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feathers wrote:
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Shatterface wrote: I think the absurdity is the point. How better to demonstrate your SJW credentials than expressing a belief in something so clearly ridiculous?
Hey you might be right. They seem to be getting more and more ridiculous over the years, which may well be a sign they're trying to continually push the envelope. In order for them to stay relevant they have to find ever-more outlandish ways to be outraged.
SJW sceneries often remind me of real-life implementations of Monty Python or Douglas Adams. In the above case, that would be the 4 Yorkshiremen.
"When I was young, people called me a tranny! I was completely triggered by the microagression!"

"You think you had it bad? When I was young people would not use my preferred personal pronouns! It was hell!"

"You all had it easy... Why, when I was young people would disagree with me on the internet! I had no spoons at all!"

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Reason and logic are like a computer program: they work on the data you give them to work with. Garbage in, garbage out.

I think that many in the atheist/skeptic community underestimate the religious, the conspiracy theorists and the woo-peddlers. Many, if not most, of them are far from being stupid or irrational. Theology is actually a sophisticated, complex, fascinating subject. Apologetics can be written very well, and in a very persuasive way. Some conspiracy theories look plausible at first glance. And some woo-peddlers (not all of them, of course) can actually justify their woo of choice with some sophisticated reasoning.
I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them. One of the interesting things about them is how unsophisticated they actually are... they just have to be a little more sophisticated than the audience and/or the people trying to expose them.

As far as I can see, in the majority of real conspiracies, you have at least two core groups with a strong vested interest who put out disinformation or suppress information (they might have very different motives, but choose similar narratives), and a bunch of peripheral groups who may or may not have an interest to some degree but buy into the narrative and run with it... for example, different sections of the media might run with a story because it's a good headline, others might be strong-armed into going along with it or at least keeping quiet.

The interesting thing for me about the real conspiracies is that many of the normal skeptical objections actually fail. It is often said, 'the government can't keep anything secret, this information would get out'. The reality is that often the 'truth' is common knowledge, an open secret, but nobody is listening to what they have to say. To give #Gamergate as an example many people will be familiar with, there were tens of thousands of people on twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Twitch, etc, who knew they were pissed off about ethics in gaming journalism, and yet the whole MSM throughout the western world was reporting that is was about misogyny and online harassment.

I had an interesting thought a while ago, concerning hiding in plain sight. If i was working for the government and had a secret to keep, what I would do is leak the secret to the conspiracy nuts with a sprinkling of UFOs and lizard people thrown in. Once David Ike is exposing your secrets, it is more or less guaranteed that nobody will take it seriously.

However, there are loonies on both sides.
If we look at conspiracy theorists, another group which is based on faith in some dogmas (like the existence of the conspiracy) but likes to portray itself as "true skepticism", we find many behaviors that look like the bizarre, irrational and angry behavior of the SJWs.
Yesterday, i read a thread with about 300 comments where a "skeptic" was arguing with two conspiracy nuts. Unfortunately just about everything the skeptic argued was bullshit. He had obviously done his research, he was quoting names and dates, and yet all of it was wrong. Obviously when you get loonies on both sides who are emotionally invested, the whole subject becomes a farce and people just walk away... as i did.

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Brive1987 wrote:"I want to personally apologize to every reader who was hurt by the Sausage Party review. I failed you as a senior editor of this website and I failed you as an ally. I am wholly sorry for the pain and anger I caused you. I offer you no justification. I was blinded by my own whiteness existing inside a system of white supremacy. I must do better. I will do better. "

This quote made my day. I think she should simply jump.
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Secular Women Work II

Definitely not a thing.

I note the bastards never did put their sessions up on YouTube despite falling over the 13K line.

Another sterling piece of work by SZvan.


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Gumby wrote:Thanks for the informative and thoughtful reply Kirbmarc. I think you should write the definitive "sane person's guide to understanding the regressive left". :)

This is actually a really good idea.

imagine how triggered people would become upon reading it.

