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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:
Gefan wrote:[.youtube]BUxdpJne0VU[/youtube]

Wherein:

"Operation Delete Fucking Everything" rolls on.
The stars of the Peezus Youth witness their leader's grief at a tragic loss.
:clap: :lol: :clap:

Fucking brilliant.
I've only done one of these, but I still have a pretty good idea of what it takes to make one that both goes with the scene AND lampoons your target(s). It's not as easy as it might appear. Bravo.
Thank you! In fairness, though, baboon comedy pretty much writes itself.

There is only one more left, and it is locked away, quietly waiting the moment PZ publishes a retraction...

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Parody Accountant wrote:
My friend's roommate was there, and he sent me an email about this incident.

"Michael Shermer was driving the Star Destroyer. Shermer had stolen it moments earlier. I didn't report it, because I was in shock.

I feel like a green triangle, and my cousin is a banana. Also suicide."
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Southern wrote:
yomomma wrote:Not sure how I missed this before, but Creative Pooper wrote a blog post about how he's falling on the sword for feminism:

http://www.freezepage.com/1376929451OTYDKVRZIX

Weird thing is, he says he's never even been to a skeptic event, but claims in his original suicide note, that Shermer raped him at TAM 6.

I guess the SJW are really making an impact on the most emotionally stable.
If that's the standard of evidence PZ Myers got to accuse Shermer...
There you go with your fucking privilege again. You are using the rape culture enablers' definition of "being there". In SJW parlance we must be aware of the needs, and sensibilities of those who are with us in spirit, as to not show this consideration is ableism, what about those who don't relate to their meat mass, and exist outside of it?

If shermer didn't take this into consideration, he very well may have raped this victim.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:
My friend's roommate was there, and he sent me an email about this incident.

"Michael Shermer was driving the Star Destroyer. Shermer had stolen it moments earlier. I didn't report it, because I was in shock.

I feel like a green triangle, and my cousin is a banana. Also suicide."
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Nope. Dallas, the creativeshitter.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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With there being a lot of accusations against Shermer, no really verifiable facts, I thought this might fill in a bit, at least about who is involved. A post by Driver:
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 18 2013,00:38)
So you agree that it is not 100% certain that the alleged event even happened?

You know what will really knock me down, Kevin? Ask me if I was there.
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ik ... ntry225945

Later he asks, and Kristine Harley, who I'm nearly certain is "Driver" writes "whoosh." It would seem that she's claiming that she was there (the friend?) in a deniable sort of way. I don't think it does anything to add to credibility of the claims, as she's apparently a thoroughly commited PZite, complete with all of the sloganeering and selectivity, but it might at least suggest why she's acts so incorrigibly idiotic on that thread.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Hey Popehat,
Since you crawl through these forums, I've got a question for you. Earlier, you had stated that if a woman claimed she was raped or harassed at one of these conventions, that you would be more than happy to step forward to find legal support for her. That certainly seemed like a reasonable thing to do. I am a bit surprised you dove into this since you are just kind of backing anonymous slander/libel (you are the lawyer, you tell me) from people that have a long venomous history of dishing it out without a strong basis in reality. But hey, it's your own time. You are free to use it as you wish. Since Paul Myers has claimed that 6 different women have come to him all with the same allegations, why are you not seeking to assist these 6 women in finding legal remedies? Because if the allegations are true, you know it needs to be taken to a criminal court.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Gumby wrote:There's a SJW apologist nymmed "Cambo13") running rampant through the comment section of Tf00t's latest vid (a must see, if you haven't already) who perfectly encapsulates the SJW brainwashing and lack of critical thought that the FtBers are trying to flood the atheist and skeptic community with. Here, I engage him for a bit but won't bother continuing, because I know from experience it's useless trying to reason with religious fundamentalists.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... aa8fab.jpg

So apparently, people pointing out that Shermer is being libeled and not being granted due process is evidence of "rape culture".

:doh:
'Your denial of [INSERT NEOLOGISM HERE] is proof that [NEOLOGISM] exists.'

Sweet, huh?
A slight variation of the standard Kafkatrap. I refer to ESR:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

"One very notable pathology is a form of argument that, reduced to essence, runs like this: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” I’ve been presented with enough instances of this recently that I’ve decided that it needs a name. I call this general style of argument “kafkatrapping”, and the above the Model A kafkatrap."

