Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

#32461

rayshul wrote:What I've seen so far from the French news/updates and insight into terrorist groups, it seems very likely that the attacks were caused by the refugees - specifically, the fact that Europe took in the refugees in a relatively measured way. These refugees had escaped from ISIS and were welcomed and essentially freed of ISIS/Islamic rule. My bet here is that these attacks were a retaliation against Europe for acting humanely and we may well see other attacks in coming months on the other countries that have been taking in refugees.

ISIS has officially taken responsibility now, and have stated they attacked the Bataclan specifically because it was a metal concert (it was not). But yes, it's possible that we are paying the price of helping the refugees.

#32462

Oglebart wrote:Let me agree with Kirbmarc's sentiments here. The reformation of islam is the critical area I feel. Personally I feel I need to see much more in the way of condemnation and isolation of the extremist groups by the massive so--called moderate majority. Maybe the media are guilty of not showing this? I don't know really, perhaps someone with a better understanding and closer connection to islam could weigh in here? There is however a perception that there are a large number of muslims that do have a sympathetic leaning towards the extremist groups and that is a problem.

The trouble is much of mainstream Islam today values piety above virtue. You can see that in the fervour to throw stones at a big rock on one particular day in the autumn to the point that death by trampling by the rest of the crowd is more or less guaranteed. It's a greater sin to miss Friday prayers than to call someone the anti-Christ (for accidentally giving them the wrong directions to their particular prayer room).

Although Baghdadi and his ISIS brigade cheerfully declare takfiri on anyone Muslim who breathes a word against them (plus the hundreds of millions of Shia, Ahmaadya, Ismaili plus all the rest), most Muslims are reticent to do the same to them. Not least because much of ISIS ideology is pure, undistilled medieval Islamic doctrine. Declaring them un-Islamic doesn't work: because the prophet kept slaves, they can keep slaves. They can nail apostates to crosses and burn them. It's all 'good'. Confronting that means confronting what the Koran means in today's society. Very few in the community are in a rush to do that.

In the meantime, it seems ISIS is trying hard to find out whether a particular prophecy in one of their treasured Hadiths is correct by engineering the situation where "the armies of Rome" will turn up in Dabiq real soon now.

#32463

Changing my avatar in solidarity with France.

Not sure what to say about these events but I'll ramble anyway. What is the ostensible goal of these pieces of shit? This isn't the sort of bullying that is going to convince a larger group to obey you. This is the sort of thing that convinces them that you can't be accommodated & must be disposed of for everyone's safety & self respect. I'm in a pretty dark, hostile mood right now after reading about this. I can only imagine how the people much nearer to this event are feeling. I bet military recruitment spikes in the next few months.

I jammed the hell out of the 1st EODM album when it came out. Hearing it evokes memories of all the cool things that were happening for me at that point in my life. I was actually thinking about that band yesterday for no real reason before I read the news. Now it'll remind me of the day a few of the biggest pieces of shit ever decided to murder a bunch of strangers out having fun because their worthless ideology demanded it.

Ramble over. Carry on.

#32464

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Asra Nomani, Muslim feminist, on why liberals seemingly support violent islamists

#32465

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
rayshul wrote:What I've seen so far from the French news/updates and insight into terrorist groups, it seems very likely that the attacks were caused by the refugees - specifically, the fact that Europe took in the refugees in a relatively measured way. These refugees had escaped from ISIS and were welcomed and essentially freed of ISIS/Islamic rule. My bet here is that these attacks were a retaliation against Europe for acting humanely and we may well see other attacks in coming months on the other countries that have been taking in refugees.
ISIS has officially taken responsibility now, and have stated they attacked the Bataclan specifically because it was a metal concert (it was not). But yes, it's possible that we are paying the price of helping the refugees.

For that to be true, wouldn't most of them have to be refugees, rather than economic migrants?

#32466

Soapy Stevens wrote: In the meantime, it seems ISIS is trying hard to find out whether a particular prophecy in one of their treasured Hadiths is correct by engineering the situation where "the armies of Rome" will turn up in Dabiq real soon now.