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VickyCaramel wrote:The interesting thing for me about the real conspiracies is that many of the normal skeptical objections actually fail. It is often said, 'the government can't keep anything secret, this information would get out'. The reality is that often the 'truth' is common knowledge, an open secret, but nobody is listening to what they have to say. To give #Gamergate as an example many people will be familiar with, there were tens of thousands of people on twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Twitch, etc, who knew they were pissed off about ethics in gaming journalism, and yet the whole MSM throughout the western world was reporting that is was about misogyny and online harassment.
I wouldn't call the whole of#GamerGate a "conspiracy theory", though. There have been many conspiracy theorists and loonies inside #GameGate (like the countless conspiracy about Anita Sarkeesian), but the whole thing boiled down to "there is some cronyism between game sites, professional reviewers and some game producers, and some of this cronyism is due to ideology". Hardly a "conspiracy" to uncover. As you say this is an open secret, common knowledge, and pretty plausible considering human psychology and the nature of media.

The reasons why most of the media reported it was all about misogyny is because a) the media have a pro-media bias, and #GamerGate was a criticism of media b)media people are lazy and follow the dominant narrative c) old, inaccurate media stereotypes (like the idea that "gamers" are angry virgin white males) have been successfully exploited by the SJWs and d)few people in the media really care that much about video games.
Yesterday, i read a thread with about 300 comments where a "skeptic" was arguing with two conspiracy nuts. Unfortunately just about everything the skeptic argued was bullshit. He had obviously done his research, he was quoting names and dates, and yet all of it was wrong. Obviously when you get loonies on both sides who are emotionally invested, the whole subject becomes a farce and people just walk away... as i did.
Now I'm curious. What was the thread about, and why was the "skeptic" wrong?

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DrokkIt wrote:
Gumby wrote:Thanks for the informative and thoughtful reply Kirbmarc. I think you should write the definitive "sane person's guide to understanding the regressive left". :)

This is actually a really good idea.

imagine how triggered people would become upon reading it.
"A Skeptic's guide to the Social Justice Warriors", maybe? Patreon, here I come...hopefully it'd take less time than Heina Dadhaboy's "A Skeptic's guide to Islam".

More seriously I think that someone much more qualified than me should write some philosophical criticism of postmodernism, radical feminism or of critical race theory in a language which is accessible and not overly technical. James Lindsay of "God Doesn't, We Do" could do an excellent job.

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Gumby wrote: I see rational push back quite often in Guardian comment sections. Which tells me the Guardian is engaging in a lot of clickbaiting, because it's not as if they're actually reading and learning from logical refutations to the silliness of so many of their articles.
Yeah, if you read the comments on certain hot button topics, you might think that the Guardian readership was mostly people with right-wing/libertarian persuasions. In my observation, conservatives do seem to be more active online commenters on big media web sites but I don't think that's the whole story. I think a lot of traditional liberals in the US and the UK are getting fucked off by the divisive hijacking of issues that they otherwise support, and they're blowing off steam in the comments. I imagine the Guardian are probably quite concerned about this, if only because it's not translating into online subscriptions.

I'm also getting the impression that more and more comments are being deleted by their community managers. I had my first comment go down the memory hole just the other day, when I responded to a Lindy West follow-up article on why male journalists shouldn't sexualize female Olympians. I pointed out that Lindy is a contributing editor on GQ magazine and that GQ has written plenty of articles drooling over the attributes of female athletes.

In my response I said it came across as hypocritical and, as I was writing it, I suspected it wouldn't survive in the wild for long. It likely put me in violation of the Guardian community standard against "attacking the individual rather than the argument or the position", despite the fact that Lindy's piece went beyond taking an ethical position by chastising other journalists for not measuring up.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ...
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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote:I notice that Springsteen can actually pronounce "deuce" and not make it sound like "douche."
I still think douche when I hear Brucey. I guess I hate New Jersey. :drool:
Moving to Joisey years ago, my running joke with my wife was that we couldnt let anyone know that I dont like either Bruce or Bon Jovi, for fear that they wouldnt let us close.

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piginthecity wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ...
Did you ever believe when you joined the slymepit that someday we would be discussing consent between a lesbian taco and a hot dog bun?
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This is why Shia Islam is a better organised faith than SJWism.

