Periodic Table of Swearing

[Michael J]

Argh. Stupid post button. Anyway, Professor Ceiling Cat with two of the four horseman. And he describes this photo* as “Two Horsemen and a Pony Boy.”. Eat shit, Peezus, you two-bit nobody.

*http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -the-boys/

Yeah, you can tell that Peezus would like to be there so bad he's bleeding out of his arsehole. He almost certainly hoped to replace Hitch as a Horseman, and I really do think that he might have believed he had a chance. About as much chance as pterodactyls flying out my arse!!!

I disagree. I think at one stage he could have been the fourth. I got the sense that around the time of the Expelled movie PZ and Dawkins seemed to be in a lot of contact.

I think that he blew it by being divisive. It doesn't matter that he was involved in criticisms of Dawkins, Grothe, Harris and the others you never promote someone who has been involved in splitting the community.

[Dick Strawkins]

Just leave this here -

http://www.theferrett.com/ferrettworks/ ... -a-coffee/

That piece you linked is essentially another version of the "don't make passes at women" argument that you hear from baboolies when they are asked to be specific about anti-harrassment policies that would prevent something like elevatorgate.
The argument goes something like this: Women face so many instances of men trying to chat them up that, taken together, these individual passes add up to a feeling of harrassment.
A individual man, making a single attempt at a pass, can therefore contribute to the harrassment of women.
Even if he is not trying to chat up the woman, say he just wants to talk about something she has said or ask her opinions on something, it can still count as harrassment since some chat up lines are often virtually identical to non-sexual conversational openers.
This IS a logical argument.
The trouble is that putting into effect anti-harrassment policies that would cover this definition of harrassment would entail preventing virtually all chance of normal human interaction, both sexual and non-sexual.
I would actually love to see them try this, just to see what would happen.

[DownThunder]

The trouble is that putting into effect anti-harrassment policies that would cover this definition of harrassment would entail preventing virtually all chance of normal human interaction, both sexual and non-sexual.
I would actually love to see them try this, just to see what would happen.

To clarify, that would only be a verbal agreement amongst the baboons? Not an actual conference policy?

Let the proponents be the first. Show how sincere they are by walking the walk.

I dont see why the rest of us have to suffer, while the ones lobbing molotovs and tearing everything down face little to no consequences.

[Michael K Gray]

I think most anti-terrorist services have special modules for dealing with the female of the species - because they generally are deadlier.

I think that I can see whence one comes. (Oooh err!)
But that entirely depends on what one means by "deadlier".
If one means that when the truly motivated rare female takes a mind to mayhem, she is more effective than a bloke, then that is one thing.
But if one is suggesting that the "terrorist"¹ aggregate homicides are committed by females, then you have an uphill statistical climb to make. Unless one is willing to limit one's-self to a definition of "terrorism" that bears no relation to even the US military definition.
(Which I would begrudgingly to quote, if you force me to retrieve the PDF from my archives somewhere)
I take exception to your purported reasoning as to the requirements for 'female specialist units' in the services.
You assert that it is because "because they generally are deadlier".
Are you able to support this assertion with facts? Or is it simply your personal opinion?
Do you have inside knowledge into the motivations of the establishment of these "special modules" from an administrative point of view.

Yeah: I am on a Justicar meth binge! Nahh, just Cooper's Pale Ale, mate. But franc, I think that you are slacking off very much here.
Females "deadlier" than males?
Stats argue against that dodgy proposition.
Maybe just the females to whom you (and I) are attracted!
(And, may there be more of them... Part way through that R. Crumb Vid. Enjoying it, ta.)

______________________
¹ Keeping in mind that most of the USA's, Israel's, Colombia's, Great Britain's and Soviet's (etc) "interventions" have been so clearly "terrorist" by any meaningful interpretation of the word.

[Dick Strawkins]

The trouble is that putting into effect anti-harrassment policies that would cover this definition of harrassment would entail preventing virtually all chance of normal human interaction, both sexual and non-sexual.
I would actually love to see them try this, just to see what would happen.

To clarify, that would only be a verbal agreement amongst the baboons? Not an actual conference policy?

