Periodic Table of Swearing

[Skep tickle]

Dear Greta -

Unless you play basketball professionally, $200 shoes are an extravagant expense. Even if you hadn't just recently plead poverty to get other people to pay your health expenses, I would raise an eyebrow at that. Btw, I'm a man. I have an exotic shoe-size and a shoestring (ha!) budget, and I can still manage to get a pair for $50. You're not catching flack over this because you're a woman -- of course that's you're first line of defense -- but because you're a materialistic fraud.

I wouldn't say that $200 shoes are an EXTRAVAGANT expense... probably something you'd get for christmas if you didnt want anything else big... the adults jst bought someone in the family 150 dollar stupid boots... But then again the adult who did it makes a nice amount of money? Nowhere near wealthy, but hm, 70-80k/year?

I make good money - less than most physicians, but more than most people.

My one pair of expensive professional shoes cost 60% of the Flugelhoofenshits Greta bought. (I have several lower-tier shoes I wear with orthotics for the kinds of foot issues Greta wrote about in explaining/excusing her purchase of those shoes. I paid for the orthotics out of pocket & they too cost less than Greta's shoes.)

I would never, ever consider paying $200 or more for shoes.

And WTF is this about her needing particularly comfy & nice shoes for her profession...isn't her profession writing (mostly on the internet)?

Oh, and giving talks to atheist & skeptic groups, maybe other "Cons". Which, as y'all know, have really high fashion expectations. :roll:

[AbsurdWalls]

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Can you comment on that post? It would be hilarious to see you spook them.

Bravo. Bet mom's proud. :suimouth:

Sorry, I was driving while I was posting that.

[ReneeHendricks]

Greta Christina, 'shoegate,' and gender:

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I caught that as well. It was very interesting that she decided to flip it all to a gender-based problem. I definitely would be just as outraged if a man had said he paid $260 for a pair of shoes that served no real purpose other than being really awesome all the while just coming off of a round of fundraising to pay for possible testicular cancer. Turn about - fair play - all that - gender doesn't fucking matter.

[xinit]

$200 for one pair of women's shoes - particularly at American prices - is crazy.

My problem though is that she did the article. Maybe shoes are her secret splurge (i.e. maybe she doesn't go to the pub on the weekend, or doesn't buy DVDs or something). We wouldn't be criticising her if she spent $30 at the pub once or twice a week, but that quickly adds up.

But the article was in bad taste in the context. And the shoes were crazy expensive.

I think my last pair of boots from Fluevog ran $350. They are incredibly comfortable and I'm happy with them. They're well built and last nicely... they're a decent investment for someone who needs decent shoes that look nice and are comfortable. Look at some of the SALE prices they have listed now... http://www.fluevog.com/code/?w=sale

They're not exactly hand made, leather soled Italian shoes, but they're close to the quality for a fraction of the price.

The trouble is the timing looks shady. Had it been a matter of "My partner got me a pair of shoes for Christmas..." or phrased differently, I don't think anyone would have flinched.

[Eucliwood]

I make good money - less than most physicians, but more than most people.

Hey, dr... what is this disorientation in my head (esp when I move my head) and these palpitations that occur on and off? Should I be concerned or something?It's hard to think when it gets heavy.

[Mykeru]

[spoiler]

You're the ones who are traveling, giving talks, writing columns, attending meetings, constantly drawing attention to yourselves. I stay put and work a full-time+ job. No traveling, no A/S meetings, no paid opinion pieces, no Google+ hangouts, no tweety-twitter-tweets, no Facey-fucky-book, no whingeing blog posts about what a victim of the Patriarchy I am. Nor am I interfering with your seemingly unlimited ability to do exactly those things. So what the absolute fuck is your problem?

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Yes. Yes, you are: by pointing out that they are all worthless freeloaders you increase the risk of derailing their gravy train.

Keep up the good work.

Sounds like a mission statement:

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[Eucliwood]

Greta Christina, 'shoegate,' and gender:

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I caught that as well. It was very interesting that she decided to flip it all to a gender-based problem. I definitely would be just as outraged if a man had said he paid $260 for a pair of shoes that served no real purpose other than being really awesome all the while just coming off of a round of fundraising to pay for possible testicular cancer. Turn about - fair play - all that - gender doesn't fucking matter.

What the fuck? If she wanted to claim ANYTHING wouldn't it be even worse for a man, if anyone possessed gender bias in judgment at all? Why would someone care less if a man spent 200 bucks on shoes with their money? I wold tell that bitch off ASAP if I saw her trying to use argument. I don't play around. *hooves the ground* xD

[welch]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

I don’t actually think that this controversy has any merit, and I don’t think I have any moral obligation whatsoever to do this. But I also don’t want anyone who donated money during my fundraiser to be unhappy about that donation. So if you made a donation and you now want it refunded, let me know, and I will refund it.

