Periodic Table of Swearing

[Mykeru]

I just realized - didn't Matt say at one time that the ACA was with the A+ "movement", or that they agreed with them - something to that effect? That's one reason I have had nothing to do with the ACA - even not bothering to listen to the podcast. Assuming I'm correct, and maybe someone remembers better than I, how the hell can he say he's not wearing his "president of the ACA" hat to TF00t?

He only wears his ACA hat on one of his faces.

In one of his "brain dump" videos he says something to the effect that they were A+ before A+. However, it's hard to remember if he was referring to the ACA specifically, because he has this general "l'etat c'est moi" attitude. However, if you read the Atheist Experience blog, all of them, including Dillahunty and the other guy who is too bland to remember his name, Harris, Dees and ravenous attack poodle Martin Wagner are all on board and probably taking turns bailing and licking Dillahunty's ball sack.

[Michael K Gray]

...that one flower that smells like rotting meat.

Rafflesia. It is doubly appropriate in that is a giant parasite with no brain.

[rayshul]

Some whacko even wanted to contact JV's family, from memory.

Are we thinking it was a Baboon or an Aplusser?

I'm fairly sure it was a fringe mental case - but one who'd been goaded to go for his family by the hysteria surrounding A+ and its advocates. (I'm not blaming Baboons or A+ers for this - but it's clear that a lot of people who are predisposed toward stalking - heh - are coming out of the woodwork as a result.) It's recorded somewhere in the 'pit - although it'd definitely be a fair way back.

[Guest]

Lets get things clear here.
The writer of the article you linked, Kate Allen, completely disagreed with you and seemed to agree with the points that people on this forum have been making (that cunt is not much different than dick as an insult)
She did, however, mention that some people see the use of "cunt" as being misogynistic - although not in the way you describe.
The way Kate Allen described it, "cunt" is viewed as misogynistic because it was historically the most taboo swear word.
Therefore womens genitals are the worst thing you could be called - therefore misogyny.

It was nothing to do with some generalized pejorative for females, which is your entire point.

That's my reading of the article http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/200 ... oo_for_who

If you want to prove me wrong then you are free to post the specific quotes.
I'd be most interested to see them. :whistle:

I said it already in the quote before. I agree with her that calling a man a dick should not be considered worse than calling a woman cunt in an ideal world but she also makes this point which has to be considered.

In a liberated world, with both sexes truly equal, perhaps this would not matter. Until then however, in a world where women are still oppressed and continue to fight against that, this imbalance in status surely has some relevance to what words we consider 'bad'?

I know slimepitter=nutty MRA in FtBs-land but you may agree that women are still oppressed and this has an effect on the significance we give to insults directed at women by men, as we do to those applied to other oppressed groups by the oppressing group (I can't say the n-word or gay slur as Andrew will get his knickers in a twist about me being a racist homophobe)

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

[rayshul]

Okay, note to myself. READ THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD BEFORE YOU POST, DICKWIT.

Sigh, not very sharp today.

[aweraw]

"Is there a link for where [Matt let slip the back-channel discussion regarding naming A+] happened "

Skipping ahead of the thread to post this, so hopfully this isn't redundant:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =25#p21788

It was just after his 'curious' account was banned, and he came back logged into his eponymous account.

[rayshul]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

[Badger3k]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

For the longest time, I recall hearing that "only whites can be racist" trope, and could never buy it, especially when I saw the same shit coming out of people of all races/colors/sexes/what-have-you. That's at least going back to the 70s or 80s, and I wouldn't doubt it went back further.

Along the same lines is the "it's ok if we do it, but not if you do it" line of argument, first heard by me over the use of "nigger" by comedians and rappers. "He can use it because he's black, and you can't since you are not" was the line when questioned about it. Sorry, I can't buy that - is it ok or not - the person saying it shouldn't matter; either the word had the power or not.

Oolon's argument, as much as I can follow or care to look at (not ignored, just skimmed over) is like what we do at school. We try to get the kids to stop using some words that are deemed inappropriate for the school environment, but as I said, while we can somewhat get the kids to stop, they don't see them as problem words like the people in charge do. People can set up whatever rules they want for their home (or work, in some places - one place I went to, the clerk was deeply offended when I said "fuck", and this is in an Army town!) but no one is obliged to feel the same way about those words as they do. Hell, thanks to this argument, I've actually been using "cunt" more! So take that, Social Justice Warriors - something positive came out of your efforts, eh? Of course, that is normally only at home, at work I really have to watch my language, to set the example, but I've thought it.

[AndrewV69]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

As a resident MRA I must inform you that the MRM official party line is that ordinary, peace loving gentle men are being oppressed by the misandrist gynofacists that control the vagina supply.