Let the proponents be the first. Show how sincere they are by walking the walk.

I dont see why the rest of us have to suffer, while the ones lobbing molotovs and tearing everything down face little to no consequences.

I don't see how it could work unless everyone in the conference was subject to the same conditions and rules.
Come on FC5, let's see an anti-harrassment policy that would prevent the possibility of elevatorgate! :pray:

[franc]

I think most anti-terrorist services have special modules for dealing with the female of the species - because they generally are deadlier.

I think that I can see whence one comes. (Oooh err!)
But that entirely depends on what one means by "deadlier".

"Deadlier" merely means "more committed" - willing to take things to the utmost extreme available, the least willing to negotiate. Death means less to them. It's not a question of overall body count - its a matter of willingness to go down fighting.

[DownThunder]

The trouble is that putting into effect anti-harrassment policies that would cover this definition of harrassment would entail preventing virtually all chance of normal human interaction, both sexual and non-sexual.
I would actually love to see them try this, just to see what would happen.

To clarify, that would only be a verbal agreement amongst the baboons? Not an actual conference policy?

Let the proponents be the first. Show how sincere they are by walking the walk.

I dont see why the rest of us have to suffer, while the ones lobbing molotovs and tearing everything down face little to no consequences.

I don't see how it could work unless everyone in the conference was subject to the same conditions and rules.
Come on FC5, let's see an anti-harrassment policy that would prevent the possibility of elevatorgate! :pray:

Some people just want to see the world burn.

Abstinence only sex education gender relations.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I think most anti-terrorist services have special modules for dealing with the female of the species - because they generally are deadlier.

I think that I can see whence one comes. (Oooh err!)
But that entirely depends on what one means by "deadlier".

"Deadlier" merely means "more committed" - willing to take things to the utmost extreme available, the least willing to negotiate. Death means less to them. It's not a question of overall body count - its a matter of willingness to go down fighting.

"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

[Michael K Gray]

I think most anti-terrorist services have special modules for dealing with the female of the species - because they generally are deadlier.

I think that I can see whence one comes. (Oooh err!)
But that entirely depends on what one means by "deadlier".

"Deadlier" merely means "more committed" - willing to take things to the utmost extreme available, the least willing to negotiate. Death means less to them. It's not a question of overall body count - its a matter of willingness to go down fighting.

Yeah, OK. I can agree with that aspect.

[Scented Nectar]

Program for Australian Skeptics National Convention 2012, November 30
http://i.imgur.com/OuL4m.jpg

*snort*

What do you bet that she ditches the topic she's being paid for, and talks about feminism instead? Just like she ditched 'Communicating Atheism' in Ireland at ElevatorGate's conference. She was all jealous that she wasn't on the Women in Atheism panel that Paula Kirby and others were on, so she switched her own talk to be about sexism anyways.

They pay her to talk about the thing she's actually got a degree in, communication, and she baits and switches on them. Have ANY of her speaking gigs NOT snuck in the topic of feminism ever since EGate?

[Couch]

Program for Australian Skeptics National Convention 2012, November 30
http://i.imgur.com/OuL4m.jpg

I have friend who lives in the future. He has sent me a transcript of Beccy Whatnot's talk that she will be giving in Australia this November. Here you go:

So I was in the bar last night and, uh...[audience laughs]...yeah I know, right! Ahaha! So I was in the...erm...the bar last night, and PZ was there and...[audience whoops]...yeah, right, go PZ! Let's hear it for PZ...[drinks "water" while audience chants the Meyers Incantation. Meyers responds with a gracious blessing motion]. So...errm...so I was in the bar last night, and, so, PZ turns to me and is, like, "Aren't you talking tomorrow, Beccy?". [audience makes "uh oh" noise, like this is a sitcom] And, - ahaha I know, right? - I'm like "no, that's not until...oh crap, you're right!" [audience laughs, forgetting they've paid actual money to watch this].

