Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

[jet_lagg]

Am I reading too much into this ... forcing him to have said something that he did not explicitly say ... or do you agree that saying it was "chance" implies that Carrier did not tell Sheffield Phoenix to whom he had already sent a draft of his book?

I agree. It clearly implies he didn't tell Sheffield Phoenix who had already seen the manuscript. Otherwise, sending it to the same professor would not be "by chance".

I don't understand why he concluded with "(as I discovered later)". It's already stated that he realized this coincidence on checking his records, so the saying it was "discovered later" is redundant.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Totally gay underdogs in speedos, but yeah.

[Cnutella]

Gentlemen (and gentle ladies), we've hit peak male feminist:

[youtube]iqkSrrWmp8c[/youtube]

At timestamp 1:35.

That was great. Although the dude is hardly your typical doughy male feminist, he was hilarious. Gotta love someone who first attempts to dox you, then threatens to beat the crap out of you while shadow boxing with horrible form, and then pleas for you to edit out his face from the video, then making another round of threats if you don't take down your antifeminist videos. He has set a high bar.

[Guestus Aurelius]

No one could call him a liar. And this was mainly because the lie was in his head, and any truth coming from his mouth carried the color of the lie.

[Guestus Aurelius]

(re Carrier)

[Scented Nectar]

Somali are the worst white men.

Most of those crackers are so racist, they walk around in black-face!

[Billie from Ockham]

And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Totally gay underdogs in speedos, but yeah.

I've heard that a lot of something called "CGI" was used and it's related to the difference between this:

http://cdn28.us1.fansshare.com/photogra ... 508399.jpg

and this:

http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/acto ... wenham.jpg

Given what you've just written, I infer that the C and the G are "completely gay"; so what's the I stand for?

[Billie from Ockham]

Somali are the worst white men.

Agreed.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vil ... 0226192305

[Scented Nectar]

I think Laurie Penny is right! It's about time we white cis het males started to regard rape as a crime and put serious penalties on it including prison time!
We must live in a rape culture when even progressive feminist types want to apologize for organized rape gangs operating in public because they are afraid it may make them look like a bigot.
It's why SZvan can write about her fear of walking around in her neighborhood at night because of the possibility she might meet a white rapist and complaining she didn't have the spoons to canvass her neighborhood about gay rights and then later sat she lives in a majority Somali neighborhood?

Wow! Steffy's living in the State of Denial. She probably knows deep down that what she's scared of is the misogynistic islamic (real!) rape culture that most Somalis practice, and that it's nothing to do with race - it's cultural and theocratic. Also, she probably knows full well that if she were to canvas about gay rights in her majority Somali neighbourhood, it would show that only the muslims hate them.

So I watched Vee's video.

The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

[Kirbmarc]

And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Totally gay underdogs in speedos, but yeah.

I've heard that a lot of something called "CGI" was used and it's related to the difference between this:

[.img]http://cdn28.us1.fansshare.com/photogra ... 508399.jpg[/img]

and this:

[.img]http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/acto ... wenham.jpg[/img]

Given what you've just written, I infer that the C and the G are "completely gay"; so what's the I stand for?

Indeed.

[DaveDodo007]

PZ is giving some anti-vaxer's PhD thesis nasty stares.

Amongst the baleful looks "It’s over 300 pages long. Does she think that if you pile up the drivel high enough it becomes an architectural marvel, or something? It doesn’t work that way."

Jebus. That was just Carrier's abstract.

300 pages, isn't that Carrier's introduction part of his books.

[jmpea81]

PZ is giving some anti-vaxer's PhD thesis nasty stares.

Amongst the baleful looks "It’s over 300 pages long. Does she think that if you pile up the drivel high enough it becomes an architectural marvel, or something? It doesn’t work that way."

Jebus. That was just Carrier's abstract.

300 pages, isn't that Carrier's introduction part of his books.

Just the bio, written by the master himself (in the third person).