Yeah, that's the official line they give. I'm still surprised to see how sincere they seem to be about it. Almost no successful religious or ideological group can act with that sort of consistency in the real world. At the top of these things I always assume there to be mostly-rational pragmatists calling the shots & spinning rationalizations for all of their concessions to reality.

ISIS is giving the greatest military powers in world history moral permission to exterminate them. They aren't gaming our humanitarian sensibilities for military advantage here. They're almost trying to remove them. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the whole thing.

#32467

Easy J wrote:Yeah, that's the official line they give. I'm still surprised to see how sincere they seem to be about it. Almost no successful religious or ideological group can act with that sort of consistency in the real world. At the top of these things I always assume there to be mostly-rational pragmatists calling the shots & spinning rationalizations for all of their concessions to reality.

Up until yesterday, I thought it really was a bunch of former Iraqi secret service types who had managed to wrap an ideology around them and found a cheap way to gain dedicated recruits to win their battles for them. As the only outcome that makes sense given recent events is to issue invites to what they think is Armageddon – the only conclusion seems to be that they really are a bunch of evil nutters.

The only comparable level of ideology I can think of was the Khmer Rouge who eventually pushed Vietnam too far - but even that wasn't anywhere near deliberate.

#32468

Keating wrote:
For that to be true, wouldn't most of them have to be refugees, rather than economic migrants?

Do you really think it matters to those bastards?

#32469

Easy J wrote:Changing my avatar in solidarity with France.

Not sure what to say about these events but I'll ramble anyway. What is the ostensible goal of these pieces of shit? This isn't the sort of bullying that is going to convince a larger group to obey you. This is the sort of thing that convinces them that you can't be accommodated & must be disposed of for everyone's safety & self respect.

It doesn't convince everyone of this though, that's the problem. Fucktards are already queuing up to apologise for these animals.

#32470

rayshul wrote:What I've seen so far from the French news/updates and insight into terrorist groups, it seems very likely that the attacks were caused by the refugees - specifically, the fact that Europe took in the refugees in a relatively measured way. These refugees had escaped from ISIS and were welcomed and essentially freed of ISIS/Islamic rule. My bet here is that these attacks were a retaliation against Europe for acting humanely and we may well see other attacks in coming months on the other countries that have been taking in refugees.

So attack France for "accepting refugee" Muslims, thus hoping that France and other European countries take in more Muslims to spite the attackers.

I am not saying that is the case. But I would tend to be skeptical of taking what they say at face value. And honestly, our media is so piss poor I would be inclined to try to get information from multiple sources beyond my own country just to make sure no ideological or political spin is being put on the information coming in.

#32471

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:ISIS has officially taken responsibility now, and have stated they attacked the Bataclan specifically because it was a metal concert (it was not). But yes, it's possible that we are paying the price of helping the refugees.

Specifically because it was a metal concert? ISIS's brand of Islam doesn't even allow music period. How on earth would they know or think that metal is any better or worse than any other kind of music? Something seems off about that claim.

#32472

deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:ISIS has officially taken responsibility now, and have stated they attacked the Bataclan specifically because it was a metal concert (it was not). But yes, it's possible that we are paying the price of helping the refugees.
Specifically because it was a metal concert? ISIS's brand of Islam doesn't even allow music period. How on earth would they know or think that metal is any better or worse than any other kind of music? Something seems off about that claim.

Well, it's their claim, not mine.

#32473

And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

#32474

Easy J wrote:
Soapy Stevens wrote: In the meantime, it seems ISIS is trying hard to find out whether a particular prophecy in one of their treasured Hadiths is correct by engineering the situation where "the armies of Rome" will turn up in Dabiq real soon now.
Yeah, that's the official line they give. I'm still surprised to see how sincere they seem to be about it. Almost no successful religious or ideological group can act with that sort of consistency in the real world. At the top of these things I always assume there to be mostly-rational pragmatists calling the shots & spinning rationalizations for all of their concessions to reality.

ISIS is giving the greatest military powers in world history moral permission to exterminate them. They aren't gaming our humanitarian sensibilities for military advantage here. They're almost trying to remove them. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the whole thing.

