Periodic Table of Swearing

[Optimus Primate]

Hang on a minute. I've just seen this quote on Ophelia's dumb shit blog:

Ophelia Benson says:
July 19, 2012 at 7:34 pm

If a friend of mine send me an email like that I would never consider publishing it without talking to my friend first (yet another way in which I find myself sympathising with Amy) about what level of ridicule she might attract in response.

That is yet another disgusting thing to say, on about eight different levels.

You’re done here for tonight.

The poster Opelia's quoting here (Corylus) has a point: if Amy had been so distressed and under severe pressure etc., then shouldn't Ophelia actually have not published Amy's statement, even if Amy had actually given her consent? After all, OB would surely have had to have been both as thick as pigshit and unempathic as a pasture cow not to see the potential fallout from this statement. I mean, couldn't she see that it might be potentially triggering for Amy? Especially what with all the 'stress' and 'harassment' Amy has been having to deal with for such a long time.

Unless of course Amy was being a little disingenous in her histrionics - and Ophelia was aware of that.

Anyways, the comment has been screencapped, just in case.

What the...? How in the...? In what alternate fucking universe is what Corylus said in any way, shape, or form disgusting?!

[Patrick]

It's fucking basket weaving, and way, way, way overpriced. Her gewgaws do not deserve the honour of being called art.

Let's get a grip here.

Have you ever weaved a basket?? Thats fucking HARD! *FOUR-H MOTHER FUCKAHS!!!*

And I love Amys art! Very colorful, but needs more glitter! I would totally put it up on the fridge*!



*Ive been hanging out with a 6 and 8 year old a lot lately, so my ruler might be a bit skewed...

Well, it's a law of physics that anything you put glitter on, automagically becomes art...

... !!

The power of glitter cannot be overstressed here.

Strippers are art?

Wait, bad punctuation. Strippers are art!

[franc]

Purge-a-palooza at Ophelia's t-shirtgate comment thread - Amy's gibberish never existed. Captured the main bits. Anything else that needs to be retrieved while caches still available?

It is still there:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-223155

Hrrm, OK. Something to note for future reference - when comments flow into a second page, it breaks all previous links. Click this -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-223155

[sacha]

You have far more patience than I, my dear. I wouldn't last 5 minutes without telling someone off.

You have my respect and admiration.

I'm so pleased you are here.

The only times I do sympathise is when some pseudo-science guru uses someone's grief to betray them for money, be it homeopathic, or other bogus "cures", or those who claim to speak to the dead. Also if you deceive the elderly, or disabled, or children, or any animal. Basically if one has a disadvantage to begin with, they have my full support, and my empathy, otherwise, stand up, dust yourself off, and be wiser the next time.

sacha, I like it when you say things.

I wish there were more people like you here in the Heart of Dixie. Or, better yet, any people like you here in the Heart of Dixie.

[Michael K Gray]

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational Inquiry”
― Richard Dawkins

[Optimus Primate]

You have far more patience than I, my dear. I wouldn't last 5 minutes without telling someone off.

You have my respect and admiration.

HA! No, I don't have a lick of patience. That gets me in trouble on a regular basis. I just stay here because of family.

Case in point: I was a pallbearer at a funeral not long ago. Another pallbearer saw the Darwin Fish car tag on my car and decided that right before a graveside service would be a good time to pick a fight about it. "Dafuck is that 'posed to mean?!" he said with a scowl, while pointing at the Darwin fish.

I said, "It's good bait for those who aren't as evolved. Makes it a lot easier to pick my friends."

Somehow I came out of that situation as the asshole. <shrug>

But sometimes staying in trouble is more interesting than the alternative. :lol:

[Stretchycheese]

TAM's is looking brighter!

http://atheiststoday.com/images/pzquote.jpg

Indeed it is. TAM is indeed a lot better off without sanctimonious radfem dogmatists and drama queens.

PZ seems to think the word "asshole" means "any heretic who dares to not conform to our gender identity politics dogmatism." The divide is not a left vs. right politics either as PZ believes. My politcal views are left of centre as are many others who disagree with the FTB/Skepchick radfem dogmas.

[EveryMan]

What the...? How in the...? In what alternate fucking universe is what Corylus said in any way, shape, or form disgusting?!