You ask the Ayatollah for a fatwa about lesbian tacos and he humbly and sincerely researches the topic according to Koranic faith (i.e. Says the first thing that comes in to his head) and then the matter is settled and all the lesser sheep stop worrying and just accept it.

In SJWism any idiot can raise a topic then everyone else has to chime in until the emotions generating from the resulting cacophony seem to be aligning in one rough direction. It's very inefficient.
Dunno. The process seems to work for Judaism.

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Cnutella wrote:
Gumby wrote: I see rational push back quite often in Guardian comment sections. Which tells me the Guardian is engaging in a lot of clickbaiting, because it's not as if they're actually reading and learning from logical refutations to the silliness of so many of their articles.
Yeah, if you read the comments on certain hot button topics, you might think that the Guardian readership was mostly people with right-wing/libertarian persuasions. In my observation, conservatives do seem to be more active online commenters on big media web sites but I don't think that's the whole story. I think a lot of traditional liberals in the US and the UK are getting fucked off by the divisive hijacking of issues that they otherwise support, and they're blowing off steam in the comments. I imagine the Guardian are probably quite concerned about this, if only because it's not translating into online subscriptions.
I think that the SJWs are rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. If the Left continues to support authoritarian radfems, people who deny that Islam needs to adapt to liberal democracy, or divisive calls for censorship, violence and "revolution" then right-wing parties will triumph in the next elections pretty much everywhere (except probably the US, where Clinton is more likely to win).

The best allies of the Tory in the UK are people like Lindy West or Laurie Penny, who alienate anyone who doesn't agree 100% with them. In general I think that the poor handling of the refugee crisis and the problems with Islam, along with the general SJW/Regressive Left tomfoolery, will lead to the eventual victory of a conservative alliance in the UK, of the Front Nationale in France and of right-wing parties in Italy, Sweden, Germany, Austria, etc.

The Left has to ditch the Regressives and the SJWs if they want a decent chance to win any election anytime soon. Except in the US where identity politics are actually likely to pay off in electoral terms.

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Ape+lust wrote:
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Apparently, Muslim women in the 7th Century could be nuclear physicists:
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Medieval Islamic science was more advanced than I thought.

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Kirbmarc wrote: ...
The Left has to ditch the Regressives and the SJWs if they want a decent chance to win any election anytime soon.
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The Left will not do anything unless they perceive it to be in their best interests. (Just like the Right).

I think it would be interesting to get a breakdown of the Left into:
- Genuine Regressives - ie the True Believers
- Allies - that are prepared to go along with the Regressives, or at least stand back and say nothing
- Old School Leftists- who could hold any position, but allow room for anyone to argue the point.

If the Regessives and their Allies could be shown to a small enough minority, and that their effect is to drive the electorate rightwards at an increasing rate - then I think the problem could sort itself out.

Does anyone know any right-leaning or centralist social scientist that might be interested in doing such a study?

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Gumby wrote:Thanks for the informative and thoughtful reply Kirbmarc. I think you should write the definitive "sane person's guide to understanding the regressive left". :)
I did make a start on a project of this nature a little while ago, more as a sort of feasibility study to see what it might look like it, and I didn't get very far.

If you try to take down the theoretical basis of the SJL you just get tied up in word salads of your own. The lack of coherence means that there's not much to say. If the reader can't see the nonsense for what it is themselves what could you say ?

If you try to summarise all the internet ridiculum surrounding the league, then how do you begin to select or order any of it ? All you can do is to reproduce posts from non-entities on the Internet, and your reader is going to struggle to make any sense of narrative to it. They'll just wonder why you are directing attention towards this particular flavour of nonsense as opposed to all the others.

What makes it all compelling for us is that it all happens in real time. One crazy antic followed by another all tied up in a big bow of cluster fuck and, while in some ways the SJW's are the most predictable of creatures, we can just never guess from which direction the next re-assembly of the dogma will come from and exactly what form the next wackaloon danse macabre of tortured logic and heightened adolescent emotion will take.

With the immediacy gone, and the connection with the lovable cast of crazy characters severed, none of this could.be captured by cold and static text.


