Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

[Cold]

The cringefest of Clenched Tentacle Salutes and Cookies continues:

Listening to “Bricks” by Rise Against.

“We’re setting the fires to light the way
We’re burning it all to begin again
With hope in our hearts
And bricks in our hands
We sing for change”

Seems appropriate.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NzNIcCoJjsk/U ... B1%5D.jpeg

[Early Cuyler]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

This reminds me of the end of WWII.

While Germany was in the process of losing on every front, Joseph Goerbels was spending billions of Reichmarks on epic propoganda films that used Wehrmacht soldies taken from the front as extras.

This is the sign of a delusional mind. While the house is burning down, PZ is buying new furniture and re-decorating.

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

And she's on the case:

"anonymous evidence from anyone who thinks they were raped by P.Z. Myers."

*who thinks they were raped*

The subtlety makes it funnier.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Matty C said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 41#p118841):

Neither Elvis, nor Stevie Ray, nor the Wilsons recorded other people's songs but gave themselves credit for writing those songs.

Well, that's sort of not quite true. Beginning a year or two into his extraordinary fame, Elvis was given 50:50 co-writer publishing credit on all the songs he recorded, even though he had quite literaly absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the songs -- such credit contributed enormously to his eventual massive wealth. Giving Elvis the co-writer credit was the only way song writers could get him to record their work.

That's very interesting. I'm guessing this was after Elvis became huge. Do you know, was this a common practice?

fwiw:

Elvis_presley_hound_dog45.JPG

(61.09 KiB) Downloaded 188 times

Also fwiw:

A list of some of the songs Zep stole from other artists:


"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

http://www.warr.org/zep.html

[katamari Damassi]

No sarcasm at all. I support the boycott of all things Russian until their anti gay laws are repealed. Putting some rainbow flags in an ad means fuck all. Start putting pressure and your government and then I'll buy your vodka.

Polish vodka is better anyway

I had a polish vodka at a party once that had a strong maple flavor. It was delicious. For martinis and cocktails I'm happy with Skyy.

[Cunning Punt]

Seconded. Knob Creek in a pinch.

So Southern Comfort's out then?

Yeesh! No! It's SWEET!
I was so shocked, considering how it's ordered in drinks (like a regular bourbon), the first time I tasted it to discover how syrupy it is. /shudder.

I like Woodford. I like this Knob Creek I have, for one you can sip, and also not feel bad about mixing:

http://www.ultimatewineshop.com/images/ ... 174887.jpg

Yeah, I know, I was yanking the chains of the cognoscenti Incidentally I remember various non-privileged Horde people discussing their favorite single malts on Pharyngula once, with one genius stating that it should only only be drunk with spring water from the source used to make the mash.

[Guest]

lunacy

NEVER FORGIVE

NEVER FORGET

WE ARE LE HORDE xD xD xD

EXPECT US!!!11!@@#

Also how autistic do you have to be to go through the enormous shitpile that is The Grenade Thread and manually count posts? These people truly do live in their own little world.

Christ, who posted that?

[Garlic]

lunacy

NEVER FORGIVE

NEVER FORGET

WE ARE LE HORDE xD xD xD

EXPECT US!!!11!@@#

Also how autistic do you have to be to go through the enormous shitpile that is The Grenade Thread and manually count posts? These people truly do live in their own little world.

Christ, who posted that?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670007

[Guest]

Christ, who posted that?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670007

Oh, ok. I thought it might've been that Cerberus nutcase from the Adria Richards thing, or some other familiar wackaloon.

[TheMudbrooker]

So Southern Comfort's out then?

Cough Syrup..

Cough Syrup without the benefit of Codeine....

[Mykeru]

Yeah, I know, I was yanking the chains of the cognoscenti Incidentally I remember various non-privileged Horde people discussing their favorite single malts on Pharyngula once, with one genius stating that it should only only be drunk with spring water from the source used to make the mash.

Well, you know, water has memory. Hey, that would make a great premise of a pseudoscience.

[Rystefn]

Willful ignorance, I should say. Like creationists and libertarians.

Well, at least you have that in common in the SJWs. Libertarianism = ignorance, or in the case of radfems, Libertarianism = rapist.

