Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Metalogic42]

They suffer from the same Don’t Question Your Leaders delusion that the Slymepit does.

We've been Poe'd, I mean, come on.... they can't be serious, can they? Do they have any sense of irony AT ALL?

BTW, Metalogic42, I just love what you've done with your avatar. And I just bought myself a bear canister last week for a backpacking trip.

I'm so glad Tony won the contest. That parsehole!

[Apples]

Does anyone remember where the " Don't be surprised when he rapes your daughters" quote can be found in relation to Justin Vacula??

[Mykeru]

Steffy Zvan is pontificating that something is badly written, without noticing that her own statement is so badly written that it resembles a Korean to English Google translation. Her self-awareness is almost as rudimentary as that of Nerd of Redhead, the champion of minimal self-awareness.

doublereed @18:

I feel sorry for the person who was told to write this.

This is so badly written that it’s highly likely it was written by the person whose brilliant idea it was. I feel sorry for all the people who would never have written it who have had to see this statement go out under the name of the organization they’ve put so much into.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... statement/

But Stephanie, Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I tell you what CFI needs to do. They need to do way instain mother.

http://www.andrewpurcell.net/wp-content ... martin.jpg

Excuse me, may I mambo dogface in the banana patch?

[Steersman]

But Stephanie, Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I tell you what CFI needs to do. They need to do way instain mother.

I am truley sorry for their lots.

I love the pit so fucking much.

Indeed. Organized chaos. A never-ending stream of feedback from many different fingers on many different pulses. While one needs to have a filter or two for various reasons, the pictures that emerge – a product-placement note from one of our sponsors – seem rather more comprehensive and accurate than the ones apparently found in various echo-chambers ….

[another lurker]

They suffer from the same Don’t Question Your Leaders delusion that the Slymepit does.

We've been Poe'd, I mean, come on.... they can't be serious, can they? Do they have any sense of irony AT ALL?

BTW, Metalogic42, I just love what you've done with your avatar. And I just bought myself a bear canister last week for a backpacking trip.

I'm so glad Tony won the contest. That parsehole!

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

[treestump]

My favorite part of all this cfi thing is how after posting a link to the statement about WiS2, the next 7 tweets by the CFI's account have been about a haunted store, an abortion ban and sasquatchs.

While the FTB'ers are shaking in rage and writing article after article talking about withdrawing support and not sending money, the CFI is just doing their regular thing and paying no attention that. Well, publicly, at least.

I'm sure that bothers the FC(n) a lot :violin:

Meanwhile Marcotte, who promised a grand flounce, is tweeting about Miss Utah. C'mon lady, don't you know there's a war on?
http://i.imgur.com/SCZGJZn.png

Interestingly/Ironically, PZ also posting about Miss Utah.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments

ok, so the way he presents this story is about a person on a stage (Miss Utah) saying something that the FC(n) lunatics deem politically awkward, but instead of demanding that she be publicly humiliated, PZ is calling for reason, compassion, decency.
hmm, I know another person that FC(n) didn't like what he said on a stage, and were they calling for compassion and decency for Ron Lindsay ... nope.

The hypocrisy is wonderful. PZ is swiftly trying to change tack. Their biggest vendetta yet has failed spectacularly, and after the Atheism+, and trying to discredit DJ Grothe, they're screwed, like the Emperor's New Clothes, everybody can see that they are just a bunch of angry stupid people with nothing, NOTHING, to add to conferences or discussions around Atheism. Their input is not wanted. So now, psychologically, they MUST present themselves as compassionate and decent humans, to try and deflect any backlash against them. I expect a number of heartwarming stories over the next few days where PZ is being all warm and fuzzy and defending people, just to prove what an upstanding nice compassionate beardy old bloke he is. But he's not, he's a fucking disgrace.

So, Marcotte, PZ, Myers can withdraw their "CFI funding"; what, they sent 10 bucks between them every year to CFI? Well, who knows, but it was probably nothing. Frankly, I doubt anybody at CFI, except Melody, gives a flying fuck about your "funding" or membership. Ultimately, they were a bunch of angry internet blogging nobody twits, and the game is up.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see CFI funding to go UP as a result of this. People can see what filthy dishonest hypocritical fucks Marcotte, RW, Myers, Oafy, Stephanie etc are. Bye bye Myers you horrible filthy man that makes rape-jokes on your Google Chat sessions, you hypocritical fuck. Bye bye Beccie you talentless piece of shit.