ISIS definitely seem to be deliberately removing any vestiges of reason not to exterminate them. I can't even think of a fictional group so utterly evil. Even the Nazis didn't go around boasting about the gas chambers.

#32475

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:ISIS has officially taken responsibility now, and have stated they attacked the Bataclan specifically because it was a metal concert (it was not). But yes, it's possible that we are paying the price of helping the refugees.
Specifically because it was a metal concert? ISIS's brand of Islam doesn't even allow music period. How on earth would they know or think that metal is any better or worse than any other kind of music? Something seems off about that claim.
Well, it's their claim, not mine.

The concert hall is owned by Jews isn't it?

#32476

Parody Accountant wrote:We need to really change our whole fucking strategy for this goddamn muslim situation.

not with occupation or nation building bs.

Bomb isis to the Stoneage. etc. etc.

FFS. How hard can it be in the Panopticon we live in?

Someone is funding. Someone is shipping arms.

Like fuck they don't know the "who" and "how".

There is a buddy system protecting buddies.

The US do it. The Russians do it. The Swedes are into it up to their eyeballs. So are Brits and Krauts. Then there's the Gulf State shitheads.

They could kill ISIS like a fly with a swatter. But there's way too many palms being greased.

#32477

Søren Lilholt wrote:
Easy J wrote:Changing my avatar in solidarity with France.

Not sure what to say about these events but I'll ramble anyway. What is the ostensible goal of these pieces of shit? This isn't the sort of bullying that is going to convince a larger group to obey you. This is the sort of thing that convinces them that you can't be accommodated & must be disposed of for everyone's safety & self respect.
It doesn't convince everyone of this though, that's the problem. Fucktards are already queuing up to apologise for these animals.

I find myself vacillating between horror at what they've allowed themselves to become & joy at the way they're fast-forwarding the general discrediting of SJWdom. Same thing here, i guess. It just stuns me that they can be this oblivious to the obvious. They really do believe this crap & really are that far out of touch. It has taken me longer than most SJW watchers to accept this & have it sink in.

100+ concert attendees murdered by hate-filled scum = to poop smeared on college bathroom wall in a "problematic" pattern. And complaining about the murder victims diverting attention from their little freakshow...
https://lebanonpennant.files.wordpress. ... =339&h=262

#32478

franc wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:We need to really change our whole fucking strategy for this goddamn muslim situation.

not with occupation or nation building bs.

Bomb isis to the Stoneage. etc. etc.
FFS. How hard can it be in the Panopticon we live in?

Someone is funding. Someone is shipping arms.

Like fuck they don't know the "who" and "how".

There is a buddy system protecting buddies.

The US do it. The Russians do it. The Swedes are into it up to their eyeballs. So are Brits and Krauts. Then there's the Gulf State shitheads.

They could kill ISIS like a fly with a swatter. But there's way too many palms being greased.

Franc is correct.

:cdc:

#32479

One example, Assad let ISIS gain a small foothold because he is then positioned as one of the few things that is holding ISIS back. If ISIS was to disappear, then so might Assad. It would not be in Syria's interests to quash Daesh.

#32480

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

No clue why they would hate metal or metal-heads more than rap.

#32481

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

The band was not a heavy metal band. They are a blues influenced indie type band, and have connections to California. They have also played with Dave Grohl.

The name appears to be an ironic joke between band members

#32482

I love how ISIS are making Al Qaeda feel like pussies.

#ParisAttacks - another stunning success for NSA / GCHQ / 5 eyes internet dragnet surveillance.

Imagine if they used their funding for real intelligence operations - and not pantysniffing all of us. They may have actually prevented it.

"National security is the chief cause of national insecurity" - Celine's first law

There's a deep hole in hell waiting for you Ashcroft/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al. Only time I wish there was a hell.

http://i.imgur.com/xBvA5ZS.jpg

#32483

deLurch wrote:No clue why they would hate metal or metal-heads more than rap.

Because most rap morons are muslims. Duh.

