The Refuge of the Toads

[welch]

SJWs will crumble when some of them will get older. The core of the SJW support comes from college-age people. Give the current generation five years and they'll realize how the world works.

By then Professor Click will have inculcated a new age cohort.

and they'll make a lot of noise, then realize that level of absolutism is at odds with the kind of cooperation you need to actually do things. Like work. Or not get your ass shot. And then they'll grow out of it and from a :hankey:, you'll get a beautiful :fpig:

[welch]

This "punching up/down" bullshit.

I guess working class people can "punch up" middle class SJWs and FTBullies? Or doesn't it work that way?

#rhetoricalquestion

Traditional economic Marxists say yes, depending on the relationsip of the SJW to the means of production.

Feminist Marxists say it depends on the sexes of the workers and SJWs involved because that is what defines their relationship to the dominant culture.

I wish the two Marxist camps would get together and punch the crap out of each other till up and down was established.

But I kind of think it would not be much of a fight, the coal-miners and steelworkers would probably beat the crap out of the women's gender study instructors and radfem bloggers.

If you're going to really think that punching is bad, then you don't do it in any direction. Because if you buy that intersectionality has any validity, (and when not used by morons, it makes a lot of sense), then you can't know that you're only punching up. That white guy may have a physical disability. That black man may be a billionaire. That gay person may be deeply closeted so no one knows, so on and so forth.

The entire concept is bullshit unless, as SJWs do, you only apply your "critical theories" when they are convenient to your needs and throw them out sans hesitation when they are not.

[Oglebart]

The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Yeah it's odd behaviour. He can't seem to stay still, maybe he's more nervous than he's letting on?

Is it me or does he have really long arms too, proper knuckle draggers.

[d4m10n]

Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

[Ericb]

Strawkins - thanks for the accommodationist info. Where were the wars played out? Did it ever reach the vitriol and character assassination levels of the schism?

Well PZ called Ruse a gobshite and Ruse never stopped going on about it, it was mainly played out on blogs. PZ, Benson, Coyne and Dawkins blogs. I think it all started with the 'Don't be a Dick' post though I can't even remember who wrote it. There was Mooney and Asspig involved as well.

Don't be a dick was Plait trying to tone police atheist and skeptic debate via a speech at TAM 2010.

Surely this can't have been AccomWar's elevatorgate given the players on Team-Accommodation?

Mathew C. Nisbet on Science Blogs was the ground zero of the Framing Wars of 2007.

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science ... e-a-nisbe/

[windy]

The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[.youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Yeah it's odd behaviour. He can't seem to stay still, maybe he's more nervous than he's letting on?

Is it me or does he have really long arms too, proper knuckle draggers.

All the better to pick up women with?

[comhcinc]

2 pm eastern time US Saturday, which I believe translates to 7pm (or 1900, if you prefer) GMT. check a time site because I could be wrong on the GMT.

Ah. 6.00am Sunday morning here.

Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

[comhcinc]

A) Is it a pain in the ass to access and participate? Do I have to set up an account of some kind if I already have a google account?

If you have a google account you are good to go.

Would anyone watching be able to see google names? (And thereby know your email address.)

No one will be watching. This is a private thing.

[free thoughtpolice]

The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Yeah it's odd behaviour. He can't seem to stay still, maybe he's more nervous than he's letting on?

Is it me or does he have really long arms too, proper knuckle draggers.

It looks to me that he has been rehearsing in front of a mirror to project the right image. Part of his routine looks to be based on the kind of stage display that weightlifting competitors use, especially his "do you even lift bro" comment.
Kind of like an awkward bird courting display.
btw, I have really long arms too, so that knuckledragger comment has put you on my "not sure" list.
Not a body shapist are you? :twisted:

[comhcinc]

btw, I have really long arms too, so that knuckledragger comment has put you on my "not sure" list.
Not a body shapist are you? :twisted:

Are they considered arms or front legs? :think:

[Shatterface]

Australian town consumed by hairy panic.

For others who have to look this up after reading the article:

paddock
1. a small field or enclosure where horses are kept or exercised.

