If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

I also think Damion's approach in online discussions is not only fine but useful - I see him questioning the accuracy of statements including assumptions & sweeping generalizations. Really important part of taking a skeptical approach, IMO. Even if it feels annoying, at times. For being so useful a...

Does Adam Lee use blockbot, or has he exacted personal labour on my behalf? Is there a way of checking whether a block is "bot or not"? Once you have 'reached out' I guess the answer is no. You cannot tell the source of a block, so no. Right now, you're number 2639 on the Twitter block bot's "Level...

Anyone watch this? For the lolz? I've seen it because a JREF-forum moderator announced it in the more-or-less locked Shermer thread like this: "To help the debate, the JREF twitter account has just publicised a talk from TAM 2013 on Science and Morality." I have to admit that I don't get what the J...

It was the "keep inviting them" portion that was relevant. Ok. Well, there IS a "wall of silence". It's built around Wagg. FTBullies avoid one relevant question like the plague: Why Wagg did nothing. Wagg didn't do nothing. He posed for publicity pictures with Shemer and the woman Shermer 'raped'. ...

Badger3k wrote: It was the "keep inviting them" portion that was relevant.

Ok. Well, there IS a "wall of silence". It's built around Wagg. FTBullies avoid one relevant question like the plague: Why Wagg did nothing.

subbie1957 wrote: I didn't see Alison Smith's name either.

She was one of those nasty, horrible people who kept inviting Shermer to speak at workshops about myths in sexuality.

I also fail to see how "reasons why rape survivors donâ€™t go to the police" would apply to Wagg. Unless Shermer banged Wagg as well.

There's two issues here, one is whether or not the allegation against Shermer is true. The other that I see you and Mykeru are bringing up is the issue of people who knew about what Shermer did but didn't do anything about it. It's important to keep these separate and the first one is the main one ...

Iron Pill makes a lot of legit points and couches them in humor and edgy pseudo-nazi stuff. Of course, everything is overblown. That's one reason I like it. The TL:DR sections from most of the comic strips are pretty reasonable imo. It's not nearly as 2edge4me as typical /pol/ humor. Aside from fun...

Sulman wrote:
Verklagekasper wrote:Still 8th beer. A british soldier hits on me. Why do they always think I'm gay?
He detects Volkisch

10th beer. VÃ¶lkisch. I don't get 67% of the Iron Pill, but the rest is funny.

Tapir wrote:
Verklagekasper wrote:Still 8th beer. A british soldier hits on me. Why do they always think I'm gay?
It's your skirt.

It's too short.

You're practically begging for it.

Don't slut shame me! 9th beer. I'm thinking how being gay would make a lot things easier.

Still 8th beer. A british soldier hits on me. Why do they always think I'm gay?

8th beer. Still able to consent, but the woman over there looks rapey.

It's Friday night and my fifth beer so far. Still fully able to consent. Damn! Must be doing it wrong. Does this smell like chloroform? No, they just won't use chloroform, no matter how much I'm begging. Seriously though, I just realized I once actually was made drunk and taken advantage of. They f...

It's Friday night and my fifth beer so far. Still fully able to consent. Damn!

"Wolf 359" was a battle in TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds". That sounds like a suitable motto for the actions of Wagg and Smith, because they want to have it both ways: get Shermer shunned AND get out of this as flawless examples of virtue. This also appears to be the reason why it took Smith years t...

Alison seems to have a problem with disclosure full stop. What Dr. Adequate did was a crime - sexual assault. Somebody should have notified the JREF. RemieV said she was too upset to pass it on . http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7414161&postcount=300 RemieV said she had other stories to share...

Alison seems to have a problem with disclosure full stop. What Dr. Adequate did was a crime - sexual assault. Somebody should have notified the JREF. RemieV said she was too upset to pass it on . http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7414161&postcount=300 RemieV said she had other stories to share...

As for Smith saying nothing but the truth... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=7403216&#post7403216 http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7424938&postcount=394 This isn't the slam dunk you appear to think it is. You're missing part of the final quote (presumably unintentionally, as it is...

sinister wrote: Are those 2011 quotes during the time she was still playing both the "some women say" as well as "I can't say who" games?

