Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Ape+lust]

I don't know why it never occurs to any of them to wonder: How did the procurer of frumpy nerdbait for our ogling entertainment become the figurehead we all must die defending? I mean, that's a seriously fucked up inversion of priorities and they don't seem to care.

[BarnOwl]

It's like they're living on an island and are determined to burn all their bridges to the mainland.

Well, may I be the first to say:

http://images.colourbox.com/thumb_COLOURBOX2648901.jpg

Yo, baboons! Need a light?

[youtube]eFTLKWw542g[/youtube]

[H. Korban]

Twatson now hates CFI just as much as Peezus: http://skepchick.org/2013/06/so-much-fo ... r-inquiry/

Perhaps she is upset that she can't take Ron's place as CEO of CFI?

[Steersman]

<snip>
Sorry, but I think the relevant standard is the definition of “misogyny”, i.e., “hatred of women” – presumably simply for being women. Which I think that statement of PZ’s quite clearly fails at.

Seems to me that you’re talking of his hypocrisy, or that of his fellow-travelers, which is a rather different kettle of fish.

By his own standards, that statement makes him a misogynist. ....

Really? You can cite a recent or semi-recent explicit statement of his by which that earlier one of his qualifies as misogyny? Not some semi-vague hear-say impression from all that he and others in his commentariat have said on the topics of sex, gender roles, and humour, but something explicit? And even his criticisms of the Pit for supposed misogyny looks based on something rather different from what that joke was predicated on.

Seems to me that you and others are conflating his impression of the incongruity and humour of that woman’s “always” with his criticism of outright misogyny as in his recent article on Lepine.

[nippletwister]

Is somebody re-growing a sense of humor?

[Kareem]

Twatson now hates CFI just as much as Peezus: http://skepchick.org/2013/06/so-much-fo ... r-inquiry/

Perhaps she is upset that she can't take Ron's place as CEO of CFI?

It would seem outlandish if it wasn't for similar comments made about D.J. Grothe.

[Walter Ego]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

I'm putting you on ignore until you change your avator if that's okay with you.

[Gumby]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

download/file.php?avatar=472_1371430341.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/37 ... d4aac.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

[Steersman]

It would be amusing if CFI declared that it had to cut Melody's job due to Rebecca's boycott-- And then later announced that donations had gone way up after Melody was cut, so they hired EBW as a replacement. Win-win.

"I have a dream ...."

[Rystefn]

<snip>
Sorry, but I think the relevant standard is the definition of “misogyny”, i.e., “hatred of women” – presumably simply for being women. Which I think that statement of PZ’s quite clearly fails at.

Seems to me that you’re talking of his hypocrisy, or that of his fellow-travelers, which is a rather different kettle of fish.

By his own standards, that statement makes him a misogynist. ....

Really? You can cite a recent or semi-recent explicit statement of his by which that earlier one of his qualifies as misogyny? Not some semi-vague hear-say impression from all that he and others in his commentariat have said on the topics of sex, gender roles, and humour, but something explicit? And even his criticisms of the Pit for supposed misogyny looks based on something rather different from what that joke was predicated on.

Seems to me that you and others are conflating his impression of the incongruity and humour of that woman’s “always” with his criticism of outright misogyny as in his recent article on Lepine.

So... unless I can find an instance of him calling that exact joke misogyny, my argument is invalid? Is that actually what you're saying?

[DW Adams]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

I'm putting you on ignore until you change your avator if that's okay with you.

What is it about the picture you don't like?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

[DW Adams]

lol, grabbed the wrong one.

[Walter Ego]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

download/file.php?avatar=472_1371430341.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/37 ... d4aac.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

Not to be a prude, but what exactly is being ridiculed here, incest or gay sex?