Yes, but...

:0

In any case, when you donate money to someone, you don’t get to dictate how they spend it.

I don't think this is the concern. Greta appears to strawman. No one is arguing that they should dictate, but rather have expectations for how she spends money (and are further arguing, perhaps more fundamentally, that the post is in bad taste).

When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.

Oh, of course, add gender to the issue when it really has no significance here. The same complaints, I would wager, would be raised if Greta were a man and bought shoes.

Yeah, bullshit. If a guy spends $250 on "goin' to town" shoes, he gets called a dumbass by his friends. If he spends it on, say, shoes for a specific function, like running, what have you, then that doesn't happen so much.

[ReneeHendricks]

Dear Greta -

Unless you play basketball professionally, $200 shoes are an extravagant expense. Even if you hadn't just recently plead poverty to get other people to pay your health expenses, I would raise an eyebrow at that. Btw, I'm a man. I have an exotic shoe-size and a shoestring (ha!) budget, and I can still manage to get a pair for $50. You're not catching flack over this because you're a woman -- of course that's you're first line of defense -- but because you're a materialistic fraud.

I wouldn't say that $200 shoes are an EXTRAVAGANT expense... probably something you'd get for christmas if you didnt want anything else big... the adults jst bought someone in the family 150 dollar stupid boots... But then again the adult who did it makes a nice amount of money? Nowhere near wealthy, but hm, 70-80k/year?

We fluctuate from between $75K to $100K a year depending on how flush *I* am. There are 3 children in this house so our situation isn't the same as Greta's. Still. Even when I had 0 kids, $200 for shoes that were just really nifty, designer but not much else (keep in mind Greta writes and does conferences for a living) are an extravagance. Couple that with just recently e-begging due to possible downtime from being able to work? Yeah. EXTRAVAGANCE. Period. Not to mention a slap in the face to those who donated. However, from the feedback I've read, they're all too stupid to realize they've been grifted.

[BrianAllenAptJ]

I ask for money on my shows all the time, but then again I always say imma blow it on booze and stuff. Maybe that's why I never get donations.

[ShadowOfTheWickerman]

Greta Christina, 'shoegate,' and gender:

(YT)UcvxSBWd-60(/YT)

I caught that as well. It was very interesting that she decided to flip it all to a gender-based problem. I definitely would be just as outraged if a man had said he paid $260 for a pair of shoes that served no real purpose other than being really awesome all the while just coming off of a round of fundraising to pay for possible testicular cancer. Turn about - fair play - all that - gender doesn't fucking matter.

Now wait a goddamn minute- is she complaining that high priced shoes will cost her maybe 200 after being given 8k?

[ReneeHendricks]

[spoiler]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

1) She says "I do in fact have to pay taxes on donations"

2) She offers refund to anyone who asks & can provide receipt:

If you donated money to me during my recent fundraiser, and you’re not happy with the fact that I recently spent some money on shoes, I will refund your donation. Email me at greta (at) gretachristina (dot) com, with the email address you used for PayPal and the amount you donated, or with the check number and the amount you donated. (If you’re someone who I requested to never contact me again because your private correspondence to me was borderline threatening, I will rescind that request for this purpose only.) When I confirm that you did in fact make a donation, I will refund your money. Thank you.

Which would both be awesome if she had put something out *prior* to my saying something about the expensive shoes. It was only then that she decided to put out some of this. She stated in prior posts that she had enough to cover her for a few months. In my low-ball world, that's about $8K. She was out of work for about 6 weeks. Not months. And not a fucking peep about how that money would be handle. Not until she put out about her cute new, expensive shoes. *Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

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Oh, ja. I wasn't excusing her, just reporting what she said in her post (esp for those who don't want to go to FtB)

Ah, my apologies then for going off on ya a bit :D

[Eucliwood]

We fluctuate from between $75K to $100K a year depending on how flush *I* am. There are 3 children in this house so our situation isn't the same as Greta's. Still. Even when I had 0 kids, $200 for shoes that were just really nifty, designer but not much else (keep in mind Greta writes and does conferences for a living) are an extravagance. Couple that with just recently e-begging due to possible downtime from being able to work? Yeah. EXTRAVAGANCE. Period. Not to mention a slap in the face to those who donated. However, from the feedback I've read, they're all too stupid to realize they've been grifted.

*snorts* then they deserve it. I want her to spend on a 300 dollar item and then see if they start getting a bit irritated. *giggle.* It's not it's going anywhere anyway. And lol @ the begging... yeah, definitely dishonest.

