Periodic Table of Swearing

[Michael K Gray]

I think that would clarify it some. If what you're saying is that part of the difference in female psychology is caused by a consciously acquired awareness of the fact that pregnancy can lead to death, then I've got less of an interest to press for more information on that thought.

And I would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

[Michael K Gray]

Drama bomb incoming.

Matt Dillahunty tests out the A+ forums under a different name. Gets treated like shit and banned.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... p=887#p887

Sceencapped the whole lot.

Verified by his twitter just now
@Matt_Dillahunty

Ahahaha. Praise satan!!

Perhaps he might realise that we have been perfectly correct these past years?
These folk are mentally ill.

[cunt]

Are you going to ban this one, too?

This is the account I created when the site first went live. I don't have time to participate on the forum, but I've been out there supporting Atheism+ at every opportunity. As such, I've come across a number of people who have said "Hey, if Atheism+ was what you say it is, I'd have no problem with it...but that's not what it is."

I laughed at that, because it's a fledgling movement that isn't governed by anyone and hasn't even been well-defined. I pointed out that, as it stands right now, it's a forum. In response to that, people kept complaining about what went on at the forum and I didn't have the time or energy to investigate. Because I'm friends with the people who started this, I trusted (and still pretty much do) that the complaints were exaggerated. After all, I was on the back-channel list when the name was suggested, I was posting videos clarifying the subject, I was talking-up Atheism+ alongside PZ and Greta at the Denver AAA convention.

And then, I someone sent me a link to a post where someone had objected to some points Greta had made. The individual got some things right and some things wrong...and could have been corrected on it. Instead, they wound up banned - after some rather frustrating conversation.

I wanted to post about that, but I didn't want to post under my own name - because I wanted to prove that ANYONE could point out what was right and wrong about a post and make suggestions on improving our image and reaching the people who WOULD BE in agreement with us, if it weren't for the confusing and constant misinformation that is out there.

As it turns out, I was wrong. My post was deleted, unread, based solely on the opinion of a single moderator.
When I tried to point out the problem in this process - as anyone would who was surprised to have their post deleted...well, you can see what kind of response I got.

And I'm an ally - who wrote as an ally. Hell, I'm out there, despite the suspicions of SubMor defending and promoting this.

I am stunned.

Yes Matt, it sucks when you actually pay attention.

[Butters]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

This has info as well
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... nty#p21767

I was kind of hoping I would see Matt say this whole atheism plus stuff is bollocks after seeing this, but I guess he may just be apolgizing for having a sock account on the atheismplus forums.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/16lcuc0.jpg

[TheMan]

(seems like we have more registered than actively post which I'm curious about because guests are allowed to post too)

I registered because some of the media posted here isn't viewable unless you're registered and logged in. Don't know if that's the case for anyone else.

Yeah pretty much the same reason...other than to join in every now and then.

[JackRayner]

Wonder what this is all about. Anyone know?

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... yWrong.png

[rayshul]

I wonder how members of Atheism+ who are not privileged white women think about her take of the LAPD?

I have no idea who the audience of her tweets is meant to be. Who the fuck would read those and not think, wow, what a fucking fuckbag. She's doing this shit for attention. Amy is a special cookie.

[butters]

snip

Hmmm...didn't see his full post on Atheismplus yet. I would like to be proven wrong in my skepticsm. (lol)
If Matt does see he wasn't as skeptical as he should have been regarding some of the actions by supporters of atheismplus, that would be impressive. But having it turned on him directly is one way to take a new look at the problems expressed by others.

[JackRayner]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

This has info as well
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... nty#p21767

I was kind of hoping I would see Matt say this whole atheism plus stuff is bollocks after seeing this, but I guess he may just be apolgizing for having a sock account on the atheismplus forums.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/16lcuc0.jpg

Damn. Nevermind. Late to the game. Was watching some Walking Dead and forgot to refresh before posting. :popcorn: (They've got season 2 up on Netflix.)

[Steersman]

Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:24 am

And a tendency to believe in things for which there is not the smallest shred of tangible evidence – and in spite of a great amount of circumstantial evidence against them – really doesn’t seem to qualify as “beneficial”.

Believing the tales and warnings of the elders of your society without question is of great benefit, because it means ech individual doesn't have to learn the rules for themselves and so society can improve quicker with fewer needless deaths and lifes devoted to re-inventing the wheel.

Yes, quite agree with that – at least as long as those “tales and warnings” actually correlate with the true state of affairs, with what is actually real; probably quite pathological otherwise.

But that latter case is at least what some scientist, I think, argued some time back was the operative process with most religions, at least the anthropomorphic ones: bronze age goat herder tales passed on from generation to generation without there being too many potential “extincition level events” [ELE] associated with the model being wildly at odds with actual reality. Not quite the same kettle of fish these days ….

