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Post by free thoughtpolice » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:55 am

How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:25 pm

While I am not anti-immigration per se, I think it needs to be curbed. And most importantly, you gotta screen the bastards.


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Post by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:43 pm

Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.


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Post by MarcusAu » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:52 pm

Seems a bit gay.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:21 am

MarcusAu wrote: Seems a bit gay.
That was Sparta.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:46 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.

Not according to the to the traditional racists of North America and Western Europe. Greeks and Slavs have belonged on a lower rung of the ladder than those of western European descent.
Besides, the bloody Turks ruled Greece for centuries and have polluted their gene pool. Faith Goldy really doesn't look terribly white to me. She looks more middle eastern or Asian by her hair,skin, and eye colors as well as her features. Her lips look african and by the looks of her forehead she could easily be Kirbmarc's cousin.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:01 am

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.

Not according to the to the traditional racists of North America and Western Europe. Greeks and Slavs have belonged on a lower rung of the ladder than those of western European descent.
Besides, the bloody Turks ruled Greece for centuries and have polluted their gene pool. Faith Goldy really doesn't look terribly white to me. She looks more middle eastern or Asian by her hair,skin, and eye colors as well as her features. Her lips look african and by the looks of her forehead she could easily be Kirbmarc's cousin.
I've always understood the Ancient Greeks to be more European and modern Greece to be Western rather than strictly white. Playing the ethnostate game, my grandfather considered both Greeks and Italians to be non-white, and had his doubts about the French. It's tribalism all the way down, ain't it?

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:13 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.

So usually in movies they leave their helmets off so that the lead characters are identifiable to the audience. Here they leave the helmets on but take off the cuirass to show off how ripped they are. Bold choice for ladies and fans of homoerotic scenes, but I'm surprised a student of history would enjoy it overly much. Not to mention many other glaring historical faults, but I suppose that not having seen the rest of the movie, it may be all part of the magic for all I know.

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Post by Reading_Steiner » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:14 am

If you want historical accuracy, I'm afraid you shouldn't come anywhere close to a TV screen... Hell, even many documentaries are absolute crap in terms of realism.

And it's always fun for me to hear the white nationalists rejecting the Greeks, Italians etc as not really white while wanking over their European heritage. If anything, European culture is based on Greco-Roman culture and Judeo-Christian culture, which would make protestant Germans and Anglo-Saxons, who rebelled against Roman Catholicism, less European than the Greeks, Italians, Bulgarians or Russians lol. There are often arguments that Russia, Greece etc aren't European... Hell, if any big country of the continent should be criticised as "not being culturally European enough", it would be the Germanic countries, and not the Slavs and Greeks!

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Post by Kirbmarc » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:33 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I've always understood the Ancient Greeks to be more European and modern Greece to be Western rather than strictly white. Playing the ethnostate game, my grandfather considered both Greeks and Italians to be non-white, and had his doubts about the French. It's tribalism all the way down, ain't it?
Yes. And not only in the US, but in the entire world. You may have heard of the moronic idea that "there's no racial prejudice in islam". It's an utter lie. Not only are Arabs or Iranians or Turks or Chechen or Bosniaks or South East Asians very racist against sub-Saharan Africans, but also each and every one of those groups hate each other's guts. And even among Arabs there's A LOT of tribalism between Middle Easterners and North Africans. To say nothing of Arabs vs. Berbers.

It's tribalism all the way down everywhere. Every tribe hates their neighboring tribes, it's always been like this, and it's only in industrialized, rich countries that people start to see inter-tribal prejudice/anger as a social problem, mostly because in industrialized societies you're forced to move, to leave your homogeneous village and come in contract with people of a different ancestry and origin.

I'm not saying this to argue that industrialized countries are immune to racism or tribalism, that would be an incredibly stupid argument to make. But in those countries racism/tribalism is at least SEEN as a problem, at least by a lot of people who travel around and have many intra-tribal contacts. In "traditional" societies tribalism is THE NORM, it's not accepted but it's never even questioned.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:03 pm

"it's not ONLY accepted"

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Post by Brive1987 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:00 pm

It’s almost as if In-group preference is built into the system for some reason.

As we enlightened ones jettison this mechanism, I hope the rest of the tribes get the memo.

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Post by MarcusAu » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:19 am

Brive1987 wrote: almost as if In-group preference is built into the system for some reason.