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Kirbmarc wrote: The best allies of the Tory in the UK are people like Lindy West or Laurie Penny, who alienate anyone who doesn't agree 100% with them. In general I think that the poor handling of the refugee crisis and the problems with Islam, along with the general SJW/Regressive Left tomfoolery, will lead to the eventual victory of a conservative alliance in the UK, of the Front Nationale in France and of right-wing parties in Italy, Sweden, Germany, Austria, etc.

The Left has to ditch the Regressives and the SJWs if they want a decent chance to win any election anytime soon. Except in the US where identity politics are actually likely to pay off in electoral terms.
Even if they do ditch the regressives, it's too late for the Labour Party in the UK I think. The party consists of two factions who hate each other: a nondescript figurehead leading a bunch of hard-left populist thugs, and a bunch of unprincipled backstabbing technocrats. They couldn't even unite tactically after the Brexit vote to put the Tories under any kind of pressure, preferring to form a circular firing squad instead, so Teresa May was able to form her new cabinet, and even make Boris Johnson foreign secretary, without any opposition scrutiny. Teresa May, as far as I can tell, is considerably more right-wing than David Cameron, and she's got a free hand.

Meanwhile, the warring tribes of Labour are currently in the courts fighting over who should and shouldn't be allowed to vote in the upcoming leadership election. Whoever wins it, there'll be more chaos and infighting. I would be very surprised if Labour aren't virtually wiped out at the next election.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ...
Did you ever believe when you joined the slymepit that someday we would be discussing consent between a lesbian taco and a hot dog bun?
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I hope so :D

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Suet Cardigan wrote:Apparently, Muslim women in the 7th Century could be nuclear physicists:
WomenIslam.jpg
Medieval Islamic science was more advanced than I thought.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That line is incredibly amusing, but the rest is also a complete crock of shit. Women under Islam never had the right to work outside of their homes. They could work at home just like women in the West worked at home and kept their income. Moreover women under Islam never had complete control of the wealth they brought into a family. They had joint control with their male relatives in the family of origin (fathers, brothers).

The biggest difference between the Muslim system and the Christian system is that under the Muslim system husbands never acquired full control of their wives' wealth, not because women had such control, but because dowries were considered investments in a co-owned business between two families, not donations from one family to the other. This wasn't due to "women's rights" concerns, but due to different interpretations of property and family law. In Islam in general a marriage was similar to a full-time investment of one family with another, while in Christian countries it was closer to one-time contract between two families. Islam, on the other hand, made it easier for family to rescind the investment, while Christianity made it more binding.

This makes sense since if you make a long-term investment you probably want to keep the right to get out of it if things get bad, while if a marriage is a one-time pact it's easy for you to bail out without rescinding the actual pact. Keep in mind that marriage was seen in both cases as a pact between families, not as a contract between two (or more) individuals. The flier also deliberately confuses property laws that applied mostly to the upper and middle class, and where much more recent in their precise formulation than the 7th century Muslim laws, with "the Western system" at large. In the Middle Ages and until the 15-16th century women worked in and often owned breweries.

Ironically it was the rise of Puritanism which reduced the income of women, due to reducing the spaces where they could work outside of the homes. Working-class women were expected to work in fields and farms, so they could earn extra money by working at "home" (for example by selling feathers to wandering feather merchants). Middle and upper classes women were more limited in their sources of income, both in "the West" and "under Islam".

The history of women's rights is much more complicated than feminist propaganda, and definitely much more complicated than Muslim propaganda.

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Really? wrote:Almost as dumb as the Salma Hayek racist taco:

Here we go again. Confessed rapist by SJW standards Amy Schumer has disowned and disavowed a writer/comedian who worked for her because he made such inflammatory comments as you should go to the police if you are raped. Instead of calling an "SJW lynch mob," call the cops.

Amy is so saddened and disappointed by his Facebook comments that were made in response to a comedian being accused in anonymous kangaroo comedian court.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/ ... e-comments

Don't forget. Amy Schumer raped a drunk man. Amy Schumer is a rapist. Is she so outspoken about the Metzker comments because she knows people might remember she is a rapist. A rapist. A person who commited rape.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-are- ... pe-a-rape/
I keep confusing Amy Schumer with Lena Dunham. Can't quite put my finger on why!