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Lsuoma wrote:
welch wrote:
SPACKlick wrote: Not the first time it's happened, probably won't be the last time. no sympathies needed, the update was useful though, thanks.

by the way, side benefit to masturbating with ambidextrously, when I break arms I'm always used to typing one handed. Last time I broke my left I was knackered.
On the whole, I'm glad that I've only been hit by cars and vans. I happily give you the "hit by the biggest vehicle without dying" award.
I once took a Star Destroyer to the knee.
Victory-, Imperator- or Executor- class?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Steersman wrote:And the field of crochet has been stagnated for how long now? Imagine the progress in crochet that could have been made, had men not been excluded!
Crochet needs to imitate the vanguard in needlepoint:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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welch wrote:
SPACKlick wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:Spacklick, I am very sorry to hear you were hit by a bus even though the way you just tacked the fact onto the end of your comment made it slightly hilarious.
Not the first time it's happened, probably won't be the last time. no sympathies needed, the update was useful though, thanks.

by the way, side benefit to masturbating with ambidextrously, when I break arms I'm always used to typing one handed. Last time I broke my left I was knackered.
On the whole, I'm glad that I've only been hit by cars and vans. I happily give you the "hit by the biggest vehicle without dying" award.
Happily indeed! I can only claim a Buick.

Hmmm... Would a bus moving at 30 mph hitting an object of much lower mass transfer more or less kinetic energy than two objects of unmatched mass meeting at a closing velocity of 80 mph.... :whistle:

:lol: sorry, couldn't resist. SPACKlick, hope you mend quickly!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima, size queen of FTB, ponders a difficult question.
There's another potential answer to Taslima's "Problem":
[youtube]TfHqv8YAA9w[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Rope apologist wrote:With there being a lot of accusations against Shermer, no really verifiable facts, I thought this might fill in a bit, at least about who is involved. A post by Driver:
Whomever that is, they're still actively dodging the question. With every passing day I'm become more suspicious that this whole affair is a load of bollocks. I don't mind admitting I'm wrong if that happens to be the case, but when I see someone being so smugly duplicitous, I have to wonder.

The idea that a blog post can be simultaneously libelous and ineffective as a tool for protecting women is also intellectual porridge of the highest order; the latter of course being predicated on the accused actually being guilty.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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And you all thought we were corhholios, no sir, we are maintaining the standards of discourse, that you would expect from the office of the president of the United states.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Feckin feck

[youtube]j-NML8fjDC0[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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JudgeFudge wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima, size queen of FTB, ponders a difficult question.
There's another potential answer to Taslima's "Problem":
[youtube]TfHqv8YAA9w[/youtube]
Dude! Does she even lift?

http://i.imgur.com/52vh2Tk.jpg

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Back in the old days, people wrote stupid short messages on signs and waited all day for anyone to give a shit. Then Twitter was invented.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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SPACKlick wrote:
Dave wrote:
SPACKlick wrote: I should mention I make a point of stepping out in front of moving vehicles that fail to use their indicators. Usually I can roll with it, this bus, was exiting a roundabout indicating right and didn't slow as much for the turn as it should and swung way to the right, so it hit me much closer to 30 than I was expecting and from a different angle.
I suppose we all need a hobby, but this one seems a bit more intense than stamp collecting.
It can get a bit intense, usually the car stops and the driver yells something and I make a very apologetic "Oh I'm so sorry I didn't see you were coming this way because the little orange lights on your car weren't working. You might one to have a garage look at them, or a doctor if the failure was that your hand couldn't press the switch or a psychologist if you think you're too good to press it yourself. Do travel safely now".

It just really bugs me when drivers don't indicate. I've had near misses more often when it wasn't intentional than intentional. And it's only once been a serious injury. Lorry full of sheep drove over my leg after i'd been knocked down by a micra, crushed some nerves, couldn't feel my leg for about a month and a half. Pissed me off no end because I shoulda landed on my feet off a micra, amiright?
Are you fucking mental?