[Aneris]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Agreed. I happily denounce that too. Even though I don't see a reason why I had to. It gives the impression that I otherwise agree to such things ‒ which simply isn't the case. Nothing is different, I just make the gesture to prevent our disingenuous opponents from again making false accusations. Also, to my information the guy is not posting here. Not that it mattered in the past to them. :roll:

[another lurker]

lol, grabbed the wrong one.

Al as the subject of the pic is even better, imo

gj Gumby!

[Aneris]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

download/file.php?avatar=472_1371430341.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/37 ... d4aac.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

nothing is holy. Hahaha awesome

[justinvacula]

MORE "doxxing" to commence on FTB via Ophelia's page (and more threat narrative?)?

[Remember, according to FTB, revealing publicly available business addresses i.e. Surly Amy publicly available business address is "doxxing."]

Ophelia gets a letter in the mail forwarded by Free Inquiry, sent from 'pogsurf.' They believe they know this person's name, phone number, address, wife's name, etc. Imagine if they got it wrong....hm.

Anyway:

FREEZEPAGE

"In the mail"

http://www.freezepage.com/1371511702XMREXHQJRB

COMMENT 5 - PZ Myers

Wiesner is appalling. I banned him some time ago; he tried to bounce back under various aliases. And then he sent me this email:

Hi PZ,

Could you please give me a call on +44 1923 23xxxx. I’d like to discuss why you have banned me from your blog.

Regards,

Martin Wiesner

I’m being nice in redacting his number. But to think after all the slimy shit he pulls there is a question about why he was banned or that I even want to talk to him about it…he’s a disingenuous git.

COMMENTS 7 and 8 and 9 - MATT PENFOLD

Doesn’t Wiesner live in the UK, in the Watford area ? If so, it might be worth contacting his local police and making a complaint.

Yeah, he does live in the Watford area. The number PZ posted has the Watford dialling code. Watford is covered by the Hertfordshire Constabulary

http://www.herts.police.uk/

I can let you have his address if you like. It is a matter of public record.

Martin, if you are going to harass people, don’t act as election agent for the Green party! It means your address is public!

COMMENT 11 - OOLON

@Matt, he puts his postcode on his website, does it match? At least he is not doing this anonymously and complaints can be made to his local police force.

COMMENT 13 - MATT PENFOLD

Yeah, it matches. I can yell you his wife’s name if you like as well.

COMMENT 18 - PIERCE R. BUTLER

“PZ Myers & Matt Penfold doxxed Martin Wiesner!” in 5-4-3-2…

COMMENT 22 - HYPERDEATH

His local newspaper currently has the lead headline “New nightclub in town centre granted licence”. Perhaps the editor would appreciate something more interesting.

COMMENT 25 - PZ MYERS

If you want the rest of his phone number, just email me. Call at a reasonable hour in case he gave me a fake number.

COMMENT 28 - MATT PENFOLD

The partial telephone number posted by PZ matches up with the one I got from the BT website.

COMMENT 30 - OPHELIA BENSON

He included his address and a phone number on the letter.

But also, on Facebook a new friend (on the Vancouver Skeptics in the Pub page) posted a link to a post where Wiesner says he’s sending this piece of crap to a whole slew of people, including most of the speakers at the Dublin conference.

http://pogsurf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/c ... ource.html

So at least I feel less singled out.

No, I’m sure my friends at Free Inquiry would not be happy about that (but they asked early on about forwarding mail and I said by all means).

COMMENT 32 - SORBUS

A very open troll indeed, to match the ‘open letters’ posted online I guess. He’s not ex-directory and mobile numbers (probably Green Party ones) are listed in press releases. If I called him ‘a pain in the arse’ does that mean I support misuse of porcupines too?

COMMENT 33 - CARLIE

Wow. Physical letters. Holy fucking shit. Definitely something for his local police to know about, if nothing else just so it’s on record that someone complained. And I hope there’s some sort of “restraining order” that the Dublin organizers can put in place for you (not for arrest, but if he gets within so close he will be kicked out of the conference).