[Steersman]

It is very difficult to know all of the hundreds or maybe even thousands of words and phrases that mean something different on a sj site then anywhere else. I used the word negotiate on one site. I didn't know that the word meant to use pressure and coercion to force someone to do what you want on that particular site. When I apologized and said that I was only aware of the dictionary definition of the word I was told that I was a dictionary atheist. On that site, using the word negotiate meant that I believed that it was ok for a man to beat his wife. I never understood this connection but asking someone how they got from point a to point b was admitting that I was a sexist. On that particular cite once you make a mistake there is no apology allowed. You are guilty,end of story.

:bjarte:

I have never seen SJWism and all its scary idiocy crystallised as perfectly as in this example.

Phfft. Pikers. I, being even more "oppressed" (and so with higher status ....), have been accused of "anthropomorphizing the dictionary":

Of note though is that M.A. Melby favorited the tweet. But the whole fucking lot of them have disappeared down the rabbit hole - and it's like that all the way down.

[Lsuoma]

Here you go, not the vid you asked for, I see that's been posted already but the thread over on Kiwi Farms has lots of zingers like this, fucking terrifying if you ask me :shock:

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

Scarier when it moves.

Sh/i/t's just crying out for a Hannibal Lecter mask...

[Dave]

Brilliant! Youve brought out her inner beaver.

[Billie from Ockham]

Brilliant! Youve brought out her inner beaver.

As opposed to the external genitalia that was chopped off using Patreon money, eh?

[Steersman]

free thoughtpolice: "I think Laurie Penny is right! It's about time we white cis het males started to regard rape as a crime and put serious penalties on it including prison time! ...."

Wow! Steffy's living in the State of Denial. She probably knows deep down that what she's scared of is the misogynistic islamic (real!) rape culture that most Somalis practice, and that it's nothing to do with race - it's cultural and theocratic. Also, she probably knows full well that if she were to canvas about gay rights in her majority Somali neighbourhood, it would show that only the muslims hate them.

So I watched Vee's video.
The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

A-fucking-men to that. Link to a recent article about Pakistan tweeted by a Canadian ex-muslim (apparently):

And another one from Germany:
German town bars asylum seekers from pool after harassment complaints

Deport the fucking lot of them - at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

[Kirbmarc]

Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

When you'll become a little bit saner you'll realize that the problem lies with regulating immigration, not supressing it, and that the idea is to reform Islam, not kill or banish Muslims.

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

[comhcinc]

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

You need counseling.

[Steersman]

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

You need counseling.

:lol:

[Dave]

Brilliant! Youve brought out her inner beaver.

As opposed to the external genitalia that was chopped off using Patreon money, eh?

Ahem. "Birth defect in her urinary tract" if you please.

[Steersman]

Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

When you'll become a little bit saner you'll realize that the problem lies with regulating immigration, not supressing it, and that the idea is to reform Islam, not kill or banish Muslims.

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

:) Past their "best before" date?

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

[Shatterface]

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uplo ... jpg?406560

[comhcinc]

Trump has better hair.

[The Yeti]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

[comhcinc]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

They told me Lawrence Krauss was “raised Jewish” and James Randi “is homosexual,” so that’s two more by their definition of minority.

So gays and jewish people are no longer minorities.

[Scented Nectar]

So I watched Vee's video.
The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

A-fucking-men to that. Link to a recent article about Pakistan tweeted by a Canadian ex-muslim (apparently):

And another one from Germany:
German town bars asylum seekers from pool after harassment complaints

Deport the fucking lot of them - at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM. I'm serious. Plus, I want Pat Condell to head up the entire UK and for Vee to be the president of Romania.

Europe's Betrayal of Women:
[youtube]TIfMAP4Q1yk[/youtube]

[John D]

The Humanist interviews Steven Pinker and it is just weak sauce. How could anyone interview Pinker and ask such weak and unimportant questions? I love this little exchange.... haha.

Q. The Humanist magazine is turning seventy-five. What do you think of anniversaries generally?

A. Dave Barry wrote that there comes an age when you should stop expecting others to make a fuss over your birthday. That age is eleven. Nonetheless: Happy Birthday, Humanist!