As we enlightened ones jettison this mechanism, I hope the rest of the tribes get the memo.
I don't recall voting to end slavery. You'll have to give the credit (or blame) for that to the parties involved.

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:17 am

Hmm. I missed a turn on this conversation.

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:33 am

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.

So usually in movies they leave their helmets off so that the lead characters are identifiable to the audience. Here they leave the helmets on but take off the cuirass to show off how ripped they are. Bold choice for ladies and fans of homoerotic scenes, but I'm surprised a student of history would enjoy it overly much. Not to mention many other glaring historical faults, but I suppose that not having seen the rest of the movie, it may be all part of the magic for all I know.
300 is a superb movie.

It is told in the form of traditional Greek oral history via a narrator on the eve of Plataea. The requisite moral lessons are delivered via appropriately (for the time) exaggerated metaphor - Spartan idealism vs mythic barbarian horror. Very Heroditarian. And a nice encapsulation of the Lacedaemonian mythology that was already formed by the Peloponnesian War.

If the exaggeration and stylized story telling offends as unhistorical, well then I suggest (ever so politely) that you don't "get it".

Of course the vehicle may not be to taste - but that's simple preference at play.

If you consider it merely an uncouth racist morality play, set against the Iraqi War, then I'd posit that the historical perception of a clash of civilizations has merely found a mirror separated by 2500 years.

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Post by MarcusAu » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:44 am

Brive1987 wrote: to end slavery. You'll have to give the credit (or blame) for that to the parties involved.
Oh well, I hope you still got the shag.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:19 am

Brive1987 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: How about Greek/Ukranian (alleged) Goldy. Even a notch below the dreaded bohunk.
Goldy is a Christian supremacist not a white supremacist. Her dark skin is tolerated since she shoots big guns and loves Jesus. Pale-faced atheists are getting the boot, too.
Greeks have been the traditional bulwark of the West against the nasties from Asia Minor and beyond.

So usually in movies they leave their helmets off so that the lead characters are identifiable to the audience. Here they leave the helmets on but take off the cuirass to show off how ripped they are. Bold choice for ladies and fans of homoerotic scenes, but I'm surprised a student of history would enjoy it overly much. Not to mention many other glaring historical faults, but I suppose that not having seen the rest of the movie, it may be all part of the magic for all I know.
300 is a superb movie.

It is told in the form of traditional Greek oral history via a narrator on the eve of Plataea. The requisite moral lessons are delivered via appropriately (for the time) exaggerated metaphor - Spartan idealism vs mythic barbarian horror. Very Heroditarian. And a nice encapsulation of the Lacedaemonian mythology that was already formed by the Peloponnesian War.

If the exaggeration and stylized story telling offends as unhistorical, well then I suggest (ever so politely) that you don't "get it".

Of course the vehicle may not be to taste - but that's simple preference at play.

If you consider it merely an uncouth racist morality play, set against the Iraqi War, then I'd posit that the historical perception of a clash of civilizations has merely found a mirror separated by 2500 years.
I'm a bit confused. Didn't the battle of Thermopylae take place a good long while before the Peloponnesian war? Thus making the encapsulation mythology a bit forward-looking for any potential witness-narrator.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:16 am

TBF, I had planned on seeing the movie when it came out, I was even enthused. But then I received a catalog of replica swords, as before my injuries I did both fencing and historical combat (Not the silly creative anachronism stuff.) Now my thing was more late medieval and renaissance, but I'm not entirely ignorant of the Ancient world. And I see this sword, looks like an orcish falchion, but no, it's advertised as king Leonidis' sword. Not a xiphon or a kopis, that lovely predecessor to one of my favorite blade styles, the kukri. I was displeased. Then I see the trailer with bare-chested men doing a choreographed dance thing, and I lost more enthusiasm.

Finally it comes out, and I ask a friend who saw it how it was. He says pretty good, 300 people all alone fighting off "like a million." I say "What about the Thespians?" and he says, confused, "Well, there's Gerard Butler..."

So I figured it's another fantasy movie with the thin respectability of history frosted over it. Maybe I'll give it a watch later.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:30 am

As to the clash of civilizations, well, Sparta was mainly a warlike part of Greece rather than the ideal of western civilization. Sparta left a fighting legacy, and when they weren't busy killing other Greeks they were certainly useful in defending Hellenic civilization, but I do believe more of the rich legacy of western values came more from Athens. Had Sparta been the sole Greek power, what of art, literature or philosophy would have made it into the western Canon? I'm not doubting their bravery, but their value seems more as security for or a foil for Greek civilization rather than defenders of western values. They had a repressive government that was barely better than the Persians.