Reminds me of, I think, the preface in the book The Limits of Growth many years ago which was presented in the form of a puzzle: if the lily-pad cover of a pond doubles every day – exponential growth, more or less – and if a completely covered pond is an ELE for the rest of the pond’s biosphere and if the pond is currently half-covered then how much time do you have to make changes in that growth process? The answer, of course, being one day.

I kind of see that uncritical acceptance of religious dogma – those hoary tales and warnings for which there is not a shred of evidence – as being a serious liability and potentially the same type of ELE process …. Hitchens’ wasn’t far wrong in arguing that “religion belongs to the childhood of our species”, particularly since we’ve allowed the children to get their hands on some very destructive weapons ….

[TheMan]

WoolyBumblebee talks about Zvan, Greta, Vacula, petition to ban Vacula
[youtube]Q0327PnsIlI[/youtube]

Wow.... I have a woolly woody....

[JackRayner]

Matt Dillahunty tests out the A+ forums under a different name. Gets treated like shit and banned.

Ahahaha. Praise satan!!

This is AWESOME! :lol:

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... LOL001.png

[TheMan]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Just wow... Matt was being sneeky but for good reasons...he was testing the fairness and objectivity of the forum. He could have only done that under a different name. Congrats Matt...good onya.

[Steersman]

Apart from wondering just what it is that is the essence of your case, what it is that you’re trying to sell, particularly as I think you mentioned you were atheist in our discussions about Islamic Awakening, it seems to me that that problem is such for me only if what you say is in fact true. But it seems to me that the crux of your argument is the “heritability of religion” which I think is too vague and unsupported to properly assess.

The proper term is Heritability of religiosity; my apologies for any confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity

Thanks for the information and links; should keep me out of the pool-hall for a little while at least …. :-)

[Baron]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... and-abuse/

Zvan - "forgiveness and abuse"

This one's a doozie.
followcrime
retweetcrime
tweetcrime

twitterharassment
probation

[Tristan]

Drama bomb incoming.

Matt Dillahunty tests out the A+ forums under a different name. Gets treated like shit and banned.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... p=887#p887

Sceencapped the whole lot.

Verified by his twitter just now
@Matt_Dillahunty

Ahahaha. Praise satan!!

Take the red pill. The red pill.

:popcorn:

[Steersman]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Just wow... Matt was being sneeky but for good reasons...he was testing the fairness and objectivity of the forum. He could have only done that under a different name. Congrats Matt...good onya.

Yea, far out; could be some serious shit to hit the fan over that exchange. Would love to be privy to what’s happening in the back-channel on FfTBs [aka “tantrum central”] ….

Time to lay in some more popcorn ….

[rayshul]

Let's see if he comes here, next.

[DownThunder]

Epic. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Wasn't matt the one who totes was practising A+ before it was called A+?

What I am curious about most of all is when someone like matt is burned by his own faith, how he will proceed. Im curious to see who's a charlatan and opportunist, and who is a genuine deluded fool.

[rayshul]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Just wow... Matt was being sneeky but for good reasons...he was testing the fairness and objectivity of the forum. He could have only done that under a different name. Congrats Matt...good onya.

Yea, far out; could be some serious shit to hit the fan over that exchange. Would love to be privy to what’s happening in the back-channel on FfTBs [aka “tantrum central”] ….

Time to lay in some more popcorn ….

I feel that, much like that-bloke-who-FtB-were-considering-beating-up-on-but-thunderf00t-told-on-them whose name I can't remember, the FtB team will squirrel him away into a corner and tell him everything is fine and no hard feelings mate.

[Butters]

Let's see if he comes here, next.

I assume not. He would have nothing to gain by doing so and much to lose.

But I hope he no longer cheerleaders a group that puts skepticism on the back burner, and just becomes a regular old atheist and skeptic again. And realizes that not supporting Atheism+ ≠ being OK with sexual harassment/misogyny.

If he does, I will watch his videos again.

[Butters]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Just wow... Matt was being sneeky but for good reasons...he was testing the fairness and objectivity of the forum. He could have only done that under a different name. Congrats Matt...good onya.

Yea, far out; could be some serious shit to hit the fan over that exchange. Would love to be privy to what’s happening in the back-channel on FfTBs [aka “tantrum central”] ….

Time to lay in some more popcorn ….

I feel that, much like that-bloke-who-FtB-were-considering-beating-up-on-but-thunderf00t-told-on-them whose name I can't remember, the FtB team will squirrel him away into a corner and tell him everything is fine and no hard feelings mate.