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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SPACKlick wrote:
Dave wrote:
SPACKlick wrote: I should mention I make a point of stepping out in front of moving vehicles that fail to use their indicators. Usually I can roll with it, this bus, was exiting a roundabout indicating right and didn't slow as much for the turn as it should and swung way to the right, so it hit me much closer to 30 than I was expecting and from a different angle.
I suppose we all need a hobby, but this one seems a bit more intense than stamp collecting.
It can get a bit intense, usually the car stops and the driver yells something and I make a very apologetic "Oh I'm so sorry I didn't see you were coming this way because the little orange lights on your car weren't working. You might one to have a garage look at them, or a doctor if the failure was that your hand couldn't press the switch or a psychologist if you think you're too good to press it yourself. Do travel safely now".

It just really bugs me when drivers don't indicate. I've had near misses more often when it wasn't intentional than intentional. And it's only once been a serious injury. Lorry full of sheep drove over my leg after i'd been knocked down by a micra, crushed some nerves, couldn't feel my leg for about a month and a half. Pissed me off no end because I shoulda landed on my feet off a micra, amiright?
Are you Jerry Seinfield?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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JudgeFudge wrote:There's another potential answer to Taslima's "Problem":
[youtube]TfHqv8YAA9w [ /youtube]
[youtube]53eaUZGY4xA[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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FrankGrimes wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:Forget Shermer; this case of self-plagiarism is much more serious.

No, not really, but how ethical is it for an author to urge people to pre-order a book that is largely made up of old, freely available material, without telling this up front? It doesn’t look good, if you ask me. I would have felt cheated if I had bought the book.
PZ Myers wrote:The excellent news: I have received the copy-edited manuscript of my book-to-be, The Happy Atheist , from Pantheon. After many delays, it’s finally going to happen for sure! Go pre-order your copy now! Buy buy buy buy buy!
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ence-here/
I'll be writing to the publisher. Might take a while as I've procured the services of my father for advice - an expert in "get off my lawn," Henry Root style letters. These things take a while.
I'd like to see how you pull that off, as you don't even own the damned book. It would be like complaining to a grocer about a mouldy orange that you didn't buy. :D

Peezus now has a post up in which he directs his readers to a site where they can get a preview of The Happy Shithead Plagiarist Atheist. Why doesn't he just link to one of the 26 old posts that he copy-pasted for his masterpiece?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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yomomma wrote:
Badger3k wrote:
That thought just struck me reading yours - if there is a rape culture, and we excuse (or celebrate) the men who do it, then what do they think when people like Shermer take action against such allegations? Are they doing it just to keep up the fiction that society (ie Patriarchy) despises rape? I really can't wrap my head around what they might be thinking (and that assumes they are instead of just reacting emotionally), and that may be a good thing.
Stating a FACT has gotten me blocked, ridiculed and banned on various "skeptic" forums with a significant A+ population.

The fact is, rape has fallen more than 60% in the U.S. by almost 60% in the last 10 years (U.S. Department of Justice). But you're not allowed to state the truth because it's at odds with their wholly political agenda. Surely, if there was a rape culture, we would not see this type of decline, no?

There is currently a battle as to whether skepticism continues as an organization based on testing claims or an organization of ideology. Oddly, the A+'ers reconcile this notion by claiming that if you're smart enough to call bullshit on homeopathic medicine (because that is the conclusion of a rocket scientist, don'tchya know), it will undoubtedly lead you to the only righteous political conclusions because with that type of enlightenment, there is a responsibility to take that intelligence and turn it into advocacy for all the dumbfucks out there that need their help. It's a God complex of the highest order. (My armchair psychiatric analyses suggests that it's more of an issue of self esteem and confidence, or lack thereof.)

What perplexes me, is the A+ movement continuing to try to infiltrate and take over the skeptic "movement" when they've created their own organization. PZ has denounced skepticism, so why do they keep coming back to throw rocks? Why can't they just break off and let the free market (yep, I have some Libertarian leanings as well -- sue me) take over? If people want to focus on a tribal group think, then go over there. For people interested in the sciences and the scientific method, stay here. If they are so right and justified, people will flock to their brilliance and skepticism as we know it will go out of business.