I know, right? Ahaha. So, I'm like "PZ, what am I supposed to be talking about, because" - ahaha - "I haven't even looked at the program yet." Ahaha. And PZ - all credit to the guy, he stepped up because I was so wasted at this point - it was, like, 9.30 - that I had, like, no chance of...ahaha...like no chance of getting my shit together enough to find out. And PZ said something about...I'm wasted at this point right?...something...ahaha...something about social media and feminism, or it might have been atheism, I don't know because...ahaha...I don't know, because I was, like...ahaha...I was, like, wasted at this point.

So, long story short, I...ahaha, I know, right...long story short, I didn't get round to writing the talk to go with my published title. I know, right? Ahaha. So instead, I thought I'd read to you a little story. So I printed off this piece I wrote for Slate recently [audience whoops like they've got 10,000 Volts going through their sphincters] yeah, I know, right? Ahaha. So, I printed this thing off at the hotel and...I know, right? Ahaha...printed it off at at the hotel and I thought I'd read it out, which is actually pretty cool, right? Like a beat smack poetry session or something? Ahaha.

I know, right?

Ha ha! Pissed myself! (like, seriously, I think a couple of drops actually did squeeze out).

[BarnOwl]

Allow me to translate from The Peezus:

Pay attention to me:

I've got a job. A cushy academic white-collar job. Feel my pain.

Then I have to do what everyone else trying to cram their ass on an airplane is trying to do. Then we will overlook the wonder that is air travel and complain about that.

I might be bored by having to wait. Entertain me, life, dammit.

Some people are still dumb enough to listen to what I have to say. I hate it. And I will hate it even more when they wise up.

People may not understand the brilliance that is me.

I will be tired. Put me down and read me a story.

Blah-blah-blah, me-me-me. I made a doody.

Pretty accurate, I'd say. Academic jobs are cushy, in the grand scheme of things. Unlike PeeZus, I can't take off on Fridays or Mondays, because of my lab teaching schedule - nor can I blow off and party at conventions on the weekends, because of experiments and grant- or manuscript-writing. But that's not a hardship - rather, it's part of having a full-time job. Being on one's feet for 5 hours straight, teaching gross anatomy, is nothing, compared to what millions of working people have to do. A cold front blew through here today, with wind and rain, but did I have to work outside in the wet and blustery weather? No. Do I ever have to work outdoors in the blazing sun when it's 110F? No. Has my university system employer ever failed to deposit my paycheck in my bank account? No. Have I ever had to worry that I won't be able to pay medical bills if I'm injured or if I get really sick? No, not since graduate school. Have I ever run out of money at the end of the month and worried about buying groceries? No, not since graduate school.

Cushy academic job is cushy.

And air travel is indeed a wonder, but it comes with a pretty heavy carbon emissions toll.

[franc]

More psychopath stuff -

http://chronicle.com/article/The-Psycho ... er/135160/

[Lsuoma]

Just my two cents, but I dumped Mysql due to stability issues. Moving over the MS SQL solved a whole bunch of problems.

Quite.
MS SQL is very nearly bullet-proof, and scales extremely well, if one owns the datacentre edition.
(This geek DB porn isn't going to need it's own thread, is it?)

No. I'm quite happy to leave it here (I'm a DB geek). MS SQL is in my experience OK, but only just.

[franc]

Just my two cents, but I dumped Mysql due to stability issues. Moving over the MS SQL solved a whole bunch of problems.

Quite.
MS SQL is very nearly bullet-proof, and scales extremely well, if one owns the datacentre edition.
(This geek DB porn isn't going to need it's own thread, is it?)

No. I'm quite happy to leave it here (I'm a DB geek). MS SQL is in my experience OK, but only just.

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

[Gumby]

Argh. Stupid post button. Anyway, Professor Ceiling Cat with two of the four horseman. And he describes this photo* as “Two Horsemen and a Pony Boy.”. Eat shit, Peezus, you two-bit nobody.

*http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... -the-boys/

Yeah, you can tell that Peezus would like to be there so bad he's bleeding out of his arsehole. He almost certainly hoped to replace Hitch as a Horseman, and I really do think that he might have believed he had a chance. About as much chance as pterodactyls flying out my arse!!!

I agree PZ would have cut off an arm to be grouped in with the Horsemen. But IMO PZ made two mistakes that prevented him from Horseman consideration.