That would piss me off because no one else would be given that chance. Just FAMOUS WHITE CIS GENDER MALES. And he should realize this.

[TheMan]

Apart from wondering just what it is that is the essence of your case, what it is that you’re trying to sell, particularly as I think you mentioned you were atheist in our discussions about Islamic Awakening, it seems to me that that problem is such for me only if what you say is in fact true. But it seems to me that the crux of your argument is the “heritability of religion” which I think is too vague and unsupported to properly assess.

The proper term is Heritability of religiosity; my apologies for any confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity

Thanks for the information and links; should keep me out of the pool-hall for a little while at least …. :-)

I could be talking out my arse but Christopher Hitchens in God is NOT Great suggests your "authority" is more likely to swing you towards a religion (whether from birth or later as a "Born again"). If I read it correctly (and my memory isn't awesome) and authority could be your Grand Mother, Peers and/or even the country you were born in.

As a real life example with an online discussion I was having with a born again christian (who argues there is no hell...and Jesus isn't divine according to the bible) I made a point that it was unlikely, while I presumptuously and smartarsely assumed he was shopping around for a religion to feel safe in, that he would have chosen anything other than one of the Christian ones (albiet one he has made up for himself). Digging further, because he couldn't see my point, I asked him why he didn't born again into an islamic based faith and he pointed out his pre-bias towards Christianity from the one time his Grand Mother forced him to go to Church one Sunday when he was a kid. I then pointed out that his Grand Mother was his "authority". He still didn't get it.

I could be digressing though....

[rayshul]

Let's see if he comes here, next.

I assume not. He would have nothing to gain by doing so and much to lose.

Bloke could always do it incognito. Investigate. See if we're truly evil! (We are.)

[Butters]

Let's see if he comes here, next.

I assume not. He would have nothing to gain by doing so and much to lose.

Bloke could always do it incognito. Investigate. See if we're truly evil! (We are.)

Well, that's true.

[John Greg]

This Dillahunty / A+ story is just fucking hilarious, fucking hilarious. Double thumbs up all around.

Now we have to wait and see how they're all going to cover their asses and make up -- and you just know they're either going to find a way to do that, or they're going to find a way to successfully and deeply memory-hole it. Remember, room 101 is their living room, the fucking lot of them.

:dance:

[Steersman]

Apart from wondering just what it is that is the essence of your case, what it is that you’re trying to sell, particularly as I think you mentioned you were atheist in our discussions about Islamic Awakening, it seems to me that that problem is such for me only if what you say is in fact true. But it seems to me that the crux of your argument is the “heritability of religion” which I think is too vague and unsupported to properly assess.

The proper term is Heritability of religiosity; my apologies for any confusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity

Thanks for the information and links; should keep me out of the pool-hall for a little while at least …. :-)

I could be talking out my arse but Christopher Hitchens in God is NOT Great suggests your "authority" is more likely to swing you towards a religion (whether from birth or later as a "Born again"). If I read it correctly (and my memory isn't awesome) and authority could be your Grand Mother, Peers and/or even the country you were born in.

I could be digressing though....

No, I think you’re in pretty much the same ballpark as my previous post to SPACEKlick ….

You might know of this but if not you might take a look at the article on conventional wisdom, something that the economist John Kenneth Galbraith dreamed up or at least popularized which is along the same lines …

[rayshul]

Well... on the subject of religion...

I really hope that someone is going to research and study this little A+ phenomenon. It's about as close as I've seen to an actual cult spring up out of virtually nothing. (Well, with associations with social justice and feminism. But generally.) There's a whole group of people who are WTF about it from the very start, some who promote it without fully understanding it, some who use it for financial gain, some who are very "live and let live" about it, and some who get right on into the koolaid and start sharpening their pitchforks. I suppose it demonstrates that skeptics aren't always that skeptical and that even atheists can take on crazy, socially perverse dogma... which is why it'd be even more interesting to see research on it.

[TheMan]

This Dillahunty / A+ story is just fucking hilarious, fucking hilarious. Double thumbs up all around.

Now we have to wait and see how they're all going to cover their asses and make up -- and you just know they're either going to find a way to do that, or they're going to find a way to successfully and deeply memory-hole it. Remember, room 101 is their living room, the fucking lot of them.

:dance:

Well he kind of has left the door open for that to happen...he'll sleep on it but I can't see how he could accept any olive branch.

I find it odd that some of them are putting up an argument that "curious" was banned because it was a sockpuppet when it was matt that fessed up and he wasn't believed before "curious" was banned". Now some of them are being licky crawly....

[Reap]

Forgiveness and Abuse
October 2, 2012 at 9:36 pm Stephanie Zvan
The petition about Vacula is trying to remove him from a position in which he would be representing the interests of atheists and secularists for an entire state, which isn’t a matter of choice.