#32484

HunnyBunny wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

The band was not a heavy metal band. They are a blues influenced indie type band, and have connections to California. They have also played with Dave Grohl.

The name appears to be an ironic joke between band members

I think it was a drunken "good idea" - what would happen if you crossed The Eagles (the horrid MoR tripe of Hotel California) with death metal.

#32485

Ape+lust wrote:http://imgur.com/GtXpnml.png

Poor Carrier. He's going to be stuck in a meat market of mostly desperate neckbeards all weekend. Plus remember, he has to pay for his own dinners, so it'll be dollar menu burritos until he pukes.

Carrier sucks at picking conferences, yo.

Richard "Spunkey Monkey" Carrier is in town. Mothers, lock up your daughters. So that you can have him all for yourself.

#32486

HunnyBunny wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

The band was not a heavy metal band. They are a blues influenced indie type band, and have connections to California. They have also played with Dave Grohl.

The name appears to be an ironic joke between band members

I know that. The fanatic idiots don't, it seems.

#32487

John Cleese, on Colbert:

"I love being stupid"

Amen.

#32488

Gumby wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTvPX5nVEAEs6lh.jpg

Fuck you, Salon, for blaming free speech for the actions of terrorists. Seriously, fuck you. You support pedophiles, excuse terrorists for their behaviors and have the gall to ask to people to be ashamed for arguing in a way that you don't like.

This kind of articles makes me wish that Donald Trump becomes the next US president, just to see all these brain-dead morally bankrupt holier-than-thou morons flail around helplessly while they try to convince their readers that he's worse than Hitler.
Check the replies to that Salon tweet. They're getting nailed to the fucking wall. By their own readers.

I can't remember who posted or tweeted this but it's great: "Salon: Where speech is terrorism, and terrorism is speech."

#32489

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
HunnyBunny wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And also: the terrorists were young, and chances are they were born and bred in France. Do you think they would have targeted, say, a rap concert? Do you have any idea of the hatred those "youth" hold against metal and metal-heads?

The band was not a heavy metal band. They are a blues influenced indie type band, and have connections to California. They have also played with Dave Grohl.

The name appears to be an ironic joke between band members
I know that. The fanatic idiots don't, it seems.

I'm not convinced that the concert was targeted because of a supposed metal link. My thoughts are they simply choose a concert that was in the area they decided to attack, that it was the location rather than the genre that dictated their choice. All music is considered haram by IS, so t is not surprising they would choose a music venue to attack.

I guess we may never know, unless IS choose to tell us.

#32490

If they did go after that gig deliberately, I'd guess it was for the album/poster artwork which is a partial homage to the Sticky Fingers sleeve. It's got two triggers for the fundamentalist Salafist moralist who takes everything literally – partially undressed woman who is making the sign of the devil's horns over her crotch.

#32491

There's a translation of daesh's message here:

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/1 ... hes-right/

#32492

Skep tickle wrote: Do you think he knows that he'll be speaking to a roomful of SJWs who spout "freeze peach"?

Slight problem with one word there. More like a room-empty...
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Roompty.

#32493

Oglebart wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Paris. Fuck. Horrible, shocking thing. Islam is evil.

Fuck all the Islam apologists.

Fuck all the dhimmi SJWs.

Islam needs to be reformed and secularized. I don't give a shit about "tradition". I don't give a shit about "culture". If your tradition inspires you to commit or support this evil acts, your tradition is wrong and needs to change.
Let me agree with Kirbmarc's sentiments here. The reformation of islam is the critical area I feel. Personally I feel I need to see much more in the way of condemnation and isolation of the extremist groups by the massive so--called moderate majority. Maybe the media are guilty of not showing this? I don't know really, perhaps someone with a better understanding and closer connection to islam could weigh in here? There is however a perception that there are a large number of muslims that do have a sympathetic leaning towards the extremist groups and that is a problem.

I was revisiting the Philae comet landing story recently, purely the technical aspect though, and accomplishments such as that really show what humans can achieve, the peak of our development as a species, so it really is depressing to think that such a huge number are still willing to believe and live their life according to some clearly fabricated primitive religion.