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'scuses if linked before, but:
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MarcusAu wrote: If the Regessives and their Allies could be shown to a small enough minority,
That's the worry though, "regressivism" is really the confluence of ideologies that grew out of the Left from Gramsci and the Frankfurt school, through the New Left and parallel developments in "continental" philosophy (Postmodernism, deconstruction, Lacanian ideas, etc.), and especially through the 90s with the development of ideas like intersectionality; and these ideas, memes, etc., have been the bread-and-butter of the academy since then. We've got several generations of people whose education in the humanities has been grounded in philosophical relativism or nihilism. (The imbalance between Right and Left in the academy that people like Jonathan Haidt have been talking about is part of this too - it's been a negative feedback loop that's driven the humanities - the social sciences, psychology, philosophy, etc. - further and further to the Left in this sense.)

People here are sceptics because they respect the evidence of the senses and logic; and there's still a good deal of that in the hard sciences. But in terms of academic humanism, there's been such a long, sustained attack on the validity of reason at a deep level in philosophy for so many years now, that it's just seen as a tool of power, plain and simple, and the thinking is just to use it as a tool of power for the utopian goal that's just there on the horizon ...

Now of course many of the youngsters who've been "educated" in this sense won't necessarily hold to such ideas explicitly, and that sort of nonsense is likely to be knocked out of them as soon as they have to get a job in the real world and deal with real people and real things.

But the influence is going to be there, from ideas that were "set" in their minds at an impressionable university age. So I think that while the true regressives who know what they're about are a small minority, their ideas are pervasive enough to do serious damage int he long run (somewhat like the way that when society was officially religious, everyone had to cast their thoughts in terms acceptable to the religion, even if in their heart of hearts they might be sceptical themselves).

IOW, the problem isn't the sheer number of explicit regressives and ideologues per se, the problem is that when the leading ideas in society have taken on their quasi-religious cast, You have to Say The Right Words in order to get on in life. I think the tipping point for it has been reached already and we're now stuck in a sort of "path dependency" (or evolutionary trough in the notional equivalent of the fitness landscape here) that it's going to be hard to get out of.

The time when it could have been nipped in the bud was the 90s, but it's too late now.

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Kirbmarc wrote:Working-class women were expected to work in fields and farms, so they could earn extra money by working at "home" (for example by selling feathers to wandering feather merchants).
Whoa whoa whoa I think not

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comhcinc wrote:
I'm glad someone else remembered this show. I was going to post this as well. Just copy the whole URL now.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
DrokkIt wrote:
Gumby wrote:Thanks for the informative and thoughtful reply Kirbmarc. I think you should write the definitive "sane person's guide to understanding the regressive left". :)

This is actually a really good idea.

imagine how triggered people would become upon reading it.
"A Skeptic's guide to the Social Justice Warriors", maybe? Patreon, here I come...hopefully it'd take less time than Heina Dadhaboy's "A Skeptic's guide to Islam".

More seriously I think that someone much more qualified than me should write some philosophical criticism of postmodernism, radical feminism or of critical race theory in a language which is accessible and not overly technical. James Lindsay of "God Doesn't, We Do" could do an excellent job.
That would also be a good thing, but I was thinking more just a decent resource for people who feel the stuff they are being told isn't right somehow, but don't have the wherewithal to defend themselves.

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Oh, goody. Time magazine weighs in on the troll-ridden interwebz.

http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

"Trolls are turning social media and comment boards into a giant locker room in a teen movie, with towel-snapping racial epithets and misogyny."

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So, I went with friends last week to the county fair. The Republican Party booth had a cardboard cut-out Trump you could stand next to & get your photo taken. My friend bought a cheese grater at the fair. No one was willing to take a photo of me next to Trump working the cheese grater!