Apparently a Universe where an elderly woman advertising that she feels safe is now a form of harassment!

[sacha]

"But sometimes staying in trouble is more interesting than the alternative."

Touché!

You have far more patience than I, my dear. I wouldn't last 5 minutes without telling someone off.

You have my respect and admiration.

HA! No, I don't have a lick of patience. That gets me in trouble on a regular basis. I just stay here because of family.

Case in point: I was a pallbearer at a funeral not long ago. Another pallbearer saw the Darwin Fish car tag on my car and decided that right before a graveside service would be a good time to pick a fight about it. "Dafuck is that 'posed to mean?!" he said with a scowl, while pointing at the Darwin fish.

I said, "It's good bait for those who aren't as evolved. Makes it a lot easier to pick my friends."

Somehow I came out of that situation as the asshole. <shrug>

But sometimes staying in trouble is more interesting than the alternative. :lol:

[Unwanted Guest]

Re: The changed URLs for Surly Amy's T-shirtgate posts at B&W:

The FTB web developers appear to be adapting some of the blogs (incl. B&W and Pharyngula) to have multiple pages of comments--likely for (browser) performance reasons, and/or to increase the number of page views on long threads.

Benson's "In Your Face" blog posting has 500 comments on page 1, and the remainder (i.e., the latest comments) on "page 2" (which is actually the first page you see, under the original posting). The current Google cache of the same page, however, has 607 comments, with no page break (and no "comment-page-1" subfolder in the permalinks, either).

So it would appear that the code revision recently implemented by the FTB web developers is going to break the "permalink" (ha-ha, just kidding!) URL for every comment that's ever been posted there, on the blogs where they've made that change--it's clearly doing it retroactively, not just going forward.

As the saying goes, never attribute to Orwellian malice that which can be accounted for by baboon-like incompetence.

[KiwiInOz]

Re: The changed URLs for Surly Amy's T-shirtgate posts at B&W:

The FTB web developers appear to be adapting some of the blogs (incl. B&W and Pharyngula) to have multiple pages of comments--likely for (browser) performance reasons, and/or to increase the number of page views on long threads.

Benson's "In Your Face" blog posting has 500 comments on page 1, and the remainder (i.e., the latest comments) on "page 2" (which is actually the first page you see, under the original posting). The current Google cache of the same page, however, has 607 comments, with no page break (and no "comment-page-1" subfolder in the permalinks, either).

So it would appear that the code revision recently implemented by the FTB web developers is going to break the "permalink" (ha-ha, just kidding!) URL for every comment that's ever been posted there, on the blogs where they've made that change--it's clearly doing it retroactively, not just going forward.

As the saying goes, never attribute to Orwellian malice that which can be accounted for by baboon-like incompetence.

Damn. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust. How will we cope? :?

[franc]

As the saying goes, never attribute to Orwellian malice that which can be accounted for by baboon-like incompetence.

Noted and amended. What are we? Baboons?

[Guest]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-226368

Someone just left this message for Ophelia: "I honestly don’t get the vitriol directed at you Ophelia, you seem very down-to-earth and open-minded and just, well, nice. And your blog is one of my favorites. I know you’d be willing to have an open and honest dialogue with people like Paula Kirby and Abbie Smith about your differences, if they were open to it. I would really love to see that happen, it’s sad to see so much infighting. It’s just so unnecessary."

I'm curious as to how she'll react.

[DW Adams]

Why do I feel like Ophelia made that up?

[franc]

Why do I feel like Ophelia made that up?

Doubt it. I wish *I* made that up.

[Useless Guest]

"Why do I feel like Ophelia made that up?"

I don't think she'd even suggest a possible dialog with Abbie Smith. She's highly negative on ERV and all things related.

[franc]

"Why do I feel like Ophelia made that up?"

I don't think she'd even suggest a possible dialog with Abbie Smith. She's highly negative on ERV and all things related.

Tell her I want my boot back.

[Bob of QF]

TAM's is looking brighter!

http://atheiststoday.com/images/pzquote.jpg

No, PZ. It is the atheist/skeptic movement ignoring and ridiculing a 1% breakaway faction who are loud, boorish, arrogant, but very wrong.

We won't miss you. The movement won't miss you. See ya. Mind the door on the way out.