Hello?? What state do you live in Stephanie? Oh, not PA? Gee then maybe YOU SHOULD SHUT THE HELL UP. I'm so sick of people being dicks 'just cause'. Isn't there something else you have to do in MN? Are all the issues you care about IN YOUR STATE all wrapped up? If you say yes then you need to check again. I hardly think Justin Vacula is going to begin campaign to remove the rights of any group. Do you even know him? Do you know anything about him other than what you have heard from other people and seen on the internet? What the fuck? Worry about your own shit. Why don't you do somethin about the republicans FROM YOUR STATE who are doing stupid shit that effects the entire country?

[TheMan]

Well... on the subject of religion...

I really hope that someone is going to research and study this little A+ phenomenon. It's about as close as I've seen to an actual cult spring up out of virtually nothing. (Well, with associations with social justice and feminism. But generally.) There's a whole group of people who are WTF about it from the very start, some who promote it without fully understanding it, some who use it for financial gain, some who are very "live and let live" about it, and some who get right on into the koolaid and start sharpening their pitchforks. I suppose it demonstrates that skeptics aren't always that skeptical and that even atheists can take on crazy, socially perverse dogma... which is why it'd be even more interesting to see research on it.

Just read about Chiristianity in the first 4 centuries.... almost finished reading: Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman (arming myself for another discussion). Panning out in similar fashion but in hyper speed... I'm hoping Matt will start a new A+ sect.

[Butters]

This Dillahunty / A+ story is just fucking hilarious, fucking hilarious. Double thumbs up all around.

Now we have to wait and see how they're all going to cover their asses and make up -- and you just know they're either going to find a way to do that, or they're going to find a way to successfully and deeply memory-hole it. Remember, room 101 is their living room, the fucking lot of them.

:dance:

Well he kind of has left the door open for that to happen...he'll sleep on it but I can't see how he could accept any olive branch.

I find it odd that some of them are putting up an argument that "curious" was banned because it was a sockpuppet when it was matt that fessed up and he wasn't believed before "curious" was banned". Now some of them are being licky crawly....

But it still remains true, I think, that he could not have really tested if Atheism+ forums allow for discussion of ideas freely if he did so as himself. He would be treated differently from a random poster and he knows it. If he remembers this, and that non-famous posters would not receive the same conciliatory treatment he is about to get, maybe he will leave it behind like a bad movie.

[Trophy]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Holyfucking shit!!!! This is fucking awesome! Bwhahahahahaha!
After treating the anonymous Matt as a piece of crap, once he reveals who he is this guy comes along and says:

Hello Matt,

I have a lot of respect for you and what you do. Please don't doubt that for a moment. When you register a new account on a forum, you have no history on that forum, so the "you" that I was accusing of having no participation was the you that had no post history, not the meatspace you. We've seen our share of trollish new posters show up claiming to be "just asking questions," only to turn around and reveal hostile intentions shortly thereafter (you can certainly find a number of these under the #atheismplus hashtag). As a result of their behavior, the words I put in quotes trigger intense skepticism in me. I can't say I'm sorry for having this reaction in general, but I'm certainly sorry I misjudged your motives.

This post approval thing is a fairly recent development (without looking, I think less than a week old?), only having been implemented after a wave of trolls repeatedly posted graphic images and inflammatory remarks all over the forums. Very few posts have been disapproved, so this isn't an issue that's been raised before. If nothing else, this highlights a flaw (I think, anyway) with the phpBB system. I, like you, am uncomfortable that disapproved posts cannot be recovered. (And thank you, Siliddar, for modding the system.)

That said, given what Flewellyn has posted, I gather that your original post questioned the wisdom behind my banning of Skep tickle. I would be happy to discuss that ban if anyone (including you) feels it should be discussed. (Perhaps that would best fit in its own thread?)

This strikes me as a comedy of errors, although being in the middle of it makes it somewhat harder to enjoy the humor. Hopefully there'll be a happy ending.

(my bold above).

No, it's not a comedy of errors. It's a lolzfest of hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and internet drama! Hahahahahaha!

[TheMan]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Holyfucking shit!!!! This is fucking awesome! Bwhahahahahaha!
After treating the anonymous Matt as a piece of crap, once he reveals who he is this guy comes along and says:

Hello Matt,

I have a lot of respect for you and what you do. Please don't doubt that for a moment. When you register a new account on a forum, you have no history on that forum, so the "you" that I was accusing of having no participation was the you that had no post history, not the meatspace you. We've seen our share of trollish new posters show up claiming to be "just asking questions," only to turn around and reveal hostile intentions shortly thereafter (you can certainly find a number of these under the #atheismplus hashtag). As a result of their behavior, the words I put in quotes trigger intense skepticism in me. I can't say I'm sorry for having this reaction in general, but I'm certainly sorry I misjudged your motives.