Science will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings.

#32494

franc wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:We need to really change our whole fucking strategy for this goddamn muslim situation.

not with occupation or nation building bs.

Bomb isis to the Stoneage. etc. etc.
FFS. How hard can it be in the Panopticon we live in?

Someone is funding. Someone is shipping arms.

Like fuck they don't know the "who" and "how".

There is a buddy system protecting buddies.

The US do it. The Russians do it. The Swedes are into it up to their eyeballs. So are Brits and Krauts. Then there's the Gulf State shitheads.

They could kill ISIS like a fly with a swatter. But there's way too many palms being greased.

Let's not forget Saudi Barbaria.

#32495

Wtf?

This is what skepticism has becometo the FtB SJW crowd - pop-psy navel gazing by self-absorbed whiners. Because really, how silly to apply skepticism to the world around you.

#32496

#32497

I have already seen comments by SJWs condemning the elimination of Jihadi John because it supposedly triggered the attacks in Paris. Of course, in reality the attacks must have been planned much longer, and IS itself claims that they were in retaliation for French air strikes. But there's one thing a SJW will never do: pass on an opportunity to look more righteous than thou.

#32498

Gumby wrote:Wtf?
This is what skepticism has becometo the FtB SJW crowd - pop-psy navel gazing by self-absorbed whiners. Because really, how silly to apply skepticism to the world around you.

Well it takes time to figure out what gender you identify as. And then you have to choose your preferred pronouns. And then you racial identity is something to figure out... I think I might be black or Indian. And then I have to determine my collection of mental illnesses. Yes, I know that could be done by professionals, but it is so much cheaper to select my own as if I am shopping at Trader Joe's. And then I have to check my privileges, and then check them again.

Do you seriously think that paying attention to what is going on in the world around me is more important than that? What, you expect me to be distracted by what has happened in France?!?!?! No. Best to obsess on me at #skepticon.

#32499

Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

#32500

Was FA commenter Starship Maxima an FTB regular? S/h/it's trying to be an enforcer in the FA Paris attack threads and is attempting to do it in classic horde style, but I don't remember the name form there.

#32501

Maybe the media are guilty of not showing this? I don't know really, perhaps someone with a better understanding and closer connection to islam could weigh in here? There is however a perception that there are a large number of muslims that do have a sympathetic leaning towards the extremist groups and that is a problem.

There is a large number of Muslims who say that they disapprove of violence but then argue that "the Prophet cannot be mocked" or that "the West kills Muslims and is racist and corrupt" or that "Sharia is better than liberal democracy".

Secularized Muslims (like Maajid Nawaz) exist, but the other muslims call them "traitors". What's even worse is that some people (like C. J. Werleman or Glenn Greenwald) call them "allies of American imperialism" and "speakers for rightist thinktanks".

#32502

katamari Damassi wrote:Was FA commenter Starship Maxima an FTB regular? S/h/it's trying to be an enforcer in the FA Paris attack threads and is attempting to do it in classic horde style, but I don't remember the name form there.

No.

He is a TFA regular, however. Has been for the past 2-3 years.

He is a fuckwit.

I nailed his ass on the responsibility argument. Apparently fertilized eggs are 'real people for sure with the right to life 'if they are inside a woman, but they are not 'real people for sure with the right to life' if they are created through IVF. Because his views are 'nuanced' and 'life isn't black and white'.

#32503

Shatterface wrote:Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

Because the parent birds apparently don't have the urge to remove an unusual-looking egg once it is lying in their nest. So there is no selection pressure to produce an egg that looks similar to that of the host species.

Therefore, the relevant question really is: why wouldn't the host birds have learned to remove unusually large or differently coloured eggs?

I don't see an easy answer to that one.

#32504

More fuckwits on this thread too:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... 2359524266

Anyone who blames Islam and not western imperialism is a "wingnut"

#32505

Shatterface wrote:Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

Birds are a much more evolved category than mammals. They know not to judge anything on the basis of appearance, even when appearance is highly tied to genetics. There is a chance that the cis-cuckoo will later identify as the same species as the hosts. To kick the cuckoo egg out of the nest would be self-genocide.