Tosser.

Exactly. He and his cronies are just whiny.

[Bob of QF]

"Why do I feel like Ophelia made that up?"

I don't think she'd even suggest a possible dialog with Abbie Smith. She's highly negative on ERV and all things related.

Pure jealousy.... that's what it is in a nutshell... poor-poor O.

[rayshul]

ERMAGERD my baby just stood up for the first time! Because the Slimepit totally wants to know that, hahaha.

I know that colour blind study well, and arguments about it are why I'm a race traitor!

I've always wanted to go to TAM (even if it's a million miles away) and it sounds like next year might be my year!

[KiwiInOz]

ERMAGERD my baby just stood up for the first time! Because the Slimepit totally wants to know that, hahaha.

Awesome. And you got the 2000th comment.

My baby got his L plates yesterday. :cry:

[masakari2012]

I wonder if this forum will end at post 2012, lol.

[Annoying Guest]

Okay, I'll take these in reverse order. Lying by omission? Are you fucking serious? <snip>

I think we're talking past each other. The particular scenario I had in mind was someone who would go out on several dates until sex happens and then never contacts that person again. In a sex on the same day/night as first meeting someone scenario, there isn't much to condemn or assume into there. Certainly I agree there should be no assumption of a relationship just from sex, although I think that conversation comes up quite often the next morning.

There was an interesting case a few years ago. Quick googling led me to this. Basically arab man is said to have claimed to be jewish to have sex with a jewish woman. She claims rape by deception. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say rape, but I would say the man in this case behaved unethically if he said or implied he was jewish when he was not. On the other hand, if the women never asked or made it clear that was important to her and instead just assumed he was jewish, then I'd say she acted unethically by bringing the case against him. Hard to be certain from such an article, but it says the former is the case.

Although thinking about it further, I'm not sure the first scenario I had in mind would even count as a PUA strategy. Which suggests I may be more biased against them than I assumed. *Goes off to do research.*

[masakari2012]

[youtube]Zl_A_lJ06yg[/youtube]

[Jonathan]

Oops - looks like this poor blogger was caught unawares when he dared to venture an opinion on Amy's harassing t-shirt without knowing that FTB is in reality an absurdist comedy with Pythonesque overtones: http://teafueledmadness.blogspot.co.uk/ ... wkins.html

As ever, FfTB fuels its own ridiculousness by alienating...well, pretty much everyone really.

Not joking-- We need like an outreach team to find and help the folks at the receiving end of this shit. Has someone shot Philip1978 a message?

Hello. As someone who knows Philip personally, I wanted to comment and say that it takes more than the petty bullshit FTB can muster to keep him down. I don't think even tranquillisers would do the job :lol:

On another note I wanted to say that it was a nice thought, and I'm sure he would appreciate it.

[TedDahlberg]

In any event, your society does not appear to have gone far enough down the road as far as Sweden:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/go ... of-sweden/

Three seconds of bodily touching between two persons in a relationship who normally have sex – including oral – every time they meet is however regarded as a serious crime in Sweden. It does not matter that they after this incident had sex as usual as soon as they were reunited after her trip to Finland.

(This is interesting, because the above law if applied to my ex-wife would have had her convicted of rape and spending many years in prison, given the number of times I woke up with her straddling me and going at it with abandon. I doubt it though, laws like this appear to be male only, females being exempt)

Sorry, but allow me to call bullshit on that article. First, it's true that there are radical feminists in Sweden and that they occasionally get taken more seriously than is perhaps warranted. Second, the story referenced is, from what I can tell, pulled from a book defending Julian Assange regarding his Swedish legal troubles. Whether or not Assange is guilty of anything he's accused of (I don't know and I don't care one way or the other), he and supporters of his have spent the duration of his fighting extradition to Sweden spreading lies and distortions about the Swedish legal system (no, I'm not claiming our system is perfect, but it's no more imperfect than that of any other Western country, nor more weighted against men). So an unreferenced story from a book with a vested interest in casting suspicions on the legal system it discusses? About as credible as Elevator Guys or Monopod Men. Might have happened, probably didn't happen as told.

I don't mean to rant, I'm just allergic to misrepresentations. There are actual problems to criticise Sweden for, there's no need to invent new ones. I hope I don't come across as some mad patriot, this just happens to be something I feel halfway qualified to comment on.