[welch]

I don't really care what zvan thinks other than blogging material. I have a policy: "Don't take the opinions of idiots seriously, nor allow edge cases to determine how things work". You'd be amazed how easy life gets when you do that.

Right. Like taking an average of say, weight in a population. The anorexics and clinically obese are lopped off as extreme outliers.
Problem with the FTB outliers is that they seem to have an influence disproportionate to their size, making them difficult to ignore.

actually, they're astoundingly easy to ignore. Once you get outside of a small number of websites, they cease to exist.

[BannedAid]

I wouldn't say that $200 shoes are an EXTRAVAGANT expense... probably something you'd get for christmas if you didnt want anything else big... the adults jst bought someone in the family 150 dollar stupid boots... But then again the adult who did it makes a nice amount of money? Nowhere near wealthy, but hm, 70-80k/year?

What's an average pair of women's shoes cost (I honestly don't know)? If it's much less than $200, then, yeah, she's treating herself pretty well. Which is cool, but don't fucking scoreboard over it. Does she know how many people are going to be hungry tonight? I bet they'd like her $200 shoes, although it would be an expensive dinner. It's just bad form.

[ERV]

Which would both be awesome if she had put something out *prior* to my saying something about the expensive shoes. It was only then that she decided to put out some of this. She stated in prior posts that she had enough to cover her for a few months. In my low-ball world, that's about $8K. She was out of work for about 6 weeks. Not months. And not a fucking peep about how that money would be handle. Not until she put out about her cute new, expensive shoes. *Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

This was my first thought too, scum Renee.

Re. your claim that she's no better that TV evangelists, it has to be said that they take in significantly more money than she does, and hence they embezzle and splurge on a larger scale than she would be able to.

However, if she were to have similar opportunity does anyone here think she wouldn't be Learjetting it around. As I've heard a lot from people over at FfTB, "Citation needed,", but the bloggers themselves are probably referring to this sort of citation.

Like I said on Facebook, when Oral Roberts pulled the 'SEND ME MONEY OR I WILL DIE' scam, he spent the money on medical missionaries.

And I assume Svan will also start chastising people who criticize megachurches for spending their cash on state-of-the-art sound systems and plush carpet and gold leafing everything instead of on the poor/hungry/homeless?

I will give them this-- These people are fucking sick.

[Lsuoma]

If anyone wants to send me money for Colombian Marching Powder, please use the PayPal donate buttons below. I promise I won't spend it on shoes: expensive camera gear is much more likely.

[Plonk]

http://i.imgur.com/fRrbm.jpg

[ReneeHendricks]

Comment #31 at Ophelia's post on shoegate starts off with this:

Renee, you need to learn the meaning of “gift”.

a) Poison? (its meaning as a German word)

b) Whatever Renee wants it to mean? (according to at least one mod at Atheism+)

Yeah, you get online and beg for money. You can call it a "gift" and others can call that as well. We call it a "gift" when we stupidly give to televangelists. We'd still like to know where our money is going. And much like giving money to televangelists, giving it to people like Greta Christina only means you find out way after the fact that it's going to really 'bitching", expensive shoes (bitching is in quotes because personally I think they're ugly as fuck).

so what did she say the gifts were for? For her to buy herself things? If so, fine.. it's like christmas then. If someone gives me money for christmas and I want to buy stupid fugly shoes that I happen to like (I'm cheap, so I wouldn't buy them, not even if they were half that, not that I'm really into shoes anyway)

For her possible cancer - to help with expenses that might crop up if she was out of work for some time. She received several MONTHS worth of donations (presumable to cover mortgage and utilities). So, gift sounds nice on the surface but it wasn't to buy her some ugly fucking $260 shoes.

[Eucliwood]

I wouldn't say that $200 shoes are an EXTRAVAGANT expense... probably something you'd get for christmas if you didnt want anything else big... the adults jst bought someone in the family 150 dollar stupid boots... But then again the adult who did it makes a nice amount of money? Nowhere near wealthy, but hm, 70-80k/year?

What's an average pair of women's shoes cost (I honestly don't know)? If it's much less than $200, then, yeah, she's treating herself pretty well. Which is cool, but don't fucking scoreboard over it. Does she know how many people are going to be hungry tonight? I bet they'd like her $200 shoes, although it would be an expensive dinner. It's just bad form.

There are plenty of tennis shoes here for 40-60 bucks that are in the expensive range, to me... I stick to 20..
As for dress shoes.. aren't those like 70-80 in the expensive range?

Hell, I wouldn't know too well. I only ever look at them for a few seconds.

[ReneeHendricks]

I ask for money on my shows all the time, but then again I always say imma blow it on booze and stuff. Maybe that's why I never get donations.