I would take the Battle of Marathon to be more fitting in the metaphor for clashing cultures. Athens was more advanced in everything but land warfare and far more "western" than Sparta.

My two cents.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:46 am

Stephen Molyneaux, Lauren Southern's partner in crime in the Land Down Under, is triggered by children's books:
Oh, NO! There are books that teach to children that their new neighbors might be foreigners! THE HORROR! THE HORROR! :twatson:

I thought Anita Sarkeesian was an idiot, but compared to these "white identity" morons she was freaking Einstein.

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:55 am

Kirbmarc wrote: Stephen Molyneaux, Lauren Southern's partner in crime in the Land Down Under, is triggered by children's books:
Oh, NO! There are books that teach to children that their new neighbors might be foreigners! THE HORROR! THE HORROR! :twatson:

I thought Anita Sarkeesian was an idiot, but compared to these "white identity" morons she was freaking Einstein.
Unless you've got a bamboo grove, pandas are going to be a lot less trouble than bears. But the books are trash and trite, obvious lessons that usually appeal to grownups buying "helpful" books for kids. I also hate how momma bear is almost always wise and enlightened, and it's poppa bear who always gotta learn his lesson.
My kids got loads of them as presents, but they didn't care much for them. So many kid's books are designed more to extract a purchase from an adult rather than enjoyment from the child.

But, I get your point. Each side is getting worked up about trivialities so they have ammunition to virtue signal. I'll bet SJWs could also get worked up about the book, starting with the curious panda choice.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Fucking Pandas are scum. :animals-bear:

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Stephen Molyneaux, Lauren Southern's partner in crime in the Land Down Under, is triggered by children's books:
Oh, NO! There are books that teach to children that their new neighbors might be foreigners! THE HORROR! THE HORROR! :twatson:

I thought Anita Sarkeesian was an idiot, but compared to these "white identity" morons she was freaking Einstein.
Unless you've got a bamboo grove, pandas are going to be a lot less trouble than bears. But the books are trash and trite, obvious lessons that usually appeal to grownups buying "helpful" books for kids. I also hate how momma bear is almost always wise and enlightened, and it's poppa bear who always gotta learn his lesson.
My kids got loads of them as presents, but they didn't care much for them. So many kid's books are designed more to extract a purchase from an adult rather than enjoyment from the child.

But, I get your point. Each side is getting worked up about trivialities so they have ammunition to virtue signal. I'll bet SJWs could also get worked up about the book, starting with the curious panda choice.
Look at those transmisogynistic, heteronormative, patriarchal families! All with mothers and fathers, all cis scum! /SJW

Yeah, I don't really give a crap about the books, they're likely mawkish, stupidly written, contrived and simplistic like many books for children, that's why kids hate them.

As you say it's the inanity of the thing which is bitterly funny. When Sarky and McIntosh acted outraged that we couldn't see Batman's ass in a video game everyone laughed at them.

Now this dingbat is outraged at the Berenstain Bears, and even tries to whip up some scaremongering.

Sarkeesian at least only pushed the idea that the video game industry catered to the Evil NerdBoys, which is moronic but not conspiracy fodder. The fans of Molyneux
already blame Jewiz Conzpirazies in their tweets. That's hilariously retarded.

My point is that no matter how hard the alt-right, alt-lite, alt-whatever TRY to appear as Serious Thinkers with Big Thoughts about Real Concerns, they're actually just as stupid, crazy, petty and childish as the Dangerhair FemiNazis they hate so much, or worse.

They get triggered by movies, books, stories, just like the SocJus. It's comedy gold when you think about it, especially since the alt-righters love to brag about their strength and resilience. Then a children's books gsts them antsy.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:49 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Fucking Pandas are scum. :animals-bear:
You racist Trumpy Bear :twatson:

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Kirbmarc wrote: Stephen Molyneaux, Lauren Southern's partner in crime in the Land Down Under, is triggered by children's books:

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Oh, NO! There are books that teach to children that their new neighbors might be foreigners! THE HORROR! THE HORROR! :twatson:

I thought Anita Sarkeesian was an idiot, but compared to these "white identity" morons she was freaking Einstein.
Simple stories, fairy tales, suited for children’s comprehension if not learning. Think Brady Bunch.