[Cunning Punt]

Snagged EllenBeth Wachs for Saturday at noon EST on Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes. I'm putting this out here now so if you have any questions you feel are important to ask, pass them on to me. I am *not* going to make EllenBeth feel "on the spot" in any way so please ensure you posit your questions accordingly. This is a woman who's had to deal with a lot of shit in a very short space of time and I'm going to be accommodating to ensure she does not feel pressured or vilified in any way, shape, or form. Just an FYI :)

"EllenBeth, is it really really really true about the hired guards for Melody Hensley? Really? Really? Really?"

This has ramped up the lulz for me since Silverman's bullshit 2 days ago. Hilarious.

[Some lurker]

[Tribble]

You might want to consider that PZ did say that he had a sick sense of humour as a preface to his “slut” comment. And, considering that the definition of slut is “promiscuous woman” and that the “any time” comment might reasonably be construed as encompassing “promiscuous”, I at least don’t find PZ’s conclusion all that unreasonable or “misogynistic”. And I actually find it rather amusing. But if he had said something to suggest that he viewed all women as sluts or that sluts were morally reprehensible then you might have had a case. Otherwise, looks like you have your thumb on the scales.

While I will readily agree that PZ is a bit of a dickhead – notably for his comments about Marc Lepine, and for his responses to Skep tickle, I think it is important to be fair in our judgements.

I think it's fair because it is to his standard. And if any man but PZ Myers or one of his 'trusted sycophants' (and of that I'm not sure) dared to say anything like that today, you can' be damn sure he'd release the FtB hounds on him while libeling and slandering him from now until that rotten ticker of his gives up the ghost. And you and I both know Myers history on the Internet that supports that assertion because he's done it. Multiple times. So, in my book, he is judged and damned by his own position from which he has judged and damned others.

Now, if were someone else, with a more mature or deliberate understanding of what others were saying, I would very likely agree with you. But I judged Myers by his own standards. To do otherwise would by hypocritical.

[Metalogic42]

They suffer from the same Don’t Question Your Leaders delusion that the Slymepit does.

We've been Poe'd, I mean, come on.... they can't be serious, can they? Do they have any sense of irony AT ALL?

BTW, Metalogic42, I just love what you've done with your avatar. And I just bought myself a bear canister last week for a backpacking trip.

I'm so glad Tony won the contest. That parsehole!

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

[AmbivalentCynic]

Breaking: Amanda Marcotte once again throws a tantrum about atheism, shoring up all of her reader to combat the evil CFI

[deLurch]

The hypocrisy is wonderful. PZ is swiftly trying to change tack. Their biggest vendetta yet has failed spectacularly, and after the Atheism+, and trying to discredit DJ Grothe, they're screwed, like the Emperor's New Clothes, everybody can see that they are just a bunch of angry stupid people with nothing, NOTHING, to add to conferences or discussions around Atheism. Their input is not wanted. So now, psychologically, they MUST present themselves as compassionate and decent humans, to try and deflect any backlash against them. I expect a number of heartwarming stories over the next few days where PZ is being all warm and fuzzy and defending people, just to prove what an upstanding nice compassionate beardy old bloke he is. But he's not, he's a fucking disgrace.

Too complex for motivation. His book "The Happy Atheist" is coming out. He needs to appear less angry assholeish.

[Badger3k]

And in this case, Wikipedia states:

While a hand and a foot have many dissimilarities, the analogy is focusing on their similarity in having an inner surface.

And relative to the question of PZ and Gelato man versus the specific case of Mykeru and Ophelia, I was suggesting that the common element, the common relationship, was some rather unnecessary savagery and nastiness. As suggested by Stangroom, some problematic inability to “recognize the humanity in our opponents”.

If you know that humans aren;t angels, but can be mean, vicious, pieces of shit, then how is acknowledging that the person you're talking about is like that in any way being unable to recognize that they share humanity with us. It's pretty fucking obvious that they are human. Sorry, that type of argument never makes sense. Only in the most extreme cases do we see people saying that others are not human (ie, subhuman, comparing them to apes - which is technically true, but not meant in that sense), beasts, etc).

