The Refuge of the Toads

#6601

I'm gutted that I couldn't make it fellow Pitters, I was out on a date.

She touched my forehead. She's a keeper.

#6602

So let's do it again next Saturday. Should we do it later in the day?

#6603

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
Does anyone else remember a Pharyngula hangout that featured David Marjanowhatever, who appeared with just his forehead and eyes peeking over the edge of a desk? It was totes adorbs ... I wanted to take him home and put him in a terrarium.
okay, fine, I think kirb gets the message...

Oh, so that's what he was doing! I thought he was hiding his totes adorbs fish lips.

http://media.giphy.com/media/UU6nL2O6JTPyw/giphy.gif

#6604

comhcinc wrote:I need to know what is behind that curtain.

A color out of space. The Maltese falcon. And the secret door which leads to an Illuminati crypt.

Seriously though? A window.

#6605

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Shatterface wrote:I've a feeling if the Pit organised a RL convention either we'd get along like a house on fire or else there'd be a Carrie-like bloodbath and the sole survivor would make garbled police statements about spinning dancers and gooses for gander.
Both resolves are equally satisfying to me.

Is it bad that when I first read it I actually thought that Shatterface wrote a Carrier-like bloobath?

Although knowing Carrier, it wouldn't be a bloodbath...

#6606

Kirbmarc wrote:
comhcinc wrote:I need to know what is behind that curtain.
A color out of space. The Maltese falcon. And the secret door which leads to an Illuminati crypt.

Seriously though? A window.

You would be amazed at how closely you are to some of the comments from the hangout today.

#6607

comhcinc wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
comhcinc wrote:I need to know what is behind that curtain.
A color out of space. The Maltese falcon. And the secret door which leads to an Illuminati crypt.

Seriously though? A window.

You would be amazed at how closely you are to some of the comments from the hangout today.

Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?

#6608

Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?

He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.

#6609

T'was fun when Bunny raised the Apple issue. While Welch was in the room!

#6610

I am not aware of the Apple issue. I do not own a Macphone.

#6611

HoneyWagon wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:The strangest thing about it was that everyone seemed so normal.

Cheers Com - great job in sorting this out.
A bunch of Pitters hung out together and no one got raeped. Why can't all skepticism be like that?

We need to send our code of conduct out to the rest of the community because obviously we've worked out how to get along and they haven't.
There were even several women there...though not all under Steersman's definition

:) Sorry if that's chapped the hides of anyone, although I thought pretty much everyone here was reasonably thick-skinned, but hey! I didn't write the dictionaries! ;-) However, I'm kind of curious what definition you would use as I expect there would be as many definitions as there are people - like Facebook with 56 different genders to select from - if we didn't rely on the primary defining attribute of gametes produced. For instance, Greer's statement that transwomen do not "look like, sound like or behave like women" seems predicated on a stereotype for a woman that not all those who meet the textbook, dictionary, definition for "woman" would qualify under.

In any case, as I don't want to (overly) engage in self-promotion, or to belabour the point, further elaboration can be found here on Nugent's latest. ;-)

#6612

Shatterface wrote:Married or not René Auberjonois always triggered my gaydar.

His reads of the Pendergast novels are fantastic!

I can't read one now w/o hearing his voice as Pendergast.

#6613

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:T'was fun when Bunny raised the Apple issue. While Welch was in the room!

That was me who raised the Apple issue. I'm really kind of conflicted about it myself, so I'm interested in other opinions.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

#6614

Shatterface wrote:
Really? wrote:Let me see if I get this straight. This Hordelet expects "Tourette's" to excuse xir from criticism of someone else on another web site? So why are they mad at Dawkins or anyone else? Sounds like ableism to me.

Tourette's will make you abuse people over the Internet much the same way having a stammer will make you t-t-t-type the s-s-s-same key repeatedly.

I hadn't thought FAGGOT COCKSUCKER of it that way. We need to understand CLITPIERCING MONKEY DICKSUCK that those who have Tourette's have no way of controlling their PZ'S DICK CHEEZ AND CARRIER'S CUM ON A COMMUNION WAFER SWALLOWED BY ROOSH V outbursts while typing things online.