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After nearly fourteen years of operation, Gawker.com will be shutting down next week. The decision to close Gawker comes days after Univision successfully bid $135 million for Gawker Media’s six other websites, and four months after the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel revealed his clandestine legal campaign against the company.
#sorrynotsorry

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gurugeorge wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: If the Regessives and their Allies could be shown to a small enough minority,
That's the worry though, "regressivism" is really the confluence of ideologies that grew out of the Left from Gramsci and the Frankfurt school, through the New Left and parallel developments in "continental" philosophy (Postmodernism, deconstruction, Lacanian ideas, etc.), and especially through the 90s with the development of ideas like intersectionality; and these ideas, memes, etc., have been the bread-and-butter of the academy since then. We've got several generations of people whose education in the humanities has been grounded in philosophical relativism or nihilism. (The imbalance between Right and Left in the academy that people like Jonathan Haidt have been talking about is part of this too - it's been a negative feedback loop that's driven the humanities - the social sciences, psychology, philosophy, etc. - further and further to the Left in this sense.)

People here are sceptics because they respect the evidence of the senses and logic; and there's still a good deal of that in the hard sciences. But in terms of academic humanism, there's been such a long, sustained attack on the validity of reason at a deep level in philosophy for so many years now, that it's just seen as a tool of power, plain and simple, and the thinking is just to use it as a tool of power for the utopian goal that's just there on the horizon ...

Now of course many of the youngsters who've been "educated" in this sense won't necessarily hold to such ideas explicitly, and that sort of nonsense is likely to be knocked out of them as soon as they have to get a job in the real world and deal with real people and real things.

But the influence is going to be there, from ideas that were "set" in their minds at an impressionable university age. So I think that while the true regressives who know what they're about are a small minority, their ideas are pervasive enough to do serious damage int he long run (somewhat like the way that when society was officially religious, everyone had to cast their thoughts in terms acceptable to the religion, even if in their heart of hearts they might be sceptical themselves).

IOW, the problem isn't the sheer number of explicit regressives and ideologues per se, the problem is that when the leading ideas in society have taken on their quasi-religious cast, You have to Say The Right Words in order to get on in life. I think the tipping point for it has been reached already and we're now stuck in a sort of "path dependency" (or evolutionary trough in the notional equivalent of the fitness landscape here) that it's going to be hard to get out of.

The time when it could have been nipped in the bud was the 90s, but it's too late now.
In my humble opinion this might be all true in the humanities, but society at large is drifting more and more towards the Right as a reaction to SJW extremism. And talking more specifically about Islam I think that we're probably the last generation which still has a decent chance of integrating Muslims who live in the "West" within a liberal democratic social landscape relatively peacefully. If we don't, if we allow the Salafi preaching and Muslim supremacy to spread with no real challenge, the next generation won't have to deal just with terrorism, but with either the fall of liberal democracy in favor of anti-Muslim authoritarianism or with full-scale civil wars.

Demography shows that Muslims are outbreeding "Westerners". We either nip Muslim supremacy in the bud now and destroy its appeal to the younger generations or we'll have to fight a World War with a Muslim supremacist coalition soon enough, and that will mean civil wars in all Western Europe and the rise of authoritarian far-right parties that will make the Front Nationale look like extreme leftists.

Eventually, in twenty or thirty years, this could even lead to a nuclear war between a nuclear Western power and a Muslim supremacist nuclear power...which is an extreme idea but it's not completely out of the question when you think about what's happening right now in Pakistan.

Imagine ISIS with nukes vs. a neo-fascist France or UK. Yeah. Far fetched? Probably. Impossible? Not quite, if the rise of Muslim supremacy won't stop and the issues with integration won't be resolved.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:So, I went with friends last week to the county fair. The Republican Party booth had a cardboard cut-out Trump you could stand next to & get your photo taken. My friend bought a cheese grater at the fair. No one was willing to take a photo of me next to Trump working the cheese grater!
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Wow. I swear I double-checked before hitting Submit. I'm an idiot.

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Kirbmarc wrote:In my humble opinion this might be all true in the humanities, but society at large is drifting more and more towards the Right as a reaction to SJW extremism.
It's been going on for much longer than that, in my experience. Recall that Richard Nixon floated the idea of a national health service in the US. Freaky, eh?