Now it's just become political football, with the key players playing the role of David Axelrod.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... al-assault
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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yomomma wrote:
welch wrote:
yep.

however, as you've seen, anything like even "you know, they do make a few good points" is OMG YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE LIBERTARIAN!!!!
Don't I know it. If you're a Libertarian (or agree with any Libertarians), you're also a rapist. I don't know how this leap was made or why, but it's the antithesis of everything that is supposed to be rational and skeptic. All of Twitter, I keep seeing people who use Shermer's Libertarian leanings as further evidence that he is a serial rapists. It's mind numbing.
I think it's because many of the most vocal libertarians are also the most retarded. I visited a libertarian pro-life site, and their fucking mission statement was that 'even in the case of rape, the fetus has a RIGHT to be there'

Fuck you libertarian pro-life assholes, fuck you. Extremists are always idiots, however. Nothing wrong with having some libertarian leanings - the SJW's act, however, as if anyone with such leanings, as you said, is a rapey rapey Randian psycho.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.
I almost responded to this, with a genuine rebuttal. What's truly scary. It was so close the arguments of the Cult of PZ, it was indistinguishable.

I was nearly bamboozled.

A very fine troll indeed.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.

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yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.
I make typos and grammatical errors all of the time:P Usually I realize that I could have expressed myself better AFTER I hit submit! But by then it's too late! Oh well, I don't really think the folks here care, as long as one is coherent :P

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Hunt wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Ä uest wrote: It seems odd though. His lawyers must be telling him he has an awesome case, because otherwise they would be telling him to knock it off and do his best to make sure the rest of FTB knocks it off.
Alternatively they might have told him that he's falling out of a tenth floor window with no hope of a gentle landing.
In that case Peezus might just decide that since he's going to be made penniless by his irresponsible action, he might as well get his money's worth. If a tenth floor drop is going to kill him, a twentieth floor drop is hardly less safe.

On the other hand it doesn't appear that he's warning the others to play it safe.

Alternatively, Popehat found nobody to represent him and he's winging it, jumping and hoping the horde, his one and true family outside his children and wife (whom he conveniently forgets to consider when ruminating about conference sex propositions), will catch him.
We can go on all we like about the legal aspects of the case, but aside from all that is the will of the participants to continue. Honest lawyers will likely try to talk you out of most litigation, and the earlier they try to do that, the more honest they are likely to be. Everyone in the game knows that Court is a "crap shoot" (if you're US, or "crap chute" if your just a cynic). There's really no such thing as an open and shut case and that might be what popehat was kidding about in his brain fart tweet (no, I don't think so either), which would make popehat look like as cynical a lawyer as they come, instead of just humour impaired.

Anyway, there is either some negotiating going on, or there isn't. The longer it goes, the more advantage to PZ since his alleged libel remains in place and he gets to elaborate it, via his business network, though he will hope this is deniable.

Shermer's people must know this and, having sent the C&D they will, rightly, argue Shermer must continue or lose all credibility - he'd actually be much worse off than if he'd said nothing. Shermer's options are to focus on PZ and the small band of people around him that have financial or other ties, or to go full on after everyone who repeats PZ's claims. The latter will be expensive, and may make him look vindictive if done badly.

I wouldn't put too much stock by that apparently whiney post by PZ lamenting his woes - it was chaff and link spam - typical FTB then.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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another lurker wrote:
I think it's because many of the most vocal libertarians are also the most retarded. I visited a libertarian pro-life site, and their fucking mission statement was that 'even in the case of rape, the fetus has a RIGHT to be there'

Fuck you libertarian pro-life assholes, fuck you. Extremists are always idiots, however. Nothing wrong with having some libertarian leanings - the SJW's act, however, as if anyone with such leanings, as you said, is a rapey rapey Randian psycho.
That's because it appears that you mistakenly believe that Ron Paul, Alex Jones and Lew Rockwell are the voices of the Libertarian movement, instead of seeing them for what they are -- crackertarians who have taken over the Libertarian ideology for the same reasons the SJW are trying to take over skepticism -- to further their own agendas.

Here's a photo from an extremely micro facebook parody site, which seeks to mock the reeree Libertariantards you speak it. It makes fun of all those "South will rise again" Libertariantards:


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yomomma wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.
I almost responded to this, with a genuine rebuttal. What's truly scary. It was so close the arguments of the Cult of PZ, it was indistinguishable.

I was nearly bamboozled.


A very fine troll indeed.
Shit yeah! You think I could make this stuff up? I think it was Brecht, or somesuch, who observed that, in an absurd world, it is only necessary to be accurate in order to become aburd oneself.