You can recognize that your enemy is human while wanting to inflict serious harm on him. We're complicated creatures, and to me that type of thinking puts things a little too black and white for me.

[Tribble]

Fuck if I know.

Bear-a Claus coming to give the 'good boys' their present?

[bhoytony]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6383/dxo.png

[Tribble]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6383/dxo.png

Luck that it was already done, or really that fast?

[justinvacula]

[youtube]CFdvw9nPcd8[/youtube]

Strike while the iron is hot!

#metalmonday

[bhoytony]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6383/dxo.png

Luck that it was already done, or really that fast?

Tineye

[Whig]

Snagged EllenBeth Wachs for Saturday at noon EST on Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes. I'm putting this out here now so if you have any questions you feel are important to ask, pass them on to me. I am *not* going to make EllenBeth feel "on the spot" in any way so please ensure you posit your questions accordingly. This is a woman who's had to deal with a lot of shit in a very short space of time and I'm going to be accommodating to ensure she does not feel pressured or vilified in any way, shape, or form. Just an FYI :)

"EllenBeth, is it really really really true about the hired guards for Melody Hensley? Really? Really? Really?"

This has ramped up the lulz for me since Silverman's bullshit 2 days ago. Hilarious.

Also, please ask about the support group plan to get Melody or Rebecca into the CFI top job.

[nippletwister]

"Trannies"? Really, Zvan...

http://s17.postimg.org/7lm56zeov/tranny_legos.jpg

Those aren't trannies, it's Three Dog Night singing "Shambala".

[Gumby]

I'm not a fan of Ellenbeth Wachs but I feel very angry that they've driven her away. They've shown absolutely no compassion at all. Cunts, the lot of 'em.

We've pointed out for a long time now, that when someone steps slightly "off message", they are quite happy to throw them under the bus, reverse over them, get off the bus and take a curry-shit on their bloodied, impacted faces, get back on the bus and drive it back to the depot that they stole it from, and them call the police and blame the dead person for stealing the bus.

:lol:

Perfect.

[bhoytony]

"Trannies"? Really, Zvan...

http://s17.postimg.org/7lm56zeov/tranny_legos.jpg

Those aren't trannies, it's Three Dog Night singing "Shambala".

I see no cleavage.

[Apples]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

download/file.php?avatar=472_1371430341.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/37 ... d4aac.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Stefanelli

[AndrewV69]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

It looks as if it was a meme at one point: http://www.bestmemes.com/image/24/0/883 ... g-son.html

Anyway, it could be a lot worse. It could have been an image from here:
(NSFW or the squeamish) http://imgur.com/r/spacedicks

[Steersman]

You might want to consider that PZ did say that he had a sick sense of humour as a preface to his “slut” comment. And, considering that the definition of slut is “promiscuous woman” and that the “any time” comment might reasonably be construed as encompassing “promiscuous”, I at least don’t find PZ’s conclusion all that unreasonable or “misogynistic”. And I actually find it rather amusing. But if he had said something to suggest that he viewed all women as sluts or that sluts were morally reprehensible then you might have had a case. Otherwise, looks like you have your thumb on the scales.

While I will readily agree that PZ is a bit of a dickhead – notably for his comments about Marc Lepine, and for his responses to Skep tickle, I think it is important to be fair in our judgements.

I think it's fair because it is to his standard. <snip>

Now, if [that] were someone else, with a more mature or deliberate understanding of what others were saying, I would very likely agree with you. But I judged Myers by his own standards. To do otherwise would by hypocritical.

Sorry, but I think the relevant standard is the definition of “misogyny”, i.e., “hatred of women” – presumably simply for being women. Which I think that statement of PZ’s quite clearly fails at.

Seems to me that you’re talking of his hypocrisy, or that of his fellow-travelers, which is a rather different kettle of fish.

[Zenspace]

Steffy Zvan is pontificating that something is badly written, without noticing that her own statement is so badly written that it resembles a Korean to English Google translation. Her self-awareness is almost as rudimentary as that of Nerd of Redhead, the champion of minimal self-awareness.

doublereed @18:

I feel sorry for the person who was told to write this.