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:52 pm

“Now this dingbat is outraged at the Berenstain Bears”

Sorry. That tweet was an arched eyebrow. You need to manage your own red curtain.

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Post by Kirbmarc » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:55 pm

Brive1987 wrote: “Now this dingbat is outraged at the Berenstain Bears”

Sorry. That tweet was an arched eyebrow. You need to manage your own red curtain.
Triggered by the Berenstain Bears. What a snowflake. :bjarte:

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: TBF, I had planned on seeing the movie when it came out, I was even enthused. But then I received a catalog of replica swords, as before my injuries I did both fencing and historical combat (Not the silly creative anachronism stuff.) Now my thing was more late medieval and renaissance, but I'm not entirely ignorant of the Ancient world. And I see this sword, looks like an orcish falchion, but no, it's advertised as king Leonidis' sword. Not a xiphon or a kopis, that lovely predecessor to one of my favorite blade styles, the kukri. I was displeased. Then I see the trailer with bare-chested men doing a choreographed dance thing, and I lost more enthusiasm.

Finally it comes out, and I ask a friend who saw it how it was. He says pretty good, 300 people all alone fighting off "like a million." I say "What about the Thespians?" and he says, confused, "Well, there's Gerard Butler..."

So I figured it's another fantasy movie with the thin respectability of history frosted over it. Maybe I'll give it a watch later.
The allies are there. Nicely colour coded. Because it’s a Spartan myth being told they play an appropriately supporting role.

I don’t know about the sword, but they got the othmisos right, if stylised, per the Anderson, Hanson, Luginbill school. The blade looked like a chopping weapon and was used as such. So I gave it a pass.

I take your point re Pelop. War. But the movie is more complex thematically than an an accurate representation of what would have been said on eve of battle 479 BC. It takes the contemporary myth of Lycurgian Sparta (the place was already a Disneyland for Roman tourists pre-AD), the elements of Herodotus (the entire scary and barbaric world waging war on Hellas, suns covered by arrows, “come and get em” etc ) and the exaggeration and metaphor of pub tales oral history which is intent on ramming home teachable moments.

So no. Nothing is, by intent, “historical” . There are wild Persian war creatures. The evil Ephialtes is depicted as a disgusting Gollum like hunchback, Turkish Persian atrocities are like something out of Warhammer, Xerxes is a literally larger than life Demi God. The pass / gates are massively stylised as characters in their own right. The battle scenes are heavy, continuous and every classical scholar’s secret wet dream.

The whole vibe has intentionally replicated the Heavy Metal quality of the original graphic novel. Done realistically, the actual social currency of the thing would have been lost.

But. The framework is there. You have the Spartan diffidence in going to war, the strong but trad Spartan women, the Ephors /Gerousia machinations and the Oracle’s warnings. You have the agōgē and the tendency for Spartan traitors to head for Persian gold. You have the building of the Phocian wall etc etc.

But I reckon a lot of people simply said “what a gay, unrealistic, violent, tedious travesty of real life. And West Pointers love the story so it’s probaly Nazi as well.”

Meh.

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:25 pm

Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: “Now this dingbat is outraged at the Berenstain Bears”

Sorry. That tweet was an arched eyebrow. You need to manage your own red curtain.
Triggered by the Berenstain Bears. What a snowflake. :bjarte:
“Posted without comment”. Least seismic trigger ever. How many tweets has he done?

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:37 pm

In short. If you are already “into” and across this period of history and Herodotus and have an awareness of the Spartan myth topic then it will probably resonate on a visceral but higher level than the overt action / graphics deserve. If you expect a Saving Private Ryan or want a quick injection of ancient history or a contained Game of Thrones / Return of the King you are probably stuffed.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: As to the clash of civilizations, well, Sparta was mainly a warlike part of Greece rather than the ideal of western civilization. Sparta left a fighting legacy, and when they weren't busy killing other Greeks they were certainly useful in defending Hellenic civilization, but I do believe more of the rich legacy of western values came more from Athens. Had Sparta been the sole Greek power, what of art, literature or philosophy would have made it into the western Canon? I'm not doubting their bravery, but their value seems more as security for or a foil for Greek civilization rather than defenders of western values. They had a repressive government that was barely better than the Persians.

I would take the Battle of Marathon to be more fitting in the metaphor for clashing cultures. Athens was more advanced in everything but land warfare and far more "western" than Sparta.