This oppression by the matriarchy is evident in the fact that those uppity MRAs (who are merely, (not to mention humbly) just asking to be treated like any other yuman bean), are labelled as scum sucking vile evil mysognysts as they suffer under the jackboots of the white-knights and other manginas directed by their vile feminist overlords, who would never deign to soil their hands with so much as a swagger stick, never mind a cattle prod or a taser.

[Rystefn]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

Those fucking asshats have gone out and redefined the words "racism" and "sexism" to specifically exclude shit against white men, and are teaching their bullshit wrong definitions in college classrooms. I got a lot of flak for refuting my "Multicultural Studies" professor on that with Mirriam-fucking-Webster... apparently it doesn't matter if you're right or not, you're just supposed to parrot the fucking party line regardless. I'm proud as fuck for not passing that bullshit class.

[Guest]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

As a resident MRA I must inform you that the MRM official party line is that ordinary, peace loving gentle men are being oppressed by the misandrist gynofacists that control the vagina supply.

This oppression by the matriarchy is evident in the fact that those uppity MRAs (who are merely, (not to mention humbly) just asking to be treated like any other yuman bean), are labelled as scum sucking vile evil mysognysts as they suffer under the jackboots of the white-knights and other manginas directed by their vile feminist overlords, who would never deign to soil their hands with so much as a swagger stick, never mind a cattle prod or a taser.

I just find it interesting that social rules or conventions like this which favour women over men (enforced by the patriarchy, presumably) are there because women are oppressed. And when they favour men, this is also because women are oppressed. Seems like trying to have it both ways to me.

[DownThunder]

At least with fairly coherent definitions of "race" in a country like north america, where you'd have a historically distinct anglo group and a distinct african group, you can make a case that racism against a "white person" isnt likely to have the same severity. OTOH with gender, you have genders intermingling throughout all strata of classes, not to mention females comprising the majority of the population.

The feminist conflation of sexism and racism is one of their most puzzling arguments. Which race/gender has the longest life expectancies? Which race/gender has the most preferential treatment in the "justice system"? (sarcastiquotes deliberate). Which race/gender is violence most acceptable against? Which race/gender gets their lives devalued??

Why is it always some middle class anglo female feminist claiming the high ground as oppression queen?

Stop the world. I would like to get off this ride. Exits are to your left and right, please take a complimentary barf bag.

[AndrewV69]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

Hmmm... witness the following exchange that took place on a company mandated course for all of a certain pay grade many moons ago.

Course "facilitator" : At one point I lived in Jamaica for five years.

Jamaican: I am a Jamaican, what part of Jamaica did you live in?

..... later on

Black Girl to Jamaican: What has been your experience of discrimination since coming to Canada?

Jamaican: I may have experienced discrimination but I have never noticed.

(Me to myself: Someone just turned down an invitation to join the victimized brigade!!!)

Black Girl : Confused look on her face.

(Me to myself: I wish I had a camera, the look on her face!!!)

I sat there with a strait face for the rest of the course, but I was severely tempted to laugh every time she looked at him. Meanwhile he ignored her completely, and as far as I can recall, never said one more word to her.

[AndrewV69]

We got some eal social justice going on hee. Who needs A+theism?

School District Bans Father-Daughter Dances After Single Mom Complains
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/school ... 00262.html

In an effort to comply with state laws about gender discrimination, a Rhode Island school district has banned father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games after a single mom complained that her daughter wasn't able to attend a dance.

The mother filed a complaint with the Rhode Island branch of the American Civil Liberties Union last May, saying that her child felt excluded from the dance because she did not have a father figure to take her. The dance was a longstanding event run by a parent-teacher organization.

"I think when schools tell girls 'You love dances' and boys 'You love baseball games,' I think that is going too far," Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown told talk-radio station WPRO-FM. "That is the whole point of having laws and policies to say public schools should not be the business of really encouraging such blatant stereotypes about what girls like and what boys like."

*cackle* Who cares what the lumpen proletariat want? We know better than you what is best for you!

[Saint N.]

Reap, awesome podcast with Justin that needs to be advertised,

http://www.reapsowradio.com/?p=31213

Loved the rant at the beginning. I wish PZ et al would actually hear it.

[JackRayner]

We got some eal social justice going on hee. Who needs A+theism?

School District Bans Father-Daughter Dances After Single Mom Complains
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/school ... 00262.html

In an effort to comply with state laws about gender discrimination, a Rhode Island school district has banned father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games after a single mom complained that her daughter wasn't able to attend a dance.

The mother filed a complaint with the Rhode Island branch of the American Civil Liberties Union last May, saying that her child felt excluded from the dance because she did not have a father figure to take her. The dance was a longstanding event run by a parent-teacher organization.