This is so badly written that it’s highly likely it was written by the person whose brilliant idea it was. I feel sorry for all the people who would never have written it who have had to see this statement go out under the name of the organization they’ve put so much into.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... statement/

I though it was a masterfully-written piece of empty corp-speak. The hilarity of a statement criticizing someone else's writing that includes the word "written" three times in two sentences, four instances of the "the be" verb in a single sentence, and a 33-word sentence with no internal punctuation cannot be overstated. The fact that it ends on a preposition is icing. Honestly, it almost looks like someone trying to deliberately write badly as a joke... but knowing the source, I rather suspect she actually thinks her commentary was glowing prose that would echo through the ages.

Precisely. Good commentary on the balance of her comment. Gotta love it when the reviewer can't hold a flickering candle to the target of the review.

[Gumby]

"What caused the controversy, gang?" -Peezus

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... statement/

What an intentionally clueless fuck-wit.

The comments are hilarious:

Welp, I have just written off CFI entirely. Enjoy having to bend to the whims of the Slymepit, since they’ll be the only audience you’ll have left, you fuckers.

I don’t even…

I wasn’t even there and I’m practically shaking with rage right now.

But hey, even if they lost the support of many feminists, they can take mantle of Clubhouse #2 for the Slymepit.

Dear CFI:

Fuck off.

Kindest regards,

Kevin

I think it’s really nice of CFI to do fundraising for American Atheists like this.

@PZ Myers:

Maybe American Atheists needs to host the next WiS, cause you can be damned sure CFI isn’t.

They just refuse to eat that humble pie, don’t they…

They suffer from the same Don’t Question Your Leaders delusion that the Slymepit does.

These morons are abandoning CFI for issues that have absolutely fuck-all to do with CFI's mission of skeptical inquiry. What a bunch of loons. They don't want skepticism, they don't want atheism, they just want organizations that do those things to drop them and focus on their little social justice agenda.

What a farce.

Instead of trying to hijack organizations and bend them to their will (and try to fuck them into the ground when they don't capitulate), why don't they just nurture and develop the nascent organization Jen McCreight squirted out - Atheism Plus - and make it into the social justice organization of their dreams?

Oh right. That takes a lot of work. It's much easier (and cheaper) to hijack an existing organization, with a well-established business model, than it is to build one up from scratch.

Skeevy fuckers, the lot of them.

[Rystefn]

You might want to consider that PZ did say that he had a sick sense of humour as a preface to his “slut” comment. And, considering that the definition of slut is “promiscuous woman” and that the “any time” comment might reasonably be construed as encompassing “promiscuous”, I at least don’t find PZ’s conclusion all that unreasonable or “misogynistic”. And I actually find it rather amusing. But if he had said something to suggest that he viewed all women as sluts or that sluts were morally reprehensible then you might have had a case. Otherwise, looks like you have your thumb on the scales.

While I will readily agree that PZ is a bit of a dickhead – notably for his comments about Marc Lepine, and for his responses to Skep tickle, I think it is important to be fair in our judgements.

I think it's fair because it is to his standard. <snip>

Now, if [that] were someone else, with a more mature or deliberate understanding of what others were saying, I would very likely agree with you. But I judged Myers by his own standards. To do otherwise would by hypocritical.

Sorry, but I think the relevant standard is the definition of “misogyny”, i.e., “hatred of women” – presumably simply for being women. Which I think that statement of PZ’s quite clearly fails at.

Seems to me that you’re talking of his hypocrisy, or that of his fellow-travelers, which is a rather different kettle of fish.

By his own standards, that statement makes him a misogynist. By reasonable standards, it doesn't. That was the entire point of quoting it. How it this hard?

[Metalogic42]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

It looks as if it was a meme at one point: http://www.bestmemes.com/image/24/0/883 ... g-son.html

Anyway, it could be a lot worse. It could have been an image from here:
(NSFW or the squeamish) http://imgur.com/r/spacedicks

Shock images no longer shock me in the slightest (seriously, I clicked on that while eating dinner). Thanks, internet.