My two cents.
Sparta was the Greek Cato that put a moral backbone into a story otherwise characterised by the girly but creative Athenians. You need to net them off to get a usable origins story.

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Post by MarcusAu » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:47 pm

Brive1987 wrote: In short. If you are already “into” and across this period of history and Herodotus and have an awareness of the Spartan myth topic then it will probably resonate on a visceral but higher level than the overt action / graphics deserve. If you expect a Saving Private Ryan or want a quick injection of ancient history or a contained Game of Thrones / Return of the King you are probably stuffed.
It's weird that Herodotus is known as the 'Father of History' but that he also seems to be the original unreliable narrator. (Well, except for all the others that is).

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:50 pm

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Brive1987 wrote: In short. If you are already “into” and across this period of history and Herodotus and have an awareness of the Spartan myth topic then it will probably resonate on a visceral but higher level than the overt action / graphics deserve. If you expect a Saving Private Ryan or want a quick injection of ancient history or a contained Game of Thrones / Return of the King you are probably stuffed.
It's weird that Herodotus is known as the 'Father of History' but that he also seems to be the original unreliable narrator. (Well, except for all the others that is).
It’s a relative thing. Thucydides is of course the first “real” historian.

Re earlier point about relevance. There is actually a scene in 300 where the King mocks the Athenian’s as “boy lovers”.

Kind of ironic given the historical reality of Sparta and 300s glistening toxic masculinity. And usually this scene is laughed at by critics with a little bit of knowledge. In context it’s clear that the slur is a modern expression of the Spartans disdain for the Athenian lack of discipline, honour etc etc

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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by MarcusAu » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:52 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: “Now this dingbat is outraged at the Berenstain Bears”

Sorry. That tweet was an arched eyebrow. You need to manage your own red curtain.
Triggered by the Berenstain Bears. What a snowflake. :bjarte:
“Posted without comment”. Least seismic trigger ever. How many tweets has he done?
At times my heart almost goes out to Moly - this is what he has chosen to do for a living.

Sargon too, come to think of it.

The Internet has become a modern day version of talk radio. Where you are either the one making money riling people up - or the sucker paying for it.

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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:35 pm

Brive1987 wrote: In short. If you are already “into” and across this period of history and Herodotus and have an awareness of the Spartan myth topic then it will probably resonate on a visceral but higher level than the overt action / graphics deserve. If you expect a Saving Private Ryan or want a quick injection of ancient history or a contained Game of Thrones / Return of the King you are probably stuffed.
I might be stuffed then, but I'll give a go. I find it hard to get into historically based movies when the historical revisions are unnecessary. The battle stood on its own merits, no enhancements would be needed.
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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: As to the clash of civilizations, well, Sparta was mainly a warlike part of Greece rather than the ideal of western civilization. Sparta left a fighting legacy, and when they weren't busy killing other Greeks they were certainly useful in defending Hellenic civilization, but I do believe more of the rich legacy of western values came more from Athens. Had Sparta been the sole Greek power, what of art, literature or philosophy would have made it into the western Canon? I'm not doubting their bravery, but their value seems more as security for or a foil for Greek civilization rather than defenders of western values. They had a repressive government that was barely better than the Persians.

I would take the Battle of Marathon to be more fitting in the metaphor for clashing cultures. Athens was more advanced in everything but land warfare and far more "western" than Sparta.

My two cents.
Sparta was the Greek Cato that put a moral backbone into a story otherwise characterised by the girly but creative Athenians. You need to net them off to get a usable origins story.
Meh, if you wanna use metaphors, Athens was the soul of the Hellenic world, Sparta the brutal right arm.

But if you enjoy what I consider an inordinate fondness for Sparta, you might like The Ten Thousand, a novel about the actual events shortly after the Peloponnesian war.
(American site) I thought it okay, fairly historically accurate, but that the author rushed the ending, not getting the whole of the saga right.

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Post by Brive1987 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:31 pm

Might have a look. Does it compare to the opus?

Btw Ik not spartan aligned - it’s a fun story. And after Sphacteria they lost all cause for respect.


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Re: The Ethnostate Thread!

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Post by Brive1987 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:59 am

Shots fired.


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Post by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:17 am



Maybe shots should be fired. This shit wouldn't fly in the US. You need more Chinese in Australia to help with this, they know how to deal with muslims.

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