If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

To sustain the claim the releasing the email was a tortious act, you'd need to show that it directly led to demonstrable harm. Good luck with that, Mz Owens. It seems simple enough. Releasing the email was part of /(evidence of) Quin's campaign to maliciously interfere with Owens' kickstarter launc...

Trump is certainly clownier than Cruz or Rubio. He's a lot more loudly offensive, too. But is he actually more dangerous? Trump seems like he'd say a bunch of crazy stuff. But ultimately the democrats could probably negotiate policy with him. Put Trump steaks in the Senate cafeteria and they can pro...

One of the journalist's critiques strikes me as really bizarre: They assume you know nothing and any perceived mistake is a result of your lack of research: There is a considerable amount of information about GamerGate out there, including video streams lasting upwards of 6 hours as well as a dossie...

I've said it before here and I have thought about it over the weekend. I want to say I accept that people can be transexual, but not accept they can be transracial. Why not? The reason seems the same. I think this may be something I need to accept. If gender and race are both social constructs, I d...

Why are some people so totally upset by the idea that transracial people might exist? Isn't that pretty obvious? These people are obsessed with oppression, and by claiming to be transracial they will primarily perceive it as you try to dip into the oppression of racial minorities without actually h...

Didn't find anything recent, but here's an old post from Ms. Christina on free speech: 11/2007: http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/11/free-speech-for.html Reprinted 3/2011: http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2011/03/free-speech-for-evil-hateful-rep...

Dudes who find white women, or men, to be attractive are clearly racist. All of you. That's not good enough for SJW thinking. I've been gradually convinced that SJW argumentation is, like Christian religious thinking, based on the idea that everyone is a sinner. Is it possible to come up with a sex...

On the question of otherkins I don't see the similarity with trans individuals. To me, the closest similarity is with sex fetishes. The otherkin arguments seem to be extending two ideas that are pretty core to pro-trans philosophies. The first is that we can split social and physical reality. So, t...

CFI's response surprised me. If true, they're knowingly and deliberately putting Melody into harms way. That seems seriously unethical.

Brive, all your sophistry cannot change the simple basic fact that you encourage(d) retaliatory doxxing. Eye for an eye; tooth for a tooth. And we all wander blind gumming our intellectual fodder. Ouf... 1. Doxxing Doxxing is all about "what happens online, stays online". It's old school. And it ma...

I don't think it's doxxing. It's just shitty, and should be looked down on. Just call it something else, maybe? Sorry if I come off pedantic. Is there a good word for taking internet fights to the real world? There really should be. And I agree the accuracy would help. Too many doxxing debates focu...

In other news A federal judge declared a portion of Utahâ€™s polygamy ban unconstitutional late Wednesday, essentially decriminalizing polygamy in the state. Anyone have any comments on credibility of the above? It makes sense. The law prohibits multiple legal marriages. That's fine, since marriage...

What the fuck is up with SJW's and their obsession with race? Their debates are all oppression olympics. But the SJWs are all people who've got the free-time to participate in endless internet fights. They'd get crushed in an individual "who has it worse" contest. So, to claim their oppression-gold...

I just saw this in my feed: Over at Feminist Critics, A Response To Joanna Schroeder Of TGMP (NoH) Or, youâ€™re telling men concerned about menâ€™s issues to focus on those issues outside of the feminist movement â€¦ to go join a movement thatâ€™s focused on menâ€™s â€¦ rights. Which really wouldnâ...

Ape+lust wrote::D Rage Detector Ophelia has detected rage in Matt Dillahunty:

Have people always been this dismissive of Ophelia? It seems like the community crossed some threshold in the last couple months. The SJW stuff is getting a lot less traction.

The big swing in gender demographics happens at the senior manager l evel where it's suddenly shifting toward men we get down to 45% women . Which happens to be right when women hit their 30s and the old biological clock really starts to press on them. By the time we get to junior partners, we have...