MAKE YOGURT OUT OF ZVAN'S PUSSY YEAST.

#6615

comhcinc wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?
He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.

I thought I detected a disturbance in the Force ....

Maybe I'll try to join a later one - probably two weeks away at the earliest for me if the idea is still going strong - as it sounds like a good time was had by all. Although I'll have to find out what hardware and software is required as I don't have Skype or a camera or even a microphone that I'm sure would work.

#6616

Spike13 wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Married or not René Auberjonois always triggered my gaydar.

His reads of the Pendergast novels are fantastic!

I can't read one now w/o hearing his voice as Pendergast.

His grandfather, who shared his name, was a post-impressionist painter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Au ... _(painter)

#6617

Shatterface wrote:
Really? wrote:Let me see if I get this straight. This Hordelet expects "Tourette's" to excuse xir from criticism of someone else on another web site? So why are they mad at Dawkins or anyone else? Sounds like ableism to me.

Tourette's will make you abuse people over the Internet much the same way having a stammer will make you t-t-t-type the s-s-s-same key repeatedly.

Had a run-in with Brony on Zinia's blog awhile back wherein he made free with gratuitous insults. Which I thought was incredibly self-indulgent - even if he has Tourette's I figured he should have been able to edit those out before hitting "Send".

#6618

Brony is a "he" then. That's progress.

#6619

comhcinc wrote:So let's do it again next Saturday. Should we do it later in the day?

Yeah. Hopefully I can make it next time. I have a wolf head to disguise myself with. :D

#6620

Tourette's is a disorder characterised by semi-involuntary reflexes. No way does that translate into online behaviour.

It would be like typing your coughs or facial tics.

Most people with Tourette's don't have coprolalia, they just twitch or drum their fingers.

#6621

Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

#6622

Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

#6623

HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

Now why you go and do that?

#6624

HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

Not what I imagined. I choose not to believe.

#6625

some guy wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon
Now why you go and do that?

People didn't seem to know the origin of my nick. Seemed perfect for the slymepit

#6626

HoneyWagon wrote:

Hoping for a more Oceania-centric one next time

Bloody Aussies and Kiwis, always whinging about being out of sync with the rest of the world. My heart bleeds for you, with your beautiful beaches and winters where 4C is a cold night.

Fuck you. Fuck you into the ground. (But not too far, otherwise you'll come out up here and start looking for jobs in our pubs.)

#6627

Is the hangout available online?

#6628

Really? wrote:The whole Gateway to Reason thing seems like a hoax conducted by G2R and Emery.

https://www.facebook.com/gatewaytoreason/

We wish to apologize to Emery Emery for our handling of his disinvitation to Gateway To Reason 2016. Our actions were not professional, and we should have contacted him directly to express our concerns before acting unilaterally. We have sent Mr. Emery a private communication expressing this as well. This apology also extends to all Gateway To Reason speakers, our attendees, and to the broader atheist movement.
We wish to use this incident as an opportunity to have a frank and open discussion of the deeper issues implicated here, which are causing conflict both within the atheist community and within society as a whole. Gateway To Reason 2016 will therefore feature a panel discussion addressing these topics. There is room for a range of reasonable opinions on these issues and our conversation will reflect that diversity. We have asked Mr. Emery to participate in this discussion at Gateway To Reason 2016 in addition to his prior scheduled talk, and we hope he will accept our invitation.
This statement and our discussions with Mr. Emery were initiated prior to learning of his recent toe stubbing. All of Gateway To Reason wishes Emery a speedy and full recovery.
The Gateway To Reason Executive Committee...
So I don't know what that means. Is Hordelet Thom going to add a discussion about the conflict PZ is causing in the community? If any of these panels do happen, it's going to be pointless. Like a North Korean political talk show where the only topic is "Dear Leader...he's the best, am I right?"