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another lurker wrote:
yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.
I make typos and grammatical errors all of the time:P Usually I realize that I could have expressed myself better AFTER I hit submit! But by then it's too late! Oh well, I don't really think the folks here care, as long as one is coherent :P
Preview is your friend. But, personally, I hate the bastard because then I have to read the crap I've written.

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Gefan wrote:[youtube]BUxdpJne0VU[/youtube]

Wherein:

"Operation Delete Fucking Everything" rolls on.
The stars of the Peezus Youth witness their leader's grief at a tragic loss.
It just keeps getting better! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Cunning Punt wrote:Love this one:
Analogy fail. :handgestures-thumbdown:

On several levels.

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:We can go on all we like about the legal aspects of the case, but aside from all that is the will of the participants to continue. Honest lawyers will likely try to talk you out of most litigation, and the earlier they try to do that, the more honest they are likely to be. Everyone in the game knows that Court is a "crap shoot" (if you're US, or "crap chute" if your just a cynic). There's really no such thing as an open and shut case and that might be what popehat was kidding about in his brain fart tweet (no, I don't think so either), which would make popehat look like as cynical a lawyer as they come, instead of just humour impaired.

Anyway, there is either some negotiating going on, or there isn't. The longer it goes, the more advantage to PZ since his alleged libel remains in place and he gets to elaborate it, via his business network, though he will hope this is deniable.

Shermer's people must know this and, having sent the C&D they will, rightly, argue Shermer must continue or lose all credibility - he'd actually be much worse off than if he'd said nothing. Shermer's options are to focus on PZ and the small band of people around him that have financial or other ties, or to go full on after everyone who repeats PZ's claims. The latter will be expensive, and may make him look vindictive if done badly.
Paul Myer's character assassination directly targets Shermer's reputation and income. Shermer, assuming he did not, do what he is accused of, may have no choice but to pay the legal costs to clear up his reputation. Think about the opportunity cost for Shermer of a completely nuked career. Suddenly an expensive legal battle, although expensive makes more fiscal sense.

On the flip side, I wonder how much more sense to would make to pay a PR firm or tactician to navigate this mess than to dump it all into lawyers.

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AnonymousCowherd wrote: Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

I'm taking this as sarcasm. Or a Poe. Or ironically pointing out current femsplaining. Because otherwise it's the stupidest thing I've read in two weeks, including the crap from Pope Myers. And I find it difficult to jump to the conclusion anyone could actually believe that.

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There's a mini drama explosion going on with some of the FC clowns right now. It looks like JT Eberhard is going to spend the day getting his ass whooped because he's run afoul of the Intent is Not Magic law.

He attended an atheist convention when this happened:

http://i.imgur.com/XPeZcLK.png

JT walked out during Bria's rant. Later he talked to her about it -- meaning he ate a lot of shit, as is proper when speaking to an angry oppressed person -- but stuck to his objections. He did the same when challenged on Twitter. Then he did a loooong write-up on his blog and committed seppuku at the end: he questioned the wisdom of call-out culture and the disproportionate beatdowns for trivial offenses in his community.

Naturally, Rebecca immediately sensed which way the mob was headed and deftly slid to the front, while Crommie and Dillahunty sniped at each other:

http://i.imgur.com/UzzhFxS.png

Fluffy Jen, eager to wear her Big Girl Pants in public, is expressing offense from every angle and shoehorning "White CIS male" into as many tweets as she can. Here's one:

http://i.imgur.com/meVEufo.png

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:
yomomma wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.
I almost responded to this, with a genuine rebuttal. What's truly scary. It was so close the arguments of the Cult of PZ, it was indistinguishable.

I was nearly bamboozled.


A very fine troll indeed.
Shit yeah! You think I could make this stuff up? I think it was Brecht, or somesuch, who observed that, in an absurd world, it is only necessary to be accurate in order to become aburd oneself.
So, failed on the accuracy anyway. Absurd.

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Return of the Weekly World News with fresh Peezoid insanity! A two-fer! :lol:

I've missed that old rag. Thanks!!

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loved all the puns, too.

Good shit!

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
The Tim Channel wrote:Quick point of order. Help from the FTB experts.

