Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[deLurch]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

So let me get this straight. If the FtB/Skepchick crowd *THINKS* a course of action would make us angry and rage, they will want to do it.

Clearly this inane tendency could not be abused.

[codelette]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

Omigod, I'm tearing apart with rage, trembling and vomiting all at the same time.

PS. Adam, you are still McEwan's little bitch. :lol:

[Tony Parsehole]

EllenBeth Wachs' evidence re Hensley or Watson being seen as replacements (though names are redacted in her screencaps here):

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... tereotype/

Swell idea. Let either of them drive CFI into a ditch and put themselves out of work. :shock:

http://i.imgur.com/fivWnzH.png

http://i.imgflip.com/241tz.gif

[deLurch]

It's OK folks. Let's just console ourselves with some patriarchal chicken.

[Tony Parsehole]

Oh yeah, there was shit-loads of rage on the Pit today.
Positively boiling....

[Steersman]

I think that steersman's argument is that the words in question were not always bad. He points to PZ's 'New Rules' post of August 6th (I think) last year, as the instant in which the words 'bitch' and 'slut' suddenly became sexist.

M'kay. Not entirely unlikely that I could have failed to comb the argument from the thicket.

It does get complicated quickly – devil in the details and all that. Hence the justification for the use of analogies. As Crommunist put it some time ago:

Analogy is an excellent method of exposing inconsistencies in logic, which is an important component of refuting bad arguments.

Although the situation is not helped when so many people – from Ophelia to Justin – appear to have so many difficulties with the concept and its application.

Still leaves the hypocrisy charge intact. Pissy owes others the recognition that they are no different than he used to be if they don't obey his rules, unless of course he was appointed supreme arbiter of absolute morality and werdz 'n shit on the sly.

I’ll readily agree to throw stones at PZ for that “self-appointment as arbiter” as I think that whole concept of “splash damage” is evidence of him having his head well up his own ass. Certainly understandable if people react to insults directed at other people, but most people – skeptics at least – are going to, or should, question whether there is any merit in the insult before going off the deep end in response.

However your “still leaves the hypocrisy charge intact” is rather questionable. If it is relative to incidents of other people using words such as “slut” before his “Papal Encyclical” in August of last year then you might have a case. But if it is afterwards then I don’t think so; you can say he is wrong because his standard is entirely bogus, but he isn’t being hypocritical – unless you have evidence of him actually using such words after that date. You have any of that?

[Tribble]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

1. Who is Adam Lee?

2. What rage? Closest thing I saw to 'rage' was some people thought Lindsay was dumb to waste his time because there was no way Myers and the rest of the baboon circus would ever be mollified by anything less than him falling on his sword.

[Tony Parsehole]

Adam Lee?
More like..... ADAM WEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Tony Parsehole]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

1. Who is Adam Lee?

2. What rage? Closest thing I saw to 'rage' was some people thought Lindsay was dumb to waste his time because there was no way Myers and the rest of the baboon circus would ever be mollified by anything less than him falling on his sword.

I have no idea who he is. I know he turned up in links and tweets not long ago pontificating and sermonising in a very Oolonish way. Other than that....Shrouded in mystery.

[Tigzy]

Adam Lee?
More like..... ADAM WEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Balls. You've got me thinking 'Rice' again. :lol:

[Tony Parsehole]

Adam Lee?
More like..... ADAM WEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Balls. You've got me thinking 'Rice' again. :lol:

It was for your benefit.

[Ape+lust]

http://i.imgflip.com/241tz.gif

And not a dog penis in sight. You're a gentleman's gentleman.

[deLurch]

2. What rage? Closest thing I saw to 'rage' was some people thought Lindsay was dumb to waste his time because there was no way Myers and the rest of the baboon circus would ever be mollified by anything less than him falling on his sword.

As near as I can tell, about the only person who cared was this guy.
http://i.imgur.com/5fJ7nxt.png

Personally, I think it was a tactical error on Lindsey's part as getting the FtB/Skepchick crowd to voluntarily divorce themselves from your organization like JREF did seems to be a much better long term solution.