First, he took the concept of New Atheism - which was supposed to simply be a more open, uncloseted version of atheism that wasn't afraid to speak out about what it saw as the illogic and harm of religion - and tried to turn it into an in-your-face, screaming den of vicious insult and mockery that was itself largely stripped of reason and logic. The people who followed PZ's definition of New Atheism became that collection of angry unbalanced wankers known as the Pharyngula commentariat. They remain penned up there in PZ's asylum, largely ignored by the overwhelming majority of the atheist community, because the larger community recognizes how poisonous and harmful PZ's philosophy is to atheism.

Second, of course, is his descent into the madness that follows from trying to force together his hysterical screaming version of New Atheism with "all men are scum" radfeminism. Up until then, I think PZ still maintained a modicum of respect in the overall community, but after Elevatorgate etc., people just started looking at him and going, "OK, you're a fucking idiot... why did I ever take you seriously?"

PZ used to write some very informative, thought-provoking stuff in his earlier days. His analyses of the horrors and excesses of religion were often brilliant, and his evolutionary science writing was top-notch. If he hadn't gone off the deep end in the two areas I mentioned above, he would today be a greatly respected voice in the community, maybe even respected enough to be considered for Horseman status. But now he has relegated himself to the position of the lunatic relative that most people in the family don't like to talk about, except in hushed gossipy whispers at family reunions.

Compare his blog posts from a few years ago and today, and it's like looking at two different people. Something bad happened to him, and the end result sure ain't pretty.

[decius]

Peezus fails at the first basic requirements for horsemanship - being a published author on the subject of atheism and a public intellectual.
He never published anything and any mention of his name outside a few internet circles mostly elicits blank stares.
Any hope he might have entertained to get there by other means is pious nonsense, at this relatively early stage of the digital information age.

[Git Mobile]

The fucking scary/amazing (delete as applicable) thing about MS is that Visual Studio is possibly the best dev tool extant. And I must say I've been very impressed with Win 7 as well.

[decius]

Incidentally, people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Vic Stenger beat Peezus's credentials by two orders of magnitude.

[Dick Strawkins]

Peezus fails at the first basic requirements for horsemanship - being a published author on the subject of atheism and a public intellectual.
He never published anything and any mention of his name outside a few internet circles mostly elicits blank stares.
Any hope he might have entertained to get there by other means is pious nonsense, at this relatively early stage of the digital information age.

The one thing that got him noticed by non-atheists was that stunt he did with the nail and the catholic eucharist cracker. He is afraid to mention it these days because he tore up a few pages of the Koran at the same time (plus a few pages of 'The God Delusion' (- hating Dawkins even then ;) ) )
He's scared that the koran stuff will garner unwanted Terry Jones like attention so he is forced to keep quiet about the whole thing.
What's happened his book?
I wonder what response he's had from the likes of Dawkins and Harris when he asks them for a quote for the cover!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Myers is an intellectual coward and would never have qualified as a "Horsman". He doesn't have much bravado IRL (although I remember him and Aron Ra taking a couple muslims to task on embryology). Now, compare this to Richard Dawkins' "The Root of all Evil". Or even (and here I keep some sort of reservation*) Bill Maher's Religulous.



*Because i'm not a huge fan of some of his woo.

[Dilurk]

Do I finally make my position clear?

Twice as clear!

Some people do need to hear it twice rephrased differently to comprehend and there are new users here who haven't read the entire thread.

I know what bigotry is, I have seen it personally. I am against stupidity and ignorance. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

[Dilurk]

Myers is an intellectual coward and would never have qualified as a "Horsman". He doesn't have much bravado IRL (although I remember him and Aron Ra taking a couple muslims to task on embryology). Now, compare this to Richard Dawkins' "The Root of all Evil". Or even (and here I keep some sort of reservation*) Bill Maher's Religulous.



*Because i'm not a huge fan of some of his woo.

Oh the supposed anti-vaccination woo. He's not an anti-vaxer in the same way the mercury-causes-autism nutbars are, but he does wonder if we need all the vaccinations being suggested in childhood. This would be a great time for ERV to step in and set him straight.