Remember when PZ used to Pharnygulate polls? He could point at a national poll and do some pretty serious damage. I used to be part of that army.

Does he still do that? Does he even have the web traffic to support that kind of thing anymore?

Or is he left with trying to individually Pharnygulate single enemies, one at a time, through focused gossip, rumor, innuendo and false charges?

Just curious.

Enjoy.
His blog-hits are so poor at the minute I doubt his horde could pharyngulate their own polls. Or something...
If they keep pharyngulating their own polls, they'll go blind.

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JudgeFudge wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Steersman wrote:And the field of crochet has been stagnated for how long now? Imagine the progress in crochet that could have been made, had men not been excluded!
Crochet needs to imitate the vanguard in needlepoint:
rosey-grier.jpg
OH GODS DAMNIT TO HELL!

I know have that fucking song he wrote, to help men not feel so macho all the time, "It's all right to cry" stuck in my head. I only know of it because my elementary school music teacher thought the little maniacs might be helped by it. EVERY DAY FOR A MONTH...Rosie Grier singing "It's all right to cryyyyyy"

It worked. We were all crying every time she played it.

No, really, it's as horrible as it sounds, from the opening up-pants shot:

[youtube]Y52bs0aX6v8[/youtube]

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Ape+lust wrote:There's a mini drama explosion going on with some of the FC clowns right now. It looks like JT Eberhard is going to spend the day getting his ass whooped because he's run afoul of the Intent is Not Magic law.

He attended an atheist convention when this happened:

http://i.imgur.com/XPeZcLK.png

JT walked out during Bria's rant. Later he talked to her about it -- meaning he ate a lot of shit, as is proper when speaking to an angry oppressed person -- but stuck to his objections. He did the same when challenged on Twitter. Then he did a loooong write-up on his blog and committed seppuku at the end: he questioned the wisdom of call-out culture and the disproportionate beatdowns for trivial offenses in his community.

Naturally, Rebecca immediately sensed which way the mob was headed and deftly slid to the front, while Crommie and Dillahunty sniped at each other:

http://i.imgur.com/UzzhFxS.png

Fluffy Jen, eager to wear her Big Girl Pants in public, is expressing offense from every angle and shoehorning "White CIS male" into as many tweets as she can. Here's one:

http://i.imgur.com/meVEufo.png
Crom vs Dillahunty a debate moderated by Rebecca Watson.



let's see whose side is more appealing... hmmm. Maybe Taslima is onto something.

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deLurch wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:We can go on all we like about the legal aspects of the case, but aside from all that is the will of the participants to continue. Honest lawyers will likely try to talk you out of most litigation, and the earlier they try to do that, the more honest they are likely to be. Everyone in the game knows that Court is a "crap shoot" (if you're US, or "crap chute" if your just a cynic). There's really no such thing as an open and shut case and that might be what popehat was kidding about in his brain fart tweet (no, I don't think so either), which would make popehat look like as cynical a lawyer as they come, instead of just humour impaired.

Anyway, there is either some negotiating going on, or there isn't. The longer it goes, the more advantage to PZ since his alleged libel remains in place and he gets to elaborate it, via his business network, though he will hope this is deniable.

Shermer's people must know this and, having sent the C&D they will, rightly, argue Shermer must continue or lose all credibility - he'd actually be much worse off than if he'd said nothing. Shermer's options are to focus on PZ and the small band of people around him that have financial or other ties, or to go full on after everyone who repeats PZ's claims. The latter will be expensive, and may make him look vindictive if done badly.
Paul Myer's character assassination directly targets Shermer's reputation and income. Shermer, assuming he did not, do what he is accused of, may have no choice but to pay the legal costs to clear up his reputation. Think about the opportunity cost for Shermer of a completely nuked career. Suddenly an expensive legal battle, although expensive makes more fiscal sense.

On the flip side, I wonder how much more sense to would make to pay a PR firm or tactician to navigate this mess than to dump it all into lawyers.
I agree Shermer had little option to continue what he started. If I was him, and the claims were baseless, I would be going all out for PZ and any other target in range. His problem is becoming that, by negotiating for too long, or at all, he will allow some to decide that maybe the claims aren't baseless and that is why he's hesitating. Yes, that's unfair and unfounded, but it is a problem of perception. The trouble with a PR firm now is that it look's like a backdown, and PZ will take it as carte blache to go on making accusations when and where he likes. Keeping the PR firm on the books for months and years may well be a lot more expensive, and less effective, than the lawyers. But it's Shermer's money, and Shermer's call.