The more an organization continues to play ball with them, the more they will drag them down and continue to tarnish their image. But with that said, Lindsey coming out and saying something additional to this situation and an apology of sorts is not unexpected and a mark of professionalism.

[Ape+lust]

1. Who is Adam Lee?

He's a latecomer white knight, full of vigor and aroma, here to strut and taunt on behalf of the wimmens.

[EdwardGemmer]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

1. Who is Adam Lee?

2. What rage? Closest thing I saw to 'rage' was some people thought Lindsay was dumb to waste his time because there was no way Myers and the rest of the baboon circus would ever be mollified by anything less than him falling on his sword.

I remember him for saying that if everyone would just quit making rape threats and support child care at conferences, he would stop calling them sexists.

[AndrewV69]

So I just saw a second reference to Terror Management Theory (TMT) in as many days:

Becker didn’t want his final work, Escape From Evil, published because he thought it was too cynical but the only way to dispel a darkness is to turn on a light. What makes Becker’s work significant is that, though he practised “soft science,” Terror Management Theory (TMT) has now progressed his ideas and accumulated empirical evidence that his assessment of the human condition was correct.

People have learned to fetishize perceived evil, giving it a killable form, in order to gain false security in an uncontrollable world in which they find themselves immersed. This is where feminism comes in with a jackhammer and pulverizes the residual cement that held marriages intact. When they declared men to be the source of evil, feminists created a bonding group to which women could cling while they set about exterminating the threat. It’s absurdly unique that the movement demanded that the threat remove itself then blamed the enemy for abandoning their stations.

Well to me it is questionable that generic feminism holds that view (I tend to exclude the equity feminists for starters) but I can see it within the baboon narrative(s) and I can also see where it might apply here also as far as "bonding" goes anyway.

[KiwiInOz]

Ophie has now swallowed her pride and has turned into an apology apologist:

So now I think my post yesterday on Ron’s apology was too grudging. It read as chilly to me then, but see Stephanie’s post for reasons to think it’s not. (...) Yes. The hell with being grudging. I apologize for being grudging. I take it back.

Amy too is optimistic.

You know what would be great for WiS3 (assuming it happens)? Martha Nussbaum and Christina Hoff Sommers doing a dialogue.

These people are soooo transparent. How stupid do they think their sycophants are?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... /06/onward

Here is really what I think, now that I' have been told what to think.

[JackSkeptic]

EllenBeth Wachs' evidence re Hensley or Watson being seen as replacements (though names are redacted in her screencaps here):

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... tereotype/

I do not see that as some formal evidence from someone in a position to influence it. Just an opinion when asked. Maybe I have misunderstood something though.

[deLurch]

http://i.imgflip.com/241tz.gif

And not a dog penis in sight. You're a gentleman's gentleman.

[Tony Parsehole]

http://i.imgflip.com/241tz.gif

And not a dog penis in sight. You're a gentleman's gentleman.

Fap,fap,fap.

[BarnOwl]

Wing walking is also really dumb.

http://kazu.org/post/federal-safety-off ... show-crash

[Parody Accountant]

http://i.imgflip.com/241tz.gif

And not a dog penis in sight. You're a gentleman's gentleman.

what is this i don't even

[Ape+lust]

what is this i don't even

Don't worry, nobody understands her.

[Tony Parsehole]

Half the page is Melody and either an entering or exiting mouth-turd.


My work here is done.

[Skep tickle]

EllenBeth Wachs' evidence re Hensley or Watson being seen as replacements (though names are redacted in her screencaps here):

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... tereotype/

I do not see that as some formal evidence from someone in a position to influence it. Just an opinion when asked. Maybe I have misunderstood something though.

No but it is probably what she was referring to. And, right, without a name attached it could have been just anybody giving their opinion.