[Sulaco]

The Baboon convention (magical) harassment policy as explained by Facebones.

[youtube]SScWv0b1wVg[/youtube]

Murderface sums up my reaction quite nicely.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

There are actual problems to criticise Sweden for

For a start, you have way too much talented musicians and metal bands. Same goes for Norway and Finland. Think of the children!

[Michael K Gray]

I now have my huge (6" diameter)
     Hi, I'm
Elevator Guy!
buttons from Scented Nectar's store.
I might wear to the next humanist/atheist meeting, and see what reaction I receive.
I expect a fair bit of jealousy might arise.
(They can "suffer in their jocks", as we Aussies are wont to utter.)

[rayshul]

Hello. As someone who knows Philip personally, I wanted to comment and say that it takes more than the petty bullshit FTB can muster to keep him down. I don't think even tranquillisers would do the job :lol:

On another note I wanted to say that it was a nice thought, and I'm sure he would appreciate it.

I actually did go there and make a post - but I couldn't log in since I don't have any of those posting-types you need to do blogs. Bugger.

I don't really know where they're going to go next. First elevator coffee, now a t-shirt. Any bets? I've been trying to think and just... there's nothing I could possibly say.

[Michael K Gray]

 …Think of the children!

He's not a Catholic Priest, is he?

[TedDahlberg]

TAM's is looking brighter!

http://atheiststoday.com/images/pzquote.jpg

I think libertarianism is bloody stupid most of the time (not libertarians as persons, the -ism). That in no way makes me part of Myers' "sensible people". Divisive politics is why we can't have nice things. Right, that's it, I'm now officially blaming PZ Myers for the fact that we're all not riding around in space elevators powered by rainbows.
Hell, one of my co-workers is an elected representative in local government for a party I disagree with on nearly everything. They are however a lovely person and we get on swimmingly. Letting politics get in where it is in no way relevant ruins both the politics and the thing.
Thus endeth today's sermon to the choir.

[Michael K Gray]

 …
I don't really know where they're going to go next. First elevator coffee, now a t-shirt. Any bets? I've been trying to think and just... there's nothing I could possibly say.

Well, the Bensonites have already done the bizarre 'coquettish cartoon puppy slut' hilarity.
Now, let me see. For their business-model to grind on, they need at least a controversy per week, so they must manufacture more.
But what could be more extreme than "Misgynistic gender-traitor Slut-puppies forced to strip off stinky[1] T-Shirts with LETHAL magic spells on them in a locked elevator that has stalled in a DUNGEON of feminist DOOM by the ghost-traitor of Rear-Admiral Grace Hopper, assisted by the creepy spectre of Victor Ivanoff!"
Listen to the puppies.
You just don't 'get' it.
Here's your echidna.
(Oh noes, echidna is a rool scientist, isn't xe?)

Saunters off, whistling "poor pour pitiful xe"

______________________
[1] To all of the worldly-wise infantile whiners in FfTB complaining about the potential lack of hygiene from wearing a shirt 3 days in a row at a major Casino, have they NEVER heard of the hotel laundry service, specifically established to cater for this VERY CONTINGENCY??? You can pay to have your suit dry-cleaned, pressed and returned overnight, if not sooner! I don't think that laundering a single T-Shirt is going to phase the hotel laundry!
Jebbers H Christ on a crutch, you'd be forgiven for assuming that none of the whinging fuck-heads commenting on B&W or Oberstleutnant Myers ideology-driven blogs had never actually run a business in their lives. (Successfully)
Or even a paper delivery run on their treadly

[Jonathan]

Hello. As someone who knows Philip personally, I wanted to comment and say that it takes more than the petty bullshit FTB can muster to keep him down. I don't think even tranquillisers would do the job :lol:

On another note I wanted to say that it was a nice thought, and I'm sure he would appreciate it.

I actually did go there and make a post - but I couldn't log in since I don't have any of those posting-types you need to do blogs. Bugger.

I don't really know where they're going to go next. First elevator coffee, now a t-shirt. Any bets? I've been trying to think and just... there's nothing I could possibly say.