Frankly, I think the "get it off the front page and bury it" is a concession to take the heat out of it and maybe see if everyone calms down. But if PZ gets away with it, no-one will be safe from his accusations or insinuations. The only question will be, who want's to stump the bucks (and the time, effort, and anxiety) to slap him down. At the minute, I think PZ is betting it's not Shermer.

For Shermer's sake (again assuming innocence), I hope PZ is wrong. But it will depend on what, exactly, Shermer wants.

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Parody Accountant wrote:Crom vs Dillahunty a debate moderated by Rebecca Watson.



let's see whose side is more appealing... hmmm. Maybe Taslima is onto something.
So Crommie has unacknowledged privilege... Dillahunty may win this one yet.

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Tribble wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote: Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

I'm taking this as sarcasm. Or a Poe. Or ironically pointing out current femsplaining. Because otherwise it's the stupidest thing I've read in two weeks, including the crap from Pope Myers. And I find it difficult to jump to the conclusion anyone could actually believe that.

All three. Yomomma got it, up thread. I thought the "falsifiability" bit gave it away, but maybe not?

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Ape+lust wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:BTW. My fave tweet so far:
Did you see Patton Oswalt fuck with everybody's head on Twitter this weekend?

http://hypervocal.com/entertainment/201 ... t-twitter/
I love it.

Colin Quin is still the greatest twitter troll, though.

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IDiot (Meyer, Dembski, etc.) logic:

Functionally complex things are known to be made by intelligence. Life is functionally complex. Therefore life was made by intelligence, screw all of the details that might go against that conclusion.

idiot (Myers, NoR, et al.) logic.

Real rapes are frequently know via testimony (never mind that theirs is hearsay), and real rape claims outnumber fake (at least where prosecution occurs). We have "testimony" (equivocally, not legally), so statistically this should be a real rape claim. Therefore it is rape, screw all of the details that might go against that conclusion.

The main difference is that we actually have the evidence for evolution, and simply lack credible evidence either way in the Shermer charge, but that does nothing to change the fact that stats plus an accusation amount to nothing for any particular case.

Thanks for affirming the methods of the creationists, PZ. You're a disgrace to all real thought (even if he were to have the evidence, his insistence that everyone should just believe him is an insistence that people stop being skeptical--and ethical).

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Early Cuyler wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:Love this one:
Analogy fail. :handgestures-thumbdown:

On several levels.
What the fuck is this even supposed to be an analogy of? I'm seriously at a loss.

Also VAX, pls respond to my latest reply reference the social sciences conversation. All systems are go.

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PZ needs to stir things up fast as the traffic from accusing people of raping is dropping.

http://berryinternet.com.au/graph.png

Here is the longer term graph showing the slow decline

http://berryinternet.com.au/graph1.png

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Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa

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Holy shit, why the fuck did I bother trying to have a discussion with that Damion fellow (under his 'pick a side' post)? He's by all appearances gone off his rocker, assuming he had a rocker in the first place. I don't remember much of his participation here, which took place mostly before I made an account.
Reinhardt wrote:I've looked at the entire list of symptoms and compared it to my years of reading the Pit. Looks like a dead-on lock, with perhaps a few niggling exceptions.
This is the link he included: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#Symptoms
He didn't bother arguing the point.

Also,
Reinhardt wrote:I want you to show me that you've ever once gone against the consensus view in the Pit, on any of their core issues. If you have never done so, you aren't in a particularly good place to make assertions about how they deal with dissent from the party line.
So learning by reading and observation is good enough for him to come to a conclusion, but not good enough for me to come to a conclusion. Funny.

And then he threw down some blah blah about how a true skeptic wouldn't call PZ's libel 'libel' because we don't absolutely know the accusation is false. Apparently 'true' skeptics are argument-to-moderation milquetoast agnostics. Give me a fucking break.

I'm indulging in some venting here and not there because I've spent enough time with him today. Due to my self-appointment as a member who shields the group from dissenting information, I'm not going to bother linking.

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Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa
And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Spence wrote:Just gonna drop these here.




