Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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I've asked him which he prefers, & he said either Mick or Michael. Those who know him well may tend to call him by the more familiar name, which he sounds quite comfortable using.

(Which reminds me there's another word that has a substantially different meaning and acceptability in UK versus US...)

Fanny? In Scotland, "fanny" can be quite a non-controversial word, I've seen all sorts of people saying it "he's a right fanny", but some people take offence. Also the term "fanny pads" refers to a tampon or sanitary towel.
I'm nto sure, but I think the word 'fuck' can be controversial in the US. Not so in Scotland, where the beauty of language is celebrated and fuck is pretty much bread and butter such as"fuck. ah fuckin cut mah fuckin hand, it fuckin stings!" to which the correct response is "shut it ya fanny!". Fuck and fanny are fairly universally acceptably words for all occasions over here.
In North America fanny means arsehole ?

Douche also generally means shower (from the French) throughout Europe. The american usage is completely alien in Europe in my experience, so saying douchebag would be quite a lighthearted jokey thing over here (though I think in the US that's quite a serious insult ?).

[Cunning Punt]

yes, I know. and how is that defending her?

I read deLurch as saying: "In [her] 'defense', Mick is primarily..." meaning he thought she meant to use it that way.

oh. Thank you.

I misunderstood, deLurch, my apologies.

Yes, her deliberate use of "Mick" (as a Merkin) is far worse than referring to Richard Dawkins as "Dick".

Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:

even if we give her the benefit of the doubt as to the bigotry insinuated in the use of "Mick"
it's still a diminutive used derogatively. He is known as Michael, not Mick, and she certainly isn't a close friend of his.
She was making a disparaging remark, and using Mick instead of Michael deliberately.

A bit like (ahem) Beccy.

[BarnOwl]

If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.

His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.

You just wrote pretty much what I was going to write. I don't think he's been particularly neutral or fair so far. He's called out/focussed on certain posts at the 'Pit for scrutiny but hasn't done the same for the FTB crowd.

You know something? I don't think he'd dare. I really don't.

I'd be willing to accept that Nugent is being neutral and fair if someone can provide a concrete example of Benson, Myers, or Watson actually doing something to promote or achieve improvements in human rights that's relevant to the situation in Eire. Blog posts don't count, and neither does holding up a sign for yet another vanity photo-op.

OK, I'll make it easier ... doing something concrete for human rights anywhere. Walkathon fundraisers/charity runs for hospitals and clinics. Park, roadway, and waterway clean-up efforts. Volunteering to deliver meals to the elderly, read to the visually-impaired, mentor children (and not just the children of your atheist pals), advocate for accessibility of public transportation and spaces. There are a bajillion things to be done, all of them worthwhile and important. Speakers at these conferences should be leaders and significant participants in efforts to improve human rights and environmental justice. If they're not, then you're just inviting your friends, who will likely turn around and stab you in the back anyway.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Douche also generally means shower (from the French) throughout Europe. The american usage is completely alien in Europe in my experience, so saying douchebag would be quite a lighthearted jokey thing over here (though I think in the US that's quite a serious insult ?).

My first time in Florida (13yo): I wanted to have a shower, but averaged a F- in english classes at the time, so I asked "can I have a douche?"

Hillarity ensued...

[AnonymousCowherd]

I would have thought that as Mr Nugent's twitter account is @micknugent he would be happy being referred to as Mick.

Agree. But I think Svan was just making a pre-emptive claim on him for "their side" by playing up how matey they are. Especially after all that agreement they had over the North Korea talks dialogue.

[Zenspace]

If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.

His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.

You just wrote pretty much what I was going to write. I don't think he's been particularly neutral or fair so far. He's called out/focussed on certain posts at the 'Pit for scrutiny but hasn't done the same for the FTB crowd.

You know something? I don't think he'd dare. I really don't.

Bear in mind that Nugent was held fully in the sway of the FftB propaganda narrative until very recently. When he opened that initial dialog with Justin it was absolutely clear he was operating from a spoon-fed perspective. By his own admission, when he finally interacted directly with Pyt members, his prior perceptions were fundamentally shaken. He has tread very, very carefully ever since. I find it telling that he still allows a pretty free-wheeling dialog take place in his comments section and that anyone is free to jump in. The fact that be hasn't banned the Pyt commenters according to the whims of Peezus and company makes a pretty significant statement, which clearly the FftB crowd mightily peeved.

Also remember that some AI leaders have made clear that they do not accept the FftB narrative, as demonstrated clearly by the Derek Walsh twitter exchanges. AI has made a substantial commitment to the upcoming conference and have a vested interest in it coming off smoothly. It will be interesting to see how things play out after the conference. I don't expect much to change on the AI front, they have their own concerns to deal with that have nothing to do with things outside AI. FftB will react according to how good a job Nugent and company do placating the FftB drama queens.

Either way, we will see what happens in a few weeks.

[LMU]

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If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.

His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.

I don't necessarily think he's fair or neutral (I'm not as optimistic as Wonderist), I think just that he's fairer than the FC(n), and that we don't necessarily know as much about his views (positive or negative) as we think we do.