Well there was coffee (which I can understand, if he had offered her tea things would have been completely different :twisted: ), then clothing. Next up: someone looked at me in a way I didn't like and made me feel harassed/unwelcome/gnawed at the foundations of my oh-so-fragile self-esteem. Or: someone said in an off-hand fashion that he/she "doesn't read Skepchicks or sites like that."

It'll probably be something even more trivial. Just when I think they can't sink lower they find new ways to depress me.

[TedDahlberg]

There are actual problems to criticise Sweden for

For a start, you have way too much talented musicians and metal bands. Same goes for Norway and Finland. Think of the children!

It's part of our insidious plan to convert the world to Satanism, obviously. Have you ever tried to play the Swedish national anthem backwards? It's a prophecy of the day every square meter of the Earth has been converted to an IKEA store.

[windy]

There are actual problems to criticise Sweden for

For a start, you have way too much talented musicians and metal bands. Same goes for Norway and Finland. Think of the children!

Of course, we have metal bands for children as well, at least in Finland. Or is that what you meant? :twisted:

[youtube]vXhhlYdySqQ[/youtube]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Unrelated news: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... -colorado/

WTF is wrong these days?!?

[Michael K Gray]

Don't mention gun control.
The Yanks will go absolutely mental.
It is a pathology with them.

[rayshul]

You've yet to build one here. The whole country yearns for it.

I'm betting on dirty looks as the next step, too.

I went on a six week trip around the arctic with a few friends a couple of years ago, and while I went with the hotel and ship laundry services, my more enthusiastic friend did her washing in the sink, and let them dry in the bathroom overnight, to be ready in the morning. I'm wondering if the people who are posting about hygeine have maybe never travelled before?

[Michael K Gray]

You've yet to build one here. The whole country yearns for it.

I'm betting on dirty looks as the next step, too.

I went on a six week trip around the arctic with a few friends a couple of years ago, and while I went with the hotel and ship laundry services, my more enthusiastic friend did her washing in the sink, and let them dry in the bathroom overnight, to be ready in the morning. I'm wondering if the people who are posting about hygeine have maybe never travelled before?

Yep, you are probably correct.
The next vicious misogynistic targets are sure to be those who DARE to wear a t-shirt more than once, thus assaulting these 6year-old delicate flowers of womanhood.
Do you know the emergency number for the Fashion Police?
Triple "Oh!!"? Ducky.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

“It's not worth doing something unless someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing it.”
― Terry Pratchett

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sorry, sorry, I've got a better one:

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch

So, FTB 101 or Mornington Crescent...

[Jonathan]

This is a nice parody of those who fling the word "privilege" about with careless abandon that I thought I would share. Can't work out if the poster had FTB feminists in mind.

[Za-zen]

Sweet fucking Jesus, fftb is not part of the atheist movement. You can tell what a movement is at it's heart with what it's members find unaccetable. In the instance of fftb it's Libertarians, PUA's and MRA's!

So there you go fftb is a politically driven radfem blog network. Any atheist grouping wouldn't really give a fuck if people were libertarians, "hey do you believe in seperation of church and state? yes, well knock yourself fuckin out then, oh you believe that socialised anything is bad?! Oh well i don't agree with you, but hey that shit isn't really part of the deal"

Why the fuck would an atheist grouping be obsessed with demonising PUA's, declaring them immoral, seriously what the fuck? If someone wants to fuck you sideways then ditch you in the morning, tough fucking tittie, but since this is one of the worst possible insults on fftb it tells us that they are indeed dogmatic radfems.

MRA'S fuck me they hate MRA's, with absolute venom. When in fact they are the mirror reflection of feminists, maybe that's why they hate them

[TedDahlberg]

Well, if we're doing Pratcthett quotes, I've got one which applies quite well to FTB:

+++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

-Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Well, if we're doing Pratcthett quotes, I've got one which applies quite well to FTB:

+++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

-Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

Good ol' HEX had it figured out before us all...

[TedDahlberg]

‘There must be more interesting things. Hair. Clothes. People.’

‘Good grief. You mean girl talk?’

‘I don’t know. I’ve never talked girl talk before,’ said Cheery. ‘Dwarfs just talk.’