Along those lines. Her remarks about Shermer (back then not named) were only footnotes of her story about "tongue guy" though.

As for Smith saying nothing but the truth... 25th July 2011 After some asking around, I believe the women he has done this to numbers in the dozens. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=7403216&#post7403216 31st July 2011 I thought I'd mentioned that he has done this dozens of times, and ment...

It certainly seems clear that no one at JREF took this very seriously. James Randi even had a response - something about "I've heard he's been a bad boy, and if he doesn't change he'll have to limit his attendance at the conference." So far everyone, including Smith and Wagg, make a secret out of w...

It certainly seems clear that no one at JREF took this very seriously. James Randi even had a response - something about "I've heard he's been a bad boy, and if he doesn't change he'll have to limit his attendance at the conference." So far everyone, including Smith and Wagg, make a secret out of w...

Kenteken wrote: If only the narrative could be spinned that at the end it is DJ Grothe to blame.

Flawless victory.

Btw does anyone know by now why DJ Grothe is no longer president of the JREF? This would be another thing that makes me wonder what is going on behind the scenes.

EdwardGemmer wrote:Did you guys just watch the Ray Rice debacle? Ray Rice's wife married him after the supposed assault. Obviously, she must be making it up.

Obviously, the inconsistent evidence is the same as clear evidence.

So, 2 years after TAM2008 there was the "Please say yes!!" email Smith wrote to Shermer, inviting him to a panel. 2 months after TAM2008, there was a blog entry of hers with a smile photo showing herself, Shermer, and Wagg at DragonCon, noting what a "blast" that "loveley portion of the evening" was...

From the JREF newsletter a week after TAM. She's quite a trouper about putting an upbeat spin on her rape weekend. Note the bit about speakers eliciting "fangirl-like squees". http://imgur.com/kqLwDIf.png http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/home/36-swift/200-swift-june-27-2008.html#i8 What the?...

So this is the story:

1. Smith tells Wagg she got raped by Shermer.
2. <giant hole>
3. Wagg, Shermer, Smith make smile photos and Shermer keeps getting invited to JREF events like nothing happened.

The JREF reaction to this: A round of applause for Wagg and Smith, case closed.

I think it's noteworthy that, one year after she wrote the "Please say yes!! ;)" mail, Smith indirectly allegated that Shermer did this to "dozens": There's a guy in the skeptical community who goes out of his way to get women drunk, offers to walk them back wherever, and then just ushers them to hi...

I read the pit. Now I have PTSD. No I mean I have a Playstation 3. But I won't be silenced!

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Verklagekasper wrote:You cannot add administrators and moderators to your foes list.

O really. Some animals are more equal than others? hahaha. Fuck you and byebye.
You know you shouldn't judge by software limitations.

Because software is of divine origine and can't be controlled by man.

You cannot add administrators and moderators to your foes list.

O really. Some animals are more equal than others? hahaha. Fuck you and byebye.

http://www.verklagekasper.de/stuff/feminism2.jpg

BTW, Sally Strange showed up to respond to one of my analogies. Did you know that having your ass grabbed and being brutally raped are pretty much equivalent for the two victims? I learn something new every day. http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/9/11/child-abuse-a-misunderstand...

Rebecca Watson tweets that Dawkins "mild pedophilia" he was a victim of is a dealbreaker for her. Cause victims are gross, I guess? I thought "Dear Muslima" was supposed to be the "deal breaker" for Rebecca Watson... what a melodramatic baby she is. Every two years since 2011, she has ultimately ha...

Sometimes I wonder if Orwell thought he might be 'too radical' with 1984. That maybe he should 'tone it down' to be 'more realistic.' And then he'd lived and seen what our governments and social movements have become. Orwell certainly inteded it to be radical. He extrapolated developments in social...

218 PZ Myers ... I get this all the time with students. You can give them a recipe to follow out of a lab cookbook, and they can follow it and it works fine, most of the time. When it doesnâ€™t, theyâ€™re lost, because they donâ€™t understand the mechanism, the theory, the whole big background of s...

I don't care about waves or labels. Even on the Slymepit are several women who have reported to have been stalked, have experience with sexual harassment or domestic violence. You can also ask around if you don't want to believe it. And you don't have to believe anything. You can remain unconvinced...