This post approval thing is a fairly recent development (without looking, I think less than a week old?), only having been implemented after a wave of trolls repeatedly posted graphic images and inflammatory remarks all over the forums. Very few posts have been disapproved, so this isn't an issue that's been raised before. If nothing else, this highlights a flaw (I think, anyway) with the phpBB system. I, like you, am uncomfortable that disapproved posts cannot be recovered. (And thank you, Siliddar, for modding the system.)

That said, given what Flewellyn has posted, I gather that your original post questioned the wisdom behind my banning of Skep tickle. I would be happy to discuss that ban if anyone (including you) feels it should be discussed. (Perhaps that would best fit in its own thread?)

This strikes me as a comedy of errors, although being in the middle of it makes it somewhat harder to enjoy the humor. Hopefully there'll be a happy ending.

(my bold above).

No, it's not a comedy of errors. It's a lolzfest of hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and internet drama! Hahahahahaha!

A Complete fuck-up...and the sucking up is really making it worse.

[Trophy]

I'm still having a blast! If I were a TV producer, I would have approved "Atheism+: Reality Drama" for five more seasons right now. Hahahahaha!

[Reap]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Just wow... Matt was being sneeky but for good reasons...he was testing the fairness and objectivity of the forum. He could have only done that under a different name. Congrats Matt...good onya.

Yea, far out; could be some serious shit to hit the fan over that exchange. Would love to be privy to what’s happening in the back-channel on FfTBs [aka “tantrum central”] ….

Time to lay in some more popcorn ….

I wonder if Flewellyn cries themselves to sleep tonight. Or maybe just punches themselves in the face til sleep comes

[Butters]

Whoops, wrong thread. Here's the actual link.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

Holyfucking shit!!!! This is fucking awesome! Bwhahahahahaha!
After treating the anonymous Matt as a piece of crap, once he reveals who he is this guy comes along and says:

Hello Matt,

I have a lot of respect for you and what you do. Please don't doubt that for a moment. When you register a new account on a forum, you have no history on that forum, so the "you" that I was accusing of having no participation was the you that had no post history, not the meatspace you. We've seen our share of trollish new posters show up claiming to be "just asking questions," only to turn around and reveal hostile intentions shortly thereafter (you can certainly find a number of these under the #atheismplus hashtag). As a result of their behavior, the words I put in quotes trigger intense skepticism in me. I can't say I'm sorry for having this reaction in general, but I'm certainly sorry I misjudged your motives.

This post approval thing is a fairly recent development (without looking, I think less than a week old?), only having been implemented after a wave of trolls repeatedly posted graphic images and inflammatory remarks all over the forums. Very few posts have been disapproved, so this isn't an issue that's been raised before. If nothing else, this highlights a flaw (I think, anyway) with the phpBB system. I, like you, am uncomfortable that disapproved posts cannot be recovered. (And thank you, Siliddar, for modding the system.)

That said, given what Flewellyn has posted, I gather that your original post questioned the wisdom behind my banning of Skep tickle. I would be happy to discuss that ban if anyone (including you) feels it should be discussed. (Perhaps that would best fit in its own thread?)

This strikes me as a comedy of errors, although being in the middle of it makes it somewhat harder to enjoy the humor. Hopefully there'll be a happy ending.

(my bold above).

No, it's not a comedy of errors. It's a lolzfest of hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and internet drama! Hahahahahaha!

This is why I like posting on anonymous type forums that don't care about sock accounts as much. While that might not work for something like atheismplus forums, who have no clue how to deal with trolls, it helps in a few ways.

*People are judged on their ideas and statements, not their reputation.
*People who have a real stance they want to put forward but are afraid of backlash that will extend past the forum, are more likely to do so.
*And the culture of the forum then values ideas more than personalities.

Trolls could have their posts moved to another section of the forum (rather than be deleted) where people can still add comments if they want to (and these tend to be hilarious threads), but they won't derail the thread topic.

[Michael K Gray]

I wonder what phoney excuses that back-stabbing slimy turd, that dank tuft of rectal pubic hair, Judas Oolon will have up his shit-soaked sleeve for A+Theisms insane gate-keepers' typically atrocious school-bully behaviour now that they have taken a massive dump on one of their glorious sainted leaders?
Or will he lie low out of cowardice?

[Steersman]

...
Yea, far out; could be some serious shit to hit the fan over that exchange. Would love to be privy to what’s happening in the back-channel on FfTBs [aka “tantrum central”] ….
Time to lay in some more popcorn ….