[justinvacula]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Agreed. I happily denounce that too. Even though I don't see a reason why I had to. It gives the impression that I otherwise agree to such things ‒ which simply isn't the case. Nothing is different, I just make the gesture to prevent our disingenuous opponents from again making false accusations. Also, to my information the guy is not posting here. Not that it mattered in the past to them. :roll:

I must say, with no joking, I denounce sending letters via postal mail to Ophelia Benson and other EWTS speakers.

[Metalogic42]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

I'm putting you on ignore until you change your avator if that's okay with you.

Suit yourself.

[ReneeHendricks]

Hey Renee, can you ask Melody at what point a secret group called "Document the Hate" started as a support group?

The title seems like a bit of a misnomer to me.

I meant ask.. Ellen

Saved to my list 'o questions :)

[DW Adams]

Look, they have their new "Vacula" for Dublin already.

They seem to be overblowing the "threat" awful fast with pogsurf.

He sent the same package to all the speakers.

Fuck they're a bunch of grade 6 girls over there.

[KiwiInOz]

BTW, Metalogic42, I just love what you've done with your avatar. And I just bought myself a bear canister last week for a backpacking trip.

I'm so glad Tony won the contest. That parsehole!

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

I assumed that it was a POV movie still of Parsehole.

[Kareem]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Agreed. I happily denounce that too. Even though I don't see a reason why I had to. It gives the impression that I otherwise agree to such things ‒ which simply isn't the case. Nothing is different, I just make the gesture to prevent our disingenuous opponents from again making false accusations. Also, to my information the guy is not posting here. Not that it mattered in the past to them. :roll:

I'd take their side on this one if they didn't go straight to Dox mode.

[Steersman]

<snip>Sweet! Another not-a-boycott from Twatson.

Oooh, I'm sure CFI is quaking in their shoes.

Becky should really stop doing this. It didn't work with Dawkins, and it won't work now. All it does is show how little influence she really has.

Now if she started her own personal one-woman boycott of the liquor industry, the stock market would start fluctuating wildly.

Indeed. Reminds me of the joke about the two dumb [marginalized ethnic group you love to throw stones at (MEGYLTTSA)] men who were out driving around in the country side with their new girlfriends. And as it transpired they were walking back to town – alone – when one of the MEGYLTTSA men says to the other, “The next time you tell some women to put out or walk, do make sure that we’re driving our own car” ….

[Walter Ego]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

download/file.php?avatar=472_1371430341.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/37 ... d4aac.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

nothing is holy. Hahaha awesome

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

[Kareem]

... so many guests

[Gumby]

<snip>Sweet! Another not-a-boycott from Twatson.

Oooh, I'm sure CFI is quaking in their shoes.

Becky should really stop doing this. It didn't work with Dawkins, and it won't work now. All it does is show how little influence she really has.

Now if she started her own personal one-woman boycott of the liquor industry, the stock market would start fluctuating wildly.

Indeed. Reminds me of the joke about the two dumb [marginalized ethnic group you love to throw stones at (MEGYLTTSA)] men who were out driving around in the country side with their new girlfriends. And as it transpired they were walking back to town – alone – when one of the MEGYLTTSA men says to the other, “The next time you tell some women to put out or walk, do make sure that we’re driving our own car” ….

Hahaha.

[Gumby]

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

Fuck you.

Oh, and by the way...

Snagged EllenBeth Wachs for Saturday at noon EST on Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes. I'm putting this out here now so if you have any questions you feel are important to ask, pass them on to me. I am *not* going to make EllenBeth feel "on the spot" in any way so please ensure you posit your questions accordingly. This is a woman who's had to deal with a lot of shit in a very short space of time and I'm going to be accommodating to ensure she does not feel pressured or vilified in any way, shape, or form. Just an FYI :)

I haven't been keeping up with the pit for about the last six months (illness and other issues). Could someone update me on EllenBeth’s situation?

I don’t have any questions for her. Just tell her Walter Ego says hello.

... you're creepy.