"I think when schools tell girls 'You love dances' and boys 'You love baseball games,' I think that is going too far," Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown told talk-radio station WPRO-FM. "That is the whole point of having laws and policies to say public schools should not be the business of really encouraging such blatant stereotypes about what girls like and what boys like."

*cackle* Who cares what the lumpen proletariat want? We know better than you what is best for you!

"I think when schools tell girls 'You love dances' and boys 'You love baseball games,' I think that is going too far," Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown told talk-radio station WPRO-FM. "That is the whole point of having laws and policies to say public schools should not be the business of really encouraging such blatant stereotypes about what girls like and what boys like."

JESUS H. FUCKIN' CHRIST! What the fucking fuck?! Where's that *slamming head against wall* smiley when you need it?

Seriously, I need off of this planet, stat!

[rayshul]

I just find it interesting that social rules or conventions like this which favour women over men (enforced by the patriarchy, presumably) are there because women are oppressed. And when they favour men, this is also because women are oppressed. Seems like trying to have it both ways to me.

It drives me fucking crazy that actually achieving equality in EVERYTHING is good for both sexes. Everyone fucking wins. It doesn't fucking matter who is being oppressed or who the sexism is against. It doesn't matter who the fuck is working to get that equality, whether it's MRA or feminists or whatever. DOESN'T MATTER.

The whole modern feminism is so fucking out of touch with the Real World and what I thought feminism was supposed to be about. I don't want motherfucking feminism so guys don't talk to me. I want feminism so I can work in my job and share my fucking awesome. I want feminism so my husband is happy raising my babies so I don't fucking have to. I want feminism so if later in life my son experiences sexual violence, he has somewhere to go. I want feminism so I have the right to have control over my own reproduction. I want feminism so if I commit a crime or someone commits one against me, they're judged on the basis of the crime and not their gender. And I want feminism so that other women have those same rights, in other countries.

The little social games of who can talk to who? Don't give a shit.

[Saint N.]

Reap, awesome podcast with Justin that needs to be advertised,

http://www.reapsowradio.com/?p=31213

Loved the rant at the beginning. I wish PZ et al would actually hear it.

EDIT: I meant about Justin. My bad for the confusion, I'm typing between late shifts again.

[rayshul]

At least with fairly coherent definitions of "race" in a country like north america, where you'd have a historically distinct anglo group and a distinct african group, you can make a case that racism against a "white person" isnt likely to have the same severity. OTOH with gender, you have genders intermingling throughout all strata of classes, not to mention females comprising the majority of the population.

But even that is too simplistic, I'd say. There's a marked difference between the situation of African-Americans (people who are the descendents of slaves and have been in the country for a long-ass time, and have a long history of oppression at the hands of largely European migrants) and African Americans (migrants and first and second generation Africans who came to Africa and are often more likely to be well-educated/well-off). And then you can split those people, again, by the country they came from.

[rayshul]

I quite like them contesting these father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games. That shit'd be fucking awkward for gay parents, too. Why ban them though? Just let everyone fucking go if they're interested.

[rayshul]

Thought I'd also post this via...

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/ph ... OrDKI3-gbA_

[DownThunder]

Aha! Anyone else feeling a rash of DMCA-itis is about to break out?

[Skep tickle]

Reap, awesome podcast with Justin that needs to be advertised,

http://www.reapsowradio.com/?p=31213

Loved the rant at the beginning. I wish PZ et al would actually hear it.

EDIT: I meant about Justin. My bad for the confusion, I'm typing between late shifts again.

And as a bonus, here's the graphic associated with that episode:

http://www.reapsowradio.com/wp-content/ ... ummies.jpg

[rayshul]

Aha! Anyone else feeling a rash of DMCA-itis is about to break out?

That dates to October 1st, so if they were doing anything, I'd assume they'd have already done it. There was an attempt (not sure if it was recorded here) to shut down someone's zazzle shop because someone did a similar design to the original (using all original art). Didn't quite work IIRC.

[Michael K Gray]

The "Their TRUTH" image seems to have disappeared.
But I have preserved it in the media thread:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 955#p17955

[Rystefn]

I quite like them contesting these father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games. That shit'd be fucking awkward for gay parents, too. Why ban them though? Just let everyone fucking go if they're interested.

Yeah, just make it a parent-child and a parent-child baseball game. Diggity-DONE! Next question!

[rayshul]

I quite like them contesting these father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games. That shit'd be fucking awkward for gay parents, too. Why ban them though? Just let everyone fucking go if they're interested.

Yeah, just make it a parent-child and a parent-child baseball game. Diggity-DONE! Next question!

People make shit so complicated sometimes...

[Saint N.]

Random thought: what's with Ophelia's twitter pic, https://twitter.com/OpheliaBenson

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/26 ... 72cdb.jpeg
Are the FC5 abandoning porcupines in favor of pineapples?