I wonder if Flewellyn cries themselves to sleep tonight. Or maybe just punches themselves in the face til sleep comes

Likely to be a “whole lot of flouncing going on” …. :-)

Although I was wondering about the differences between the “Slyme Pit” and Atheism-Plus: both phpBB boards, about 15,000 posts in each since July/August, but A+ has all sorts of what certainly appears to be certified whackos to have to deal with …. I wonder whether it’s the heavy moderation and strict rules that’s a major cause …. Would indeed be an interesting study ….

[sacha]

Pssst, Sacha:

http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Phawrongula_Wiki

Just sayin'

:D

cheers, Phil
Someone has to help the blond sometimes.

[Annoying Guest]

I don't understand the SPLC hate site thing:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/1 ... activists/

It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit. But we did call out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.

Also, any way to change the permission settings of images uploaded to the forum itself so that guests can see them without creating an account?

[Steersman]

I wonder what phoney excuses that back-stabbing slimy turd, that dank tuft of rectal pubic hair, Judas Oolon will have up his shit-soaked sleeve for A+Theisms insane gate-keepers' typically atrocious school-bully behaviour now that they have taken a massive dump on one of their glorious sainted leaders?
Or will he lie low out of cowardice?

Steady on there MKG. Has “Judas Oolon” actually taken any 30 pieces of silver and betrayed any of the Pitters? Just because he has expressed some skepticism about various positions held and advanced here hardly seems justification for that rather "baboonish" diatribe of yours.

Although I’ll agree that the A+ gatekeepers aren’t looking very credible even if they’ve probably had to deal with far more trolls than the Pit has. Which might raise a question or two as to why that would be the case ….

[Saint N.]

Meanwhile, the mortuary attendants have wheeled Ophelia in so she can croak out:

That's a falsehood. I didn't say anything about Abbie Smith at any conference. It's also a falsehood that I call people "gender traitors" or "sister punishers" or "chill girls." You recycle that falsehood a lot, C Tuvok. Please note that it's not true.

Tuvok, if you care maybe you, or someone else, might want to jog Ophelia's memory by pointing her to this comment she made on her own blog a few months ago, http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-149398

Don’t give me that, Phil Giordana. I don’t call people witches. Or bitches or fucking bitches or cunts or Twatson or smelly snatch. Abbie does, I don’t. That’s why Abbie’s not on my list of women who should be invited to atheist/secularist conferences. I can come up with a long, long list of women who should be invited; there’s no need whatever to include Abbie on it.

Someone might want to screen cap it for posterity.

[Saint N.]

I just notice that the link isn't going straight to the comment and I need to get back to my shift so just scroll to comment #236 by Ophelia to find it.

[TedDahlberg]

A few years ago, unrelated to this fiasco entirely, I found out this 'friend' on facebook was giving me the silent treatment. Apparently, he had been doing this for over two years. Didnt unfriend me, didnt say 'Hey, Im upset now because of X. Can we talk about it?' Just 'gave me the silent treatment'. I never noticed.

I think thats what organizations must feel like when PZ Myers 'withdraws his support' from their groups.

I'm reminded of one of my favourite poems. Which, I think, also captures the Pit quite well.


In Neglect

They leave us so to the way we took,
As two in whom they were proved mistaken,
That we sit sometimes in the wayside nook,
With mischievous, vagrant, seraphic look,
And try if we cannot feel forsaken.

--Robert Frost

[Steersman]

I don't understand the SPLC hate site thing:

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/1 ... activists/

It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit. But we did call out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.

Also, any way to change the permission settings of images uploaded to the forum itself so that guests can see them without creating an account?

You might want to check the Voice for Men site and search for the Southern Poverty Law Center. They had an article when the SPLC first condemned AVfM as being a hate site. And then, as that link you quoted indicates, they more or less did a retraction. I had searched on Google to find more details but couldn’t find anything better, although I recollect seeing something quite some time ago but didn’t have time to search further …. Here’s one of the articles though ….

[Dick Strawkins]

Has Matt Dillahunty slipped up in his anger and unwittingly let the cat out of the bag?

After all, I was on the back-channel list when the name was suggested

But the name wasn't suggested in the back channel. At least not officially.

It was all above board and spontaneous in Jens first thread about needing a new movement in atheism.
Almost unbelievably spontaneous.
The very first person to reply to Jens thread suggested the name A+

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... ment-96591

Wasn't it?

Surely Matt isn't suggesting that the name was coined in the FTB backchannel beforehand ready to be quickly 'spontaneously' suggested in Jens thread - by 'Pteryxx' in comment number two?

Is he?