[Guest]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

Dawkins has more followers than all of them combined. And Joe Rogan has even more than that. Just saying.

Read this, which is Marcotte's open letter to CFI:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/20/a ... r-inquiry/

Now answer: does anyone think that Marcotte may not be a member of CFI, even though they ask her to speak? Does anyone think it's somewhat creepy to repeatedly speak at conferences put on by CFI, but to never join? Or think it's creepy to have never been a member, speak at conferences, and then demand that the CEO be fired?

And now in her most recent post, she is encouraging the call to boycott of CFI.

I am going to assume (because that's what I read between the lines of her open letter) that she is not a member. If so, what is the best adjective to describe Marcotte's behavior?

(Note: she very well might be a member, but I'd bet beer she is not.)

An outsider demands a firing, and then calls for a boycott. This is what feminists mean when they "reclaimed" "listen to us" to "shut up and do what we say".

[BarnOwl]

... so many guests

/off topic - Is your avatar Huey Freeman from Boondocks?

That comic strip helped me survive the Dubya years with my sense of humor intact.

[Zenspace]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

Well, someone has their panties in a pretty impressive bunch! :shock:

That post has a spectacularly massive amount of butthurt packed into it. I do agree with this comment, however:

Skepticism is supposed to be about clearing out the bullshit

I suspect our definitions of what comprises 'bullshit' are considerably different, though. :roll:

[Walter Ego]

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

Fuck you.

Oh, and by the way...

Snagged EllenBeth Wachs for Saturday at noon EST on Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes. I'm putting this out here now so if you have any questions you feel are important to ask, pass them on to me. I am *not* going to make EllenBeth feel "on the spot" in any way so please ensure you posit your questions accordingly. This is a woman who's had to deal with a lot of shit in a very short space of time and I'm going to be accommodating to ensure she does not feel pressured or vilified in any way, shape, or form. Just an FYI :)

I haven't been keeping up with the pit for about the last six months (illness and other issues). Could someone update me on EllenBeth’s situation?

I don’t have any questions for her. Just tell her Walter Ego says hello.

... you're creepy.

No, just gay and depressed.

[J.D.]

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/news/bo ... ement_wis/

Wow, The FtB/Skepchick along with their Women in Secularism witch hunt party won't be happy about this. Pulling anything but complete submission is an absolute no-no.

That is as dry a corporate release as I have ever seen. Very carefully worded, for sure. Material bits:

'Unhappy with the controversy' - no specific individuals, etc. named however, which keeps it neutral.

'and our CEO' - no mention of a change. This could go either way, but I think it signals 'no change' more than anything, which is very good, if correct.

'Going forward, we will endeavor to work with all elements of the secular movement' - they are keeping all the options open.
(...snip...)

It was very professional, but to me, this was a key statement:

"'Going forward, we will endeavor to work with ALL ELEMENTS of the secular movement' (my emphasis)

That's a pretty clear "Fuck You" to Skepchick and the FfTB monkey troops that their ideological purity tests will not be tolerated or welcomed.

[bovarchist]

[...]
To tell the truth, I am really, really sick of fools like PZ, Watson, Benson, Silverman et. al. trying to climb up a dung heap and smearing the rest of us with excrement. Even though these people may share the word "atheist" with me, I want absolutely no association with them and certainly do not want then to speak on my behalf. They can take their anti-scientific post-modernism, social-constructivism and identity politics and start their own extreme left-wing group of nuts. Just don't drag us into it.

They should found a new movement called Post-Skepticism.

There's an invisible post in my garage....

[Metalogic42]

nothing is holy. Hahaha awesome

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

I'm bi. Who gives a shit?

[Kareem]

... so many guests

/off topic - Is your avatar Huey Freeman from Boondocks?

That comic strip helped me survive the Dubya years with my sense of humor intact.

Yes it is.
I remember the very first script in the Sunday Daily News and watched every episode of the show.
I like the show for it's ability to offend just about everybody.