See, I'd totally donate to that. 'Cuz that's what I'd blow money on. Booze, hookers, and pot (I'm from WA state so suck it).

[Eucliwood]

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http://i.imgur.com/fRrbm.jpg

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Oh god haha... I would go there just to see how creepy they are IRL.

[Al Stefanelli]

Guys, given that this thread moves so fast, it's almost impossible to keep up anymore. I propose, once again, that people start using the subreddit I've devoted to the slymepit to track the highlights, so that those of us who can't spend all day reading the undead thread might not become completely disconnected form what's gone on in the past day or so. I mentioned this the other day, but it didn't get any response, probably because it was bereft of any content... so to rectify that, I've gone through and collected a handful of items you creative type produces that I think are appropriate to post there. If people would like to post their (or others) creative works there, I'd be very appreciative.

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

Snap. Didn't even know that was there.

[another lurker]

There are plenty of tennis shoes here for 40-60 bucks that are in the expensive range, to me... I stick to 20..
As for dress shoes.. aren't those like 70-80 in the expensive range?

Hell, I wouldn't know too well. I only ever look at them for a few seconds.

If she wanted a pair of dressy yet comfy shoes she could have picked up Naturalizer, or Rockport

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st?qid=1 ... sort=price

Amazon.com and 6pm.com both offer discount shoes

Naturalizer and Rockport try hard to be stylish and 'in fashion' too

Discount prices range from 6$ to full price at 200$

The expensive Fluevogs were for bragging rights only, no other reason.

[KiwiInOz]

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Can you comment on that post? It would be hilarious to see you spook them.

Bravo. Bet mom's proud. :suimouth:

Sorry, I was driving while I was posting that.

Psst. A quiet word to the wise. Don't ever apologise to franc. He can smell weakness a mile away.

Just say, "fuck you franc, those pixels bothered you as much as an internet kick up the jaxy".

[BrianAllenAptJ]

In an effort to be honest and legitimately scam everyone i have now added a give me money button to my signature. now where is my free internet moneys

[Gefan]

There are plenty of tennis shoes here for 40-60 bucks that are in the expensive range, to me... I stick to 20..
As for dress shoes.. aren't those like 70-80 in the expensive range?

Hell, I wouldn't know too well. I only ever look at them for a few seconds.

If she wanted a pair of dressy yet comfy shoes she could have picked up Naturalizer, or Rockport

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st?qid=1 ... sort=price

Amazon.com and 6pm.com both offer discount shoes

Naturalizer and Rockport try hard to be stylish and 'in fashion' too

Discount prices range from 6$ to full price at 200$

The expensive Fluevogs were for bragging rights only, no other reason.

Isn't Greta more the "sensible shoes" type?
Nice new pair of Doc Martens runs, what, about eighty bucks?

[xinit]

As for dress shoes.. aren't those like 70-80 in the expensive range?

Hell, I wouldn't know too well. I only ever look at them for a few seconds.

$70? Sure, if you buy them at Payless or Wal*Mart and don't mind if they fall apart in the rain... I bought a pair at Payless once, and the best pair I could find were still largely wood pulp and lastest 6 months before they looked like I'd dragged them behind the car down a gravel road...

My $300 Fluevogs I've had for 2 years now, nary (for Joé) a scratch, and they could be resoled when I wear those down. My $150-200 Docs also look perfectly fine with my suits and take a decent beating for a decade without issue.

[codelette]

I make good money - less than most physicians, but more than most people.

Hey, dr... what is this disorientation in my head (esp when I move my head) and these palpitations that occur on and off? Should I be concerned or something?It's hard to think when it gets heavy.

Not an MD, but had the same symptoms. In my case, I had low ferritin and low magnesium levels.

[xinit]

Nice new pair of Doc Martens runs, what, about eighty bucks?

On sale, in an off size, maybe... Straight up 1460 boot or 1461 shoe's going to run $150-180 without much effort.

[Ape+lust]

It doesn't look like it's occurred to Greta that some of her donors might not be able afford $250 shoes no matter how much they'd like to. Low income people make charitable donations too. Her haughty this is bullshit, I'm not obliged to answer to slymepit haters attitude isn't very smart.

[codelette]

Regarding Greta's shoes. As tacky as her move was, if the people that donated her money do not give a fuck...then, so be it.
I do have to say that those shoes are ugly as fuck, but then those fuckers are not known for having great taste in fashion.
Talking about expensive shoes, I spent 300+ bucks on a new pair of Frye boots (cause they are badass and I didn't have to troll for donations to get em.)
http://dsv72jclfpnu0.cloudfront.net/ima ... 1351791301
...they match my racist fedora hat.