Not to be confused with 'pillock'.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pillock

[Brive1987]

Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Is there an expression of interest list? What if I woke up early and from bleary eyes saw this?

http://i.imgur.com/x8OaVmk.jpg

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

[comhcinc]

Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

I did my best. I asked for input and took it and this was the best I could do. I know it's early but I didn't think it was so early as to be a no sale well still being not so late for the people in Europe. I would use it as an excuse for a midday nap

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Your name is on the list and I hope you make it you sexy sounding man.

Is there an expression of interest list?

Just us hanging out getting to hear and see each other.

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

How the fuck should I know? You are the one living in the future. You tell me!

[free thoughtpolice]

btw, I have really long arms too, so that knuckledragger comment has put you on my "not sure" list.
Not a body shapist are you? :twisted:

Are they considered arms or front legs? :think:

I feel sorry for your short limbed special ability and check my spectacular reach around privilege, just so you don't get triggered. :violin:

[comhcinc]

Meh I have thumbs.

[Kristine]

Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Ah, shit! If I had known about this, I would have gone!
Loved most of her first book. Great palate-cleanser after Feminism Unmodified by MacKinnon. (Blarg!)
Sommer's first chapter in WSF?, describing the workshop? It was not all in one event, but I went through that. And instead of a hand puppet, it was everyone cajoled to sing, "I'm a Little Teapot..." more than once.
I see that PZ is flogging his blog, trying to erect more outrage - then he checks his watch and says he's bored, like he's channeling Bree Daniel.

[Brive1987]

I see only boobies.

Please proceed.

[d4m10n]

Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Spoke too soon...

[HunnyBunny]

Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Is there an expression of interest list? What if I woke up early and from bleary eyes saw this?

http://i.imgur.com/x8OaVmk.jpg

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

[youtube]UiQm1onAqTs[/youtube]

[Brive1987]

Mathew C. Nisbet on Science Blogs was the ground zero of the Framing Wars of 2007.

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science ... e-a-nisbe/

Thank you for that.

Haha - PZ weighs in at comment 4 with a spirited defence of Dawkins.

I also see that by early 2008 the tone and thrust has becoe slightly more focussed in light of the much feared "expelled" movie which I recall sank without needing a scientific jihad against it.

Nisbet:

If Dawkins and PZ really care about countering the message of The Expelled camp, they need to play the role of Samantha Power, Geraldine Ferraro and so many other political operatives who through misstatements and polarizing rhetoric have ended up being liabilities to the causes and campaigns that they support. Lay low and let others do the talking.

So Richard and PZ, when it comes to Expelled, it’s time to let other people be the messengers for science. This is not about censoring your ideas and positions, but rather being smart, strategic, tactical, and ultimately effective in promoting science rather than your own personal ideology, books, or blog.

PZ:

Fuck you very much, Matt. You know where you can stick your advice.

[comhcinc]

Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

You name a time and I will talk to you. I can't guarantee anyone else I am cool with anyone here that wants to chat.


Sorry that is the best I can do. :cry:

[free thoughtpolice]

Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Is there an expression of interest list? What if I woke up early and from bleary eyes saw this?

http://i.imgur.com/x8OaVmk.jpg

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

That pic reminds me of...
[youtube]sKP0-f2_eRM[/youtube]

[Nicest of The Damned]

Also according to SJWs a parody of specific person (DawahMan or Big Red) is an "anti-muslim stereotype" or an "anti-feminist stereotype".

Well, I'm not familiar with DawahMan, but if you ask 10 people at random to create an anti-feminist stereotype, at least one will look as much like Big Red as that cartoon.

[Brive1987]

Eight years ago the penny drops. :lol: :lol:

http://i.imgur.com/BefRIEc.jpg

[Skep tickle]

Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Spoke too soon...

#AwfulFem Tweets (TW: Mostly Zvan's)

[comhcinc]

#AwfulFem Tweets (TW: Mostly Zvan's)

awful hashtag.

[Ape+lust]

Peez, trying on his Old, But Down and With It pants:

http://imgur.com/SuXEVPI.png

Resonate? She knows how to resonate?

REBOOT!

http://imgur.com/IXksheg.png

Too important to be a justice. Yessss.

That is how you do right by your Bey. Choke on it, Elyse.

http://imgur.com/pkN4oAP.png

Alright, we get it. Shocking, but not for In the Know Grandpa. Stop it, Peez.

[HunnyBunny]

Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

You name a time and I will talk to you. I can't guarantee anyone else I am cool with anyone here that wants to chat.