... and I think Fred Willard saying the n-word is the funniest thing in the world.
[youtube]BFwFH25X_Nw[/youtube]

[DW Adams]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

As a gay man, I find nothing whatsoever offensive about this image. /shrug

[AndrewV69]

When I decided to marry my white girl-friend, all hell broke loose. Half of my family refused to meet her, while the other half immediately started scheming to get her converted to Islam. I do not understand why skin color is such a sensitive when choosing a mate is concerned. Anyway, we just eloped and got married in a Colorado courthouse, with ourselves as witnesses (Colorado is perhaps the only state that does not need ministers or witnesses). It took about 15 minutes and afterwards we headed to work. Not very romantic, one might say. Eventually, things worked out just fine and my family accepted my wife, and love her and respect her a lot. We hope to live happily ever after.

I imagine that "all hell broke loose" is putting it mildly. I am also impressed that eventually your family accepted your wife. It speaks well of them.

Congratulations.

[Steersman]

<snip>Really? You can cite a recent or semi-recent explicit statement of his by which that earlier one of his qualifies as misogyny? Not some semi-vague hear-say impression from all that he and others in his commentariat have said on the topics of sex, gender roles, and humour, but something explicit? And even his criticisms of the Pit for supposed misogyny looks based on something rather different from what that joke was predicated on.

Seems to me that you and others are conflating his impression of the incongruity and humour of that woman’s “always” with his criticism of outright misogyny as in his recent article on Lepine.

So... unless I can find an instance of him calling that exact joke misogyny, my argument is invalid? Is that actually what you're saying?

Not at all. Would only be the case if you’re insisting on some false dichotomy: either right or wrong by that standard. Which doesn’t hold any water if there is no evidence of him holding that standard as it leaves open the possibility that he doesn’t subscribe to that standard.

All I’m saying is that absent some evidence to justify your contention there is no evidence to justify your contention. It might be true and it might be false, but until you provide some evidence to justify it I’m at liberty to conclude that you haven’t made your case.

And absent that evidence of his standard in that particular case, one is justified, I think, in using the “reasonable standards” and charitable interpretation by which, in that case at least, he is not guilty of misogyny.

[Aneris]

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

And it made me laugh. Especially as Tony won the contest and picked this image for Metalogic. The guy looks funny, it is clearly light-hearted. And there is no respect, not even for "one of our own" who will, I am sure about this, laugh about it, too. It has nothing to do with being gay or not (and no, I won't argue about it).

[Cunning Punt]

You mean your surname is NOT Parsehole?

My full name is Clive James Benson. Prove me wrong.

Any relation to you-know-who?

[Badger3k]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Agreed. I happily denounce that too. Even though I don't see a reason why I had to. It gives the impression that I otherwise agree to such things ‒ which simply isn't the case. Nothing is different, I just make the gesture to prevent our disingenuous opponents from again making false accusations. Also, to my information the guy is not posting here. Not that it mattered in the past to them. :roll:

I'd take their side on this one if they didn't go straight to Dox mode.

Assuming that the person did this to a large number of people, it does seem creepy. I think the police would probably consider it a waste of time, but if they report him, they probably have no choice but to investigate. I'd wager that nothing happens, except police time and effort. Kinda like the fake shit "psychics" pull. I don't see anything threatening in the letter itself, but the effort taken to actually do that means it means a lot to this individual. Not a good thing to do in any case, but the baboons efforts to publicize the information to anyone, instead of actually just keeping it to themselves (hmm, isn't that what happened to PZ with Mazurke? - He kept it private and just reported it to the police?) - that smacks as political posturing, and some pseudo-chest banging about how powerful they are - they can have this guy harassed by his (tiny) horde, just like he was harassing these other people (note, not sure if this counts as harassment, I'd just shitcan it and ignore it, but that's me).

Neither side of this letter is going to come out smelling of roses.