[Badger3k]

As for dress shoes.. aren't those like 70-80 in the expensive range?

Hell, I wouldn't know too well. I only ever look at them for a few seconds.

$70? Sure, if you buy them at Payless or Wal*Mart and don't mind if they fall apart in the rain... I bought a pair at Payless once, and the best pair I could find were still largely wood pulp and lastest 6 months before they looked like I'd dragged them behind the car down a gravel road...

My $300 Fluevogs I've had for 2 years now, nary (for Joé) a scratch, and they could be resoled when I wear those down. My $150-200 Docs also look perfectly fine with my suits and take a decent beating for a decade without issue.

I paid less than that for my work shoes at Walmart. I am on my feet all day (teaching high school kids) - my cheap pair has lasted some three years now. I had a pair of work shoes (safety, steel toes) that my company paid half for (approx $200 total) that are finally gone, and they lasted 2 years in the factory and almost 3 at school. The cheap stuff isn't always cheap quality, although there is a lot of that.

[franc]

Why do Greta, Ophelia, Stephanie et al. even care what most 'Pytters think about their behavior? It's not as if most of us have any influence on their speaking and writing gigs. We may mock them here and point out their hypocrisy and arrogance, but when has that ever affected their ability to promote themselves or participate in A/S meetings?

They care what we think for the same reasons that the former Soviet bloc cared about Samizdat - they are powerless to stop it or doing anything about it, and what we think now propagates itself virally without any effort. It is genuinely grass roots. The resistance to the baboons has reached the stage where it is now fully networked. Various disparate blogs, vlogs and podcasts are now aware of each other's existence, aware that they are all being attacked by a common enemy. As I have stated several times, it's kinda like the Arab spring - groups from everywhere that otherwise have little commonality (other than godlessness/skepticism) are now realising that they do have a common goal in resisting the lunacy that is trying to take control of the movements and rule by fiat.

It is very much like the contempt for traditional politicians in much of the West. The politicians may think they control opinion by by holding sway over much of the public communication space, but they don't fool all of the common people who see through their tricks and see them for what they are. The baboons may get published in USAToday, WashPo, Slate, Salon etc., but the Samizdat now has a full head of steam and has permeated everywhere - the common people cannot fail but run across it now. They may control the public narrative, but the people's narrative is slowly being irrecoverably lost. This is what burns. This is why they care.

Love us or loathe us - we did good. Though we may not get much public credit for undoing the baboon empire, we would not be where we are today were it not for the sustained efforts of the entire 'pit. I think you can all buy yourselves a well earned beer and have a few moments self-satisfied of smugness.

Once that's done, it's back to the grindstone. The job's only half done.

[BannedAid]

I ask for money on my shows all the time, but then again I always say imma blow it on booze and stuff. Maybe that's why I never get donations.

I'll give you 3.50, but only if you promise to spend it on a 40 of High Gravity Steel Reserve.

[ShadowOfTheWickerman]

It doesn't look like it's occurred to Greta that some of her donors might not be able afford $250 shoes no matter how much they'd like to. Low income people make charitable donations too. Her haughty this is bullshit, I'm not obliged to answer to slymepit haters attitude isn't very smart.

Oh, it's plenty smart. Send money to dealer leader in order to help keep dear leader alive/well/comfortable so that dear leader can protect you from (enemy of the day). The comparison to megachurches was very apt.

[Ape+lust]

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/fRrbm.jpg[/spoiler]

*snerk* That's excellent!

[Lsuoma]

I ask for money on my shows all the time, but then again I always say imma blow it on booze and stuff. Maybe that's why I never get donations.

I'll give you 3.50, but only if you promise to spend it on a 40 of High Gravity Steel Reserve.

You should make sure it's not the Loch Ness Monster you're giving tree-fitty to...

[AndrewV69]

*Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

TV evangelist Peter Popoff tells people up front and in their face in his infomercials that what they are getting with his miracle oil is the power of the supernatural. OK so perhaps this is now, vs back then when before he reformed he:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff

Popoff was designated by the James Randi Educational Foundation, (JREF) to be one of the recipients of the 2011 Pigasus Award, which exposes fraud, along with Mehmet Oz (from The Dr. Oz Show) and CVS Pharmacy.[29] “Debt cancellation is part of God’s plan,” according to Popoff. Popoff teaches that God will respond to prayer and seed-faith by providing financial blessing. Credit.com wrote a blog post concerning Popoff's claims.[30]

I think you are maligning people like him quite frankly by comparing reGreta to him. I can not be arsed to go back and see if you were one of the pitters who wished reGreta well or actually sent her money but Surly Amy you are just envious about her new shoes?