Sorry that is the best I can do. :cry:

It's ok, maybe if they get going I can join in over summer when I become timezone & house size privileged.

[comhcinc]

Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

You name a time and I will talk to you. I can't guarantee anyone else I am cool with anyone here that wants to chat.


Sorry that is the best I can do. :cry:

It's ok, maybe if they get going I can join in over summer when I become timezone & house size privileged.

It's very cool that we are all over the world it also sucks when it comes to live contact.

It does prove that the role of a forum like this is not going anywhere anytime soon.

[Skep tickle]

Without peeking at the websites, match the set of ads (sets 1 & 2 below) with the website (A or B) at which it appeared just a few minutes ago.

Answer options:
A) Bokhari's post on Young & Yiannopoulos' talk in Minneapolis (here)
B) Zvan's latest post at her blog (currently still at FTB)

Ad sets, to match 1:1 w/ answer options above:
1)
http://i.imgur.com/kOmTOMXh.png

2)
http://i.imgur.com/xJpdpbch.png


Bonus question: Which set of ads not only does more to objectify women but is also aimed at an anti-skeptical woo-leaning audience?

[Ape+lust]

Without peeking at the websites, match the set of ads (sets 1 & 2 below) with the website (A or B) at which it appeared just a few minutes ago.

Answer options:
A) Bokhari's post on Young & Yiannopoulos' talk in Minneapolis (here)
B) Zvan's latest post at her blog (currently still at FTB)

Ad sets, to match 1:1 w/ answer options above:
1)
http://i.imgur.com/kOmTOMXh.png

2)
http://i.imgur.com/xJpdpbch.png

Bonus question: Which set of ads not only does more to objectify women but is also aimed at an anti-skeptical woo-leaning audience?

I occasionally unblock Javascript at FtB just to see the ads. Plus, I've been watching Brive trying to get a full house this winter :lol:

So, I know who's carrying which ads. Thanks to Skep tickle though, I now know the Peezonauts will more readily debase women for cash than mother-effing-Breitbart. Breitbart!! :shock:

[free thoughtpolice]

Even worse , What's with the awful looking toenail and how is it a sign you will die soon? :shock:

[Guest_0048cc29]

So after all that, and almost certainly broadly influnced by Matz (inventor of ruby)'s guidance

Ruby has a new Code of Conduct. And you can fit it in a page.
ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/

The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline
We have picked the following conduct guideline based on an early draft of the PostgreSQL CoC, for Ruby developers community for safe, productive collaboration. Each Ruby related community (conference etc.) may pick their own Code of Conduct.

This document provides community guidelines for a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute to the Ruby community. It applies to all “collaborative space”, which is defined as community communications channels (such as mailing lists, submitted patches, commit comments, etc.).

Participants will be tolerant of opposing views.
Participants must ensure that their language and actions are free of personal attacks and disparaging personal remarks.
When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions.
Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated.

Not as short as the golden rule of code of conduct but "do unto others..." does allow for people who might claim to love abuse to abuse others.

Of course, ghazis already over it:

reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/468rl7/the_ruby_programming_language_adopts_a_code_of/

Here's a post summarizing some of the problems with this CoC:

github.com/hnrysmth/words/issues/1

A few highlights:

- it explicitly descopes conferences. You can do whatever you like there, the CoC doesn't apply.
- it says nothing about how to handle abuse. Nothing about who to contact, nothing about what process they will follow for resolving the problem, nothing about what actions they may take.
- it expects you to be tolerant of other people's hatred/intolerance. (You have to be tolerant of *viewpoints*. It says nothing about being tolerant of *people*. And in fact, if others are intolerant of you, *you must assume that they have good intentions*):

> if somebody on the Ruby project wants to talk publicly about their hatred for people of your race, gender, or sexuality, then you will be expected to meekly submit to this and continue providing your labour without complaint.

And for reference, the CoC (draft) that it, according to the above link, is based on:

> 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person
who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and
collaborative way.

> 2. The CoC is not about being offended. **The act of being offended is
purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more
interested in being a victim than moving forward.**

> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
appearance, body size or race.

> 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists,
IRC etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation
of the CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee.

> 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your
private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own.

> **6. The CoC is not about Social Justice.**

So... yeah... This CoC is pretty explicit about allowing and condoning destructive behavior, and very little else.