[Kareem]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

Or just a liar. All actions must either be pro or anti "pit." Now that they've decided to accept the not-apology they have to pretend it's a win by pretending it angers us.

And does this mean someone from skeptchick with have to ask the CFI for sponsorship again?

[KiwiInOz]

Catching up on the weekend's entertainment:

1) Those of you who have me on ignore can just piss off. You jumped up bunch of wankers and wankerettes wouldn't know quality discourse if it jumped up and bit you on your arse..

2) Vasectomies. I know that we've moved on, but, mine was actually done up in my pubic area rather than my scrotum. Local anaesthetic; nurse shaves off two patches of hair; cock feels like rubber when she moves it around; doctor tears the skin rather than cuts it; does snip and removes section; butterfly thingy attached; go home; have panadol; wank three times to be sure; and now have carefree sex whenever I want it. Ok, the last bit is wishful thinking, but I could if I wanted to.

3) I'm sure there was some other stuff that I wanted to comment on, but hey, some of us have to work.

[Tony Parsehole]

All actions must either be pro or anti "pit." Now that they've decided to accept the not-apology they have to pretend it's a win by pretending it angers us.

True dat. Like anybody here gives a fuck either way. In fact it's better for the environment that they accepted his apology because now we can power Europe with Watson's imminent back-pedaling.

[Parody Accountant]

NOT COOL. That's not appropriate for anywhere on the internet. Ask the guy who invented it.*

http://anomalycentral.files.wordpress.c ... peaks2.gif

(*never made that claim, I know...)

[DeepInsideYourMind]

EllenBeth Wachs' evidence re Hensley or Watson being seen as replacements (though names are redacted in her screencaps here):

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... tereotype/

Hmmmmmm......Those scribbled-out Facebook comments could have been made by anybody. Not really evidence that there was a plot to replace Lindsay with Watson, Hensley or Kermit The Frog.

Agreed. Some of them clearly did want Lindsay ousted. But as having either Melody or Watson replace him, that boils down to wishful dreams.

Yeah that's about as far as you can get from "evidence" ... shame, she didn't do herself any favours by hyping up her behind the scenes bombshells, and then posting that.

Sure, there's a lot of bollocks and claptrap talked, and she exposed that, but no great plots to take over the world ... not so much Machiavelli, more like Pinky and the Brain

[Hunt]

CFI can't really drop WiSC3 without opening themselves to further attack, however they can borrow a page from the FtB playbook and issue a statement something like "We're interested in providing an opportunity for those who otherwise might not be heard..." and them dumb every pain in the ass from this year. Checkmate.

[Hunt]

*dump* Well, dumb works too.

[Cunt of Personality]

I'm enraged at the idea that they think I'm enraged by this.

It's not too bad though, since it's a sort of fake internet meta-rage. I'm working on a way to monetise it that doesn't involve having a shit blog, but if it doesn't work out I probably won't care very much.

[Guest]

CFI can't really drop WiSC3 without opening themselves to further attack, however they can borrow a page from the FtB playbook and issue a statement something like "We're interested in providing an opportunity for those who otherwise might not be heard..." and them dumb every pain in the ass from this year. Checkmate.

In general, I've hated most conferences for at least two decades, once I'd been to a few and realized most of the speakers were on a conference circuit, rarely bringing anything new up, mainly just shilling their books and crap, and that new speakers were vanishingly rare.

I guess I hadn't realized that the real purpose of the conference was a company paid vacation and alcohol and sex.

[Badger3k]

1. Who is Adam Lee?

He's a latecomer white knight, full of vigor and aroma, here to strut and taunt on behalf of the wimmens.

Don't forget that he is a Very Important Person...after all, he has a blog!

Beyond that, not really a clue. I vaguely recall seeing his name in some post or another that I read, but it apparently wasn't interesting enough for me to care.

[Skep tickle]

Not that it's actually important, but I'm going to take a guess that not all that many people here have been face to face with someone who is vomiting up feces*

*well, feculent material rather than formed stool, but at that point there's not a ton of difference

Luckily for everyone it doesn't happen all that often, but it does suggest a serious problem in the GI tract.