[lonesagi]

Pineapples are objects, not agents, so sure. Seems to be in line with the group-think.

[Rystefn]

I quite like them contesting these father-daughter dances and mother-son baseball games. That shit'd be fucking awkward for gay parents, too. Why ban them though? Just let everyone fucking go if they're interested.

Yeah, just make it a parent-child and a parent-child baseball game. Diggity-DONE! Next question!

People make shit so complicated sometimes...

I know, right? I blame lawyers (even though I'm sure it goes back further than that).

[Tony Parsehole]

Random thought: what's with Ophelia's twitter pic, https://twitter.com/OpheliaBenson

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/26 ... 72cdb.jpeg
Are the FC5 abandoning porcupines in favor of pineapples?

Possibly something to do with Reading Student Union banning pineapples because of islam....Or something.
From Twitter:


Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins
Reading Student Union bans pineapple. Yet another ignominious, Monty-Pythonesque pandering to Islamic "offence". http://bit.ly/QT7tgY

[Sulaco]

Random thought: what's with Ophelia's twitter pic, https://twitter.com/OpheliaBenson

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/26 ... 72cdb.jpeg
Are the FC5 abandoning porcupines in favor of pineapples?

Possibly something to do with Reading Student Union banning pineapples because of islam....Or something.
From Twitter:


Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins
Reading Student Union bans pineapple. Yet another ignominious, Monty-Pythonesque pandering to Islamic "offence". http://bit.ly/QT7tgY

Behold the power of Delmonte!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I feel like the chill girl thing - that girls act in a certain way so boys like them - is kind of the wrong way round. Or the accusations are leveled at the wrong parties. The gender feminists are obsessed with boys, how boys interact with them, what rules boys should have for approaching them, and a fuck load of other hilarious headgames which are all like, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT. And then the whole running away to talk about what the boy did wrong and how the perfect boy does things THIS way not THAT way and gosh boys are always so into them...

Quintessential chill girl behavior, or sexxxy skeptic pool party*?
[youtube]eiuHdUkuRi0[/youtube]
*before the movement's Elevator-to-Damascus moment

Sabrina always gives me a hardon in this clip.

What, TMI?

[DownThunder]

Sabrina always gives me a hardon in this clip.

What, TMI?

What a shame that once sensual eye candy is now labelled as a wardrobe malfunction. The huge manatee.

But OTOH, windy, which skepchick is going to fill the role of sabrina??? You do the thinking. Im not going to kill my boner.

[Tfoot]

Someone asked if I ever got paid by FTB.

You may recall that FTBer said:
“Plus, TF had more hits than ten of our bloggers today. Please tell me he is not getting paid for them. And that we are divvying up his spoils.”
To which Ed brayton responded

“I haven’t even given any thought to the point at which I would stop paying him. The blog was killed on July 1. I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial. Or at this point I could just tell him to go fuck himself.”

Well I wrote the following email to Ed.
" Dear Ed,
You can donate all of my 'not unsubstantial' earnings from FTB to the MSF charity event run by DPRJones.

http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/d ... aisingpage

I think it would reflect well on you if you are honest as to where the donation came from.

After that I think if you delete my blogs on FTB, that this draws a line under this.

Best wishes,
Tfoot
PS for full disclosure, heres a blog that explains my thoughts on this in more details.
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... less-crap/"

The end of that blog reads:
"To be honest, I wouldn’t want to be seen to profit off petit drama like this (I never monetize videos that deal with this sort of thing), and I’m sure FTB would likewise agree. Indeed it would be nice to see FTB follow my lead on this and donate all the revenue generated from this pointless drama to the same charity."

To the best of my knowledge no one from the rest of FTB managed to show this token gesture of honesty. They were perfectly happy to profit from the petit drama.

Ed managed to donate my money to charity. The 'not unsubstantial amount' turned out to be $61.89 for probably a half dozen blog posts (~10 dollars each) pulling in ~15 000 views each. And you will recall that even after being gone for a month, I was still doing better than 10 of their bloggers in terms of traffic (see above). Another way to look at that would be 68 dollar per week, or an amazing salary of 3000 dollars per year (thats about 1/5 minimum wage in california!)

I know what you will be asking, how can I be sure they knew. Oh, they knew! in their backroom the chatter was incredible. I was on average receiving ~1500 emails a month from them (yes, 50 a day on average, bear in mind i was signed up to this thing ~1 month before i started posting). Statistically its a fact that I've never even opened 2/3 of them, and of those that I did open I've scarcely read any. They bitch and bitch and bitch... its their substitute for actually doing things. Only reason I found out about Payton is dpr mentioned it, I did a search for Paytons name and my search list lite up with over 30 results about FTB bitchin about payton.