[Walter Ego]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3b4d75.png

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

As a gay man, I find nothing whatsoever offensive about this image. /shrug

[flame mode]Can we take that to mean you were raped by your father and enjoyed it?[/flame mode]

[KiwiInOz]

snip

No, just gay and depressed.

Then your strategy to ignore the things that give you the irrits is the right one.

The black dog is a big nasty fucker and does not give a shit for rationality or logic.

Take care (and take nothing too seriously).

[Skep tickle]

Trying to catch up. May I just say: :popcorn:


Also, haven't seen this posted yet: Greta Christina withdraws from 10/2013 CFI Summit (CSICon):

Dear CFI Board of Directors:

It pains me to do this, but I am withdrawing my support from the CFI national organization, and am cutting ties with all events, projects, and publications connected with it.

This includes the following:

* I am withdrawing as a speaker from the CFI Summit in Tacoma in October.
* I am resigning my position as columnist for Free Inquiry magazine.
* I am declining the honorarium I earned for my recent speaking engagement at CFI headquarters in Amherst, NY. Please re-direct this payment to the Secular Student Alliance. If that is not possible, please go ahead and send it to me, and I will donate it to the SSA.
* My wife and I are cancelling our subscription to Skeptical Inquirer magazine. This last one makes me extremely sad: Skeptical Inquirer played an enormous role in my process of becoming a non-believer, and it was the first publication to publish my godless writing. But I am no longer willing to be connected with your organization.

I will continue to support local CFI groups, as they are largely independent of the national organization. ...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... g-support/

[Whig]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Like beating a dead horse.

[Badger3k]

Trying to catch up. May I just say: :popcorn:


Also, haven't seen this posted yet: Greta Christina withdraws from 10/2013 CFI Summit (CSICon):

Dear CFI Board of Directors:

It pains me to do this, but I am withdrawing my support from the CFI national organization, and am cutting ties with all events, projects, and publications connected with it.

This includes the following:

* I am withdrawing as a speaker from the CFI Summit in Tacoma in October.
* I am resigning my position as columnist for Free Inquiry magazine.
* I am declining the honorarium I earned for my recent speaking engagement at CFI headquarters in Amherst, NY. Please re-direct this payment to the Secular Student Alliance. If that is not possible, please go ahead and send it to me, and I will donate it to the SSA.
* My wife and I are cancelling our subscription to Skeptical Inquirer magazine. This last one makes me extremely sad: Skeptical Inquirer played an enormous role in my process of becoming a non-believer, and it was the first publication to publish my godless writing. But I am no longer willing to be connected with your organization.

I will continue to support local CFI groups, as they are largely independent of the national organization. ...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... g-support/

At least she's standing up for what she says. I wonder if PZ and Ophelia will not write for Free Inquiry anymore (assuming they still do that, I haven't read or purchased any for a while, but I remember when PZ proudly proclaimed that he had a column in the mag).

[Skep tickle]

PZ links to Christina; his whole blogpost reads

Greta Christina has completely cut all ties to CFI, including scheduled speaking engagements. Harsh, but warranted and necessary.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... hoa-harsh/

[AndrewV69]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

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https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

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Not to be a prude, but what exactly is being ridiculed here, incest or gay sex?

Neither as far as I am concerned. Just a bit of fun is my take on it.

Also :

nothing is holy. Hahaha awesome

Works for me too.

I imagine the lesson is just because you hang around here, there is no guarantee you will not at some point be be mercilessly mocked and/or photo-shopped. Ask Justin Vacula how much ridicule he has been subjected to in the Slymepit by his alleged allies.

The bottom line is that this place is not for the thin skinned. If you have delicate fee fees at some point they are going to get hurt.

[curriejean]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

Agreed. I happily denounce that too. Even though I don't see a reason why I had to. It gives the impression that I otherwise agree to such things ‒ which simply isn't the case. Nothing is different, I just make the gesture to prevent our disingenuous opponents from again making false accusations. Also, to my information the guy is not posting here. Not that it mattered in the past to them. :roll:

I must say, with no joking, I denounce sending letters via postal mail to Ophelia Benson and other EWTS speakers.