I'm sure thunderf00t will just laugh these off, but if they were pointed at Becky it would be unequivocal evidence of misogyny in the atheist movement and straight on the "page o hate" for maximum victim points.

Funny how different things can be depending on who is doing them, through the eyes of an FTBer...
*shrug*

My response: Whatever man. Fuck. (Die Antwoord)
Just out of curiosity, why would you think those tweets qualify as misandry? I can see that they have some sort of a hate-on for Thunderf00t, but I don’t see that that hate is because he is a man, i.e., because of misandry – “hatred of men” simply because they are men.

Seems rather difficult to actually prove things like misandry or misogyny as it seems to require fairly explicit statements to qualify, like, “all men are pricks”, or “all women are cunts”. Rather analogous, to throw the fox in amongst the chickens again – so to speak, to “all blacks are niggers” which qualifies as racist whereas “Malcolm X is a nigger” isn’t.

But the difficulty of proving that charge is why I think many SJWs – Jason Thibeault, and Sarah Jones, for examples – refuse to actually provide their own definition for “misogyny” as I expect they know their asses are hanging out in the breeze on that point.

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ERV wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa
And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Clearly, you don't care about black people.

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Ape+lust wrote:
ERV wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa
And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Clearly, you don't care about black people.
Wait-- I thought I was a Chill Girl who only did HIV research to get huge, black cock?

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:
another lurker wrote:
yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.
I make typos and grammatical errors all of the time:P Usually I realize that I could have expressed myself better AFTER I hit submit! But by then it's too late! Oh well, I don't really think the folks here care, as long as one is coherent :P
Preview is your friend. But, personally, I hate the bastard because then I have to read the crap I've written.
I use preview about 90% of the time. However, I still miss the small things sometimes. Whenever I fail to use preview I inevitably fuck up the quotes, though :P

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ERV wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
ERV wrote:And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Clearly, you don't care about black people.
Wait-- I thought I was a Chill Girl who only did HIV research to get huge, black cock?
Haha, joke's on you, HIV is a myth. Time to recalibrate your dating strategies. Have you considered just fucking around on the internet? It comes with excellent travel opportunities.

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curriejean wrote:Holy shit, why the fuck did I bother trying to have a discussion with that Damion fellow (under his 'pick a side' post)? He's by all appearances gone off his rocker, assuming he had a rocker in the first place. I don't remember much of his participation here, which took place mostly before I made an account.
Reinhardt wrote:I've looked at the entire list of symptoms and compared it to my years of reading the Pit. Looks like a dead-on lock, with perhaps a few niggling exceptions.
This is the link he included: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#Symptoms
He didn't bother arguing the point.

Also,
Reinhardt wrote:I want you to show me that you've ever once gone against the consensus view in the Pit, on any of their core issues. If you have never done so, you aren't in a particularly good place to make assertions about how they deal with dissent from the party line.
So learning by reading and observation is good enough for him to come to a conclusion, but not good enough for me to come to a conclusion. Funny.

And then he threw down some blah blah about how a true skeptic wouldn't call PZ's libel 'libel' because we don't absolutely know the accusation is false. Apparently 'true' skeptics are argument-to-moderation milquetoast agnostics. Give me a fucking break.

I'm indulging in some venting here and not there because I've spent enough time with him today. Due to my self-appointment as a member who shields the group from dissenting information, I'm not going to bother linking.
Damion started out here comparing the 'pit with FTB and trying to show how similar they were. Even he didn't seem entirely convinced and, the lonegr he participated here, the more he seemed to acknowledge the differences. Then he had a run-in with franc and got caught in a tornado. Not sure which caused the most damage, but he suddenly went all high dudgeon about something and has never recovered.

He is right in one sense though, that PZ's actions are only "alleged libel", no Court has judged it to be so. But what that has to do with being a "real skeptic" s anyone's guess - unless it means taking note of all kinds of legal finesse in everyday conversation.

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ERV wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
ERV wrote:
And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Clearly, you don't care about black people.
Wait-- I thought I was a Chill Girl who only did HIV research to get huge, black cock?
Go on...

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_go_to_school_to ... z1_324.jpg

/dream :character-ariel:

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Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa
Yeah. Tell us about what it's like to be oppressed Jen.

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