Ed sadly couldnt be honest about deleting the blog. The honest thing to do would be to put a redirect in to my blog, or at best say that this blog has been deleted (by mutual consent). What does it actually say?
"the user has elected to delete their account"

Really, thats odd, I don't recall deleting anything.

[Tony Parsehole]

Tf00t wrote:

The 'not unsubstantial amount' turned out to be $61.89 for probably a half dozen blog posts (~10 dollars each) pulling in ~15 000 views each.

No wonder the FTB crowd as so eager to make drama when high stakes like this are involved.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

TF: Well, let's turn a frown into a smile. At least, Ed donated the money. Do you have the receipt?

[bhoytony]

That cunt Penna hasn't uploaded S04E05 to thebox.bz yet. If someone knows where the fucker lives, can they pop round and lamp the bastard, please?

Just remembered this Lsuoma. I meant to reply at the time, but forgot. Episode 5 isn't broadcast till next Saturday the 13th Oct.

[Johann the Cabbie]

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

So the black guy who pulled a knife on me because I was a white boy in a black man's mall wasn't being racist? That's good to know.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

Go for it!

[Tony Parsehole]

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

So the black guy who pulled a knife on me because I was a white boy in a black man's mall wasn't being racist? That's good to know.

It's really REALLY patronising to tell black people as a whole that they cannot be racist no matter how much they would like to be or how hard they try.

[Scented Nectar]

There was a post earlier this evening referring to Ophelia Benson getting a bit upset (oh fuck off and do something useful for once, Ophelia) about Dawkins using the word "bitchy". However, Opheilia does not seem to have the same qualms about he Novellas using the term "science works, bitches!" and other swear words that in normal circumstances they would rant and rave about. Queen Bee herself has a rather dirty gob (that does not include sucking PZ's dick). Futher, I don't think Ophelia has ever told off her bestest friend and little runt Rhys Morgan about his use of the term "cunt" on his Twitter feed.

Different rulez for differen folkz.

Something weird she also does, is when coming up with phrases she thinks she's been called by us, she always adds "smelly vagina" or "stinky snatch" or something similar. We may say cunt a lot over here, but we've never implied anything malodorous in my memory. Does she just have some hangup worry that she's got a bad smelling one or something? She keeps saying she gets called that.

[bhoytony]

Random thought: what's with Ophelia's twitter pic, https://twitter.com/OpheliaBenson


Are the FC5 abandoning porcupines in favor of pineapples?

I think she just decided to replace her original portrait picture with it.

http://theychosepoorly.files.wordpress. ... teptoe.jpg

[Scented Nectar]

It's socially acceptable to use so called 'gendered slurs' against men but not against women. And this is because women are oppressed? Really?

I've seen social justice warriors claim that only white people can be racist on account of white privilege and that they are totally not oppressed. Obviously nothing racist can happen to white people either, because they are privileged.

It's so fucking moronic I can't believe these people exist. However, now I think about it, I realise that I have officially been given free rein to call them whatever fucking racist shit I feel like.

Hmmm. This could get FUN.

At an awful feminist/sjw-run workshop I was once made to attend, due to being on the stupid board at a co-op where I lived, we were all told that only white people can be racist. If someone non-white does a racist thing, they must be called "racialist" instead, with the understanding that that wasn't as bad as being "racist". So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist. I didn't bring up the dictionary definitions, but they'd have probably said that was old fashioned, patriarchal, white man's words.

The above workshop was due to a white woman who lived there calling the cops in order to get a car towed from repeatedly blocking her access to the garage she was parked in. She didn't even know who's car it was at first, but the black female owner of the blocking car, who also lived there, claimed her life was put in danger because cops don't like black people. It didn't seem to even matter to her that one of the cops was black.

Later, when the white woman was still trying to get the black woman from blocking her spot (she routinely had to go knocking and asking her to move it again and again, even after the traffic cops were called), the white woman said she would be monitoring her driveway to make sure it doesn't happen again. The black woman freaked out, saying the word "monitor" was a white oppressive word, evoking police authority or something like that. She complained to the board, and thus the workshop. This was also the one I walked out of when they did that stupid game where we were supposed to answer all sorts of personal questions just to make a point about who were or weren't invisible minorities. They asked sex questions, religion, politics, and all sorts of other fuck off that's none of your business questions. I walked out.

[Johann the Cabbie]

So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist.

Koreans eat garlic?

The above workshop was due to a white woman who lived there calling the cops in order to get a car towed from repeatedly blocking her access to the garage she was parked in. She didn't even know who's car it was at first, but the black female owner of the blocking car, who also lived there, claimed her life was put in danger because cops don't like black people. It didn't seem to even matter to her that one of the cops was black.