Whatever. That remark was ignorant.

That remark was a joke. If you can't handle people jokes about your politics, please kill yourself before you start killing other people.

[welch]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

Hey, let's give him the benefit of the dou....

His main pursuit is blending frameworks of secularity and social justice – more than just intersecting actions, he yearns for synthetic secular thought.

Oh christ.

okay, i'm confused. Where's the wage theft in atheism? I mean, he talks about it existing, but I have no clue what he's on about.

[welch]

I went through the Grenade thread again. I wanted to look at that awful thread from a positive point of view. I wanted to count and admire the number of people who cared enough to say thanks to JD, PZ and the Horde.

The numbers:

Posts with clear, unambiguous statements of support for Jane Doe and/or PZ for writing the OP:
154
I should have separated them, but it was really rare for one to be mentioned without the other.

Posts with clear, unambiguous statements of support for the Horde and/or Caine:
110
Again, I should have separated the two, but again it was rare that Caine would be mentioned without a nod to the rest of the Horde.

You are not alone Jane Doe, nor are you PZ.

The number of people came forward with stories of rape and abuse in their lives:
43

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

We will not be silenced.

We will not be stopped.

Fear our voices, fear our anger you misogynist fucks. Your days of easy privilege are over.

NEVER FORGIVE

NEVER FORGET

WE ARE LE HORDE xD xD xD

EXPECT US!!!11!@@#

Also how autistic do you have to be to go through the enormous shitpile that is The Grenade Thread and manually count posts? These people truly do live in their own little world.

WE ARE LEGION

[welch]

The cringefest of Clenched Tentacle Salutes and Cookies continues:

Listening to “Bricks” by Rise Against.

“We’re setting the fires to light the way
We’re burning it all to begin again
With hope in our hearts
And bricks in our hands
We sing for change”

Seems appropriate.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NzNIcCoJjsk/U ... B1%5D.jpeg

FTB Riding Off To Battle, with music:

[youtube]ApxnAr6pRt0[/youtube]

[katamari Damassi]

Yeah, big vodka is gonna win against Putin's repressive cleptocracy. Keep dreaming and lashing out though. As long as it makes you feel better.

Yeah who ever heard of a corrupt government paying attention to a wealthy industry. That's just crazy. And so what if all it does is make me feel better. You act like I owe Russian vodka makers something. I don't owe them shit. And there's plenty of great vodkas out there so I'm not missing out.

[Tapir]

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

So you'll be contacting the police immediately then, yes?

Didn't think so.

[Zenspace]

Yeah, I know, I was yanking the chains of the cognoscenti Incidentally I remember various non-privileged Horde people discussing their favorite single malts on Pharyngula once, with one genius stating that it should only only be drunk with spring water from the source used to make the mash.

Well, you know, water has memory. Hey, that would make a great premise of a pseudoscience.

That is actually a recommendation from at least one of the southern Islay distillers - Laphroaig or Lagavulin if memory serves. It is not presented as a requirement, of course, but an ideal preference, as the local streams that are used in the the creation of that wonderful nectar have a very high peat content which would tend to bolster the inherent smokey peatiness of those particular distillations. If I ever make it into that neck of the woods again, I will certainly give it a try. Of course, it assumes yo uadd water to your single malt in the first place.

I tend not to add any water to my single malts, not even the cask strength versions, although I do on occasion. I prefer the full punch of the stuff most of the time, just take it in small doses!

[Guestinavest]

Hi Slymepit - long time lurker here. Just wanted to share this slice of Alex Garbliel getting rapidly pwned by PETER hitchens. He starts at 13:30 and within 2 minutes gets stopped by the chair a few times. It's fucking unbearable

http://media.premier.org.uk/unbelievabl ... fdfb2d.mp3

[bovarchist]

I'm leaning towards "LibelGate". Maybe we should set up a poll.

My vote is for Shermergate. Or is it Shermergate 2? I have trouble keeping track sometimes. Anyway, there's already a shermergate hashtag on Twitter, so it seems logical.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

lunacy

NEVER FORGIVE

NEVER FORGET

WE ARE LE HORDE xD xD xD

EXPECT US!!!11!@@#

Also how autistic do you have to be to go through the enormous shitpile that is The Grenade Thread and manually count posts? These people truly do live in their own little world.