Stop harassing reGreta!!!! You gender traitor!!! You are threatening her with rape!!! :naughty:

(Because by hating on reGreta you are showing misogyny to all women everywhere, and everyone knows all men rape women because they hate them, and so you are rape enabling the rapists and threatening her with rape).

[lurktard]

Easy. Jackass on foot is standing still. Person in car drives appropriately to the situation. Who can change the situation faster? Asshole on feet. He steps in front of the car with a fraction of a second between the action and the potential impact. How is that on the driver not to be able to avoid the collision (which, because of the fucking laws of physics, it is NOT possible for the driver to avoid)? No. The pedestrian was an idiot, the impact is solely the fault of his idiocy, the driver is 0% responsible for what happened.

Again, stop pretending the driver has perfect control over the fucking vehicle, you disingenuous piece of shit. Inertia owns that fucking vehicle, the driver can influence things a bit, but is not ever actually in control. If the pedestrian chooses to act in a way that potentially puts him in the path of an oncoming vehicle closer than the drivers ability to influence the path of the vehicle out of the collision path, then the following impact is on the pedestrian, not the driver. If the paths intersect in a way where either person is equally able to avoid it, then any impact that happens after is equally the fault of both.

Let me guess: you or some dumbass you know stepped into a road without looking and got hit, and now you're desperate to put the blame on the driver for not protecting useless shitheads from their own stupidity? Fuck that. If you're stupid enough to step into the fucking road without looking, then the human race would be better if you didn't survive the impact and risk passing your idiot genes on to the next generation. Next you'll be claiming it's the crocodile's fault for snatching morons at the water's edge, not the morons for ignoring the crocodile, right?

I undertsand the situation. But the driver is still responsible. A driver who didn't see that the pedestrian saw him, has to fucking slow down. Yes, a driver is defenseless, if a pedestrian is deliberately trying to jump into the front of his car. And in such a situation the driver's guilt aproaches zero. But I wouldn't call such an event an accident. If there is danger to do harm to other people you gotta be more careful. That is pretty much the the base for any reasonable safety measure ever.

English isn't my first language, so how do you define "responsibility"? It's clearly not the same as "guilt", but broader (I checked a dictionary.)
You seem to be talking about "guilt" all the time. "Guilt" is a different concept, but the "responsibilty" comes into play when determining guilt. Guilt easily shifts, depending on one's behaviour. Responsibiliy depends more on general circumstances and should influence one's behaviour. Someone who does behave more responsible loads less guilt unto himself in case of a fuck up than someone who behaves less responsible. Also fuck ups become less likely.

A pedestrian fucking up is not free of guilt in case of an accident. The more the pedestrian fucks up compared to the driver the more the guilt shifts towards the pedestrian. His initial responsibilty is much lower. Here in Germany accident guilt is usually shared to differing degrees based on behaviour and level of responsibilty. Let's say I ride a bicycle and drive closely behind a car. The car brakes for a proper reason (so other than deliberately provoking a crash with me) and I crash into the car. That's pretty much the only scenario the car driver gets away with 0 guilt and I carry a full 100%. His responsibility is making sure not to crash into others in front of him (including pedestrians), making sure those behind don't crash into him is not his responsibilty. (Except when driving backwards of course.) My responsibility was to not crash into him. I failed (in this hypothetical example).

Seriously you cannot tell me, that someone who drives slower in the area of playing kids behaves more responsible (read: in accordance with his responsibility) than someone who doesn't take them into account and goes strictly for the spped limit, or is that what you are trying to tell me? I heard driver's education is a joke in the USA compared to Germany. But such simple concepts are not even driving specific. It's the same on a shooting range, the one carrying a gun needs to be more responsible than one without. Or in a fricking swimming pool. The one jumping from the tower has more responsibility over the safety of the jump than people swimming down in the water. Some dude in a park throwing a diskus or a spear has more responsibilty than someone just walking along. It's really not fucking rocket science. And somehow i wonder why I have to explain that to multiple people and not one agreeing. Without any reasonable counter.

Instead you give me your retarded ad hominem fallacy at the end which isn't even remotely true. My only traffic accidents were bike accidents in which I fucked up on my own without any involvement of others (except one harmless slow speed bike on bike crash when I was a child, also my fault.)

Well, in this case, it looks like 80kg of meat moving at 5mph had a significant effect on 2000kgs of car, despite there being no physical contact between meat and car.