If I wanted to be charitable to MN, I would interpret his VaculaMustDenounce post as being the result of a poisoned well, which he might have climbed out of. His later moderations would be due to making allowances for unreasonable people whose cooperation he needs. For comparison: If I wanted to be uncharitable, then I'd interpret his relative fairness as an attempt to give the SP enough rope to hang itself, and the rest as you did above. A third interpretation would be that he thinks the "great rifts" are a huge waste of atheists' time, and anything that gets people to move on is good, even if he disagrees with or dislikes everyone involved.

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Douche also generally means shower (from the French) throughout Europe. The american usage is completely alien in Europe in my experience, so saying douchebag would be quite a lighthearted jokey thing over here (though I think in the US that's quite a serious insult ?).

My first time in Florida (13yo): I wanted to have a shower, but averaged a F- in english classes at the time, so I asked "can I have a douche?"

Hillarity ensued...

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

[Parody Accountant]

http://i.imgur.com/VmocHzC.png

[Gefan]

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

I can't stand Eli Roth (although I think Hostel was fairly intelligent and interesting) but here I have to sympathize with him.
Here's a quote from Roth reacting to criticism of his film from (perhaps understandably) offended Slovaks;

"My film is not a geographical work but aims to show Americans' ignorance of the world around them."

Maybe he'd feel vindicated by that woman's new-found terror of Europe, who knows?

[Lsuoma]

You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.

That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?

I'm not having a dig at you, Jack, but rather at the overall conference situation, which seems entirely slanted to placate Ophelia's narcissistic whims. I have to wonder what she demanded in order to feel "safe and welcome" enough to agree to continue with her all-expense-paid trip to Dublin. Ridiculous security measures? A personal security guard and massage therapist? Straightjacket and duct tape for Justin? It's absurd that anyone has to take that woman seriously.

My point entirely. I wasn't expecting him to lean Pit-wards. I'm disappointed he's giving extra special treatment to Feefles. I genuinely believe he's scared she'll flounce.

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If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.

His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.

You just wrote pretty much what I was going to write. I don't think he's been particularly neutral or fair so far. He's called out/focussed on certain posts at the 'Pit for scrutiny but hasn't done the same for the FTB crowd.

You know something? I don't think he'd dare. I really don't.

I don't think he'd dare either, but remember that the FC(n) are providing him with a collection of quotes that they attribute to the pit (even though many of those quotes did not originate on the pit i.e. basic intellectual dishonest which is the FC(n)'s main currency).

Has anyone provided Michael Nugent with a rundown of some of the insults, abuse, PZ Myers threats to doxx people etc? There's a lot of stuff, and of course Nugent doesn't have the time to go through all of this site or FfTB, so what he sees is limited to what he is provided. Skep Tickle's page 'o hate is a good start, but it's just new and so is just a drop in the ocean of what FfTB do. I fully expect that OB/SZ/PZ etc have a dossier of information (some factual things such as photoshopped images posted here, some quotes taken out of context so as to look racist or sexist, and some things that did not even happen here, such as rape threats, which will all be fallaciously attributed to 'slimer activity'), and so they get people on their side very quickly with that. From here, there is nothing equivalent to show the bullying tactics of the FfTB do, so people are going to be swayed by the misleading and inaccurate narrative that the FC(n) present to people like Michael Nugent and the comments that he quoted in his "Questions to Justin Vacula" blog posts.

[Southern]

I just want to say that I don't care at all how Stephie Snooze calls Michael Nuggets or whatever the boring Irish guy is called. He's a grown up fucker and should be able to defend himself if needed (and also he's the idiot paying for those people to fly there and talk shit, so he kinda deserves whatever the FTBrigade inflicts upon him). Also, I'm not surprised he went white-knighting poor Cobweb Prune - will someone think of the crazy old people already?!

Now, after that (ahem) very valuable input, as always, you may continue.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

I can't stand Eli Roth (although I think Hostel was fairly intelligent and interesting) but here I have to sympathize with him.
Here's a quote from Roth reacting to criticism of his film from (perhaps understandably) offended Slovaks;

"My film is not a geographical work but aims to show Americans' ignorance of the world around them."

Maybe he'd feel vindicated by that woman's new-found terror of Europe, who knows?

We drove through Slovakia in 2007 during a tour, and mostly had a grim glimpse of Bratislava. I have to admit that whatever one sees from regular traffic lines is not really nice (those kids gangs? yes, they exist). Hostel made me quite angry and distressed. Pointless "kill for the fun of killing" shit, but very well executed. And then we saw the factory's chimneys...

We did wait another 100 kms before we stopped for a driver's pause. Thanks Eli!

Lots of nice people there, though.

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Got to love what an unashamed lying weasel hypocrite scumbag OB truly is:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... arassment/
Talking on Sara Mayhew

Wow. She tagged Michael Nugent. She’s actually actively trying to get me disinvited from a speaking engagement at a conference. Now that’s harassment.
It’s a lie, too. I don’t bully secular women. I don’t, for instance, do what Sara Mayhew does. I don’t endlessly tweet about people I dislike. I don’t try to get them disinvited from things. I don’t make up shit about them.