Christ, who posted that?

Shouldn't that be "l'Horde"?

[katamari Damassi]

Yeah, the whole "boycott everything russian" thing is pretty dumb. Do you boycott everything plastic or anything that runs on petrol? Boycott electricity, so many plants run on russian gas and oil. No need to even bring up all the muslim theocracies, their views on gay rights and the way so many of them are propped up by oil sales.

Ah the old; "You can't solve every problem so you might as well do nothing" tenet. Haven't heard that one in a while. It takes me back.

[welch]

Matty C said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 41#p118841):

Neither Elvis, nor Stevie Ray, nor the Wilsons recorded other people's songs but gave themselves credit for writing those songs.

Well, that's sort of not quite true. Beginning a year or two into his extraordinary fame, Elvis was given 50:50 co-writer publishing credit on all the songs he recorded, even though he had quite literaly absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the songs -- such credit contributed enormously to his eventual massive wealth. Giving Elvis the co-writer credit was the only way song writers could get him to record their work.

That's very interesting. I'm guessing this was after Elvis became huge. Do you know, was this a common practice?

fwiw:

Elvis_presley_hound_dog45.JPG

Also fwiw:

A list of some of the songs Zep stole from other artists:


"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."
"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.
"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).
"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."
"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).
"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."
"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."
"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).
"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.
"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.
"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.
"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.
"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.
"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

http://www.warr.org/zep.html

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

[bovarchist]

OK, I'm skipping the last two pages of comments. Did I miss anything important?

[Roofied_Baboon]

I have not caight up with the thread yet so I'm sure this has been brought up:

http://www.freezepage.com/1376591322XXUUTJMDSN

PZ @72

Oh, I’m already getting tons of rape accusations and all kinds of stories told about me right now.

The thing is, and why I have zero concerns about them, is that none of them are plausible.

The insinuation being that the accusations Shermer is getting are plausible. On what basis are they plausible??

[Jan Steen]

This tells you all you need to know about Alex Gabriel.

I first encountered things like feminism and social justice largely through the atheist scene – I came of age reading Skepchick, Butterflies and Wheels and Greta Christina’s Blog – and I think it’s valuable, vital in fact, to view our movement through those kinds of frameworks. I’m not convinced, though, that it’s enough to switch between discourses as I’ve found myself doing; to blog on atheism some days and queerness others. The most exciting thoughts I’ve had in skepticism have been listening to Pragna Patel, Sikivu Hutchinson or Natalie Reed, in whose work secularity and social justice collide and complete, coherent modes of thinking germinate which speak to both.

Just another pretentious, third rate moron who can't write and who can safely be ignored.

[Humphrey_Hedgehog]

Matty C said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 41#p118841):

Neither Elvis, nor Stevie Ray, nor the Wilsons recorded other people's songs but gave themselves credit for writing those songs.

Well, that's sort of not quite true. Beginning a year or two into his extraordinary fame, Elvis was given 50:50 co-writer publishing credit on all the songs he recorded, even though he had quite literaly absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the songs -- such credit contributed enormously to his eventual massive wealth. Giving Elvis the co-writer credit was the only way song writers could get him to record their work.

That's very interesting. I'm guessing this was after Elvis became huge. <trim>

Actually it was during the 'Elvis: slim and donut free' period, :rimshot:

I wonder why the Beatles never got fat (apart from Ringo).

[Angry_Drunk]

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

So you'll be contacting the police immediately then, yes?

Didn't think so.

Ye gods that "...act like the catholic Church..." line they trot out is fucktarded. The complaint against the papists is that they (badly) handled allegations of sexual misconduct internally rather than throwing the kid-fuckers to the police. So what is the SJW wing of the skeptical movement's response to allegations of sexual misconduct? Handle them internally (badly).

[Humphrey_Hedgehog]

OK, I'm skipping the last two pages of comments. Did I miss anything important?

Yes.

[Southern]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

[Rope apologist]

It’s especially important that you don’t walk past the standard set by the powerful men in the movement.--The Zed

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Not that he's so powerful any more, but an increasingly good warning against following his sort.