Later, when the white woman was still trying to get the black woman from blocking her spot (she routinely had to go knocking and asking her to move it again and again, even after the traffic cops were called), the white woman said she would be monitoring her driveway to make sure it doesn't happen again. The black woman freaked out, saying the word "monitor" was a white oppressive word, evoking police authority or something like that. She complained to the board, and thus the workshop. This was also the one I walked out of when they did that stupid game where we were supposed to answer all sorts of personal questions just to make a point about who were or weren't invisible minorities. They asked sex questions, religion, politics, and all sorts of other fuck off that's none of your business questions. I walked out.

Is that co-op still around? Might make for entertaining reality TV.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

There was a post earlier this evening referring to Ophelia Benson getting a bit upset (oh fuck off and do something useful for once, Ophelia) about Dawkins using the word "bitchy". However, Opheilia does not seem to have the same qualms about he Novellas using the term "science works, bitches!" and other swear words that in normal circumstances they would rant and rave about. Queen Bee herself has a rather dirty gob (that does not include sucking PZ's dick). Futher, I don't think Ophelia has ever told off her bestest friend and little runt Rhys Morgan about his use of the term "cunt" on his Twitter feed.

Different rulez for differen folkz.

Something weird she also does, is when coming up with phrases she thinks she's been called by us, she always adds "smelly vagina" or "stinky snatch" or something similar. We may say cunt a lot over here, but we've never implied anything malodorous in my memory. Does she just have some hangup worry that she's got a bad smelling one or something? She keeps saying she gets called that.

To be fair, "Skepchicks smelly snatch*" was coined by Abbie. Don't deprive her of that glorious term.





*Apostrophe respectfuly omitted.

[oolon, slimy turd]

To suggest that words have different meanings, depending on the place or time, is not employing the 'Argumentum ad populum'-
Once we've established that there are regional variations in accepted meaning we are left with the conclusion that, being reasonable, we must allow for a variation of alternative meanings for the word in question.
Perhaps there is a place where "cunt" is always purely misogynistic, a phrase denoting a pejorative term for women in general.
And perhaps there is another place where "cunt" is simply a word for a female's genitals, a word which is sometimes used as a gender neutral insult.

If you seek to argue that the former meaning takes precedent over the latter then please provide some evidence to support your claim.

I did not say it takes precedence, that is your assumption - personally I'd say it quite clearly depends on the audience. I have been making the point that you don't care that groups of women will see it as misogynistic and justify that with anecdotal evidence as Spence admits to. Their offence at being demeaned (In their minds) is not of concern to you. True?

I wonder why you are able to suspend your sceptical mind and use anecdotal evidence to justify acting in a way you know will seem misogynistic to large numbers of women. As established despite the word 'faggot' having other meanings (bundle of wood) and not being seen as offensive in some cases (Someone had anecdotal evidence of their gay friends calling each other faggot) most on here will not take the risk of being seen as homophobic. I can only presume that is because the interpretation of homophobia and the ensuing offence experienced by others is to be avoided... Or simply put they don't want to be arseholes to other people.

This remains a disparity in the way you approach offensive language.. IMO.

Interestingly the FtBs lot seem to have a very clear policy in this regard. Despite me not agreeing with some there that 'cunt' in all circumstances is offensive - hence why I linked to the feminist article saying it is not always offensive (In her opinion) and it would be good for its 'extreme' nature to be reduced. I do think that they are correct that people commenting on their blogs will find use of slurs offensive and my intent at it not being taken as such is a mitigating factor but if I insist on using the language despite it being explained to me that they find it offensive then I would be being offensive on purpose and move into the realms of racism, homophobia and misogyny. I'm sure you will agree that if you use gay or racist slurs as a 'joke' and someone takes offence then you will likely apologise and not continue as that was not your intent... Basically the 'joke' failed and you would have to be a massive arsehole to continue.

I have to conclude that the slimepit is the current incarnation of a sexist joke taken too far by a bunch of failed comedians.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oolon:

The problem arises not from not using slurs at FTB (or SB, which last year I declared I wouldn't do), it's that ever using gendered slurs, anywhere outside this particular blogospher would still condemn you at FTB/former SB Pharyngula.

I am totally behind not using certain terms if the person I'm addressing is offended by them. Up to a point anyway. But me using cunt (which I don't do) on this forum does not entitle this person to go out of their way to find out if I've used this term at any venue other than theirs.

It's creepy stalking. What's next, microphones in my house to know if I use it there? By my very aproximative english pronuciation, I'd be guilty every time I say "can't".

And why the fuck to you bring racism and homophobia in the discussion any chance you get?

[The Pelagic Argosy]

So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist. I didn't bring up the dictionary definitions, but they'd have probably said that was old fashioned, patriarchal, white man's words.

SRSLY??? The Japanese can't be racist? Oh right, because they have been systematically oppressed, colonized and enslaved. I forgot that happened—or maybe I haven't, because the boot is pretty much on the other foot historically. There's a sure sign that they have completely redefined the word rape racism. Who fucking knew?