I have a total non-sexual man crush on this guy.

http://thehumanist.com/magazine/january ... arol-oates

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

Maybe they could hire a ginger with a vajayjay to serenade attendees with out-of-tune Adele covers while strumming a ukulele. That's a double Oppression score. (Though small negative points for the cultural appropriation.)

[Kirbmarc]

Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

When you'll become a little bit saner you'll realize that the problem lies with regulating immigration, not supressing it, and that the idea is to reform Islam, not kill or banish Muslims.

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

:) Past their "best before" date?

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

[cnut the great]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

He wants back in, has been blowing kisses at Dawkins' butt.

[Malky]

In general, "liberals" don't get this. Lots of people on the left have a different view of "honor" than people who are more right leaning.

Noam Chomsky typifies a kind of thinking that proposes the ethic of "honor" is morally bad. He just doesn't believe in honor.

In my mind, it is not honorable for young healthy men to run from their home and country because people are fighting a civil war and they can't find a job. Their duty should be to protect and build up their home and to secure it for the future. They are cowards, but the left denys this kind of moral thinking. To a leftist every individual is only a victim. To a leftist it is unfair to ask them to fight for their home.

Germans have a right and a duty to define what it is like to be a German citizen. Of course, it is kind and generous to allow others to join their "club" and it is kind and generous to welcome people in need... but... it is critical to define the terms of this generosity. I agree that this current batch of migrants will be very different than those of the past. These folks will show up with their bellies empty and their minds closed.

I have to say that I don't agree. If you are being targeted by the goverment there's nothing "dishonorable" in understanding that you're going to get massacred, pack your stuff and leave. However it comes down to who is actually fleeing a country because they are targeted by the government and who is abusing the refugee system to immigrate for other reasons, and then is many times going to abuse their refugee status to get away with bad behavior.

Immigrating for economic reasons isn't a bad idea per se. Immigrating for economic reasons while pretending to be a refugee shows the idea that you want to cheat the system, to break and bend rules for your own advantage. That's what is "dishonorable", or better yet an unethical attitude to have.

Using the system of refugees as someone who isn't directly targeted by the oppressive goverment is a red flag. It shows that you're willing to take advantage of the laws of the country that hosts you to get what you want.

Now I'm sure that many if not most of the refugees from Syria and Iraq are actual refugees, i.e. people who were afraid of losing their life or freedom at the hands of the ISIS government. However what's odd to me is that the demographics of the refugees do not reflect the demographics of the people targeted by ISIS. 57% of the refugees are single males and most of them are Sunni Muslims, while ISIS is deliberately and disproportionately targeting women, atheists, Yazidis and Christians.

Perhaps some better vetting and regulation is needed to weed out some potential immigrants who are abusing the refugee system, especially since the old regulations have been denounced as inefficient by many countries, inlcuding Czech Republic, Hungary, Italy and Switzerland.

The "no limits" policy of Angela Merkel has failed. "Some limits" are needed.

I think one thing that people are missing here is that if they stay they are very likely to be drafted into someone's army due to their age whether they like it or not. There is every incentive for young men of "military age" to leave as soon as possible as staying will definitely increase your chances of being shot at.

[Steersman]

<snip>
They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

A-fucking-men to that. Link to a recent article about Pakistan tweeted by a Canadian ex-muslim (apparently):
[.tweet][/tweet]


And another one from Germany:
German town bars asylum seekers from pool after harassment complaints

Deport the fucking lot of them - at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM. I'm serious. Plus, I want Pat Condell to head up the entire UK and for Vee to be the president of Romania.