[katamari Damassi]

I was just thinking I haven't seen a Peezus and O in a long time.

[katamari Damassi]

OK, I'm skipping the last two pages of comments. Did I miss anything important?

Yes.

There's quite the discussion over whether the Monkees wrote their own songs.

[katamari Damassi]

This tells you all you need to know about Alex Gabriel.

I first encountered things like feminism and social justice largely through the atheist scene – I came of age reading Skepchick, Butterflies and Wheels and Greta Christina’s Blog – and I think it’s valuable, vital in fact, to view our movement through those kinds of frameworks. I’m not convinced, though, that it’s enough to switch between discourses as I’ve found myself doing; to blog on atheism some days and queerness others. The most exciting thoughts I’ve had in skepticism have been listening to Pragna Patel, Sikivu Hutchinson or Natalie Reed, in whose work secularity and social justice collide and complete, coherent modes of thinking germinate which speak to both.

Just another pretentious, third rate moron who can't write and who can safely be ignored.

I don't know, this has the potential for hilarity. This person learned at the feet of such minds as Ophie, Reed, bad porn lady, and Discount Angela Davis.

[Rope apologist]

I'm leaning towards "LibelGate". Maybe we should set up a poll.

My vote is for Shermergate. Or is it Shermergate 2? I have trouble keeping track sometimes. Anyway, there's already a shermergate hashtag on Twitter, so it seems logical.

The PZ Mire (or Mires).

Or A Bunch of Cunts Acting Cuntishly. OK, that's just a fuck you to the righteous ones.

[Tribble]

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

Actually, they're not the same at all. The Catholic Church was quite well aware of the problem and chose (wrongly) to handle it internally, thus leading to pedophile priests being moved around and victims silenced. Eventually some people started suing. That is, they took their accusations to court and WON on the facts. Over time, that spurred more-and-more suits, which victims kept winning. Eventually the proven allegations and outrage broke the dam and the Catholic Church not only paid out, but their reputation, based on the proven facts, was damaged.

OTOH, while nobody denies things like rape and sexual harassment occur, this 'trial-by-innuendo-and-rumor' is nothing more than a high-tech lynching done by a group of thugs. Thugs who not only refuse to entertain the possibility of Shermer's innocence, but refuse to even respect the rights and personhood of others to remain open-minded and demand that either proof is put on or the lurid claims are retracted as unproven defamation.

[Mykeru]

I'm leaning towards "LibelGate". Maybe we should set up a poll.

My vote is for Shermergate. Or is it Shermergate 2? I have trouble keeping track sometimes. Anyway, there's already a shermergate hashtag on Twitter, so it seems logical.

No. No NO.

"Shermergate" makes it sound like this is about Shermer. It's not. He was just there and convenient.

I stand by my original characterization of the rising witch hunts of "proven rapists" as "Rape-A-Palooza"

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

That remark was a joke. If you can't handle people jokes about your politics, please kill yourself before you start killing other people.

Oh.

[Angry_Drunk]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

[Tribble]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

I get a bit of a smile. In the US, you can't 'rip off' songs as long as the people who wrote those songs get their royalties. You can engage in copyright infringement if you take too much of a song and don't credit and pay royalties. But as long as you pay royalties, you can cover any song ever made that's still under copyright with no qualms.

You have two options:

1. Negotiated license. (Non-standard royalty rates and provisions IAW negotiated contract.)
2. Mechanical license. (Standard royalty rates and provisions IAW industry guidelines.)

[Cold]

That number is the most significant. It shows that the crack in dam is spreading, and that you’ve created a space where people feel safe enough to tell of their awful experiences. It shows that we will not take the fucking Catholic Church’s lead on how to handle the issue of sexual misconduct within this movement.

Actually, they're not the same at all. The Catholic Church was quite well aware of the problem and chose (wrongly) to handle it internally, thus leading to pedophile priests being moved around and victims silenced. Eventually some people started suing. That is, they took their accusations to court and WON on the facts. Over time, that spurred more-and-more suits, which victims kept winning. Eventually the proven allegations and outrage broke the dam and the Catholic Church not only paid out, but their reputation, based on the proven facts, was damaged.