Why are you doing this? By "this" I mean caving to the opponent's "guilty by association until proven/professed innocent" narrative. What do Wiesner's actions have to do with you? At all? This question goes for SubMan too.

It's a letter. Paper instead of the usual LCD. A pretty lame thing to do a letter-writing campaign about IMO, but it's not like it contains threats or suspicious powders or something. I'd personally rather get something like this in the mail than all the coupons and advertising junk showing up day after day.

Tweeted back and forth with a few of you about this, honestly still do not understand why jimmies are so rustled. It could be that I'm just missing some pieces of the puzzle here. I'm open to correction.

[DownThunder]

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As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

As a gay man, I find nothing whatsoever offensive about this image. /shrug

As a non gay man, Al can be my alarm clock any day of the week.

[BarnOwl]

... so many guests

/off topic - Is your avatar Huey Freeman from Boondocks?

That comic strip helped me survive the Dubya years with my sense of humor intact.

Yes it is.
I remember the very first script in the Sunday Daily News and watched every episode of the show.
I like the show for it's ability to offend just about everybody.

... and I think Fred Willard saying the n-word is the funniest thing in the world.
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:lol: I'm going to have to watch the show now.

An older colleague, who's from Oakland/Berkeley (and the only other "out" progressive lefty treehugger type), and I used to piss ourselves laughing over the strip at least once a week. I still have several of them taped to a file cabinet - they're kinda crumbly now.

Granddad Freeman is the only adult who doesn't put up with Riley's shit.

[Pagancat]

Trying to catch up. May I just say: :popcorn:


Also, haven't seen this posted yet: Greta Christina withdraws from 10/2013 CFI Summit (CSICon):

Dear CFI Board of Directors:

It pains me to do this, but I am withdrawing my support from the CFI national organization, and am cutting ties with all events, projects, and publications connected with it.

This includes the following:

* I am withdrawing as a speaker from the CFI Summit in Tacoma in October.
* I am resigning my position as columnist for Free Inquiry magazine.
* I am declining the honorarium I earned for my recent speaking engagement at CFI headquarters in Amherst, NY. Please re-direct this payment to the Secular Student Alliance. If that is not possible, please go ahead and send it to me, and I will donate it to the SSA.
* My wife and I are cancelling our subscription to Skeptical Inquirer magazine. This last one makes me extremely sad: Skeptical Inquirer played an enormous role in my process of becoming a non-believer, and it was the first publication to publish my godless writing. But I am no longer willing to be connected with your organization.

I will continue to support local CFI groups, as they are largely independent of the national organization. ...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... g-support/

Wow these people really have an over inflated view of their importance. I wonder if it "pains" CFI that Greta is withdrawing her support. And oh noes she cancelling her subscription to Skeptical Inquirer Magazine. I'm sure they are pissing their pants

[Gumby]

Trying to catch up. May I just say: :popcorn:


Also, haven't seen this posted yet: Greta Christina withdraws from 10/2013 CFI Summit (CSICon):

Dear CFI Board of Directors:

It pains me to do this, but I am withdrawing my support from the CFI national organization, and am cutting ties with all events, projects, and publications connected with it.

This includes the following:

* I am withdrawing as a speaker from the CFI Summit in Tacoma in October.
* I am resigning my position as columnist for Free Inquiry magazine.
* I am declining the honorarium I earned for my recent speaking engagement at CFI headquarters in Amherst, NY. Please re-direct this payment to the Secular Student Alliance. If that is not possible, please go ahead and send it to me, and I will donate it to the SSA.
* My wife and I are cancelling our subscription to Skeptical Inquirer magazine. This last one makes me extremely sad: Skeptical Inquirer played an enormous role in my process of becoming a non-believer, and it was the first publication to publish my godless writing. But I am no longer willing to be connected with your organization.