#32506

A quick look through Google Scholar shows that the cuckoo egg question is pretty complex. In some cuckoo species there is egg mimicry and some host bird species do reject foreign-looking eggs. So there are probably several trade-offs and delicate balances involved.

#32507

Billie is right of course. Birds are simply not specieist.

#32508

Shatterface wrote:Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

Only if the host species can recognize that a cuckoo's egg looks different from the others. And sure enough (from Wikipedia, on cuckoos:):

Female parasitic cuckoos sometimes specialize and lay eggs that closely resemble the eggs of their chosen host. Some birds are able to distinguish cuckoo eggs from their own, leading to those eggs least like the host's being thrown out of the nest.[22] Parasitic cuckoos that show the highest levels of egg mimicry are those whose hosts exhibit high levels of egg rejection behavior.[25] Some hosts do not exhibit egg rejection behavior and the cuckoo eggs look very dissimilar from the host eggs.

#32509

Well the water department will be digging across my steep dirt driveway to install a line and I'd rather be here_for that and apparently they plan to wait for the midday warmth. If I thought Skepticon were an atheist skeptic conference a couple of hours away, I'd maybe leave them to their work and make the effort to get up there to see hear and meet people, but it's not. It's a bunch of sjw cranks, and it would be more like a trip to the zoo. Maybe later, but unless I leave soon it would be too late to see Danielle's video reporter friend speak at noon

#32510

Kirbmarc wrote:Paris. Fuck. Horrible, shocking thing. Islam is evil.

Fuck all the Islam apologists.

Fuck all the dhimmi SJWs.

Islam needs to be reformed and secularized. I don't give a shit about "tradition". I don't give a shit about "culture". If your tradition inspires you to commit or support this evil acts, your tradition is wrong and needs to change.

Let's get rid of any privilege given to Islam. No more Muslim courts in the UK. Absolutely no public funds for mosques or Muslim schools. No religious teaching in public school. Stiff punishments for Muslims who violate the laws of a liberal, democratic state.

We also need to be able to call Islam for what it is: the religion that inspires terrorists, that justifies slavery and child rape, that is the most mysogynistic, homophobic and illiberal system of belief ever conceived.

Fuck political correctness. Fuck all the sniveling SJWs who still care more about shit swastikas than dead people. Fuck all their attempts to call criticism and satire of Islam "racism". Fuck all their proposals to label criticism, satire and blasphemy "hate speech".

Although I share Kirbmarc's sentiments, I recently listened to Dan Carlin's "Common Sense" podcast, episode #297, title: "The Show That Shouldn't Exist". Carlin criticized recent US intel & policy-response... for apparently failing to predict and curtail the rise of ISIS and the refugee situation. He says every current presidential candidate is saying the same words: about fostering new middle-eastern democracies with secular values.

Carlin sez that simply isn't going to happen. ...And all the candidates and policy-makers aren't really stupid-enough to believe it is going to happen. So they must by lying, playing dumb to tell US ears what we want to hear.

As much as I agree with Kirbmarc, I don't want to be pandered-to... with lip-service to my desires... if that's as-fanciful as George W Bush's claims that post-Saddam Iraq and post-Taliban Afghanistan were going to be tolerant democracies... I'd rather face the disappointing truth, and hear realistic response options.

I don't know if Carlin is right about Washington Insiders being too smart to believe their own hype. I think it's possible that our own wishful thinking-- wanting progress-- makes us unaware how much the locals want no such thing.

So where does that leave us? Is it having to choose between "nuke them from space, it's the only way to be sure" vs. selecting and bolstering another generation of odious strongmen to keep order while letting those societies remain retarded vs. continue to limply express secular/democracy platitudes while letting radical terror factions continue to metastasize?

which of those 3 is preferable?