[franc]

Something bad happened to him, and the end result sure ain't pretty.

Same thing that happens to all ideological maniacs when they cloister themselves from reality and listen to nothing but the echoes of their own derangements and choruses of "me too!!!" from the cult locked up there with them. The connection to the real world is lost, what intellect existed fades as there is no stimulus of challenge anymore. The pattern is always the same, from Manson to Jim Jones to Marshall Applewhite. Only variable is the outcome of the final meltdown.

[Dilurk]

Something bad happened to him, and the end result sure ain't pretty.

Same thing that happens to all ideological maniacs when they cloister themselves from reality and listen to nothing but the echoes of their own derangements and choruses of "me too!!!" from the cult locked up there with them. The connection to the real world is lost, what intellect existed fades as there is no stimulus of challenge anymore. The pattern is always the same, from Manson to Jim Jones to Marshall Applewhite. Only variable is the outcome of the final meltdown.

To bring up an old thread/idea, I still think he's suffering from the heart surgery he had. Though in that thread it was argued he was always that way, I still wonder.

[decius]

I wonder what response he's had from the likes of Dawkins and Harris when he asks them for a quote for the cover!

Not to mention his ideological, emotional, unmotivated, wishful-thinking-driven, blanket opposition to evo psych. On occasion, he can be as committed an anti-intellectual as the creotards he opposes.

[cunt]

I thought the "4 horsemen" thing was tounge-in-cheek and only related to some book sales circa 2006/7. Nothing to do with intellectual bravado.

[decius]

I thought the "4 horsemen" thing was tounge-in-cheek and only related to some book sales circa 2006/7. Nothing to do with intellectual bravado.

Yes and no. I read it also as a sort of public endorsement of the other three by Dawkins, which led to shared public appearances, video productions and a recurrent and useful meme in the media.

[Lsuoma]

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

Dealing with MS is NOWHERE near as bad as dealing with Oracle, IME. They are by far the worst company to do business with that I have ever hd the misfortune to encounter...

The company I work for, however, could not continue in business without Oracle at present, so I have the misfortune to continue to have to deal with them...

[Lsuoma]

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

Dealing with MS is NOWHERE near as bad as dealing with Oracle, IME. They are by far the worst company to do business with that I have ever hd the misfortune to encounter...

The company I work for, however, could not continue in business without Oracle at present, so I have the misfortune to continue to have to deal with them...

[Lsuoma]

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

Dealing with MS is NOWHERE near as bad as dealing with Oracle, IME. They are by far the worst company to do business with that I have ever hd the misfortune to encounter...

The company I work for, however, could not continue in business without Oracle at present, so I have the misfortune to continue to have to deal with them...

[Dilurk]

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

Dealing with MS is NOWHERE near as bad as dealing with Oracle, IME. They are by far the worst company to do business with that I have ever hd the misfortune to encounter...

The company I work for, however, could not continue in business without Oracle at present, so I have the misfortune to continue to have to deal with them...

Jaba the hut is dead.

[ReneeHendricks]

Sigh. I'm a MySQL troglodyte.

[mordacious1]

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
by decius » Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:24 am

Incidentally, people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Vic Stenger beat Peezus's credentials by two orders of magnitude.

The remaining 3 horsemen have already stated that Ayaan was supposed to be the 5th Horseman, but due to scheduling conflicts (and maybe safety concerns) she couldn't be there for the filming of the original talk. Ayaan has more intellect in her toenail than PeePee has in his entire pudgy body. And just to show that this isn't just PZ hating, that goes for me too and many of the educated men I know. She's a smart woman, a very good writer and is courageous. All of which PZ is not (although his really trying on that first one).

[mordacious1]

^^he's^^ (I just woke up)

[decius]

She's a smart woman, a very good writer and is courageous. All of which PZ is not (although his really trying on that first one).

So far he has succeeded in being a cunt. The rest of the missing anatomy is unlikely to materialise, though.

[cunt]

Yes. I am SLAMMING MY HEAD ON MY DESK OVER AND AGAIN!!!!! It's not fucking misogyny: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... lt-choice/

Ophelia is such a complete and utter moron. Why, oh why, do I subject myself to her raving lunatic posts????