[Ape+lust]

For whatever reason, Peez started weaselling over something he said about Scalia. Soon he was gibbering about the "right" to give Scalia a nasty death, and wishing there was a less lethal death than death.

http://imgur.com/sykAifx.png

Is the pressure of clickbaiting FtB out of its sinkhole driving him to drink? :lol:

http://imgur.com/6oR3YkH.jpg

[jet_lagg]

I just got back from deadpool. I would talk about how much I enjoyed it but I don't want to be accused of enjoying any more Mary Sues.

Fuck off with that low quality bait [emoji14] I already told you I was ceding the final word. And Deadpool was great I agree. It's doing some damage to the mantra r-rated comic movies can't be successful too.

How can it be a great movie with such an obvious Mary Sue? I mean Ryan Reynolds is a producer on the film and had input in writing the story for the movie. He literal made a movie about himself being the coolest thing ever that creates a happy ending for a character even though it's completely again the core story.


:popcorn:

There's no sense in continuing since you explicitly said you don't think Mary Sue is a thing in even in principle (I did mention James Bond, which should have made it clear I think the trope could be made appealing). We could get into the entire concept of meta (hopefully you agree Deadpool is meta) and how that changes the equation, but I'm not sure I'm interested since we don't even agree on bedrock definitions.

[mordacious1]

Even worse , What's with the awful looking toenail and how is it a sign you will die soon? :shock:

Maybe the idea is, that if you can't see your feet and your toenails get that bad, your obesity problem is going to give you a heart attack. "You have really gross toenails". "I do? I haven't seen them in years".

[Ape+lust]

Poor form from the "Queen of Snark" when she stupidly lets trolls get sand into her Peez-bait :D

http://imgur.com/BOLqDX8.png

[jet_lagg]

And I have to say after Benson's last I'm adding her to my list of right cunts that are deserving of nothing less than my full contempt. After complaining so bitterly about Carrier twisting her words to make her appear transphobic, I thought maybe the scales had fallen from her eyes. But no, she's happy to say Dawkins blamed feminists for his stroke, even when he used the most clear language to explain that's not what he was saying. Hypocritical fucking cunt.

[comhcinc]

There's no sense in continuing since you explicitly said you don't think Mary Sue is a thing in even in principle (I did mention James Bond, which should have made it clear I think the trope could be made appealing). We could get into the entire concept of meta (hopefully you agree Deadpool is meta) and how that changes the equation, but I'm not sure I'm interested since we don't even agree on bedrock definitions.

Ah I am just fucking with you but you have to admit that according to how you define a Mary Sue, Deadpool is as Mary Sue as it can get.

I really did enjoy the movie and I really do think the ending doesn't work for the character.

You going to take part in the hangout?

[The Yeti]

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Spoke too soon...

#AwfulFem Tweets (TW: Mostly Zvan's)

I looked at the hashtag, it's pretty much only tweets from the idiots Zvan and "feminace". They are really trying to be witty but failing hard. You would think that all the free time they have from being unemployed would give them ample time to come up with some funny material. Zvan's tweets are so dull and insipid that it is a challenge even to troll her stupid hashtag.

[Ape+lust]

Oh. My. :lol:

http://imgur.com/GBQ7yJY.png

[DaveDodo007]

Peez, trying on his Old, But Down and With It pants:

http://imgur.com/SuXEVPI.png

Resonate? She knows how to resonate?

REBOOT!

http://imgur.com/IXksheg.png

Too important to be a justice. Yessss.

That is how you do right by your Bey. Choke on it, Elyse.

http://imgur.com/pkN4oAP.png

Alright, we get it. Shocking, but not for In the Know Grandpa. Stop it, Peez.

PZ the oldest swinger in town. :lol:

[Skep tickle]

h/t @CathyYoung63 - apparently this conference took place in London today (ok, so yesterday already for you guys in Europe)

Conference title: The New Intolerance on Campus

When speakers are banned on campus today, they are often accused of being intolerant, or bigoted. Whether it’s a far-right firebrand or an Islamist preacher who’s being silenced, the charge that someone is being intolerant – of other religions, of women, of homosexuals – is the go-to justification for No Platforming him or her. But who are the real intolerant ones? Those who wish to air their views – as hateful or batty as they may be – or those who can’t tolerate hearing them?