I don't care about waves or labels. Even on the Slymepit are several women who have reported to have been stalked, have experience with sexual harassment or domestic violence. You can also ask around if you don't want to believe it. And you don't have to believe anything. You can remain unconvinced...

I don't care about waves or labels. Even on the Slymepit are several women who have reported to have been stalked, have experience with sexual harassment or domestic violence. You can also ask around if you don't want to believe it. And you don't have to believe anything. You can remain unconvinced...

Not even wrong, but also no rebuttal. No single individual is the arbiter of how a movement is properly called. Traditions often split up and then develop into very different directions, where each branch likes to declare itself as the true successor, or in a more minimal form, who declares preroga...

None of that is an accomplishment of feminism. And if you want to attribute things to feminism that were accomplished before feminism even existed, why not just claim that fire and everything was an invention of feminism? [other comment] Yes, sigh. Let's be not so picky about labels. Let's claim th...

None of that is an accomplishment of feminism. And if you want to attribute things to feminism that were accomplished before feminism even existed, why not just claim that fire and everything was an invention of feminism? Of course. because they didn't use the proper label, doesn't count. Sigh. Yes...

another lurker wrote: If someone fights for a cause that helps women and improves equality, does that make them a feminist? Or does that make them a Feminist?

It doesn't. Just like thinking that certain branches of industry should be handled by the state makes one a socialist.

Why not give an example for the good things feminism has accomplished? Can't think of any, so you talk about communism instead? The right to vote ? The right to study ? The right to have access to all carriers ? The right to contraception and abortion ? The right to be allowed to manage and really ...

He's not wrong, despite all the insane rhetoric, dogma and people that have grafted themselves onto feminism (or even the ones that were there from the very beginning), feminist ideology HAS accomplished a lot that I would consider "good", subjectively. Like any other progressive ideology really. I...

lurkerking wrote: Feminism has been an incredible force for good in the world.

Mwuahahaha. For a moment I thought you were serious.

rpguest wrote: could be wrong but i think people are wired to respond to the most negative interpretation of anything in general at this point if it can be construed to be as a personal attack

What's the positive interpretation of "asshole"? Drescher insulted everyone openly criticizing Watson's drama act.

A couple of days ago on dailydot.com, some crazed feminist called Aja Romano published an article named "How a merch table dispute at Dragon Con netted an alleged rapist $6000". Confronted with evidence proving that the subject alone was bullshit, she renamed the article into "The online atheist com...

fuck wouldn't announce it.

Len is not going to sue ool0n. If he were, he wouldn't announv

http://i.imgur.com/fgLz95G.png http://i.imgur.com/4owus1y.png Whining about Dawkins with a story from 2 years ago, really? Is she making @rebeccawatson a parody account about herself? The story of Rebecca Watson's online life the past 2 years: "Dawkins, Dawkins! Dawkins. Dawkins!" - Rebecca Watson ...

What I find most sickening is the talk earlier in this thread of how she's been "near to making Skepchick a charity" for like 6-7 years now?!? Honestly, if you keep claiming that you're on the cusp of being a charity, without actually taking proper steps to become one, that is, at best, extremely d...

http://websitesonadime.com/memememememe.jpg FTBullies/Skepchicks talking is always an opportunity to play manipulation bingo. Just keep checking which manipulation techniques are applied. Tablegate alone yields a highscore: Manipulation Techniques according to George K Simon: â€¢ Lying : It is hard...

http://i.imgur.com/2LIOaZ2.png?1?9821

looool so true...

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/zQRtH56.jpg

Out of date, stupid, and disposable?

Lsuoma wrote: I sense a feeling of ridicule and superiority emanating from you.

I've got a bad feeling about this. Yeah I know, different franchise :-P

Ever notice how Troi, who was supposedly this super empath with super advanced analytical skills and psychological training, never offered advice you couldn't find in Dear Abby? :lol: Come on, Troi could feel all those feelings of others. Isn't that useful? Well, no. She never had to say anything o...

Hmm, never heard of the terms 4) and 4) before.

AmbrosiaX claims that the originator of the "More will be named" Tumblr page was Zvan:

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