If I were to put one thing on ignore, it'd be the head 'splode gif. That one grosses me out.

Okay, carry on...

[Parody Accountant]

If I were to put one thing on ignore, it'd be the head 'splode gif. That one grosses me out.

Would the reverse have the opposite effect? Like a goddamn miracle on a loop...?

[Mykeru]

Wing walking is also really dumb.

http://kazu.org/post/federal-safety-off ... show-crash

I saw in another article someone giving the pilot credit for his skill in avoiding the crowd, although that didn't play into it at all. People said the same thing with the Reno Air crash of the Galloping Ghost caused by a broken trim tab that launched the pilot into an 11g climb that probably caused his brains to squirt out his asshole.

I guess people think its what you are supposed to say about dead pilots.

Also, it wasn't the wing walking that killed Wicker, it was the flying into the ground.

[JackSkeptic]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

Or just a liar. All actions must either be pro or anti "pit." Now that they've decided to accept the not-apology they have to pretend it's a win by pretending it angers us.

And does this mean someone from skeptchick with have to ask the CFI for sponsorship again?

I don't see any rage, is there another pit we don't know about? They assume that because they throw their toys out of the pram at the slightest 'hurt' that we do.

[Ape+lust]

1. Who is Adam Lee?

He's a latecomer white knight, full of vigor and aroma, here to strut and taunt on behalf of the wimmens.

Don't forget that he is a Very Important Person...after all, he has a blog!

Beyond that, not really a clue. I vaguely recall seeing his name in some post or another that I read, but it apparently wasn't interesting enough for me to care.

I read his blog a few times years ago. He was one of those guys who tried to insert himself between Myers and Mooney, as the sensible third wayer. I knew the blog name, but had to look it up again to remember who he was.

[JackSkeptic]

NOT COOL. That's not appropriate for anywhere on the internet. Ask the guy who invented it.*

http://anomalycentral.files.wordpress.c ... peaks2.gif

(*never made that claim, I know...)

To be fair to him, when he made that clam I laughed. But he kinda was instrumental in its development. The inventor of the World Wide Web was Tim Berners Lee however.

[JackSkeptic]

LOL, here's the last line of EBW's post above:

Anyway, I just joined JREF and am headed to TAM2013.

One hopes to see her wear a T-shirt suitably captioned ... maybe the same as Harriet Hall's? .... ;-)

I bet EBW does nice ceramics, I heard there was a recent dearth of supply there.

[BarnOwl]

Wing walking is also really dumb.

http://kazu.org/post/federal-safety-off ... show-crash

I saw in another article someone giving the pilot credit for his skill in avoiding the crowd, although that didn't play into it at all. People said the same thing with the Reno Air crash of the Galloping Ghost caused by a broken trim tab that launched the pilot into an 11g climb that probably caused his brains to squirt out his asshole.

I guess people think its what you are supposed to say about dead pilots.

Also, it wasn't the wing walking that killed Wicker, it was the flying into the ground.

Several military cargo planes fly over my house every day. They're so clumsy-looking and noisy, that I've developed this baseless fear that one of them will fall out of the sky some day and crash nearby. Extremely unlikely, but formally possible.

[Ape+lust]

I don't see any rage, is there another pit we don't know about? They assume that because they throw their toys out of the pram at the slightest 'hurt' that we do.

It's that self-magnifying echo loop they've got going on. In two days, they've bootstrapped themselves from sour to a giddy froth. It's positively festive right now in parts of FtB and Skepchick, since they've convinced themselves the neon-green checkerboard sweater was exactly what they wanted for Xmas all along. They're happy, so we've got to be mad.

IOW, they're completely out of their minds again.

[JackSkeptic]

EllenBeth Wachs' evidence re Hensley or Watson being seen as replacements (though names are redacted in her screencaps here):

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... tereotype/

Hmmmmmm......Those scribbled-out Facebook comments could have been made by anybody. Not really evidence that there was a plot to replace Lindsay with Watson, Hensley or Kermit The Frog.