[Gumby]

Becci's blogpost is epic! Oh the hurt fee fees! The butthurt! Look at this:

With that last point in mind, fuck it: I’m boycotting and I hope you do, too. I’m not giving any more of my time or money to Center for Inquiry, just as I’ll no longer give any time or money to the JREF and Richard Dawkins. But in addition to this personal decision I’ve made, I’m actually asking you to do the same.

I hate CFI and you should too!
After ruining the JREF and Dawkins career with her last two Notboycotts I bet CFI are shitting themselves....Already Oolon has gravely announced he's withdrawing his "indirect support" and is no longer considering becoming a member! Oh noes! I bet they can never forgive themselves!


BTW, I wonder how long it will be before Melody Hensley gets thrown under the bus for working for them?


http://skepchick.org/2013/06/so-much-fo

Sweet! Another not-a-boycott from Twatson.

Oooh, I'm sure CFI is quaking in their shoes.

Becky should really stop doing this. It didn't work with Dawkins, and it won't work now. All it does is show how little influence she really has.

Now if she started her own personal one-woman boycott of the liquor industry, the stock market would start fluctuating wildly.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

It looks as if it was a meme at one point: http://www.bestmemes.com/image/24/0/883 ... g-son.html

Anyway, it could be a lot worse. It could have been an image from here:
(NSFW or the squeamish) http://imgur.com/r/spacedicks

Shock images no longer shock me in the slightest (seriously, I clicked on that while eating dinner). Thanks, internet.

It's a photo of Nerd of Redhead reminding Meyers who the real fucking daddy is on Pharyngula.

[Badger3k]

[...]
To tell the truth, I am really, really sick of fools like PZ, Watson, Benson, Silverman et. al. trying to climb up a dung heap and smearing the rest of us with excrement. Even though these people may share the word "atheist" with me, I want absolutely no association with them and certainly do not want then to speak on my behalf. They can take their anti-scientific post-modernism, social-constructivism and identity politics and start their own extreme left-wing group of nuts. Just don't drag us into it.

They should found a new movement called Post-Skepticism.

Skepticism+ doesn't have the right ring to it.

Atheism, Skepticism, Skepchicks - ASS ! It says it all, I think.

[another lurker]

The new avatar looks SO familiar - yet I can't place it. Who is that?

Fuck if I know.

It looks as if it was a meme at one point: http://www.bestmemes.com/image/24/0/883 ... g-son.html

Anyway, it could be a lot worse. It could have been an image from here:
(NSFW or the squeamish) http://imgur.com/r/spacedicks

I just love how there is a photo of Miley Cyrus in the middle of all the fucked up shit.

[DW Adams]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

[Gumby]

HaHa! Anybody know if there's any truth to this claim by EBW on Twitter?

EllenBeth Wachs ‏@EllenBethWachs 32m

If CFI didn't care about women, why did they honor Melody's request for unneeded security guards at WIS2 to protect against Justin Vacula?

Oh god, who listens to my prayers, please let that be true. It's too funny.

https://twitter.com/EllenBethWachs

I hope it's true too. I bet it is. EBW doesn't need to lie, the truth is more than damning enough at this point.

If it IS true, I guarantee no one thought they actually needed extra security because of Vacula. Of course it's just a way to heighten the hysteria level and ramp up the dramatics.

[Lsuoma]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

[justinvacula]

From Amanda Marcotte's newest temper tantrum....I am truly honored because she's talking about me [and Karla!] (with, of course, great misrepresentation and conspiracy theories)!

The Center For Inquiry Likes Atheism’s Cranky White Guy Image, So Screw You Ladies

FREEZEPAGE: http://www.freezepage.com/1371508499UXHLVJAGGW

A handful of anti-feminists specifically showed up at the conference with the intention of disrupting it, which they were mildly successful in doing insofar as Ron Lindsay helped them out. They flooded a Twitter hashtag dedicated to the conference in hopes that people would be unable to follow what was going on there. There isn’t going to be peaceful co-existence with them. They want feminism and all its claims, particularly about the full equality of women, to go the fuck away. And they will do whatever it takes to get that done.

Oh, yes, let me tell you - Karla and I, "a handful of anti-feminists" totally had intentions to disrupt the conference...by sitting in the back of the room and tweeting, hosting Brave Hero Radio, and ... well....