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Kirbmarc wrote:
The history of women's rights is much more complicated than feminist propaganda, and definitely much more complicated than Muslim propaganda.
A common muslim meme is how women's lot in life was improved under islam.
They don't mention that the nobody Muhammad got his first break in life by marrying a wealthy woman that owned her own business. Women at the time weren't forced to cover themselves.
Fast forward a few years, Muhammad is apparently broke, apparently mismanaging the business his wife endowed on him and reverts to raiding caravans and taking slaves and hostages.
Mo was obviously the first male feminist!

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feathers wrote:'scuses if linked before, but:
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5-year-old transgender? :(
Mommy gets attention! Oh, how mommy loves attention, and from such a topical issue as well! What are the odds?

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
feathers wrote:'scuses if linked before, but:
https://gma.yahoo.com/mother-5-old-tran ... ories.html

5-year-old transgender? :(
Mommy gets attention! Oh, how mommy loves attention, and from such a topical issue as well! What are the odds?
Transkids are this year's Munchausen by proxy.

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Very cogent. Jenny shows how feminists embrace education and antifeminists don't. Check out her math skills.

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VickyCaramel wrote:I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them.
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person


But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.

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A little off topic for the pit, but these are some good guys and this could really change the way people abuse the DMCA system.

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comhcinc wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them.
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person

But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.
One of the most hilarious things about conspiracy loons is, that they see a conspiracy on just about any street corner, yet completely fail to detect real conspiracies. I don't think there's anything on Wikileaks they actually predicted.

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comhcinc wrote:This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true
That's just what THEY want you to think.

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feathers wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them.
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person

But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.
One of the most hilarious things about conspiracy loons is, that they see a conspiracy on just about any street corner, yet completely fail to detect real conspiracies. I don't think there's anything on Wikileaks they actually predicted.
Yeah real conspiracies tend to be boring and are kinda uninteresting.

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Kirbmarc wrote: In my humble opinion this might be all true in the humanities, but society at large is drifting more and more towards the Right as a reaction to SJW extremism.
Oh yeah, that's definitely a thing, but I doubt it will get to the stage of full-blown Fascism. Whoever listens to the reasonable concerns of the plebs will cool the temperature down - whether it's Right-wing parties, or Left-wing parties that decide to listen to their old core constituencies for a change.

National feeling, patriotic feeling, aren't yet Fascism, that requires an element of collectivism (subordination of the individual to the State and an ethic of self-sacrifice) that I don't see being acceptable to most people today, even the plebs.

I dunno, sometimes when I'm in a despairing mood from all the nonsense, all this stuff we talk about here portends the Great Filter, but for some reason at the moment I'm optimistic. There are lots and lots of things like the Pit dotted around, there's a counter-movement to SJW-ism, ex-Muslims are speaking out and reaching out on the internet, there's still strong feeling for Enlightenment values amongst many people, and so long as speech is free, and so long as reasonable people of any political or religious persuasion remain more or less in charge most of the time, we'll be ok.

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Shatterface wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
feathers wrote:'scuses if linked before, but:
https://gma.yahoo.com/mother-5-old-tran ... ories.html

5-year-old transgender? :(
Mommy gets attention! Oh, how mommy loves attention, and from such a topical issue as well! What are the odds?
Transkids are this year's Munchausen by proxy.
Most of the comments are actually reasonable. I don't think the news media is staying in touch with their readership.

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Shatterface wrote:
comhcinc wrote:This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true
That's just what THEY want you to think.

I notice you cut off my post.

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We are on to you.

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Enjoy, Little Paul. A better man than you will ever be.

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comhcinc wrote:
sp0tlight wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Yes you did fuck up by not being borned an American. You should ever feel ashamed of that fact.
At least I can be wrong in more than one language!
As an American, I am born with the ability to speak, American. English, Bad English, and Kick Ass.

;)
And chew bubble gum.... Don't forget that!

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Spike13 wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
sp0tlight wrote: At least I can be wrong in more than one language!
As an American, I am born with the ability to speak, American. English, Bad English, and Kick Ass.

;)
And chew bubble gum.... Don't forget that!
I'm all out of bubblegum.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote:I notice that Springsteen can actually pronounce "deuce" and not make it sound like "douche."
I still think douche when I hear Brucey. I guess I hate New Jersey. :drool:
Springsteen is not the official ambassador of NJ. He just happens to live here.