Europe's Betrayal of Women:
[.youtube]TIfMAP4Q1yk[/youtube]

Thanks. My "stock" seems to be going up by leaps and bounds - first a nomination for Pit President, and now one for Prime Minister of Canada. :-)

But I was thinking about Trudeau a little earlier in the context of Trudeau Senior's views & policies on multiculturalism, apparently one of his legacies. However, while that is all fine and dandy, if the principles of prospective immigrants are antithetical to those of the host country - as is clearly the case with much of Islam - then Houston, we have a serious problem. Which isn't going to be papered over with pious platitudes. Apropos of which, something from that American Institute post I linked to earlier:

In The Open Society and Its Enemies, Karl Popper wrote in 1945:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

Intolerance is simply not compatible with tolerance. We in the West pride ourselves on welcoming immigrants from all over the world who seek better lives for themselves and their families. Part of the deal in coming here, however, is to accept our rights-based system. As the father of three, I’m just as disgusted as the Muslim dad when I see some of the decadent aspects of Western society, but I accept that burden because liberty and the opportunities that come with it are so great.

Amen to that too.

But relative to your Pat Condell video, haven't watched it yet, although I've seen some time ago a few of his other ones on the same theme, and they sure seem to make a lot of sense. Though I've seen a couple of tweets from Maryam Namazie who seems not to be terribly impressed with him. While I think she's doing a yeoman's job in criticizing "Islamism" and Sharia in particular, I think she has a number of emotional bonds with various Muslims - family members, maybe - that are acting as some problematic blinders.

[Tigzy]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

They told me Lawrence Krauss was “raised Jewish” and James Randi “is homosexual,” so that’s two more by their definition of minority.

So gays and jewish people are no longer minorities.

I like the way she makes noises about how the minorities on offer aren't even morally pure:

Randi, according to himself, knew of sexual misconduct by a male speaker and did nothing about it,

You can kindly fuck off with that one Ashley, considering I gave you all the info you needed on your blog last year about the mystery groper at the Skeptics in The Pub events - info which, it turned out, you and your FTB cohorts did absolutely fuck all with. BZZZZZZ NEXT -

and Lawrence Krauss supports his close friend who went to prison for sexually abusing many underage girls.

Yeah. Ogvorbis. So, once again - kindly fuck off with that sort of thing.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Five Ways the Social Justice Movement Can Restore Its Credibility in 2016

Anyone who has ever uttered that “racism is only possible with privilege and power” is a dishonest cretin. It isn’t and never will be, no matter often you repeat it.

[KiwiInOz]

Look I trust you guys, I'm writing a horror novel right now, should I put some sex in it. Answers on the back of a postcard or you know PM me hey.

/backtoyourscheduledprogramming

Horrible sex?

[AndrewV69]

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

What I gather from the NYT article is that some of our Lords & Masters might be getting nervous about the whole immigration business and may be considering a rethink about the outcomes.

YMMV

[jet_lagg]

Who is this friend of Lawrence Krauss who went to prison?

[The Yeti]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

He seems to be trying to weasel himself in as a last minute addition to the lineup. Notice how he laments the small number of speakers and implied that they need to add more to attract crowds. He also implies that he might have to cancel his trip to the Reason Rally if they don't make the event bigger. Poor PZ doesn't realize that nobody gives a shit if he doesn't go.

[Steersman]

<snip>

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

Yea, well I've also suggested "regulating" Muslim immigration too - through the "means test" of saying "either piss on the Quran or piss off". Time to call a spade a shovel - or maybe you didn't notice that article about Pakistan and the fucking ignorant savages there who refused to ban child marriages because the "Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declared it un-Islamic"? Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all.

[Tigzy]

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

He seems to be trying to weasel himself in as a last minute addition to the lineup. Notice how he laments the small number of speakers and implied that they need to add more to attract crowds. He also implies that he might have to cancel his trip to the Reason Rally if they don't make the event bigger. Poor PZ doesn't realize that nobody gives a shit if he doesn't go.

D4m10n has been amazingly wanky recently. :lol: :lol:

Damion Reinhardt says

January 15, 2016 at 4:32 pm

If they could snag Jamila Bey that would add both demographic and ideological diversity to the lineup.

[screwtape]

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

If he had been on the ballot, Ottawa today might be this:

Steersman=Parliament-Ottawa.jpg

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[Dave]

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

What I gather from the NYT article is that some of our Lords & Masters might be getting nervous about the whole immigration business and may be considering a rethink about the outcomes.