I'm appalled too. She's still using Internet Explorer!!!! :shock:

That said, the IE that comes with Windows WP phones is the mutt's nuts. Best phone browser I've ever used.

LOL I didn't even pay attention to that. As a web dev, I have Opera, Chrome, FF, Safari, and a few versions of IE - all open and used depending upon which monitor I'm looking at. Though, I have to admit to not being a fan of IE.

IE's engine is solid, but the app itself is just...well, it's "enterprise software". So functional, but you have to be beaten a lot to actually like it.

Trident is and always will be a complete bag of shit that doesn't need to exist. Fuck IE. My life would be so much easier if people had the common fucking sense to use webkit browsers.

[Scented Nectar]

The one thing that got him noticed by non-atheists was that stunt he did with the nail and the catholic eucharist cracker. He is afraid to mention it these days because he tore up a few pages of the Koran at the same time (plus a few pages of 'The God Delusion' (- hating Dawkins even then ;) ) )
He's scared that the koran stuff will garner unwanted Terry Jones like attention so he is forced to keep quiet about the whole thing.
What's happened his book?
I wonder what response he's had from the likes of Dawkins and Harris when he asks them for a quote for the cover!

As of a couple weeks ago when I looked, the US version of Amazon had a promised release date of Jan 2013 (or was it Dec 2012?), but the Canadian Amazon is saying Aug 2013!!! He had promised for a long time beforehand that it would be THIS last August, the one a few months ago, 2012. My prediction is that the book will be vapourware.

[Lsuoma]

Reminder - Pit going down for maintenance at 11.00 PST today. Back up before 12.30.

[cunt]

Trident is and always will be a complete bag of shit that doesn't need to exist. Fuck IE. My life would be so much easier if people had the common fucking sense to use webkit browsers.

Sorry, just got off the phone with an arsehole client who wants his website to run perfect in ie7.

[Dilurk]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=246423 Beccypoo is getting a beating I see. We aren't the only forum attacking her.

[welch]

Just my two cents, but I dumped Mysql due to stability issues. Moving over the MS SQL solved a whole bunch of problems.

Quite.
MS SQL is very nearly bullet-proof, and scales extremely well, if one owns the datacentre edition.
(This geek DB porn isn't going to need it's own thread, is it?)

MSSQL is solid, although the setup and admin tools are not nearly as good as what MS creates for AD and Exchange. But DB servers are quite often created by people who want you to prove your worth. It's not as bullet proof as Oracle or DB2 can be, but it also doesn't require gold-pressed latinum as payment.

I've not had any problems with MySQL, but i'm cautious about things, which always helps. My biggest beef with MySQL is that it is so firmly in the open source "fuck you if you won't read source code" world.The admin tools are almost nonexistant, and I think a lot of people move off it because they have other shit to do in their day than deal with 1990s-era admin tools.

[Lsuoma]

Moving this to 10.00 PDT. Something urgent has come up that I need to deal with at 11.00.

[welch]

Just leave this here -

http://www.theferrett.com/ferrettworks/ ... -a-coffee/

That piece you linked is essentially another version of the "don't make passes at women" argument that you hear from baboolies when they are asked to be specific about anti-harrassment policies that would prevent something like elevatorgate.
The argument goes something like this: Women face so many instances of men trying to chat them up that, taken together, these individual passes add up to a feeling of harrassment.
A individual man, making a single attempt at a pass, can therefore contribute to the harrassment of women.
Even if he is not trying to chat up the woman, say he just wants to talk about something she has said or ask her opinions on something, it can still count as harrassment since some chat up lines are often virtually identical to non-sexual conversational openers.
This IS a logical argument.
The trouble is that putting into effect anti-harrassment policies that would cover this definition of harrassment would entail preventing virtually all chance of normal human interaction, both sexual and non-sexual.
I would actually love to see them try this, just to see what would happen.

The entire essay can be reproduced in a sentence, applicable to pretty much all interactions: "Don't be a douche".