Flooded the hashtag so that people can't follow what's going on? Actually, most of my tweeting was reporting on what was said in talks...even what Marcotte said!

Ron Lindsay helped Karla and I disrupt the conference? Huh? OH, yes, I gave Ron a script and he read it. He's "parroting misandric thought."

Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

Meanwhile, the ringleader for the pro-harassment team is under 1,000 followers, and 850 of them he probably got for no other reason than his dogged harassment and abuse of feminists.

If you want an effective movement with a broad reach, this is roughly the dumbest move you could make. However, if your goal is to reinforce the public’s belief that secularism and atheism particularly is nothing but a bunch of misanthropic white guys whose only real goal is feeling superior to believers but who don’t care about making real change in the world, well job well done. And fuck you.

OH NO TWITTER FOLLOWERS!!!!!
...and who made me ringleader for the "pro harassment team?" The fuck?

and fuck you too, Amanda. Can you please boycott along with Watson and co. and write off the movement as you promised?

[Wonderist]

I'm reminded a bit of the late lamented Franz von Papen's idea that by including a certain Austrian corporal in government that "Within two months we will have pushed Hitler so far in the corner that he'll squeak." We encouraged Peezus to engage in his weapons-grade cuntishness while battling cretinists, and with every dig against them his head swelled, but frankly we unleashed a monster.

Good metaphor, sadly. I think this is more accurate than the alternative that someone else posted, which basically amounts to: "It was all entirely PZ's fault from the beginning." I don't think blame can be laid down so cleanly like that. Not that laying blame helps much, except to understand cause and effect. Ultimately, I think it boils down to a community-level lack of self-skepticism, letting certain things slide, so as not to raise a fuss.

And no, I don't think it's a Godwin, either, as there are several other examples from history that would serve just as well.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Hahahahaaaaahahahaahahahaaa :)

Translation of it for you : I IZ BUTTHURTZ

[Kareem]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

[youtube]WWaLxFIVX1s[/youtube]

[Metalogic42]

[Metalogic42]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

Dawkins has more followers than all of them combined. And Joe Rogan has even more than that. Just saying.

[Tigzy]

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

All those Twitter followers, and they still couldn't get Ron fired from the CFI.

Lacktivism at its finest.

[Gumby]

Just imagine, Melody Hensley, flanked by two massive bruisers in suits to protect her from.......Justin Vacula. Oh my god.....My SIDES!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I don't think it's a laughing matter. Just think of the cost to the taxpayers!

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... fda455.png

[Guest]

Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

Meanwhile, the ringleader for the pro-harassment team is under 1,000 followers, and 850 of them he probably got for no other reason than his dogged harassment and abuse of feminists.

If you want an effective movement with a broad reach, this is roughly the dumbest move you could make. However, if your goal is to reinforce the public’s belief that secularism and atheism particularly is nothing but a bunch of misanthropic white guys whose only real goal is feeling superior to believers but who don’t care about making real change in the world, well job well done. And fuck you.

The only reason Peezus et. ass have so many followers is because the SJW movement is basically a fad among college kids. Once they go back to being goth kids or some shit it'll blow over.

[Tigzy]

I now have this image of Mandy Marcotte in full-on Boadicea mode, yelling 'WOAR! WOAR!' as she stridently commands a chariot with barbed tweets surmounting the wheels, being hauled along by two snorting feminist-friendly men.

[Aneris]

The same issue is repeated on every level among the freedom-from-thinking crowds. What are the odds that mostly left-leaning progressive people harbour rampant sexist views? I don't claim that it's totally unheard of. But the odds that sexist remarks come from a troll are far higher than from someone in the community who generally intends to stick around (i.e. with a permanent, non-throw-away nym).

They don't have to go into Dear Muslima territory, or into the Middle East. The stereotypical macho or male chauvinist is very likely illiterate, has certainly no idea about gender or branches of feminism and certainly won't bother claiming they were interested in these things.

So what is the real reason the social justice warrior crowds turn against half the movement? And up the hierarchy, why would Watson stop supporting the very organisation that made Women in Secularism happen in the first place?