Hordlet Thom switched to the other side in the Dawkins affair, he was posting on the NECSS facebook page agreeing with those protesting the disinvite. He seems to agree with anyone who will talk to him, kind of like your unfunny uncle at family weddings that nobody wants to end up sat next to.

This stunt is..is...does anyone know what the fuck this is supposed to be? Other than awkward.

#6629

HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.

#6630

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:

Hoping for a more Oceania-centric one next time
Bloody Aussies and Kiwis, always whinging about being out of sync with the rest of the world. My heart bleeds for you, with your beautiful beaches and winters where 4C is a cold night.

Fuck you. Fuck you into the ground. (But not too far, otherwise you'll come out up here and start looking for jobs in our pubs.)

Dude, I live in Hollywood.
I just love hearing the accents ;)

#6631

This person appears upset that publicly available images, posted on a public forum, were reposted on another public forum where publicly posted comments were made about said public image.

:violin:

#6632

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon
Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.

I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle

#6633

HoneyWagon wrote:
Bourne Skeptic wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon
Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.
I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle

And the name fits. ;) :hankey:

#6634

I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

#6635

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:
Bourne Skeptic wrote:
Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.
I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle
And the name fits. ;) :hankey:

Man, you don't even know

#6636

Linked in one of the comments at that Brown Daily Herald article:

"Everything is Problematic" - a reflection after graduation from McGill

__

Re the Brown article: I'd like to hear from some students, at Brown or any other college, who are working to pay or help pay the costs of their education. Have those students also been offered special accommodation by the college administration in recognition of the competing demands on their time and the stress they're under?

#6637

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

You have one chance. Show up early and buy every ticket so it's sold out when your friends get there, and hope there's not a second showing.

#6638

Further to our discussion about harm and harm to people's career when they're online -

Here is a SJW attack in progress on someone whose career is online.

https://twitter.com/redbarradio

The notable differences between this and people telling SJWs they are wrong on the internet (thus affecting their careers, and positively affecting their Patreons), is that a SJW seeks to STOP the person producing content by banning them or deleting their work from where it is held.

If someone was to harm Sarkeesian or any of the others in a valid way, they would physically STOP them from being able to work by stopping their access to these tools.

Again, I see that talking smack on the internet and insulting people is not true harrassment, it's talking smack on the internet. Critics should be critiqued, mocked, etc. Whatever. If things go a step further than YES that's harrassment - but that step is about banning them from the internet through censorship.

My 2c, YMMV

#6639

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is the hangout available online?

Do you have the Expressed Written Permission of the National Football League and the Columbia Broadcast Service?

#6640

Sunder wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.
You have one chance. Show up early and buy every ticket so it's sold out when your friends get there, and hope there's not a second showing.

It makes me so sad. The first was such a good fucking movie.

#6641

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

It might not be bad but you attempt to go see Deadpool instead.

#6642

comhcinc wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?
He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.

You spent half an hour calling everyone niggers?

#6643

ffs wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?
He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.
You spent half an hour calling everyone niggers?

I was dressed in a tutu and I just spunned the entire 3 hours.

#6644

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?

#6645

Skep tickle wrote:Linked in one of the comments at that Brown Daily Herald article:

"Everything is Problematic" - a reflection after graduation from McGill

__

Re the Brown article: I'd like to hear from some students, at Brown or any other college, who are working to pay or help pay the costs of their education. Have those students also been offered special accommodation by the college administration in recognition of the competing demands on their time and the stress they're under?

I do think that students should get class credit and work study funds when they make a swastika in poop on the wall or accuse someone of a three years cold rape to start an important national conversation about race or sexual assault.

#6646

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Aron Ra is a dogmatic, pontificating, out-of-ass blowhard, dipshit. Why he has any street cred at all is beyond me.

#6647

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

Who knows. ASS 2 was much better than ASS.

#6648

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

#6649

OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

#6650

Skep tickle wrote:

Lol'ed.

Aron Ra is punk.

