Baby it's Cold Outside: My Defense Against InZvanity

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Baby it's Cold Outside: My Defense Against InZvanity

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I am really, really pissed off about this, so I am writing this to defend myself against the utterly ludicrous, insanely ridiculous charge that this song is about rape and that that is why I posted the lyrics.

Stefunny says (in regard to this site in general, but to my posting of a verse of Baby it's Cold Outside in particular):
So lovely when “barely socially acceptable” doesn’t quite make it as the standard of the day. But how can it when your site must contain a pressure valve for the rape references?
This is what Stefunny uses as her proof that the song Baby it's Cold Outside is about rape (from Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/article_18431_8- ... -rape.html):
No Christmas in a department store is complete without having to listen to Dean Martin croon this tune about four times an hour. It features the kind of saucy banter your parents think is awesome and probably made your mom hot after a few egg nogs back in the day. Sick.

Curiously, however, in Dean's extended efforts to keep his lady friend from leaving him for the night, they slip in the somewhat off putting line in which it's implied that Dean has laced her drink with roofies [JG: there is not such line; at that time in history and within that drnking culture, theline alomst certainly refers to how strongly hthe drink has beeen mixed. Anf for another thing the drug known as Rohypnol wasn;t even created until 1972 and Dean Martin recorded the song in 1959]. Because really, if the weather won't keep her in the house, date rape drugs are the next best step.

In fairness, Deano might just be doping her with rum, although that's not really all that much more honorable considering the entire debate is about whether she should drive home. Perhaps best of all is when she wises up and asks what's in the drink and he glosses over it like it ain't no thang, pointing out that there are no cabs available. So the best case scenario for this holiday gem is essentially: Dean Martin forces himself on a woman with the threat of a DUI and potentially vehicular manslaughter.
For the fucking record, and listen up Stefunny you slandering deceitful piece of gutter refuse: there is no such line about lacing the drink. At that time in history and within that drinking culture, the line they are talking about (Say, what's in this drink) would have been a reference to how strongly the drink has been mixed. And for another thing the drug known as Rohypnol (roofies) wasn't even created until 1972. Dean Martin recorded the song in 1959.

And doubley for the fucking record the song is a romance song with a couple playing flirty love and sex courting games. Anyone remember flirting and playing love and sex courting games with your partner? Or has that too moved into room 101.

Jesus.

Here is a Wikipedia article about the song. Now, yes, Wikipedia is not the be-all end-all of evidence, but it's a damn site better than Cracked.com, and Worlds away better than Stefunny InZvanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside

And does anyone, anyone at all on Stefunny's blog say, Hey Steph, that song was recorded before roofies were created, and was about mixing drinks too strong. No of course not. Let's just slander Slyme People 'cause we don't like 'em. That's what real skeptics do.

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LOOOOL!

That is the only response that Zvan's babbling warrants.

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0verlord wrote:That is the only response that Zvan's babbling warrants.
Hey. You spelt her name right! That's not on. Remember folks, always spell Black Svan's name wrong - because it drives her up the fucking wall.

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I see the complaint as being mostly anachronistic. Many of the complaints would be valid if the song were written today, but not for that time. Now there ARE rape drugs, as has been pointed out. Also, now both sides, after a big ad campaign, are aware that "no means no". At that time, for large parts of society, a good girl who was interested was required to say no a few times to avoid being thought of as a slut. And it wasn't just the guys who would have thought so either.

So, should the song be played any more? I don't see a real problem with it, since I don't think anyone is unaware that it's an old song from another time. To support banning it would also be to support removing Huckleberry Finn from the library. If it was being quoted here to support rape I don't think these would have been the lines from the song that would have been quoted.. unless it's a dog whistle thing I'm unaware of.

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JAB wrote:I see the complaint as being mostly anachronistic. Many of the complaints would be valid if the song were written today, but not for that time. Now there ARE rape drugs, as has been pointed out. Also, now both sides, after a big ad campaign, are aware that "no means no". At that time, for large parts of society, a good girl who was interested was required to say no a few times to avoid being thought of as a slut. And it wasn't just the guys who would have thought so either.

So, should the song be played any more? I don't see a real problem with it, since I don't think anyone is unaware that it's an old song from another time. To support banning it would also be to support removing Huckleberry Finn from the library. If it was being quoted here to support rape I don't think these would have been the lines from the song that would have been quoted.. unless it's a dog whistle thing I'm unaware of.
Although I should ad that I have no clue what he WAS trying to say with that post or thread, so maybe you should disregard what I just said.

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The principle problem, outside of Zvan's blatant dishonesty, and I suspect, serious problem with sex, intimacy, and romance, is that the current state of sexual paranoia, particularly in the US, has led people to no longer be able to understand, to be comfortable with, and to share in the intended playful fun of the fact that the song is about flirty sex play between young consenting adults, wherein the come-here-go-away play is normal, healthy, fun, mutually engaging and satisfactory teasing play. The fucking Aunt Nannies of the world, and as I say particularily in the US, have turned sex play into the same evil they perceive in a bunch a black rappers raving on about the joys of forced anal sex.

Well kids and neighbours, it just ain't the same thing.

Anyone who let's some freak like Stefunny dictate what is and what is not allowable fun flirty sex play, well, you might as well just cut your junk off right now, jump in a tub of cold salt water, and start saying those Hole Marys.

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