This reminded be of something that I've been racking my brains over - a comment from somewhere that suggested something along these lines but one that I didn't give much credence to when I saw it first.

I did a bit of searching and found the comment - it's in the comments of a post making fun of Richard Carrier on 'The Sneer Review'

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID ... 5295335555

Anon FTB said...

Atheism+ is the brainchild of PZ Myers, the "de facto" leader of FTB. Last month he decided to use the private -secret- FTB email list to throw his idea into the world, giving instructions to the list subscribers (FTBloggers) to start brainstorming and working for the cause. This is the reason why, "suddenly" most FTB seem to have had the same idea at the same time... Also note PZ's recent Free Inquiry article, his google hangouts and, mostly, his revealing and surprising humble attitude towards the origin of the A+ idea...
Atheism+ is just the particular set of principles that PZ uses to travel through the world and a clever way to try to portrait them as the only ones a decent human person can hold... Where are the words -to put an example that shows the narrowness of that point of view- against poverty, unemployment, hunger or child labour? The answer may lie in PZ's infatuation with his iPad, iPhones, etc. all of them made in China by teenage girls, working 6/7 for almost no money and living (sleeping, eating, etc) in the same factories where they work...

That seems to fit in with Matts statement about the name (and probably the entire 'movement') being generated (in secret?) in the FTB backchannel.

What tangled webs we weave...

[Steersman]

Pssst, Sacha:

http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/Phawrongula_Wiki

Just sayin'

:D

cheers, Phil
Someone has to help the blond sometimes.

I don’t think you need to rely overmuch on that blond meme, sacha; I expect we all forget things and nobody knows everything – at least I hope that’s the case as otherwise my paranoia is going to flare up again …. :-)

[rayshul]

Although I was wondering about the differences between the “Slyme Pit” and Atheism-Plus: both phpBB boards, about 15,000 posts in each since July/August, but A+ has all sorts of what certainly appears to be certified whackos to have to deal with …. I wonder whether it’s the heavy moderation and strict rules that’s a major cause …. Would indeed be an interesting study ….

Slimepit has really technically been around for a year, and I suspect its reputation keeps a lot of potential trollers away. Because oh noes we will d0xx people or some shit. Also it's a little hard to check if the Slimepit has a troll problem because we don't really keep an official hit list up like that...

[Butters]

Has Matt Dillahunty slipped up in his anger and unwittingly let the cat out of the bag?

After all, I was on the back-channel list when the name was suggested

But the name wasn't suggested in the back channel. At least not officially.

It was all above board and spontaneous in Jens first thread about needing a new movement in atheism.
Almost unbelievably spontaneous.
The very first person to reply to Jens thread suggested the name A+

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/201 ... ment-96591

Wasn't it?

Surely Matt isn't suggesting that the name was coined in the FTB backchannel beforehand ready to be quickly 'spontaneously' suggested in Jens thread - by 'Pteryxx' in comment number two?

Is he?

This reminded be of something that I've been racking my brains over - a comment from somewhere that suggested something along these lines but one that I didn't give much credence to when I saw it first.

I did a bit of searching and found the comment - it's in the comments of a post making fun of Richard Carrier on 'The Sneer Review'

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID ... 5295335555

Anon FTB said...

Atheism+ is the brainchild of PZ Myers, the "de facto" leader of FTB. Last month he decided to use the private -secret- FTB email list to throw his idea into the world, giving instructions to the list subscribers (FTBloggers) to start brainstorming and working for the cause. This is the reason why, "suddenly" most FTB seem to have had the same idea at the same time... Also note PZ's recent Free Inquiry article, his google hangouts and, mostly, his revealing and surprising humble attitude towards the origin of the A+ idea...
Atheism+ is just the particular set of principles that PZ uses to travel through the world and a clever way to try to portrait them as the only ones a decent human person can hold... Where are the words -to put an example that shows the narrowness of that point of view- against poverty, unemployment, hunger or child labour? The answer may lie in PZ's infatuation with his iPad, iPhones, etc. all of them made in China by teenage girls, working 6/7 for almost no money and living (sleeping, eating, etc) in the same factories where they work...

That seems to fit in with Matts statement about the name (and probably the entire 'movement') being generated (in secret?) in the FTB backchannel.

What tangled webs we weave...

I just kind of assumed (albeit with no proof as I do not have access to the FTB backchannel) that it was fairly planned out in advance with the FTB bloggers. Didn't everyone assume this?

[Spence]

Wow, so much going on difficult to keep up.

The observation that atheism plus will soon be a forum of just moderators is hilarious. It suits them - they will just become a mindless group of little authoritarians, each having their own segment of power over something made completely worthless by their own hands. It is no surprise that this resulted in DillahuntyGate, or whatever it should be called for posterity.