YMMV

Will you all please stop referring to Ross Douthat's opinion piece as a NYT article? Yes, Doofhat has a regular column in the NYT as their pet conservative. But as a columnist, the NYT exercises no editorial control over what he writes and his is an opinion piece, not tied down by the need for facts, which is fortunate because Doofhat wouldnt know a fact if one bit him on the ass while dressed in a fact-suit, doing a fact-dance while singing "Im a little fact . . . "

As you can tell, Im really fond of the guy. :D :D :D

[Steersman]

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

What I gather from the NYT article is that some of our Lords & Masters might be getting nervous about the whole immigration business and may be considering a rethink about the outcomes.

YMMV

Indeed. About time, although it is somewhat "problematic" that it has taken Trump's support for the idea to get their attention. Ran across an amusing tweet the other day: "How to lose friends in 3 words? Say, 'I support Trump'"

[Brive1987]

Carrier originally said that the SPP shared reviewer contacted him presumably to explain why no edits would be forthcoming.

Re "by chance"

I can't see any way "chance" could be involved if empirical info is also available. So I would bet Carrier never supplied SPP with his reviewers names. Or he did and they lost it in the bureaucracy of the 1x general manager.

ALTHOUGH - crafty Carrier could mean he supplied the names and the fact they had informally reviewed and "by chance" they still remained top pick for SPP, would'a guessed?

[Steersman]

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

If he had been on the ballot, Ottawa today might be this:

Steersman=Parliament-Ottawa.jpg

:lol: May need to modify my avatar to show that as a flag. :-)

[Scented Nectar]

Thanks. My "stock" seems to be going up by leaps and bounds - first a nomination for Pit President, and now one for Prime Minister of Canada. :-)

But I was thinking about Trudeau a little earlier in the context of Trudeau Senior's views & policies on multiculturalism, apparently one of his legacies. However, while that is all fine and dandy, if the principles of prospective immigrants are antithetical to those of the host country - as is clearly the case with much of Islam - then Houston, we have a serious problem. Which isn't going to be papered over with pious platitudes.

All 4 of my grandparents were immigrants to Canada. Absolutely none of them went around breaking the law with violence or old style religious ways. They integrated.

But relative to your Pat Condell video, haven't watched it yet, although I've seen some time ago a few of his other ones on the same theme, and they sure seem to make a lot of sense. Though I've seen a couple of tweets from Maryam Namazie who seems not to be terribly impressed with him. While I think she's doing a yeoman's job in criticizing "Islamism" and Sharia in particular, I think she has a number of emotional bonds with various Muslims - family members, maybe - that are acting as some problematic blinders.

Maryam makes it very clear that she criticizes islamicism rather than muslims. Personally, I think that there is way too high a percentage of literal-koran believers to take a chance with any muslim immigration at all, but she probably does know some who really would integrate into modern secular democracies.

Something I wonder about though, is why she's a communist. Surely if she can see the horrors of theocratic fascism, why can't she see that every form of communism that ever existed on earth has also turned fascist almost instantly once in power. Maybe she thinks the theory can really be made into reality. Someone here said a few weeks ago (I can't remember who), that when communism takes over, the true believers and useful idiots are the first ones thrown under the bus.

[Suet Cardigan]

From Ars Technica:

Twitter has discovered what many proponents of democratic society already knew: censorship is not the opposite of free speech. In fact, so-called free speech can actually be used as a weapon to silence the vulnerable and dispossessed. Ironically, to maintain its position as a platform for free discourse, Twitter must censor its users.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Censorship is Free Speech.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/ ... last-year/

[Scented Nectar]

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

If he had been on the ballot, Ottawa today might be this:

Steersman=Parliament-Ottawa.jpg

I'm only seeing an increase of tourism dollars there! Sight-seeing parliament tours. Tourists can stare and debate whether she's turning clockwise or counter. Step aside, Statue of Liberty, the spinning dancer is here. :)

[free thoughtpolice]

Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

14 January 2016 at 4:22 pm

BTW, I just found out that the totally not misogynists of a totally not hate forum are wishing me to be raped by “1000 goat fuckers”.
Clearly, it must be their atheism, right?