#6651

I used to cut Ra a lot of slack but my impression of him these days is "unprincipled." There's being a diplomat, and then here's being a spineless coward. He wants the little bit of prestige speaking at a real conference run by real activists will provide, but hasn't to my knowledge said word one in defense of the people inviting him while friends and associates have flung their shit. Maybe if I still want to be charitable I can say that now he's out of FTB, it's not quite as hypocritical to accept an invitation from AI as when he was Peez's downstairs neighbor.

#6652

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

#6653

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Alright who's the cunt in the fedora? It's one of you lot isn't it? Own up.

#6654

Skep tickle wrote:
Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Aron Ra is a dishonest cunt. His justification for putting her feminism in dispute was her actions (in his view). I hope he is getting it on the regular and that it is good enough to justify being the opposite of what he thinks he is.

#6655

comhcinc wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

#6656

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

So it's all true, then! Clearly there are almost no women attendees or speakers present, and with threats like a fedora-wearer who can blame them.

#6657

Really? wrote:
Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png
Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?

Because Aron Ra will parrot the top line feminist lines & dogma all day long. But if you corner him in reasonable conversation, he will tend to come out with reasonable positions that acknowledge the grey areas.

#6658

HoneyWagon wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

http://www.dailywrestlingnews.com/wp-co ... phanie.gif

#6659

deLurch wrote:
Really? wrote:
Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png
Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?
Because Aron Ra will parrot the top line feminist lines & dogma all day long. But if you corner him in reasonable conversation, he will tend to come out with reasonable positions that acknowledge the grey areas.

I don't consider that fair, I consider that two faced, just like Trump telling a New York audience that Iowa farmers can suck his dick and when he gets to Iowa, he says that New York libs are pansies who don't know the meaning of hard work.

#6660

A week ago, after Sargon's livestream, I expressed my concern-- that only explicitly-SJW lefties would be held-accountable by pitizens participating, while the SJWs' more-moderate bedfellows (such as ordinary feminists) would get a pass.

Kirbmarc responded, amply defending his comments made during the livestream, but also expanding on those comments: by invoking Paul Elam's infamous essay which argued that, as a juror, Elam would vote against convicting any man accused of raping a woman, regardless of the apparent merits of the case, due to the systemic anti-male bias built-in to the current US legal system in rape cases.

Invoking Elam was an irrelevant side-step, away from the point-in-question: whether moderate feminists and lefties are enablers of their SJW kin. But I willingly took the tangent-bait.

Kirbmarc did not respond to Elam's argument in a point-by-point manner, instead waving a dismissive hand at the entire opinion. Perhaps Kirbmarc felt the burden of defending extraordinary claims fell on Elam. But... Elam DID detail why he took that position. And Kirbmarc did not refute Elam. Instead:

Postby Kirbmarc » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:25 pm • [Post 4775]
....
saying that jury nullification should be used systematically implies... a conspiracy in the entire justice system on the level of the systematic FBI infiltration of the political extremist groups... This is pretty much insane.

....

But the rest is pretty loony.

Kirbmarc's response wasn't entirely name-calling, but the alternatives Kirbmarc proposed-- such as reminding the jury that media could be biased against a man accused of rape-- or defense attorneys taking extra care to tell jurors about unreliable prosecution expert witnesses (assuming a judge would allow the trial to be put-on-trial in that manner) did not address the other anti-male biases which Elam mentioned, such as the application of Rape Shield Laws.

I sought to address Kirbmarc's empty name-calling and show that Elam's position is not so patently-absurd as Kirbmarc contends. My longest post was in reply to welch, but as the person who changed-the-subject to Elam's essay-- in such dismissive terms-- the sceptic's burden is most on Kirbmarc to refute what I wrote. I haven't seen any-such reply.

Service Dog wrote:
Here in nyc, for over a decade, hundreds of thousands of men were stopped & searched by police without reasonable suspicion or probable cause. They were systematically arrested for minor offenses such as carrying marijuana, a pot pipe, or a boxcutter used at work. Any outstanding warrants were also cause for arrest-- at a time when the 'Broken Window Theory' was used to treat infractions such as pubic urination, open container, riding a bicycle on the sidewalk, jumping the subway turnstyle, and literal jaywalking-- as worthy of high fines and jailtime. The Broken Window citations were overwhelmingly directed at males.