Born, raised and still currently live here... I hate Brucey too. I hear from people who supposedly met him that he's a really nice guy. Just can't stand his music.

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comhcinc wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Oh, Meyers.

You are such a cunt.

Truly, I want to see Meyers creeping down the stairs at 3 in the morning, and be confronted by a cunt with a knife. Meyers not injured, but the burglar dies (as I wish upon them all) while driving away. Meyers, not knowing whether the guy is still in his house or not, phones the police...

"I'm sorry, Sir, but records indicate you are a pudgy little shitstain who doesn't like us. You apparently believe that we should decide which laws we enforce and which we don't. In this case, we have decided that we don't give a monkey's left ball about you or your property. Our advice is that you lock yourself in a windowless room with a gun, and block the underside of the door with whatever materials are at hand. This will stop your brain and blood leaking out and spoiling the surface of nearby floors when you do the right thing."

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Let's make Meyer Great Again.

What he should have wrote was that while he of course supported the people's right to peaceful protest, pointing out this is how it's done BLM, they are being kinda wrong headed. Pipelines are the safest way to transport oil.

Someone should also point out that cops don't get to choose " what side" they stand on. They are assigned to go and keep the peace. Keeping the peace, that's always the right side.

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"Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

After nearly fourteen years of operation, Gawker.com will be shutting down next week. The decision to close Gawker comes days after Univision successfully bid $135 million for Gawker Media’s six other websites, and four months after the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel revealed his clandestine legal campaign against the company."

http://gawker.com/gawker-com-to-end-ope ... 1785455712

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Spike13 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote:I notice that Springsteen can actually pronounce "deuce" and not make it sound like "douche."
I still think douche when I hear Brucey. I guess I hate New Jersey. :drool:
Springsteen is not the official ambassador of NJ. He just happens to live here.

Born, raised and still currently live here... I hate Brucey too. I hear from people who supposedly met him that he's a really nice guy. Just can't stand his music.
Best thing about New Jersey: John Pussy Mellencamp isn't from there. :puke-front:

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Did you ever believe when you joined the slymepit that someday we would be discussing consent between a lesbian taco and a hot dog bun?
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That is.... really creepy...

More creepy than Rebecca Watson becoming a 'recommended channel' in my YouTube channel feed this afternoon... Which I thought was so creepy that I had come here because I triggered.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
feathers wrote:'scuses if linked before, but:
https://gma.yahoo.com/mother-5-old-tran ... ories.html

5-year-old transgender? :(
Mommy gets attention! Oh, how mommy loves attention, and from such a topical issue as well! What are the odds?
No mention of a daddy to serve as a role model for the amab rugrat. Three older brothers, though, for amab #4 to maybe wanna distinguish xemselves from?

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Best thing about New Jersey -- if you're driving East-West, it's over soon.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Spike13 wrote:
Springsteen is not the official ambassador of NJ. He just happens to live here.

Born, raised and still currently live here... I hate Brucey too. I hear from people who supposedly met him that he's a really nice guy. Just can't stand his music.
Best thing about New Jersey: John Pussy Mellencamp isn't from there. :puke-front:

I would rank that just below Taylor ham.....but yeah glad he's not from here.

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Bourne Skeptic wrote:"Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

After nearly fourteen years of operation, Gawker.com will be shutting down next week. The decision to close Gawker comes days after Univision successfully bid $135 million for Gawker Media’s six other websites, and four months after the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel revealed his clandestine legal campaign against the company."

http://gawker.com/gawker-com-to-end-ope ... 1785455712

:lol:
Farewell to just about the worst of the Internet.(legit sites that is)

Celeb stalking, sewer dwelling, good riddance.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Best thing about New Jersey -- if you're driving East-West, it's over soon.
Vineland NJ has the oldest continuous running rodeo in the nation. Figure a horse fancier like yourself would like that.( not to mention Monmouth Park, one of the nicest race tracks around.

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Just me and 5 guests... This place is a mess... Hold on, I'll get some coffee on. Sit make yourselves at home.... And h jeez, commie left his Chyna pron laying around again....

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