Exactly, it is about control. It is about placing oneself as the Go-To experts in certain matters. It is about gaining and keeping the (so-called) prerogative of interpretation. Otherwise we could all be bashing Christians for their Purity Movement. Instead they go extremer and extremer into less and less substantiated areas with hardly any merits, as it's convient to win the shouting match of who "denounces" the most and who is "against something the most" and thus, so they think, comes out as the best Go-To Person; which is basically the monopolizing of a cause, or a variant of Windmill Political.

At the moment that's the only reason why Watson would want to boycott the very organisation that states (letter) and acts (making the WIS) in the way she claims she cares for.

[Gumby]

Steffy Zvan is pontificating that something is badly written, without noticing that her own statement is so badly written that it resembles a Korean to English Google translation. Her self-awareness is almost as rudimentary as that of Nerd of Redhead, the champion of minimal self-awareness.

doublereed @18:

I feel sorry for the person who was told to write this.

This is so badly written that it’s highly likely it was written by the person whose brilliant idea it was. I feel sorry for all the people who would never have written it who have had to see this statement go out under the name of the organization they’ve put so much into.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... statement/

Yes, it was probably just one person who wrote and published that statement. Sure, sure, sure Stephanie... everyone else at CFI no doubt disagreed with it, and now they have to live with the sad consequences of someone speaking for an entire organization. You know, like when Melody Hensley pursues her personal agendas by using the official CFI Twitter account.

[justinvacula]

#SilvermanMustDenounce - Can we get this hashtag going? :o

[AndrewV69]

In other news (if you can manage to tear yourself away from the current drama) deep rifts abound about MGTOW over at AVfM.

Eleven billion US$ won’t save your marriage
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/

The MGTOW Slapdown includes some of my (now formerly) favorite video-makers like TheWoolyBumbleBee, mykeru, and TheCriticalG. The Slapdown is threatening to fracture the M(H)RM and has already dismasted the masthead of AVfM.

“Don’t run away”; “Don’t give up on women” they chant – their own version of NAWALT. Wooly has just published part one of a vicious seven-part assault on MGTOW and their supporters (like Karen Straughan / GirlWritesWhat), wherein Wooly shits on the idea that MHRM and MGTOW can get along, ironically proving her own toxicity to men while still urging men to see women like her as toxin-free.

Mykkkkkeeeeerrrrruuuuuu!!!

BTW ... the title refers to the Murdoch and Hamm divorces currently underway. Seeing as there are billions at stake I for one hope that they do get fucked over. It is a start to getting some of the laws changed.

[Wonderist]

This trend is convincing me more and more that I should be considering myself primarily a skeptic, and an atheist secondary. I hadn't realized it was this way, but it seems it is. I got to atheism rationally, skeptically, not because theism contradicts some other political ideology I hold dear. I mistakenly assumed others came to it the same way, when it seems in many cases they didn't. Theists aren't something to be afraid of! Jeez, I'll be debating an enthusiastically evangelical group of them in August for the fifth year in a row (March for Jesus / simultaneous March for Myths, fun times). It's gone more or less swimmingly every year. Many of them are easy enough to relate to, and most of them are much more personable than Silverman was tonight.

Hurray, welcome to the ranks of avowed skeptics-first, curriejean!

I figure I would become a theist if there were evidence for a god - if there were reliable evidence that stood up to scrutiny, of course, not that I expect that to happen - but I would still be a skeptic.

Funny thing about that: It used to be the case that it was a bit 'taboo' to go into religion in the skeptic's groups. Lots of different reasons were given (none very convincing to me, but those were the reasons given), so mostly it wasn't dealt with head on. So, the 'atheist' movement (I'm speculating here) seems to have branched off from that starting point: Well, the 'skeptics' don't want to talk about religion, so let's just call ourselves 'atheists' so we can. Skeptics have skeptic stuff (which atheists can partake of) and atheists have atheist stuff (same here). All's good.

But now it seems to have come full circle, and we need to bring the focus back to skepticism first, atheism as in indirect result of said skepticism. I never really bought into anything 'atheism' anyway, it was just a convenient label/google term/etc. to find the interesting discussions. The whole 'new atheism'/'gnu atheism' thing, I think is a reflection of that as well. There's nothing really 'new' about 'atheism' itself. It's just now *skeptics* are openly talking about and criticizing religion.