OTOH, while nobody denies things like rape and sexual harassment occur, this 'trial-by-innuendo-and-rumor' is nothing more than a high-tech lynching done by a group of thugs. Thugs who not only refuse to entertain the possibility of Shermer's innocence, but refuse to even respect the rights and personhood of others to remain open-minded and demand that either proof is put on or the lurid claims are retracted as unproven defamation.

The entire thread is continuing on like that, it has to be seen to be believed.

Each new comment is worse than the last.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... an-update/

[real horrorshow]

PZ just recruited a new FtBer, Alex Gabriel.

http://www.freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness

He sounds a right cunt.

[Mykeru]

common knowledge, annnnnd....who cares?

Nor do I care how many times heart ripped off other people. Or did you think that riff in "Barracuda" was original? or how many people have ripped off bo diddley over and over, or Gary Bonds?

Rock music more than almost any other genre is theft writ large. It's always been that way, and I doubt it will change.

However, it's also what they do with it.

To be fair, welch, some of the artists Zeppelin ripped off where Black blues musicians, during a time racism was still very well and strong. If a popular band like Zeppelin called attention to those musicians, maybe tht would have helped mitigate the stygma that "those damn niggers fools are good-for-nothing" that the honkies cultivated back then.

Then again, it could have made things worse, or it could have made fucking difference at all. I don't know. My point is, ripping off is, in the immortal words of Ke$ha, "a mega-douche" move. Yeah, I said it, and I WILL NOT retract myself, even if you send me a C&D letter. I'll burn the bridges with the skeptic movement by stating this controversial opinion, and you cannot stop me.

(Besides, good music is good, ripped off or nothing. Also, Led Zeppelin DID polish some of those songs, and made them into something memorable. It wouldn't hurt them to at least give credit to where credit's due).

I never really paid attention to the lyrics of Led Zepplin before. They are more banal than I thought when I couldn't understand what they are saying. Kind of like a drunk and even more pretentious version of Rush.

Holy fuck, I hate Led Zepplin.

[bovarchist]

Southern wrote:

Good ol' Proffe, may the spirits bless you and your loved ones. Such irrelevance... I mean, what kind of website is he visiting? I haven't seen a website with a Flash intro in, what, eight years or so? Since Apple said "fuck this shit" for Flash on iOS, nobody is using it as a integral part of their websites, anyway.

Fashion sites, probably. If he is a snobby east coaster as BarnOwl has suggested, he is probably visiting all of the 'let us impress you with our fancy flash intros' online stores:P

Restaurant sites seem to use it a lot too. I think Cracked did an article about it. Meanwhile, I've really got to stop read the Pit and do something constructive, like actually watch Downfall.

[Mykeru]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

This is very true. Point well taken.

Can we just call it the "Freethought Blogs Rape Hysteria". That'll piss them off. It's a hysteria, a witch hunt, quite frankly, what is happening fits the framework of a moral panic to a T.

Atheism + Moral Panic

[Liesmith]

To everyone saying that PZ should be taking his evidence to the police: don't do that. We all know that the police never pursue accusations of rape, so there's no point in ever reporting it. QED QFT RTFM BRB

Checkmate, skeptics!

[Sulman]

Restaurant sites seem to use it a lot too. I think Cracked did an article about it. Meanwhile, I've really got to stop read the Pit and do something constructive, like actually watch Downfall.

An absolutely superb film. I enjoyed the Fuhrer temper meme for a bit, but I always (boringly) tell people to watch the source.

[Jan Steen]

Nerd of Redhead is still firmly convinced that Shermer is a rapist and keeps repeating this opinion.

http://i.imgur.com/PV0eznk.jpg

There isn’t a shred of evidence that should be sufficient to convince people either way.

Spoken as a true hyperskeptic. There is testimony by several women which back the rape MO of MS. But then you don’t think a woman’s testimony is evidence. A court of law would beg to differ.

What testimony which back the rape MO of MS? If NoR has only seen the same testimony as I have then he can't know anything about a rape MO, because this has not been described in any detail. Citation needed.