Are you kidding me? Or are the rules that different wherever you are? Driver was either too fast or didn't leave enough space between him and the car before him! Such a retarded crash is completely avoidable by leaving enough space based on your speed. The pedestrian might share guilt with any initial crash between him and the first car. Every driver behind the first car carries full guilt for crahing into the car in front of them. Everyone is responsible for not crashing into anything in front of him. And in their cases there is no excuse for them. Inertia, my ass. Of course inertia gets you, if you are not leaving enough space, given your brakes are as good as the ones before you you still have to calculate current speed * reaction time. In Germany such chain crashes get serious examination to determine if someone did break in time and than was shoved into the car before him (meaning he is guiltless) or if he didn't break in time and crashed into the car before him because he didn't leave enough space (meaning he is fully guilty of that individual crash).

Are cain crashes really the fault of the first guy in line in the USA? And does that seem more reasonable than the concept that everyone is fucking responsible himself for actually not crashing into shit? And if yes, how do you reconcile such responsibility evading wankery with your disdain for A+ers shifting their responsibility onto others?

[Badger3k]

It doesn't look like it's occurred to Greta that some of her donors might not be able afford $250 shoes no matter how much they'd like to. Low income people make charitable donations too. Her haughty this is bullshit, I'm not obliged to answer to slymepit haters attitude isn't very smart.

Poor people donate their social security checks to megachurches all the time, and live on catfood (well, hopefully not that bad, but I've seen similar), and feel happy about it. Some people think that a cause is worth it, no matter how stupid it (and they) may actually be. There might be a bit of self-defense cognitive dissonance in there as well - "Why, I can't get angry at her, that might mean I made a mistake, and I don't make mistakes!"

(Hmm, didn't seem to send. If it did, and this duplicates, my apologies)

ETA pre-second attempt: I also have to add in that reGreta's job, as someone else said, is to write on the internet and attend conferences as a speaker. Watching some of those videos, yeah, standards are not that high.

[BrianAllenAptJ]

I ask for money on my shows all the time, but then again I always say imma blow it on booze and stuff. Maybe that's why I never get donations.

I'll give you 3.50, but only if you promise to spend it on a 40 of High Gravity Steel Reserve.

that is probably the nastiest beer I have ever had .... I didn't know they made it in "40" form the only thing i have seen in stores here is 22s.

[franc]

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/fRrbm.jpg[/spoiler]

Brill. Pure and simple. Please archive it in the baboonapalooza image gallery.

[ReneeHendricks]

Seriously considering asking for donations simply because I'd like to be kept in sufficient amounts of alcohol, the occasional hooker, and as much pot as I'm legally allowed to have in WA state. I'll say it's for possible emotional issues cropping up from my guy having possible cancer. How's that for a "fuck you, Greta Christina"?

[aweraw]

I stole the WCOA silhouette for the subreddit header image. No DCMA's, please.

Also, anyone else getting intermittent 500 errors?

[xinit]

Regarding Greta's shoes. As tacky as her move was, if the people that donated her money do not give a fuck...then, so be it.
I do have to say that those shoes are ugly as fuck, but then those fuckers are not known for having great taste in fashion.
Talking about expensive shoes, I spent 300+ bucks on a new pair of Frye boots (cause they are badass and I didn't have to troll for donations to get em.)
http://dsv72jclfpnu0.cloudfront.net/ima ... 1351791301
...they match my racist fedora hat.

Her chosen shoes looked a bit... witchy... to me...

[decius]

I've nothing against MRAs (nor feminists per se, so long as they aren't the radfem lunatics you find at FtB etc.) but the idea of approaching social activism from either genders point of view is not very appealing to me peronsally.

Ditto.

Edge Penguin and decius may have a different perspective if they were living in the US.
I've not experienced anything close in the UK/Europe.

I don't know about Nipple Twister's geographical perspective, but when it comes to the US, I agree with him completely.

I usually cannot stand when someone speaks of an issue from a US-Centric view without clarifying. I'm often the first to have a go at the person who thinks the rest of the world revolves around the US.

The problem with this particular issue is that the Baboons are Merkins, and their brand of feminism is from a US Perspective, therefore when comparing the specifics of the Baboon perspective regarding feminism to the MRM perspective, one has to keep in mind that in order to understand the MRM point of view on the specifics which the Baboons speak of, one has to be considering the same geographical reality.

It seems that Canada has an extremely similar reality, but that is not something I can comment on, as I have never lived there.

When I refer to myself as an MRA, it is based upon my experiences living in the US. I agree with Nipple Twister from a US perspective.

Although I have been referred to as a Gender Traitor as long as I can remember, and have always been able to see sexism towards men with a very different perspective than most women, and even though I have always defended men when women made sexist comments, and have always been more comfortable around men, I thought of myself as "pro-equality". I am a MRA because I live in the US.

The topics that can be discussed with a more universal point of view, are far more interesting.