Many who are capable of seeing the discrimination inherent in 90% of the "randomly" stopped citizens being non-white-- nonetheless seem incapable of concern that 100% of the citizens were explicitly profiled for being male. The NYPD policy was to only search males, for fear of sexual harassment and assault charges if random women were frisked.

There is an anti-male disparity at every stage of the criminal justice system-- from who gets profiled, who gets searched, who gets a warning vs. a citation, who is arrested on-site, who is released from the precinct vs. 'put through the system' (fingerprinted, photographed, and jailed until put before an arraignment judge), who is released on their own recognizance vs. requiring bail or left waiting in jail without bail. There's a disparity in amount of bail demanded, the conditions in jail, the harshness of sentences, the size of plea bargain offered, whether the convicted person is offered alternatives such as public service hours, or treatment programs, in lieu of imprisonment. There are currently activist efforts to abolish prison altogether... for women. Because any woman convicted of drunk driving or drowning her baby... must be a victim, forced to do such a thing by the patriarchy. Only boys & men are to be held responsible for their own actions.

This discriminatory environment has a compound-interest effect, so that a male & female with identical criminal behaviors appear to be a criminal with a long rap sheet & an innocent citizen, respectively. Long before a man finds himself on trial for rape, he has already been sorted into a guilty category, to be used as evidence against his character at trial.

Or threat of trial: the accused man will inevitably be offered a harsh plea-- perhaps 5 years in prison, if he agrees to spare the state the hassle of proving their case against him, vs. 25-to-life if he takes his chances on justice.

Atop all this comes the gender-specific legislation... of the Duluth Model and the Violence Against Women Act; in which a woman reporting herself a victim is mandated to be assigned a specially-trained advocate social services worker, but a male can be discouraged from filing an official report-- and frequently treated as-if he is the perpetrator. The lists of phone numbers on police documents provide phone numbers for female victim's services-- and programs for male perpetrators. The social workers were trained in institutions which teach Patriarchy Theory and Privilege and 1in4 rape statistics, as scientific fact. Also 'Believe the Women' and 'All Men Are Rapists'. Shelters for male victims don't exist. A male who takes his children away from an abusive woman-- triggers an Amber Alert for abduction.

New York recently passed a 'Rape Is Rape' law, which discarded the former hierarchy of sexual-assault offenses, greater & lesser, in favor of all such charges now being officially deemed forms of Rape.

Also of note are the Rape Shield Laws which sacrifice a defendant's right to face his accuser and gather a robust defense-- in favor of hiding the accusser's identity and relevant sexual history.

The rape hysteria on college campuses is well-documented. Would you object to a student-juror in a college kangaroo court-- who refused to participate in the miscarriage of justice... such as the defendant not being allowed legal counsel, or a 51%/preponderance of evidence standard being applied (as mandated by the Obama Administration, rather than the 98%/beyond a reasonable doubt.

The college campus lunacy is spreading. California and New York have made 'yes means yes' affirmative consent a state law, without a shred of concern that the standard is only applied to whether a female said yes, or had a beer, or 'felt' obligated to have sex. The same Mary Koss who spawned the 1-in-4 rape college rape stat in the 1980s now advises the FBI & CDC that males forced to penetrate females should not be counted as 'rape' victims, but should be categorized in a separate 'other' category. The number of males reporting having been forced to penetrate-- is higher than the number of females reporting being penetrated. No 'rape is rape', if you're male.

I start this discussion knowing that males can't expect equal treatment under the law for littering or sitting on a park bench after dusk, so it's no great leap to extend that to rape charges. I discard much of Paul Elam's essay as irrelevant (rather than incorrect), but his central assertion still stands. I don't know how welch arrived at the notion that a juror must be 100% sure the specific case being tried has been tainted as illegitimate. The appearance of an unfair trial-- REASONABLE DOUBT-- is sufficient. Better 10 guilty men walk free, than one innocent suffer.