‘It’s like that in the Watch, too,’ said Angua. ‘You can be any sex you like provided you act male. There’s no men and women in the Watch, just a bunch of lads. You’ll soon learn the language. Basically, it’s how much beer you supped last night, how strong the curry was afterwards, and where you were sick. Just think egotesticle. You’ll soon get the hang of it. And you’ll have to be prepared for sexually explicit jokes in the Watch House.’

Cheery blushed.

‘Mind you, that seems to have ended now,’ said Angua.

‘Why? Did you complain?’

‘No, after I joined in it all seemed to stop,’ said Angua. ‘And, you know, they didn’t laugh? Not even when I did the hand gestures too? I thought that was unfair. Mind you, some of them were quite small gestures.’


-Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay.

[Michael K Gray]

...Why the fuck would an atheist grouping be obsessed with demonising PUA's, declaring them immoral, seriously what the fuck? If someone wants to fuck you sideways then ditch you in the morning, tough fucking tittie, but since this is one of the worst possible insults on fftb it tells us that they are indeed dogmatic radfems.
...

As the perspicacious franc is wont to allude:
They are not an "atheist group", they are not "skeptics", they are not "humanists".
They are a business, that has modeled itself on the Scientology scam, with all that entails.
Money, Ego stroking, Parasitism.

If Radfem noise, or refining atheism noise, or any other transparently noisy distracting fraud can achieve that goal, then they grab it with both hysterical hypocritical grubby hands.

Franc got it correct well before it twigged with me.

[Michael K Gray]

(Trigger warning to those who have a mental age of under 4.)
Contains Adult concepts.
[youtube]LbTDCqwCUYo[/youtube]

[Dilurk]

There are actual problems to criticise Sweden for

For a start, you have way too much talented musicians and metal bands. Same goes for Norway and Finland. Think of the children!

It's part of our insidious plan to convert the world to Satanism, obviously. Have you ever tried to play the Swedish national anthem backwards? It's a prophecy of the day every square meter of the Earth has been converted to an IKEA store.

Bugger. There goes our chances of space exploration if that happens.
Have you ever tried to get out of an IKEA store?

[Dilurk]

...Why the fuck would an atheist grouping be obsessed with demonising PUA's, declaring them immoral, seriously what the fuck? If someone wants to fuck you sideways then ditch you in the morning, tough fucking tittie, but since this is one of the worst possible insults on fftb it tells us that they are indeed dogmatic radfems.
...

As the perspicacious franc is wont to allude:
They are not an "atheist group", they are not "skeptics", they are not "humanists".
They are a business, that has modeled itself on the Scientology scam, with all that entails.
Money, Ego stroking, Parasitism.

If Radfem noise, or refining atheism noise, or any other transparently noisy distracting fraud can achieve that goal, then they grab it with both hysterical hypocritical grubby hands.

Franc got it correct well before it twigged with me.

Yes he did. I pointed this out to franc back in May when franc first mentioned the gravy train

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... rformance/

Each new post trying to outperform the previous one in outrage, in anger, in righteousness. This performance of acrimony and reproach turns into the “pile on”.

Sound familiar?

Call out culture might, at times, dangerously resemble bullying. However, it is not exactly the same. It certainly shares its outcome, however, unlike bullying, call out culture is part of the performative aspect of blogging. Unlike bullying, a call out is intended for an audience.

It's not for actually doing good, it's for garnering an audience. You need an audience if you are making $ from your blog don't you?

In the end, the call out is not done for the benefit of a collective goal, it is done for entertainment and shocking value. Call outs are to blogging what Big Brother voting rounds are to reality TV: you have been found wanting and you are now expelled from the house. Because, of course, this is what is rarely mentioned, someone might be attempting to audition for your seat.

This is then linked to the original http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/10/17/com ... bloodshed/

franc was of course right. Possibly these people are deluded into thinking they are clearly in the right and it has nothing at all to do with making money. I suspect the truth is a complex mix.

[justinvacula]

For PZ, only democrats can be the 'True Freethinkers,' it seems.

...and for all of this talk concerning getting women involved in the movement, it was quite interesting to see him (and others) being quite unwelcoming to Edwina Rogers! Listen to the women, PZ! Yes, but isn't the right answer!

[DW Adams]

I'm seeing "we don't need TAM, we can do our own thing" more frequently. And from the tone, they seem to think their following is so HUGE that it will affect future TAM's. Is there a way to break it to them that there are atheists/skeptics who have never even heard of them? Or that, from what I've seen around the web, they look like the 'bad guys' in this whole affair?