I understand where you're coming from and you're hardly an extremist I would take issue with.
It is indeed true that debates tend to be more polarised in the US, but I think bad ideas can be countered without the need to align in principle with either opposing camp, whatever the topic.
I'd have my nipples surgically removed without anaesthetic rather than relocate to the US. Should I be forced to do so, I wouldn't feel compelled to join the Democratic party, even though I'm definitely not a Republican and I oppose in principle some of their zanier policies. I just don't see how political affiliation could possibly fortify any argument.

[xinit]

I had a pair of work shoes (safety, steel toes) that my company paid half for (approx $200 total) that are finally gone, and they lasted 2 years in the factory and almost 3 at school. The cheap stuff isn't always cheap quality, although there is a lot of that.

True, but I'd hazard a guess the long life cheapies are the outliers...

[BannedAid]

You should make sure it's not the Loch Ness Monster you're giving tree-fitty to...

I've been burned before, but I'm a skeptic. Now way he's a goddamn Loch Ness Monster.

[franc]

Guys, given that this thread moves so fast, it's almost impossible to keep up anymore. I propose, once again, that people start using the subreddit I've devoted to the slymepit to track the highlights, so that those of us who can't spend all day reading the undead thread might not become completely disconnected form what's gone on in the past day or so. I mentioned this the other day, but it didn't get any response, probably because it was bereft of any content... so to rectify that, I've gone through and collected a handful of items you creative type produces that I think are appropriate to post there. If people would like to post their (or others) creative works there, I'd be very appreciative.

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

No. Not a bad idea. Suggestion -

Get this whole site creative commons licensed so anything can be copied without tampering and without asking permission.

The fill the reddit as anyone sees fit.

[BannedAid]

that is probably the nastiest beer I have ever had .... I didn't know they made it in "40" form the only thing i have seen in stores here is 22s.

Oh, yes, it is horrible. That's why I felt pretty confident you wouldn't take me up on it. And, yes, they make 40's of it, and yes, if you drink one it will melt your intestines and give you diarrhea for 2 days.

[rayshul]

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

I'm not much of a redditor but it looks like a cool alternative... I am going to attempt to keep up the hard way though.

Is there any possibility to increase the number of posts in a page? I remember it seemed a lot longer before. It's a bit of a drag to load so I supposed there's accessibility issues too.


Also, Shoegate has offically fucked me off. I was very "oh well there you go, American health service, etc" before but... buying shoes is ridiculously poor taste.

And can I add somethinig?

Ed Brayton appears to be in a bit of trouble himself. GRETA has money. Why doesn't she donate the excess of that money to him?

[codelette]

Her chosen shoes looked a bit... witchy... to me...

I've seen some cute witchy-inspired shoes/boots; but those things are uglier than hitting your mom on Mother's Day.

[Gefan]

Seriously considering asking for donations simply because I'd like to be kept in sufficient amounts of alcohol, the occasional hooker, and as much pot as I'm legally allowed to have in WA state. I'll say it's for possible emotional issues cropping up from my guy having possible cancer. How's that for a "fuck you, Greta Christina"?

You know, you're really buggering up my "sure we'll donate for genuine causes be causes we're not sociopaths" narrative, here.

Plus, my sitting here with a solitary bottle of scotch and no pot or hookers in sight is making me decidedly less charitable. :cry:

[Pitchguest]

This is what I intended to post on Greta's new post, but unfortunately I'm banned

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[ReneeHendricks]

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

I'm not much of a redditor but it looks like a cool alternative... I am going to attempt to keep up the hard way though.

Is there any possibility to increase the number of posts in a page? I remember it seemed a lot longer before. It's a bit of a drag to load so I supposed there's accessibility issues too.


Also, Shoegate has offically fucked me off. I was very "oh well there you go, American health service, etc" before but... buying shoes is ridiculously poor taste.

And can I add somethinig?

Ed Brayton appears to be in a bit of trouble himself. GRETA has money. Why doesn't she donate the excess of that money to him?

Because *obviously* it would take away from her bitchin' shoe fund! Duh!

[WoolyBumblebee]

The post is mysteriously gone now. Why am I not suprised :think:

What a ridiculously inept twunt.

I am stealing that for my vid on her tomorrow :D

[BrianAllenAptJ]

does anyone else think that this looks like the galgamex from south park?

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http://i.imgur.com/fRrbm.jpg

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[youtube]7yMXvsMPsJ8[/youtube]


Although I think the Galgamex sound more like FTB and A+ than anyone I have encountered in the pit

[rayshul]

Wouldn't want to be her friend. Just sayin'.

[Pitchguest]

Ed Brayton appears to be in a bit of trouble himself. GRETA has money. Why doesn't she donate the excess of that money to him?

That's actually a good point. Why is a very good question.