Did that happen here? I must have missed. :think:

[Guest_e90bc1ce]

Can someone do something about the 'email already in use' blocker??

Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

Maybe they could hire a ginger with a vajayjay to serenade attendees with out-of-tune Adele covers while strumming a ukulele. That's a double Oppression score. (Though small negative points for the cultural appropriation.)

It's clear what's going on. Some precious snowflakes aren't getting the attention they think they deserve. Which is why they throw a tantrum and try to ruin the fun for everyone else.

e.g public on Facebook:


Sarah Morehead
September 11, 2015
Omfg. I have gotten no less than 74 email/text/phone/FB/carrier pigeon requests for favors TODAY, and I am *not* exaggerating. Each are 100% convinced that I'm a big meanie because the answer is NO, despite your situation, despite how long/well/much we know each other, despite what you think I (or whoever) owe you, and despite that one time back in college, it is business, it is NOT personal but you may NOT have....
A) Free tickets to Apostacon
B) Free tables at Apostacon
C) Special Treatment because Special Snowflake Status (you're all equally special snowflakes, I promise...)
D) Refunds Because Reasons (all heartbreaking, all good, all valid, I GET IT BUT I STILL HAVE TO PAY OUR BILLS OFF THE NUMBERS WE SUBMITTED ALREADY FFS)
E) Stage Time at the Reason Rally
F) Stage time at Apostacon this year
G) Stage time at Apostacon next year
H) Party time with Penn & Teller
I) Direct contact information for any talent/celebrity. Period. Just no.
I have spent hours today emailing replies, texting, messaging, to people as best I can (and getting lectured, patronized, and insulted in return for taking the time), and ignoring the remainder of the random "got your email from a friend" ones, and I still have a mountain of shit to do. GIT OFF MY LAWN. Grr.

facebook. com/sarah.morehead.52/posts/10206057065240269

[comhcinc]

From Ars Technica:

Twitter has discovered what many proponents of democratic society already knew: censorship is not the opposite of free speech. In fact, so-called free speech can actually be used as a weapon to silence the vulnerable and dispossessed. Ironically, to maintain its position as a platform for free discourse, Twitter must censor its users.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Censorship is Free Speech.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/ ... last-year/

What gets me about twitter is they have always had a built in protection mech. With one button you can make and keep your tweets private.

What they want to happen is that certain people (people they approve of) are allowed to say what they want without question.

With the way the stock is falling it would be funny if Murdoch or a Kock buying twitter up just for shits and giggles.

[Kirbmarc]

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Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

Yea, well I've also suggested "regulating" Muslim immigration too - through the "means test" of saying "either piss on the Quran or piss off". Time to call a spade a shovel - or maybe you didn't notice that article about Pakistan and the fucking ignorant savages there who refused to ban child marriages because the "Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declared it un-Islamic"? Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all.

There are many, many problems with Islam.

They're not going to be dealt with by a simplistic approach like "piss on the Quran or piss off".

It's far better to construct a test along the lines of "accept liberal democracy and its rules or piss off".

Or, as the Muslim mayor of Rotterdam has said after the Charlie Hebdo attack "accept free speech or fuck off".

The Quran is a book with many different interpretations. Moderate Sunni or Shia intepret it differently from Wahabites and Salafites. Theocratic Iranian Shia are very different from moderate Sufis. Liberal muslims like Maajid Nawaz are on a completely different page from degenerates like Anjem Choudary.

The reformation has to pass through a reinterpretation of Quran who slowly but steadily leads Muslims to adapt to modernity like Christians have. Of course this can't happen overnight, so some practical restricions must be made on Muslim immigration (especially of young males).

Also no concessions must be made to Islamist organizations: no Sharia courts, no religious Muslim schools, no separated venues for men and women, and zero tolerance for acts of bigotry inspired by Islam.

Most of all, though, progressive people have to unambiguously come out against Islamism, stop allying itself with Islamist groups and stop supporting Islamist ideas.