(1) Can it really be true that someone only briefly sees my profile pic and does NOT instantly realise it's a parody ? (2) "...absusively doctored. Horrible." - The wording is strange, at least by my standards. Sounds like a half-hearted attempt at mockery. Plus, I doubt that even by SJW standards,...

This is gorgeous trolling:

"We did not look closely," indeed.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but does she realize that her meltdown has ensured the common use and permanency of "Oafie" from here on out? No, of course she doesn't. Everyone would have forgotten about that tweet hours ago. Would she want people to stop? Without the 'outrage' postur...

Nobody gets offended like Oafie gets offended. A mild insult using her name from a random atheist organization she's not a part of, and she goes full meltdown demanding they remove the tweet (which they did) and apologize to her, and then goes on to theorize that Secular Council is an evil Pitter o...

Also if one gets PTSD through certain events that happened on Twitter (plus the other sources of the PTSD mentioned.. cyberstalking, blogs and so on) that doesn't mean that you got PTSD from Twitter itself. If I get PTSD at the beach because I start hitting it off with some girl from the hills and ...

The good Doctor Excelsior Avicenna has now weighed in on PTSD and Melody. Apparently, some PTSD sufferers "revel in it and use it as a source of strength. They fight it and mock it and push themselves to not be held back by it." ... He tries, rather ineffectively, which is typical, later in his end...

Which brings us to Melody's malady, Twitter. She has neither made an effort to avoid Twitter since she announced she had it in July last year, consistently tweeting every day, nor has she shown signs of emotional duress. She even occasionally takes part in abusing others on Twitter, ironically enou...

Selenite wrote: It looks like a lot of tweets have been removed. I don't see the claim that she has called someone's commanding officer anymore. Or even the one where she's attacking the soldier.

Whoops, apparently I'm a moron and was looking in the wrong spot.

Apparently Hensley is backpedaling on Twitter. I don't have a twitter account to verify that. https://twitter.com/MelodyHensley It looks like a lot of tweets have been removed. I don't see the claim that she has called someone's commanding officer anymore. Or even the one where she's attacking the ...

Selenite, stealing money from the till falls in the crime category. What Melody did doesn't. Apples, oranges and all that. And they both fall into the 'potential justifications' category. That's all you need to avoid a category error when asking how we partition potential justifications. I don't th...

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make. The point of sending emails to CFI would not be to provide them with evidence, the point would be to to express our opinions on Hensley's reprehensible behavior and how that reflects on CFI as an organization. Of course numbers matter - as some...

Contacting CFI to let them know what Melody is doing, no matter how many people do it, is not equivalent to starting a firing campaign. "Here's some shit your employee did on a Twitter account that mentions your company." Is not the same as "Here is some shit your employee did on a Twitter account ...

I have no problem believing Melody has PTSD due to things that happened on internet (cyberstalking or whatever). Threatening to call people's commanding officers makes her a twat though. I have a problem with her claims for the simple reason her behavior is better explained by a lot of other condit...

The debate over emailing CFI reminds me of the debate about 'Freeze Peach'. Censorship and contacting employers aren't immoral, exactly. They just lead to shitty equilibrium. Both sides use the tactics, and the object level debate ends up the same. It's just less pleasant for everyone involved. But ...

Bizarre religious news, unrelated to atheist drama:

www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26577358

The Raelians are trying to open a clinic to reverse female circumcisions. They claim to have been thwarted by the Catholic Church.

If this evidence holds up, this will follow Stollznow EVERYWHERE in the wider skeptic community, and, depending, she might even get dropped as a 'liability' by the SJW's - though most of them seem so deluded I suspect she'll always have some support from some of them. If conference organizers deter...

Sexual violence just looks different. You are asking a court system to try and look back at an encounter between two people who know each other, one or both may have been drinking, they may have engaged in some consensual sexual activities, and then try to find a point in time where whatever occurr...