But I think there's a larger issue, and it's not sex or hitting on or any of that. It's the "everyone is a special fucking flower". WHen I was a kid, one of the things drilled into me was "don't disturb people who are busy.". If you see someone reading, don't disturb them, they are Busy. Writing? Don't disturb them, they are Busy. Etc. "Busy" became a superior state, and you didn't have to know what they were doing, just that they were Busy doing it. To this day, it takes something fairly important to me and the other person for me to interrupt them, and i'm very apologetic in doing so. Because i wasn't raised to think i'm the center of the fucking universe. It was a cruel, harsh lesson, but one I was taught at a young age, and I'm glad I was.

But skip ahead 20 years, and now you have kids in their 20s who were raised that way. They were raised to think their needs are the most important thing, and that you win just by trying. Mom and Dad just cranked out yet another 12-hour day? Sucks to be them, they best be chauffering you to your fucking soccer game and all the rest. My minion is astounded that I have told schools "No, we have to reschedule that appointment, I cannot take time off from work" even when it involved my kid. The first time she did that, she said she really felt like a grownup. Then she spazzed she was a bad mother, and I told her:

"Dude, I've watched you. You are one of the most involved, caring parents i've ever seen. The fact you aren't letting your kid's school run your life doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you a person with a backbone and priorities. It does kids good to learn that while they are VERY important in your life, they are not the center of your universe, and sometimes, other things will be more important. Like the things that keep them fed and clothed. Balancing it is tricky, but you have to balance it."

That's how bad it is. If you put ANYTHING in front of your kids now, you're a BAD PERSON. And we wonder why the little bastards have no clue that when someone is Busy, you leave them the fuck alone? We are mystified that they are unable to comprehend their needs and wants aren't the most important thing on the planet? The only thing I wonder is why this is a mystery AT ALL.

[welch]

Just my two cents, but I dumped Mysql due to stability issues. Moving over the MS SQL solved a whole bunch of problems.

Quite.
MS SQL is very nearly bullet-proof, and scales extremely well, if one owns the datacentre edition.
(This geek DB porn isn't going to need it's own thread, is it?)

No. I'm quite happy to leave it here (I'm a DB geek). MS SQL is in my experience OK, but only just.

Ever seen MS SQL licensing? Quite aside from price, the confusion wants to make you slash your wrists. But if you want real torture, try and understand their terminal server licensing. I digress - it is odd seeing people say nice things about Microsoft stuff. I happened to grow very fond of Active Directory - grew into a pretty neat thing after an ugly start.

With the aforementioned exception of MSSQL, MS admin tools are awesome. Win Server still however *desperately* needs a solid version of SSH and a full command line, because sometimes, terminal services don't cut it.

But yeah, their licensing is pants. It drove one of their largest customers to Google for mail and all the rest.

[welch]

Myers is an intellectual coward and would never have qualified as a "Horsman". He doesn't have much bravado IRL (although I remember him and Aron Ra taking a couple muslims to task on embryology). Now, compare this to Richard Dawkins' "The Root of all Evil". Or even (and here I keep some sort of reservation*) Bill Maher's Religulous.



*Because i'm not a huge fan of some of his woo.

the best demonstration of that ever was the gelato guy. PZ said fuck nothing to him in person, but once a few hundred miles away, he turned into motherfucking THOR, raining down the thunder of his anger.

He's a fucking coward, nothing more, and quite a bit less.

[welch]

Trident is and always will be a complete bag of shit that doesn't need to exist. Fuck IE. My life would be so much easier if people had the common fucking sense to use webkit browsers.

Sorry, just got off the phone with an arsehole client who wants his website to run perfect in ie7.

I was unclear. I'm never speaking well of IE prior to 8/9. After that dmarc, things got much better.

[ERV]

Myers is an intellectual coward and would never have qualified as a "Horsman". He doesn't have much bravado IRL (although I remember him and Aron Ra taking a couple muslims to task on embryology). Now, compare this to Richard Dawkins' "The Root of all Evil". Or even (and here I keep some sort of reservation*) Bill Maher's Religulous.



*Because i'm not a huge fan of some of his woo.