At this unique, one-off conference – the first of its kind in the UK – spiked is bringing together world-renowned writers, academics and activists to interrogate these questions. With sessions on Safe Spaces, the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, No Platforming and hate speech, we will explore the rise of a new intellectual bigotry on campus, which is producing young minds that would rather censor or boycott their opponents than argue with them.

Sessions included:
"Safe Spaces: education or therapy? "
"No Platform: is hate speech free speech?"

Speakers included (among a bunch of people I didn't recognize) Maryam Namazie. Her opening remarks, titled "Free Speech: It’s not free unless it’s free for everyone", are posted at her FTB blog here: http://archive.is/LGyNA (includes a bunch of thoughtful comments from FTB regulars - ha, made you look)

There are a bunch of tweets about it on the hashtag #newintolerance, & also at https://twitter.com/spikedonline (for now at least, they'll drift down over time).

[rayshul]

Why didn't I get an invite to the meeting?
Yeh basterds

[comhcinc]

Why didn't I get an invite to the meeting?
Yeh basterds

Because the meeting hasn't happened yet. The time works for you right?

[Brive1987]

Why didn't I get an invite to the meeting?
Yeh basterds

Because the meeting hasn't happened yet. The time works for you right?

8.00am fucking luxury. She'll be fine. ;)

[Skep tickle]

So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, & Sweden
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday in Vancouver BC
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

[Brive1987]

Brisbane? Who the hell cares about Brisbane? ;)

[comhcinc]

So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, & Sweden
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday in Vancouver BC
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

If it would work knocked back an hour or two I think everyone would be with that.

[comhcinc]

Fine. People would be fine with that.

Fuck I suck at like just everything.

[Skep tickle]

So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, and France
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday in Vancouver BC
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

:oops:

Undoubtedly left out other people's time zones or locations, too. Extrapolate if need be. :)

[Aneris]

And I have to say after Benson's last I'm adding her to my list of right cunts that are deserving of nothing less than my full contempt. After complaining so bitterly about Carrier twisting her words to make her appear transphobic, I thought maybe the scales had fallen from her eyes. But no, she's happy to say Dawkins blamed feminists for his stroke, even when he used the most clear language to explain that's not what he was saying. Hypocritical fucking cunt.

Ape+Lust has thankfully put up a transcript some pages earlier (also great dancing image, Ape. Shared). What seems to have happened is that Ms Benson went with a bad transcript from Facciani (on Patheos, also leaning towards SJWs). And, haven't read the newer comments yet, has apparently not owned up the mistake that was introduced from the selective quotation. But we know how this works, and the comments already indicated this: they want some conclusion and it's irrelevant how they arrive at that conclusion. Dawkins explanation just forces them to think up some other path, it's how these people seem to operate.

[dog puke]

:twatson: Ape... you magnificent denizen of the slyme - I award you an honourary dogship. :twatson:

[Brive1987]

This was Benson's excuse for completely mischaracterising Dawkin's comment:

On the other hand…I did omit the part about the timing, because Facciani’s transcript didn’t include it. (I think he may have added it later.) I’ll update the post to add a note about that.

Cause you know. You wouldn't actually listen to the primary source if you could access a chinese whispers version. The damn thing ran for all of a couple of mins from memory.

That said - Dawkins made it pretty clear that the overall stress was not helping his chances of avoiding a stroke - it just may not have been the actual specific trigger.

Tricky Dicky.

[rayshul]

I can listen but I'll be on mute, multichildren issues from 8am-8pm everyday.

[Brive1987]

[i.mg][/img]

:twatson: Ape... you magnificent denizen of the slyme - I award you an honourary dogship. :twatson:

:lol: :lol:

[Insert Carrier joke here]

[rayshul]

The stats on gamergate political alliances. Pretty much the same as ours.

Disaffected liberals, all.

[Keating]

Today is the last day for input for the upcoming hang out that is happening on Saturday. So far this is what we have:

Saturday 20th 2pm Eastern Time (US) using google hangouts.

I'm not waking up at 6am on a Sunday for anything.

[HoneyWagon]

So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, & Sweden
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday inVancouver BC Hollywood, California
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

[Brive1987]

Id keep it at the original time. FUD will kill all hope.