I'd be more inclined to believe it on the tail end of a criminal/civil proceeding, to be honest. But that ties into something a bit larger. The reason I don't believe most of the claims that come up in the A/S community, is because of the schism. But it's not really from a tribalistic standpoint (a...

Jumping ahead to ask people here, based on a twitter conversation just now: What would it take for you to believe a claim of sexual harassment or assault? Are there certain circumstances in which you'd be more likely to believe it (evidence, etc) & if so what type of circumstance(s) would that/thos...

While I can kind of sympathize with some of AVfMâ€™s objectives there â€“ the â€œDonâ€™t Be That Guyâ€ program possibly crossing into the demonization of men if not into some misandry â€“ one might argue that some of their efforts at turning the tables look rather questionable at least. For instan...

Hmm. Well, I am confused now. I seem to remember reading Amy Stokes's claim (on Radford's FaceBook page thingy -- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202482631281324&set=a.1116909877215.114672.1061027523&type=1) that she had witnessed the signing of the infamous Radford/Stollznow retraction d...

Rearranging your comment: I agree completely, that's why I said earlier we are given a choice of thinking this is the Dumbest Founder's Wife Ever, even with her Ph.D and status as founder of her own company, or we are not getting an accurate story. ... This might be true, but if Tom is really only ...

Not only racist but "deeply racist" and the reasons given for the accusation are mind-boggling. This hunt-for-the-racism-in-everything fad is one step away from wearing a tin-foil hat, fucking about with the numbers in 9/11 and linking the answer to the Jews. I think of this as "Clickbait Feminism"...

I have learned way more (bullshit or factual) since I dropped school than I ever have while in school. It seems teachers and the whole educational system aren't doing what they should be doing. Discuss. ps: touch my yellow crayon, and it will be war! You're looking at school wrong. A degree isn't a...

Well, he was always like this. It is just that no one bothered to care since his cannons were aimed outwards. I enjoyed his blog posts about science when other peopled pointed them out (but I am an easy date in that respect). But his approach to religious people was equally tedious and full of crap...

I think I'd like to have a talk at a skeptic conference. At that talk, all I would do is read PZ's current post. http://i.imgur.com/EEf4UUC.jpg This reads like a theory-of-mind problem: Theory of mind (often abbreviated "ToM") is the ability to attribute mental statesâ€”beliefs, intents, desires, p...

Filing the C&D seems like it was a good move, even if Shermer doesn't end up filing suit. The rumor mill would continue speculating until he Did Something. He's now officially Done Something, and did it in a way that doesn't inspire a ton of followups. At this point, everyone's staked out their clai...

I'm waiting for 5PM. A C&D order set at 2PM seems arbitary -- unless the point is to give Shermer's team time to file same-day.

Mr.Deity on PZ/ftb from 05:18 onwards very true and funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMZ86PGVOQk Mr Deity nailed the response here. Perfect. It also made me wonder if there's some behind-the-scenes communications between the non-FTB content-producers. FTB is trying to set themselves up as the ...

Who wants to weigh in on this shitpile? http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/08/12/harassment-rape-skepticism-denialism/ What kind of mental gymnastics does one have to go through to rationalize believing someone's claim just by virtue of the fact that they claim it? These 'what evidence do peopl...

That's not evidence at all. What if the "investigator" was a close friend of Lindsday which meant the $40,000 went from the nonprofit to a friend's pocket? I'm not saying that's likely but in general nonprofits who deal with shit behind the closed doors can do A LOT of stinky shit and there is no r...

Holyfuck! I'm still catching up with the posts and the anticipated PZ vs Shermer lolyer battle and I just bought a coupon for a truck load of pop corn and I hope it suffices. But in the mean time, I've got to say this is bullshit: Meanwhile, popehat is also retweeting Ron Lindsay's tweet about corr...

Actually the law doesn't force you to be a parent. If you don't what to deal with the baby's late night cries, the poops, the vomits, digestive problems, the smell, and the responsibilities, you don't have to. Most likely you can dump all that crap onto your partner. But if you are wealthy enough t...

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