Speaking of these feminist junkets, hilarity ensued at my desk last week when I received an invitation to the Brixton Women Only Work Space so that I could (amongst other things) "socialise and connect with other female entrepreneurs". This was addressed to me personally, and, as I may have mentioned, I am man. Still, I must be fucking right on to get an invo like that.

[Scented Nectar]

To be fair, "Skepchicks smelly snatch*" was coined by Abbie. Don't deprive her of that glorious term.

My mistake. I thought only Ophelia did it. :)

[AnonymousCowherd]

So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist. I didn't bring up the dictionary definitions, but they'd have probably said that was old fashioned, patriarchal, white man's words.

SRSLY??? The Japanese can't be racist? Oh right, because they have been systematically oppressed, colonized and enslaved. I forgot that happened—or maybe I haven't, because the boot is pretty much on the other foot historically. There's a sure sign that they have completely redefined the word rape racism. Who fucking knew?

Speaking of these feminist junkets, hilarity ensued at my desk last week when I received an invitation to the Brixton Women Only Work Space so that I could (amongst other things) "socialise and connect with other female entrepreneurs". This was addressed to me personally, and, as I may have mentioned, I am man. Still, I must be fucking right on to get an invo like that.

Yeah, that "Rape of Nanking" thing wasn't genocide, it was just over enthusiastic urban renewal.

[Scented Nectar]

So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist.

Koreans eat garlic?

I had heard that they get called that by the Japanese. I have no idea if they actually do or did at one time. It was just something someone told me and which I believed without thinking twice. I guess it might or might not be true.

The above workshop was due to a white woman who lived there calling the cops in order to get a car towed from repeatedly blocking her access to the garage she was parked in. She didn't even know who's car it was at first, but the black female owner of the blocking car, who also lived there, claimed her life was put in danger because cops don't like black people. It didn't seem to even matter to her that one of the cops was black.

Later, when the white woman was still trying to get the black woman from blocking her spot (she routinely had to go knocking and asking her to move it again and again, even after the traffic cops were called), the white woman said she would be monitoring her driveway to make sure it doesn't happen again. The black woman freaked out, saying the word "monitor" was a white oppressive word, evoking police authority or something like that. She complained to the board, and thus the workshop. This was also the one I walked out of when they did that stupid game where we were supposed to answer all sorts of personal questions just to make a point about who were or weren't invisible minorities. They asked sex questions, religion, politics, and all sorts of other fuck off that's none of your business questions. I walked out.

Is that co-op still around? Might make for entertaining reality TV.

Seriously, I think it is still around. I'm curious, so I'll go look online and with google maps, to check out what's up with the place. I'm curious if it's still refuses rentals to adult men. Women and all children were allowed, but no adult men.

I signed up on the waiting list there back when I was a feminist. A few years after leaving the cult, I got laid off and fortunately at the same time, I got a call that a subsidized (based on your income or lack of it) unit in the co-op was available. I stayed there a couple years until I got recalled at work and could afford to move out.

The feminists at the co-op weren't quite as separatist as my former friends back in the day. For instance, no rules against male guests, even overnight ones, but they did only rent to women. Female couples and/or ones with kids got the 2 or 3 bedroom units, and others, like me, got a 1 bedroom unit. Nice units with balconies, or backyards if you were on the first floor.

[AnonymousCowherd]

So if a Japanese person puts down Koreans, calling them "garlic eaters", I was told I can't call that racist.

Koreans eat garlic?

You aren't serious? Kim Chi? Gojujang? Ssamjang? Bulgogi?

Hunger strikes! Drooool.

[Spence]

I have been making the point that you don't care that groups of women will see it as misogynistic and justify that with anecdotal evidence as Spence admits to. Their offence at being demeaned (In their minds) is not of concern to you.

Firstly: YOU first made the claim that cunt was considered misogynistic in the UK. YOU provided exactly ZERO evidence to support this assertion. Scientific data is better than anecdotal evidence is better than zero evidence. So our anecdotal evidence still trumps your zero evidence. Get it? When you BRING SOME EVIDENCE TO THE TABLE we can continue this conversation in a meaningful way.

We're not looking for individuals in the UK who consider it misogynistic, either. We know Ophelia does. We don't care. You claimed you'd lose your job for using it. I argued the only places you'd get fired for "cunt" are the same situations where you'd get fired for "fucking wanker" (which is gender neutral). You provided ZERO evidence of any kind of widespread view that "cunt" was viewed misogynistic in the UK.

All you've done is distort people's arguments, build straw men and failed to provide any actual evidence to back up your uninformed opinion. Oh, yeah, and your retarded "you haven't used insult X, you're inconsistent!". Yes, I don't think anyone has used the insult "carbuncle" yet, therefore the slymepitters are inconsistent. Fucking hell you are a moron.