[Tigzy]

With the way the stock is falling it would be funny if Murdoch or a Kock buying twitter up just for shits and giggles.

Fuck yes. Worth it just to see the SJW twitterati suddenly develop a keen interest in the importance of free speech.

[comhcinc]

Oh and nothing is going to be said about Grizzly Adams dying?

That bear that post here must be completely tore up.

[Tigzy]

The Quran is a book with many different interpretations. Moderate Sunni or Shia intepret it differently from Wahabites and Salafites. Theocratic Iranian Shia are very different from moderate Sufis. Liberal muslims like Maajid Nawaz are on a completely different page from degenerates like Anjem Choudary.

It's pretty amazing that a book which states unequivocally (despite the muslim handwaving) that one can actually go 'to the setting place of the sun' and observe it as it 'sets into a pool of murky water' can be taken by so many as the absolute and final word of god. Crazy old world, I guess.

[Kirbmarc]

Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

14 January 2016 at 4:22 pm

BTW, I just found out that the totally not misogynists of a totally not hate forum are wishing me to be raped by “1000 goat fuckers”.
Clearly, it must be their atheism, right?

Did that happen here? I must have missed. :think:

There's no evidence.

Of course Giliell knows that evidence is a social construct, so she's constructing it socially.

[Tigzy]

Apparently, what Giliell was referring to is this:

'It is not the deed that concerns us, Winston - rather, the thought behind it.'

http://www.theshoopsroost.com/2015/12/3 ... mment-6293

* There were c. 1,000 of the goatfuckers;
* 100 of the reports were of sexual assault, there were also many more of mugging;
* If Gilliel could mange to maneuver her 400 lb. girth through her door jam and out onto the street, it'd take 1,000 goatfuckers to assault just her alone.

Or a couple of squadrons of X-wings...

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She elaborates here: http://www.theshoopsroost.com/2015/12/3 ... mment-6479 Many hugs are offered to her for the trauma of extrapolating something completely different to what was actually written.

[Kirbmarc]

The Quran is a book with many different interpretations. Moderate Sunni or Shia intepret it differently from Wahabites and Salafites. Theocratic Iranian Shia are very different from moderate Sufis. Liberal muslims like Maajid Nawaz are on a completely different page from degenerates like Anjem Choudary.

It's pretty amazing that a book which states unequivocally (despite the muslim handwaving) that one can actually go 'to the setting place of the sun' and observe it as it 'sets into a pool of murky water' can be taken by so many as the absolute and final word of god. Crazy old world, I guess.

That's modern religion for you. Handwaving over handwaving, rationalization over rationalization, until at there's left is the idiotic pseudo-agnostic "you can't prove it's not true!"

The Bible also says that there was an evening and a morning before there was a sun. Or that there are "portals and windows" in the heaven from which rain falls. Or that God stopped the sun, not the earth. Or that God made manna rain from the sky. Etc.

Yet many peole have taken it (and some people still take it) as the absolute and final word of god.

Until rather recently Christianity was much more similar to Islam than we think. In Southern Italy women veiled their heads until 70 or 80 years ago. The Inquisitions and the Puritans ordered the slaughter of heretics and infidels with methods that weren't much better than what ISIS does.

If Christianity is better than Islam now it's only because of a long process of secularization. The same process started in some Muslim countries in the 50s and the early 60s (Iran, even Afghanistan) but was suffocated by religious revivals, often sponsored by the US against the communists (and anyone who might not have been as easily manipulated as they wished) and now by the Saudi regime.

Turkey was also secularized in the 20s, although Erdogan has been flirting with the conservative islamists for quite a while.

The process of secularization can start again, but we have to get rid of the influence of Saudi Arabia first.

Wahabites and Salafites have been financed by the Saduiand have hindered secularization, promoted anti-Western hatred, incited terrorism and opposed reformation in Islam since the 70s. And yet for years no one has dared to question the role of Saudi Arabia as a Western ally.

Oil trumps democracy, I guess.