I vote for Kermit, it would make them hopping mad and green with envy.

[Ape+lust]

Several military cargo planes fly over my house every day. They're so clumsy-looking and noisy, that I've developed this baseless fear that one of them will fall out of the sky some day and crash nearby. Extremely unlikely, but formally possible.

I know that feeling. I used to live where C-5s would occasionally depart and would get a thrill of fear every time I saw one of those huge, lumpy things hanging in the sky. It just looked impossible that something so ungainly and (seemingly) slow-moving was actually flying and not stalling.

[zenbabe]

Catching up on the weekend's entertainment:

1) Those of you who have me on ignore can just piss off. You jumped up bunch of wankers and wankerettes wouldn't know quality discourse if it jumped up and bit you on your arse..

2) Vasectomies. I know that we've moved on, but, mine was actually done up in my pubic area rather than my scrotum. Local anaesthetic; nurse shaves off two patches of hair; cock feels like rubber when she moves it around; doctor tears the skin rather than cuts it; does snip and removes section; butterfly thingy attached; go home; have panadol; wank three times to be sure; and now have carefree sex whenever I want it. Ok, the last bit is wishful thinking, but I could if I wanted to.

3) I'm sure there was some other stuff that I wanted to comment on, but hey, some of us have to work.

So uhhhhmmm, regarding vasectomies.

Last summer I dated a guy who was the first one I've been with who was snipped.
Gotta say, his man juice was near tasteless and it didn't mess up the smell or taste of my lady parts at all.
It was very nice!

I attributed this to it being sperm free.

You guys who have had it done, have your partners found a similar change?
Or has anyone here been with a snipped guy and found the same thing?
Or was that a peculiarity of that guy I was with, which had nothing to do with being fixed.

[JackSkeptic]

Adam Lee is really dumb.

1. Who is Adam Lee?

2. What rage? Closest thing I saw to 'rage' was some people thought Lindsay was dumb to waste his time because there was no way Myers and the rest of the baboon circus would ever be mollified by anything less than him falling on his sword.

I have no idea who he is. I know he turned up in links and tweets not long ago pontificating and sermonising in a very Oolonish way. Other than that....Shrouded in mystery.

I think he did a petition some months back to remove someone or the other, I think Thunderfoot, from the atheist community. He never explained how that would be achieved. Last I heard of him, literally, was when he was on a Christian Podcast telling the Pastor how the atheist community was full of evil misogynists while managing to ignore the fact the pastor kept saying 'why can't you control your women?'

So yes he's another Oolon and a total wally.

[CommanderTuvok]

http://i.imgur.com/fivWnzH.png

Funny how they don't like it when their own standards of applying offence, is applied to them.

Fucking stupid wankstains.

[Skep tickle]

CFI can't really drop WiSC3 without opening themselves to further attack, however they can borrow a page from the FtB playbook and issue a statement something like "We're interested in providing an opportunity for those who otherwise might not be heard..." and them dumb every pain in the ass from this year. Checkmate.

In general, I've hated most conferences for at least two decades, once I'd been to a few and realized most of the speakers were on a conference circuit, rarely bringing anything new up, mainly just shilling their books and crap, and that new speakers were vanishingly rare.

I guess I hadn't realized that the real purpose of the conference was a company paid vacation and alcohol and sex.

I like going to conferences (work or occasionally otherwise) where I know there'll be quite a few talks I wouldn't hear otherwise. Great to have a couple of days to focus on new info & ideas and have no other responsibilities, rather than try to squeeze in a little reading or some videos during or in between all the other stuff on my plate (work, chatelaine of home/family, etc). I tend to take lots of notes and come up with ideas that I don't necessarily do anything about, but were fun to think about. :)

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

So uhhhhmmm, regarding vasectomies.

