies.

http://angelofharlots.blogspot.com/2011 ... nd-in.html

This incident was what woke me up to what we now call SJWs.
I rarely posted on Pharyngula (this was pre-FTB) but I did when PZ posted his support piece:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... vity-or-m/
Now, like all these older posts, the comments are GONE, and this had a ton.
Here is a post with the comments (Over 1,000!):
https://web.archive.org/web/20110219112 ... p#comments


I wrote that I had no problem with the term female and said I would continue to use it (I think I added I would use it even more if I knew someone would be a jerk about it)
I was called an inhuman piece of shit for that. I never returned ad homs, but I continued to get them....and it was surprising to me.

I was speaking to the woman on the panel (She went by "Jesusfetusfajitafishsticks" at the time, but I am having trouble accessing her old accounts.)
She appears here, but links is dead:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... qus_thread

The video "appears" here, but audio and video was blocked very soon after this controversy:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... sive-term/


But at the time of the BlagHag and PZ post, the video was not yet out, yet they were already in "Listen and Believe" mode. PZ's version was "Listen. To. The. Women." Not women like me apparently.
People at the conference like JFFF were saying wait for the video, which would not back up some of the claims of Lyz and Sharon.
As posted above, this WAS the video, but audio and video blocked when this issue heated up:
[youtube]UBuYUJ4YCEI[/youtube]
I will look for more info.

[MarcusAu]

re Timeline

I think around the time of the 'Accomodationism Wars' there was mention of 'deep chasms'.

The existence of said chasms was denied at the time by PZ, Ophelia et al (if I recall correctly).

but this pre-dates Elevatorgate anyway.

Speaking of pre-dating EG - does anyone have a link to the rift that occurred between the JREF & CICSOP (sp) - I think it dates back to the 70s or 80s. Interesting as an example of how such things can occur

[HoneyWagon]

Re: http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

There is still a misspelling in 2012 section
"Fake Jewellery-Gate" should be "Fake Jewelry-Gate"

[HoneyWagon]

I would like to propose an addendum to TAM Harassment-Gate.
This occurred in November 2012 but originated in events at TAM in July 2012.
-------
John Rael had a Jenny McCarthy poster that he had pro-vaccination people at TAM 2012, sign
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
http://i.imgur.com/AK2H2mQ.jpg

Steve Novella same poster
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

Teller same poster
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

Penn same poster
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

Brian Dunning same poster
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

Harriet Hall same poster
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
"Certain people need to be shot"
July 17, 2012


This was reposted months later by Ophelia Benson...who took the joke from Harriet Hall "Certain people need to be shot (with vaccines)" as a personal threat to people like her. (corrected once she found out what it referred to, by others)

She saw the image on John Rael's Facebook photos page after John Rael approached her when she spoke at CFI LA November 4, 2012



Ophelia Bensons post:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... people-eh/
November 5, 2012
(archive of current page) https://archive.is/YTgDt

[Skep tickle]

Re: http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

There is still a misspelling in 2012 section
"Fake Jewellery-Gate" should be "Fake Jewelry-Gate"

Brive would be culturally appropriating the North American English spelling if he made that change.

On the other hand, J-gate occurred in North America.

:shock: spelling-appropriation dilemma :shock:

[HoneyWagon]

Re: http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih

There is still a misspelling in 2012 section
"Fake Jewellery-Gate" should be "Fake Jewelry-Gate"

Brive would be culturally appropriating the North American English spelling if he made that change.

On the other hand, J-gate occurred in North America.

:shock: spelling-appropriation dilemma :shock:

I hear people SAYING it like jewellery...but never spelling it like that.
Maybe I only hang around fancy-schmancy types.

[HoneyWagon]

So, what is the lastest re:http://brive1987.wix.com/clowncar#!schism-history/py7ih
Looks pretty good.

Is the next step fleshing out the events with links and images?

Will it be like a wiki or some other format?