[bovarchist]

The only scandal that ever needed the "-gate" suffix is Water-fucking-gate. If you call anything a "-gate" you should be beaten about the kidneys until you piss blood.

KIDNEYGATE MOTHERFUCKER, SAY IT!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

OK, I'm skipping the last two pages of comments. Did I miss anything important?

Yes.

There's quite the discussion over whether the Monkees wrote their own songs.

That's a trivia question thats stumps most people. The true identity of the songwriter comes as a shock.

[Roofied_Baboon]

Coming to think of it...PZ's supporters were quick to swallow the idea that Shermer is a rapist.

Seems they have an axe to grind...

[Cold]

Why. Do. They. Have. To. Type. Like. This?

Jesus fuck, the attempt at being cutely indignant hurts my eyes.

[Sulman]

Some astonishing mental gymnastics there.

Evidence can include testimony, but testimony isn't automatically evidence, because of, among other things, lies. That is why a court goes to great trouble ensuring that testimony meets criteria.

These people appear to have no grasp of analogy, burden of proof, or simple common sense.

[JustAtheist]

Can we call the Minnesota Inquisition?

[Git]

Coming to think of it...PZ's supporters were quick to swallow the idea that Shermer is a rapist.

Seems they have an axe to grind...

Shermer isn't a raving proglodyte/SJW ideologue. That's his only crime. The Baboons are engaged in classic entryism to "purge" anyone they disagree with out of the "atheist" movement and turn it into a wholly political movement.

Bear in mind that to the Baboons, George fucking Orwell or even Clement Attlee would be a "libertarian".

[JayTeeAitch]

This needs some stirring music:

I am on the side of right in the face of all those who are comfortable doing wrong. I am on the side of the voices who have been stilled by those who take being able to abuse as their right. I am on the side of all those who have been hurt by those who believe they have a right to twist their power and by those who believe they have the right to other people’s bodies. I refuse to back down when confronted by all those who howl in favour of the status quo.

To all those harmed, I stand with you. To all those standing firm in the face of wrongdoing, I stand with you.

All this talk about standing, but I do wonder if Caine's actually got out of fucking bed yet. Doubleeffess.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670338

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

So, does PeepeeZ not allow anybody to post who criticizes he or his cult?

Further, how is his cult any different than conspiracy theorists? Like the assholes who were speculating that since Shermer raped a woman (cuz, you know, someone on the Internet said it was true, so it must be), and also raped a fat, bearded, suicidal man-child in Florida, that Shermer MUST be a gay pedophile, because that seems logical. OR perhaps, fat, bearded, suicidal man-child in Florida may be transgender. So, when Shermer supposedly raped fat, bearded, suicidal man-child, it's possible that fat, bearded, suicidal man-child was a woman/girl at the time.

Seriously, are we the victims of the biggest troll in all of history? Maybe PeepeeZ is a genius and that is all one big hoax to show people how utterly gullible they are.

Otherwise, these people need to be redirected to Natural News because it's also possible that the government has put microchips in Tim's McDonald french fries and that GMOs cause you to grow five new buttholes and that chemtrails are God's farts. What's the difference between these people and Alex Jones??

[bovarchist]

I think the fundamental error from the start was that people mistook atheism for a left wing movement. That's why all these social justice loons thought we were naturally their allies, and were so upset when they turned out to be wrong.

I think you're on to something, but the problem wasn't an exterior one. ATHEISTS thought atheism was a left wing movement, and it was atheists who sought out the social justice loons, thinking they were naturally our allies. Now of course most of us have figured out our error, but getting rid of King Stork is easier said than done.

PS: #clownfall.

[Cold]

One of the fat neckbeard beta males in the This Is Not An Update thread sums up this entire debacle quite nicely:

The goal isn’t to determine whether or not Shermer is guilty. The goal is to report a traumatic experience someone had with Shermer, in the hopes of warning other women. The goal is the reduce the potential for rape.

Shermer’s guilt or innocence isn’t what’s at stake here. Women not being raped is.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-670384

It doesn't matter if Shermer is innocent! This isn't about Shermer, it's about women getting potentially raped!

[Phoebe_Caulfield]

Oh, and why is being hyperskeptic a bad thing? I don't get it.