And if you complain about the use of "cunt", because it offends a few people, then we may as well complain about atheists who blaspheme (they are offending people!!!). So where is your campaign against blasphemy, oolon?

[Michael K Gray]

Koreans eat garlic?

I had heard that they get called that by the Japanese. I have no idea if they actually do or did at one time. It was just something someone told me and which I believed without thinking twice. I guess it might or might not be true.

As indicated prior to this, I have formally studied the Japanese language, and interacted with Japanese speakers in fervent attempts to garner a handle on their idiomatic speech peculiarities, and their stock expressions. (In fact, I just purchased two more study tomes, in Japanese, that go into this subject in excruciating detail)
So I feel somewhat confident to remark that I have not heard this expression in any other situation than to "tease a Spetic¹" or other gullible 外人 (gaijin).
(Apart from some young Japanese who have fallen for the old-wive's tale)
They are more likely to call them 'dog-eaters' these days.

Much as Margaret Mead was teased and jokingly mislead by the impish teens in Samoa into her writing of absolute crap that never happened.

_____________________
¹ Aussie-rhyming slang. Septic - Septic Tank - Yank

[real horrorshow]

And if you complain about the use of "cunt", because it offends a few people, then we may as well complain about atheists who blaspheme (they are offending people!!!). So where is your campaign against blasphemy, oolon?

New one for the lexicon: "Blasphemy+"?

[Scented Nectar]

Trigger warning: old 80s feminist stuff, Toronto feminist history, yes feminists were always this fucked up.

From an archive of an old Toronto feminist magazine, which ran in the 80's, called Broadside, here is an ad and an article for that feminist co-op.

http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit/0003a.png

http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit/0003b.png

They lie about being a partial owner. It worked out exactly like an apartment. You could live there for years, but when you move out, you don't own any of it, nor do you cash out or anything similar. The line about owning it fooled many women into thinking they were becoming shared property owners with other women.

They wanted codeword: "women-identified women", and by that, they did NOT mean they were accepting of trans women. They meant they wanted feminists. Most were also lesbian, but no one gave me any trouble if they saw men coming in or out of my place (I got the call the unit was available a couple years AFTER I had left the cult and had gone back to having sex and friendships with men again). I wouldn't have moved there if it hadn't come right when I could really use that subsidized unit. And I was mostly able to avoid all feminist whatevers, except while I was briefly on the board, and then it was this ism and that ism and this ism and that ism, arrrrrggghhhh!!!!

[Scented Nectar]

Koreans eat garlic?

I had heard that they get called that by the Japanese. I have no idea if they actually do or did at one time. It was just something someone told me and which I believed without thinking twice. I guess it might or might not be true.

As indicated prior to this, I have formally studied the Japanese language, and interacted with Japanese speakers in fervent attempts to garner a handle on their idiomatic speech peculiarities, and their stock expressions. (In fact, I just purchased two more study tomes, in Japanese, that go into this subject in excruciating detail)
So I feel somewhat confident to remark that I have not heard this expression in any other situation than to "tease a Spetic¹" or other gullible 外人 (gaijin).
(Apart from some young Japanese who have fallen for the old-wive's tale)
They are more likely to call them 'dog-eaters' these days.

Ok, dog-eaters then. I was ordered to refer to that as racialism and not racism. I don't take orders too well.

[bhoytony]

Well, I had hoped that putting Slimy Turd on ignore would mean that I wouldn't have to read him repeating over and over again his dishonest, gotcha nonsense, but alas I was wrong. Ninety per-cent of the thread now seems to be people quoting and replying to his shite. Well done Slimy, mission accomplished. He's got you all dancing to his tune and you all seem fucking delighted to do it.
I'll repeat my agreement with Sasha that he be given his own thread where he can repeat himself and ignore all pertinent answers to his heart's content. If he really only wants answers to his questions and not to derail this thread, then he should be happy with that.
Alternatively we might as well just rename this thread Periodic Table of Sliming.

[Dilurk]

...

Hey Tfoot I have enjoyed your science videos for months.

I've been curious since I first heard of this incident whether it was not your reader (MUA) "helping" you in some way. Some of the newer e-mail programs are awfully helpful these days. I would not at all be surprised to hear a mail reader blithely figured you had come back from vacation and wanted to be ressubbed to your mailing lists.

[Lsuoma]

That cunt Penna hasn't uploaded S04E05 to thebox.bz yet. If someone knows where the fucker lives, can they pop round and lamp the bastard, please?

Just remembered this Lsuoma. I meant to reply at the time, but forgot. Episode 5 isn't broadcast till next Saturday the 13th Oct.

Awreet, thanks for the info. Much appreciated...