And Jean Kazez channels Senator Joseph McCarthy! Fantastic! I'm not surprised she disabled comments on *that* blog post. But Jean and the FC6/5, I have words for you, courtesy of J. Welch (no, not *that* J. Welch):

Until this moment, FC5, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Justin Vacula is a young man who went to the King's College and become co-chair of the Pennsylvania Chapter SCA and is starting what looks to be a brilliant engagement with them. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true he is still with the SCA. It is true that he will continue to be with the SCA. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.

But in the minds of Jean Kazez, and the FC5, it is okay to blacklist people from the community if they have joined or spoken to people with political affiliations that you disapprove of. McCarthy did nothing wrong in their eyes.

(Mind, I suspect oolon will be along shortly to explain McCarthy just made a few mistakes, and that I'm being unfair to McCarthy by getting worked up over one or two little foibles. After all, we all make mistakes, don't we? Because oolon doesn't understand what integrity and objectivity actually is and why it is so important)

[Steersman]

...
That seems to fit in with Matts statement about the name (and probably the entire 'movement') being generated (in secret?) in the FTB backchannel.

What tangled webs we weave...

Good point; I had figured that it was too pat a story that Jen made her big announcement and then within a short period of time, I estimated a couple of weeks: Voila! AtheismPlus website a going concern with moderators and policies and protocols. But maybe I’m just being cynical and that it's quite easy to set something up like that ….

[rayshul]

That seems to fit in with Matts statement about the name (and probably the entire 'movement') being generated (in secret?) in the FTB backchannel.

Bit shitty of him, to have a stupid idea and set up some silly student to take the fall for it, hey! The A+ rallying sounds a lot like what I've heard of his speeches at conferences... the sort of chanting of YES that you can salute to... But this is interesting. I wonder if it's possible to find out more information. I guess we have to wait for the next defection. So... a week or two?

[Steersman]

Although I was wondering about the differences between the “Slyme Pit” and Atheism-Plus: both phpBB boards, about 15,000 posts in each since July/August, but A+ has all sorts of what certainly appears to be certified whackos to have to deal with …. I wonder whether it’s the heavy moderation and strict rules that’s a major cause …. Would indeed be an interesting study ….

Slimepit has really technically been around for a year, and I suspect its reputation keeps a lot of potential trollers away. Because oh noes we will d0xx people or some shit. Also it's a little hard to check if the Slimepit has a troll problem because we don't really keep an official hit list up like that...

Certainly an interesting problem, I think anyway, as to why that might be the case. There was that Xjustos troll who recently kept posting the same schlock and I expect he just decamped for greener pastures when nobody was reacting in outrage – or in any response at all for that matter. I figure the A+ moderators might want to reflect on that case – and also the dearth of trolls and the general absence of “bad werdz” ….

Time to call it a day though; night all ….

[real horrorshow]

Speaking of which...

MayhewComment.JPG

The Baboons won't like that!!!

Oh dear, artist, TED Fellow, activist, not a blue-haired bin-liner full of yogurt. Somebody wont like that.

She tells this story about herself:

I embarrassed myself as a science fan girl by nervously and awkwardly lingering too long around Brian Cox, at TED 2009. He politely sat next to me in the TED theater balcony and I later joked that at least I didn't make a complete fool of myself and yell out "I love Cox!" to the entire audience.

In the name of Peezus! What if he'd asked her to have coffee? '"I love Cox"' Chill girl rape-enabler!

[SPACKlick]

SPACEKlick

Just FYI, this typo really bugs me. It's SPACKlick, short for Spastic Window Licker. Not Spacelick like the astronaut. :whistle:

[rayshul]

SPACEKlick

Just FYI, this typo really bugs me. It's SPACKlick, short for Spastic Window Licker. Not Spacelick like the astronaut. :whistle:

Actually he's written it SpaceKlick, so more like this:

http://www.oddfilms.com/blog/media/carr ... -blood.jpg

Not great for licking, though.

[real horrorshow]

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[cunt]

SPACEKlick

Just FYI, this typo really bugs me. It's SPACKlick, short for Spastic Window Licker. Not Spacelick like the astronaut. :whistle:

Actually he's written it SpaceKlick, so more like this:

http://www.oddfilms.com/blog/media/carr ... -blood.jpg

Not great for licking, though.

I'm not a fussy man.

[rayshul]

I'm cracking up over here.

Was trying to find that "because I am X" post for lulz and did a search on the A+ forums. I swear to fuck this came back.

The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: privilege.
You must specify at least one word to search for. Each word must consist of at least 3 characters and must not contain more than 14 characters excluding wildcards.

OMFG