Last summer I dated a guy who was the first one I've been with who was snipped.
Gotta say, his man juice was near tasteless and it didn't mess up the smell or taste of my lady parts at all.
It was very nice!

Just to clarify: you allow a man to spaff his beans into your mouth at the conclusion of a blowjob, and you are capable of and willing to go facedown into your own muff.

I...could you...can I...would it be possible to...*faint*

[Skep tickle]

Hmmmmmm......Those scribbled-out Facebook comments could have been made by anybody. Not really evidence that there was a plot to replace Lindsay with Watson, Hensley or Kermit The Frog.

Agreed. Some of them clearly did want Lindsay ousted. But as having either Melody or Watson replace him, that boils down to wishful dreams.

Yeah that's about as far as you can get from "evidence" ... shame, she didn't do herself any favours by hyping up her behind the scenes bombshells, and then posting that.

Sure, there's a lot of bollocks and claptrap talked, and she exposed that, but no great plots to take over the world ... not so much Machiavelli, more like Pinky and the Brain

Sorry if this is duplicate:

Stephanie Zvan has the same take on it, except that given the length of her post seems (IMO of course) like overkill. And note that PZ got in the first reply. Coincidence, probably. :roll:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... n-lindsay/

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

[zenbabe]

So uhhhhmmm, regarding vasectomies.

Last summer I dated a guy who was the first one I've been with who was snipped.
Gotta say, his man juice was near tasteless and it didn't mess up the smell or taste of my lady parts at all.
It was very nice!

Just to clarify: you allow a man to spaff his beans into your mouth at the conclusion of a blowjob, and you are capable of and willing to go facedown into your own muff.

I...could you...can I...would it be possible to...*faint*

Haha! SO NOT HOW I MEANT IT

[ERV]

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

Considering the number of members with vasectomies, I dont think there is a lot of froth...

[Lsuoma]

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

Considering the number of members with vasectomies, I dont think there is a lot of froth...

You girlies will have to help us men out.

[SkepticalCat]

Justin Griffith wrote this at EllenBeth's blog today:

Even if Paul had said this:

“I am sorry that I caused offense with my privilege. I am also sorry I made some people feel unwelcome as a result of my privileged comments. I now have a better understanding of the objections to my privileged comments.

Please accept my apologies.”

The groveling would have earned him less than nothing. Ask Ron. Or any other witch of the week. I’m glad to see so many people waking up to this – naked emperor and all that.

Paul is an excellent activist and has done more for this movement than most ever will. I’m reminded of Dave Silverman’s quip from last year:

“It seems to me that people have come up with the idea that they have the right to not be offended. And that right that they have, to not be offended, supersedes your freedom of speech…”

"Paul" is a person attacked by one Stephanie Soreassi with the "privilege" weapon in the main article.

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/23/w ... omment-437

[Parody Accountant]

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

Considering the number of members with vasectomies, I dont think there is a lot of froth...

http://i.imgur.com/AhpPok0.png

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

Considering the number of members with vasectomies, I dont think there is a lot of froth...

http://i.imgur.com/AhpPok0.png

http://i.imgur.com/Eizt1Kc.png

[AndrewV69]

So uhhhhmmm, regarding vasectomies.

Last summer I dated a guy who was the first one I've been with who was snipped.
Gotta say, his man juice was near tasteless and it didn't mess up the smell or taste of my lady parts at all.
It was very nice!

Just to clarify: you allow a man to spaff his beans into your mouth at the conclusion of a blowjob, and you are capable of and willing to go facedown into your own muff.

I...could you...can I...would it be possible to...*faint*

Haha! SO NOT HOW I MEANT IT

I do not care. Boast about it all you want but you have to post a GIF/JPEG/Video here as proof or it never happened.

[Kareem]

("pitters are working themselves into an angry froth" according to report in comment 5)

Considering the number of members with vasectomies, I dont think there is a lot of froth...

http://i.imgur.com/AhpPok0.png

Never again will I eat vanilla pudding. You ruined that for me.