The drawback to living in an echochamber.

[Dilurk]

More from http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/10/17/com ... bloodshed/

In 1969, Carol Hanisch wrote the seminal essay that would become one of the dogmas of Feminism. She wrote: The personal is political. And this simple statement took off like wildfire. It spread into not just feminism but Social Justice and activism in general, and into practically every Social related struggle. Because it is true, the personal IS political. However, if I can concern troll this accepted truism for a second, in the blogging world, I am afraid, this postulate is also used to justify all kinds of nonsense, to the point that more often than not, we can no longer draw meaningful connections that examine many “personals” to draw the patterns that identify them as “a collective” and, as such, a general problem affecting many that needs to be addressed and solved.

PZ himself has said in his non-apology to TF youtube video "FreeThought includes social justice" (or words to that effect I believe) So he feels himself that the personal is fair game for the blogs at FfTB.

Personal Is Political used to mean “tell story, listen to stories, find common elements, act. Here’s my experience. It connects to social structures. Those are lived.” Not “meeee, my paaaain.”

Because sadly, that’s what’s happening nowadays. As Emily put it, we are expected to create “pity porn”, more and more grief for shock value. Or as I like to call it, “the pornification of Social Justice Blogging”. Bloggers are expected to exhibit the personal and the political for your amusement. We flail ourselves open. We bleed for your entertainment. We tell the stories of our struggles, we write about our daily lives, about our encounters with oppression, we harangue you to take our side. And the reader, the audience receives this as a performance.

Paraphrasing "Look at what happened to this poor representative of social justice, freedom from sexism, fighter for the american way! She got LAUGHED AT!"

Which is not to say that bloggers lie or that the audience believes them to be liars; that is not what I am suggesting here. I am saying that, because bloggers put content out for a live audience, and with a live audience in mind, there is a strong performative aspect to it. And in turn, this audience, more often than not, is also part of the production cycle, not only commenting on the blog in question, but creating spin off content as well. Hence, the prosumers

Folks, I have said it before I will say it again for the millionth time. Do we really need this kind of blogging style brought from the social activist (some are feminists) bloggers into any sort of scepticism or atheist movement? Surely the best course of action is to shun and ostracize those that partake of this nonsense? I believe Barnowl (?) has suggested this as well. Yes, we should continue to point out the sham but perhaps the ridicule being raised by the Freethoughtblohgs is enough and we the majority can move on.

[Michael K Gray]

[quote="Dilurk"]... So he feels himself that the personal is fair game for the blogs at FfTB.[quote][quote]
Exactly.
Just as blind Scientologists are encouraged to demonise 'the other' as 'fair game', and hound them to the ends of the earth, without mercy nor let-up, as those with Thetan level 7 hath pronounced it thus.
EXACTLY the same as Pharyngula, and L Ron Myers.
EXACLTY.

[Dilurk]

Has anyone else clicked on the 'shop' button at http://www.freethoughtblahgs.com/skeptichunt/ yet?

I am speechless because I am in stitches.

[DW Adams]

Bringing 22 persons to TAM = She's right

http://atheiststoday.com/images/eristatwitter.jpg

We had about an exchange after I commented on a Mr Wowbagger tweet. She then jumped in and tried to school me about the "facts". When I told her I knew all the facts available to anyone else online, she got irked and went this route.

$7000.00+ doesn't prevent you from receiving criticism.

[DW Adams]

Gah...i hate no editing. (I'm not used to using Preview, I know it's not your fault, it's mine)

*We had an exchange

[Scented Nectar]

Michael, that button may be a good conversation starter leading to um, you know... elevator coffee and sex. :)

[JAB]

Bringing 22 persons to TAM = She's right

http://atheiststoday.com/images/eristatwitter.jpg

We had about an exchange after I commented on a Mr Wowbagger tweet. She then jumped in and tried to school me about the "facts". When I told her I knew all the facts available to anyone else online, she got irked and went this route.

$7000.00+ doesn't prevent you from receiving criticism.

Since female registrations were down this year, I suspect that the Skepchicks chased more women away than they brought... so likely a net loss for TAM. Why should they be listened to again?