Oh the supposed anti-vaccination woo. He's not an anti-vaxer in the same way the mercury-causes-autism nutbars are, but he does wonder if we need all the vaccinations being suggested in childhood. This would be a great time for ERV to step in and set him straight.

I tried. His people never called my people. :(

[Lsuoma]

I've changed the board settings to perform an IP check whenever anyone logs in. If the IP is listed as spammy in a couple of RBL lists (spamcop.net and spamhaus.org) the session will be disallowed. Please let me know if this slows you down at all.

[Dilurk]

As blu says, this http://musingsbysoggymog.blogspot.co.uk ... -guide.htm is beyond awesome.

[Dilurk]

I've changed the board settings to perform an IP check whenever anyone logs in. If the IP is listed as spammy in a couple of RBL lists (spamcop.net and spamhaus.org) the session will be disallowed. Please let me know if this slows you down at all.

Can you add a quick preview button for the quick submit ? Sometimes want to quickly add a url and then make sure it was properly done on a quick submit without needing the full editor.

[Lsuoma]

I've changed the board settings to perform an IP check whenever anyone logs in. If the IP is listed as spammy in a couple of RBL lists (spamcop.net and spamhaus.org) the session will be disallowed. Please let me know if this slows you down at all.

Can you add a quick preview button for the quick submit ? Sometimes want to quickly add a url and then make sure it was properly done on a quick submit without needing the full editor.

Dunno. Let me check.

[Lsuoma]

I've changed the board settings to perform an IP check whenever anyone logs in. If the IP is listed as spammy in a couple of RBL lists (spamcop.net and spamhaus.org) the session will be disallowed. Please let me know if this slows you down at all.

Can you add a quick preview button for the quick submit ? Sometimes want to quickly add a url and then make sure it was properly done on a quick submit without needing the full editor.

Dunno. Let me check.

Yes, but it may need some downtime. If so, I'll do it this afternoon (PDT).

[Dilurk]

Myers is an intellectual coward and would never have qualified as a "Horsman". He doesn't have much bravado IRL (although I remember him and Aron Ra taking a couple muslims to task on embryology). Now, compare this to Richard Dawkins' "The Root of all Evil". Or even (and here I keep some sort of reservation*) Bill Maher's Religulous.



*Because i'm not a huge fan of some of his woo.

Oh the supposed anti-vaccination woo. He's not an anti-vaxer in the same way the mercury-causes-autism nutbars are, but he does wonder if we need all the vaccinations being suggested in childhood. This would be a great time for ERV to step in and set him straight.

I tried. His people never called my people. :(

You own a bikini?

I was startled to read

PZ Myers

November 19, 2009
“cranky old men”? Moi? I have been dissed!

I can match your offer: I’ll teach him developmental biology in a bikini.

[Dilurk]

I've changed the board settings to perform an IP check whenever anyone logs in. If the IP is listed as spammy in a couple of RBL lists (spamcop.net and spamhaus.org) the session will be disallowed. Please let me know if this slows you down at all.

Can you add a quick preview button for the quick submit ? Sometimes want to quickly add a url and then make sure it was properly done on a quick submit without needing the full editor.

Dunno. Let me check.

Yes, but it may need some downtime. If so, I'll do it this afternoon (PDT).

Cool beans!

[Guest]

Is there anybody on the internet who uses the word "cunt" as often as this cunt?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7487 ... 825fbf.png

[Scented Nectar]

TrollsNews has covered an attack that happened to A+theism forums. Since we didn't do it, I wonder who they pissed off. A 4chan group or something? The question should be more like, who HAVEN'T they pissed off?

[youtube]SmlPZRr7KYc[/youtube]

[ReneeHendricks]

Is there anybody on the internet who uses the word "cunt" as often as this cunt?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7487 ... 825fbf.png

Shit. Is the old bat whining again?

[welch]

Is there anybody on the internet who uses the word "cunt" as often as this cunt?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7487 ... 825fbf.png

oh lord, could she whine any more? All she's missing is shittily-dyed black hair, and a tattoo of a tear on her cheek. She probably listens to linkin park in her bedroom in the dark while writing shitty poetry.

[Lsuoma]

Cool beans!

All done. LMK if I fucked up.