I will continue to support local CFI groups, as they are largely independent of the national organization. ...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... g-support/

Hahaha. This is the failed strong-arm tactic of the desperate. They're flailing away, doing everything they can to make sure that the poo they're flinging somehow, somehow, sticks to CFI's windows.

Here's a hint for you Greta. Even if they send you a standard-issue "We deeply regret..." email, they don't care on fucking bit about your rage-tear-filled flounce. If they did, they would have supported your thugs and crucified Ron Lindsay in the first place, now wouldn't they?

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[Walter Ego]

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No, just gay and depressed.

Then your strategy to ignore the things that give you the irrits is the right one.

The black dog is a big nasty fucker and does not give a shit for rationality or logic.

Take care (and take nothing too seriously).

I’m also mentally ill and suicidal according to a spot online diagnosis by Parody Accountant. You learn something new every.

[DW Adams]

Guess what Greta? I'm clicking through on another tab and replacing your membership and subscription with my own.

No loss to CFI.

Boo fucking hoo

[Parody Accountant]

As a gay man, I find that image offense. If that is political correctness, so be it. Sue me. I’m way past the point of giving a fuck.

Fuck you.

Oh, and by the way...

Snagged EllenBeth Wachs for Saturday at noon EST on Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes. I'm putting this out here now so if you have any questions you feel are important to ask, pass them on to me. I am *not* going to make EllenBeth feel "on the spot" in any way so please ensure you posit your questions accordingly. This is a woman who's had to deal with a lot of shit in a very short space of time and I'm going to be accommodating to ensure she does not feel pressured or vilified in any way, shape, or form. Just an FYI :)

I haven't been keeping up with the pit for about the last six months (illness and other issues). Could someone update me on EllenBeth’s situation?

I don’t have any questions for her. Just tell her Walter Ego says hello.

... you're creepy.

As a creepy man, I find this offensive.

I've explained everything in this video:
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[sacha]

For SN and sacha:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/145386539X/

Hahahahahahahaha, they call it a "lady garden"!!! I haven't heard that one in a long long time. :lol:

If the book cover is anything to go by, the secret is to keep it breezy around one's nether regions. My balcony will do fine from spring to fall, but winter's going to be a bitch!

I meant to respond at the time, but forgot.

from the preview provided from Amazon, it reads like a cross between an "infomercial" and a children's book:

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the bizarre sing-song/cheerleading way it's written is extremely creepy.

...so grab a coffee, or glass of your favourite delish, bring your 'flower' into the limelight, and let this guide help to keep your lady garden in full bloom

I'm surprised the introduction does not close with "We are off to an adventure!"

[Gumby]

Someone named "Mel" made a good comment on EBW's blog post:

If you want know all about atheists, Pat Robertson and his followers will be happy to explain it to you.

If you want to know all about the pro-vaxxers, Mike “The Health Ranger” Adams and his followers will be happy to explain it to you.

If you want to know all about liberals, Rush Limbaugh and his followers will be happy to explain it to you.

If you want to know all about the Slymepit or Justin Vacula, PZ Myers and his followers will be happy to explain it to you.

They’re all about equally “accurate” and none of them would like you to go see for yourself, for obvious reasons.

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/16/i ... omment-367

It's all about the well-poisoning.

[Skep tickle]

Wow these people really have an over inflated view of their importance. I wonder if it "pains" CFI that Greta is withdrawing her support. And oh noes she cancelling her subscription to Skeptical Inquirer Magazine. I'm sure they are pissing their pants

I've just purchased a multi-year subscription to Skeptical Inquirer Magazine at http://csi-store.myshopify.com/. Good magazine, and I hear they may have a few extra copies available soon. ;)

(Pagancat, is it just a coincidence that your avatar looks like one maiforpeace used to use at atheismplus forum, or is there a story behind that?)