#32511

Shatterface wrote:Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

Yes, but it takes some time for the host species to catch up. In the absence of cuckoos there's usually no need for the ability to discriminate between eggs. If the host-parasite relationship is relatively recent, the cuckoo can get away with laying eggs that don't look like the eggs of the host species. That creates a selective pressure for the host to recognize cuckoo eggs, which leads to an evolutionary arms race between the cuckoo and the host:

Thus the weight of evidence suggests that egg mimicry typically arises from a coevolutionary cycle
in which hosts gain a fitness advantage from rejecting mismatched eggs, resulting in selection for parasitic
mimicry, which in turn results in selection on hosts to evolve ever more finely-tuned egg discrimination.

http://www2.zoo.cam.ac.uk/africancuckoo ... apter6.pdf

#32512

Syrian passport found next to body of Paris attack suicide bomber, confirm police

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/14/syrian-pa ... e-5501658/

I think France and other countries will need a bit more of a controlled border entry system for immigrants and refugees. False flag passport or not, planned terrorists may carry them.

#32513

another lurker wrote:More fuckwits on this thread too:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... 2359524266

Anyone who blames Islam and not western imperialism is a "wingnut"

So this attack ( ) must have been caused by African imperialism.

#32514

Brive1987 wrote:
According to the local rag (quoted by Peez), the organiser, Lauren Luscious-Lane, "expects" 1500 to turn up.

:liar:

Meanwhile. PZ is trapped in his social event (I understand the nights attraction is table top gaming - but maybe he's at a party of 1) and is unable to give Paris the analysis it deserves.

On the topic he has so far managed to retweet:

A payout on Ted Cruz
A payout on Ann Coulter
A payout on Trump
A warning for atheists not to put their feet down their throat by bagging islam.

He hasn't actually got around to calling out the terrorists or their guiding faith. Fucking coward. Speaking of which.

SZvan and Lousy advocate the ostrich defense against inconvenient world events.

http://i.imgur.com/UjoyKta.jpg

Does that include looking the other way when someone wears a Halloween costume you don't like? As was suggested in that email?

#32515

deLurch wrote:
Syrian passport found next to body of Paris attack suicide bomber, confirm police
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/14/syrian-pa ... e-5501658/

I think France and other countries will need a bit more of a controlled border entry system for immigrants and refugees. False flag passport or not, planned terrorists may carry them.

This is what I don't get: why were they carrying passports? In case they got stopped by immigration officials who wouldn't notice the suicide vests and assault rifles?

They clearly weren't expecting to flee the country afterwards either.

They wanted their passports found - but why?

#32516

Soapy Stevens wrote:If they did go after that gig deliberately, I'd guess it was for the album/poster artwork which is a partial homage to the Sticky Fingers sleeve. It's got two triggers for the fundamentalist Salafist moralist who takes everything literally – partially undressed woman who is making the sign of the devil's horns over her crotch.

Or perhaps they saw the English language words, or phrases in the name?

Or otherwise correctly identified an area with America targets?

#32517

Shatterface wrote:Completely random question. Why does a cuckoo egg look nothing like the eggs of the birds who they parasite on?

Wouldn't there be selective pressure to produce eggs that look like the host species?

I don't think honeybanders applies much pressure at all. The eggs have a way of falling out of elyse on their own. It makes sense that there is no morphology in common with the cuckood male.

#32518

Shatterface wrote:
This is what I don't get: why were they carrying passports? In case they got stopped by immigration officials who wouldn't notice the suicide vests and assault rifles?

They clearly weren't expecting to flee the country afterwards either.

They wanted their passports found - but why?

Because they might provide concrete evidence that it truly was ISIS that made the attack?

#32519

Ericb wrote:
another lurker wrote:More fuckwits on this thread too:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... 2359524266

Anyone who blames Islam and not western imperialism is a "wingnut"

So this attack ( ) must have been caused by African imperialism.

No.

Everything can be traced back to western imperialism.

The only reason there is any disharmony in the world is because of white people. If not for white people, the natives would all be

http://i.imgur.com/pfjOCSj.jpg*

*Citation provided for Kiwi, who has exacting standards.

#32520

Also the passports would enable to names of the "martrys" to be splashed across the world and speed their way to paradise.