[Kareem]

Guys, we just lost:

I looked at some Twitter accounts to get a general idea of what this decision means for CFI. Rebecca Watson, who is now boycotting CFI in response to their cowardice, has nearly 30,000 Twitter follorws. PZ Myers, who is Team Feminist, has over 135,000 followers. Greta Christina, who has also written a post denouncing CFI for this, has over 7,500 followers.

All those Twitter followers, and they still couldn't get Ron fired from the CFI.

Lacktivism at its finest.

Here's a video with one of RW's followers:
[youtube]qEjMbpS2Whk[/youtube]
I think it's safe to say that not everyone who follows her actually cares about what she says.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

Yes, it was probably just one person who wrote and published that statement. Sure, sure, sure Stephanie... everyone else at CFI no doubt disagreed with it, and now they have to live with the sad consequences of someone speaking for an entire organization. You know, like when Melody Hensley pursues her personal agendas by using the official CFI Twitter account.

Just like Amanda Marcotte posts on her Ram Story piece:

*To be clear, their staff is still the same great group of people they always were, and I hope people don’t take this out on them.

It is an attempt to say "we support you, the workers, against your evil oppressors" ... oh wait, that sounds very much like communism or some other such 'ism'

[ReneeHendricks]

Yeah. This is kinda stalkery and creepy: http://www.freezepage.com/1371510703EHSJRBPKRG

Seriously. WTF?

[H. Korban]

Oh dear, Dave. Oh dear.
http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2 ... rmination/
I wonder how much evidence he will need to make a denouncement.

I'm glad it wasn't Vacula who made the blog.

Fun race stories from the founder of the KKK Slyme Pit--
D1 is taking dance classes this summer, including hip-hop. I think she is going to be really good at it (high energy kid, not afraid of anything, will try any/all tricks, very competitive girl).

We were watching 'Save the Last Dance' last night because of the ballet-hip-hop mix. D1 and D2 *did not understand* the 'controversy' of white girl/black boy. During the scene where they 'make out' on a bus to offend this old lady who didnt approve, the girls thought they were 'making out' because the old lady just didnt approve of kids making out in public. They *did not understand* the controversy of 'mixing' races.

Considering the shit I have gotten for dating outside my own race-- to see younger generations completely unable to comprehend a 'problem'-- I think that is fucking awesome.

When I decided to marry my white girl-friend, all hell broke loose. Half of my family refused to meet her, while the other half immediately started scheming to get her converted to Islam. I do not understand why skin color is such a sensitive when choosing a mate is concerned. Anyway, we just eloped and got married in a Colorado courthouse, with ourselves as witnesses (Colorado is perhaps the only state that does not need ministers or witnesses). It took about 15 minutes and afterwards we headed to work. Not very romantic, one might say. Eventually, things worked out just fine and my family accepted my wife, and love her and respect her a lot. We hope to live happily ever after.

[J.D.]

Oh dear, Dave. Oh dear.

http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2 ... rmination/

I wonder how much evidence he will need to make a denouncement.

Aww, so that explains Silverman's absurd anxiousness to label the Pit as KKK friendly. The greasy sleezeball was trying to deflect his own REAL racist problems directed at his clown show organization.

Nice job hooking up with the whiter-than-snow mad Fems at Skepchick and FTfB, Silverman you fucking pinhead.
http://i.imgur.com/7tPhgX0.jpg

[Guest]

It would be amusing if CFI declared that it had to cut Melody's job due to Rebecca's boycott-- And then later announced that donations had gone way up after Melody was cut, so they hired EBW as a replacement. Win-win.

[AndrewV69]

Amanda Marcotte just posted this:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/17/t ... ou-ladies/

Someone read it.

I get headaches from her shit.

I will try. No guarantees I will be able to finish it much less comprehend or comment afterwards.

To me she is just another oolon and my eyes, rather than seeing the glory of the lord in her prose, tends to just glaze over before I succumb to drivel induced narcolepsy.

[TheMan]

Hey Renee, can you ask Melody at what point a secret group called "Document the Hate" started as a support group?

The title seems like a bit of a misnomer to me.

[TheMan]

Hey Renee, can you ask Melody at what point a secret group called "Document the Hate" started as a support group?

The title seems like a bit of a misnomer to me.

I meant ask.. Ellen