Brive1987 wrote:Brive1987 wrote:In other words do you think the three in the pit with broken ribs, cracked skulls got these injuries in the largely intact tent and then traveled with them down the hill etc. I thought most people saw a correlation between the pit and the injuries?
If so how or why would 1 man be responsible for getting these to the pit and looking after them while the others mooched about the fire? I guess I can see some logic if the pit was 'only' 75 metres from the tree.
It's refreshing to have another theory to ponder.
Actually, the more I think of it the more I like it.
The trick is now to convince:
The tent was damaged worryingly by external forces sufficient to injure the three campers.
The injuries (broken ribs, fractured skulls) were consistent with the proposed scenario.
Injured people could actually get physically from tent to pit in their condition.
That's its logical to on the one hand have sufficient panic to leave without everyone having shoes on or any supplies, but on the other hand there was sufficient presence of mind to strike out on a plan to get to the cache while supporting 3 critically injured team members .....
The idea of spearing off into the night, unprepared, with injured team members in tow must be a candidate for *worst idea in hindsight ever*.
Sorry, I will go back over your other posts on this, but I think the theory that a relatively small truck-sized slide injured some of those in the tent and the others retreated as far as they thought they would safe from an avalanche, even if the chance of an actual full-scale avalanche was unlikely.
See, the problem here is that the solution involves human psychology as much as physical evidence. If you read the work on "woodshock" by Lawrence Gonzales, people in these situations often do what seems, in hindsight to be terribly irrational things by people who have a long time to ponder a situation they themselves are not in.
You have a group of very young sport tourists doing the 1950s Soviet version of "extreme sports". They are literally "off the map" because no one had taken this route before. They are cold, tired, hungry, just getting ready to eat and bed down, having taken off their boots and awkward cloth wrapping and other primitive, mostly home-grown gear, laid out their packs to insulate the tent floor, when this big-assed bit of hard layered snow slide takes out three of them resulting in horrible, painful injuries. They bug out, having to cut the tent from the inside and although fearful, they make an orderly retreat, perhaps doing something "dumb" but no dumber than what people do on a regular basis, re: a series of dumb errors that results in some guy having to cut his own arm off and they make a movie about it, for example. By the time they figure out they are weighed down with injured and everyone else is dying too and the feared avalanche didn't come to pass, it's just too late.
Other mysteries are just misapprehending physical processes, like why Dubinina, et al were in that creek. Obviously it wasn't a creek when they went into the ravine. It only became a creek during the melt and in the months before they found the bodies they were covered by snowfall and being heavier than the surrounding snow, settled. Dubinina's tongue missing could be scavengers, decomposition or the fact she was found kneeling face-first in a mini-waterfall, although there's no indication that was the position she died in.
Now Alexander Kolevatov was the last person to look after the injured, but not the only one, as Dyatlov, Slodobin and Kolmogorova were found wearing some items taken off Doroshenko and Krivonischenko, mostly improvised footwear. They probably tended to the injured Dubinina, Thibeaux-Brignolles and Zolotariov them until they made a try to return to the tent for equipment. Likely Alexander Kolevatov was the last man standing as he was a superb athlete, a marathon runner and, coming from a relatively well-off background had better gear (for example, he was the only one with proper ski boots), even if he lost his top layer and boots in the tent.