Really Ophelia? Is that harassment Ophelia? Then what do you call it when you do exactly those things to Justin Vacula, Ron Lindsay, and whoever is the current witch of the week (odds on favourite for July is a certain Michael Nugent). Tweeting about them constantly, trying to get them disinvited from thins, making shit up about them, and more, trying to actually get them fired from positions (Vacula and Lindsay).
The lies, the bullying, but it works! It's a system that she has made work for her, because Atheist Ireland have rolled over and are accommodating her lies. They've taken it all in, hook, link and stinker, that she is some poor honest angel that has been stalked and abused by evil slimer agents. Wow, words cannot express what an evil lying bullying scumbag Ophelia Benson truly is.

[TedDahlberg]

The 'red' atheist skeptic dialogue?

http://i.imgur.com/lBBqL4H.jpg

https://dyingunderalienstars.files.word ... ds_ftb.png

[Dick Strawkins]

Has anyone provided Michael Nugent with a rundown of some of the insults, abuse, PZ Myers threats to doxx people etc? There's a lot of stuff, and of course Nugent doesn't have the time to go through all of this site or FfTB, so what he sees is limited to what he is provided.

Good question.
Soon after he started to attack the slymepit Nugent was shown a list of the various pharyngula porcupine rape threats and Peezus' encouragement of such behavior.
He chose to ignore this completely - while at the same time seeking more material to condemn the slymepit.
He knows full well that Pharyngula is a cesspit of obnoxious behavior but he chooses to keep his lips sealed.

Nugent is one of Myers conference drinking buddies. This upcoming meeting is the third time Nugent has paid for Peezus to visit Dublin and they are often together at other atheist conferences - you can see him here in the background, hanging out in a Cologne beer garden with Peezus, Watson, Taslima Nasreen, and Thunderfoot.

[youtube]CyNjpElNSoU[/youtube]

The guy is loyal to his friends, I get that.
But let's not kid ourselves that there is any sort of neutrality being applied here.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

The lies, the bullying, but it works! It's a system that she has made work for her, because Atheist Ireland have rolled over and are accommodating her lies. They've taken it all in, hook, link and stinker, that she is some poor honest angel that has been stalked and abused by evil slimer agents. Wow, words cannot express what an evil lying bullying scumbag Ophelia Benson truly is.

Re-reading Hitchens' 'The Missionary Position', and I find more than a few correlations between M. Theresa and Ophie. Sure, correlation does not mean causation, but it's quite eery.

[Za-zen]

Was i sleeping when this was discussed in the pyt? Just found it.



I am led to believe that the person doing the AMA is none other that zinnia jones.
http://athmorality.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... adley.html

What the actual fuck?! What a fame hunting fuckwit of the highest order.

[Dick Strawkins]

Was i sleeping when this was discussed in the pyt? Just found it.



I am led to believe that the person doing the AMA is none other that zinnia jones.
http://athmorality.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... adley.html

What the actual fuck?! What a fame hunting fuckwit of the highest order.

Yes, we did discuss it at the time.
And yes, it is the biggest pile of What-the-fucking-fuck that you can imagine.

Zinnia Jones has been in the media before about her involvement in the periphery of this case (some webchats with Manning long before the case broke) but you cannot imagine anyone with an IG higher than that of a root vegetable thinking that this was a good idea.

[Mykeru]

Bear in mind that Nugent was held fully in the sway of the FftB propaganda narrative until very recently. When he opened that initial dialog with Justin it was absolutely clear he was operating from a spoon-fed perspective. By his own admission, when he finally interacted directly with Pyt members, his prior perceptions were fundamentally shaken. He has tread very, very carefully ever since. I find it telling that he still allows a pretty free-wheeling dialog take place in his comments section and that anyone is free to jump in. The fact that be hasn't banned the Pyt commenters according to the whims of Peezus and company makes a pretty significant statement, which clearly the FftB crowd mightily peeved.

Yet another reason I get annoyed at the whole "atheist/skeptic" conflation. I've said before that I prefer the term "skeptic" to take primacy and assume, if one is just a little skeptical one would probably be an atheist. That's not how it cashes in in the real world. People like Nugent are by no definition of the word "skeptics". I see nothing in the way he approaches claims that suggests he is. In fact, the degree to which he swallowed the whole "Pit denies women are human beings" crap shows what a lack of skepticism he has.

Frankly, I see Nugent, Myers, Christina and the rest of that "atheist" clown car as simply "anti-theists". Their shtick is to piss off the Pope, nail crackers and strike a blow against tyranny by using cruciform dildos and, not incidentally, engage in self-aggrandizement in the process.

They lack the humility before fact to be skeptics.

[Mykeru]

Douche also generally means shower (from the French) throughout Europe. The american usage is completely alien in Europe in my experience, so saying douchebag would be quite a lighthearted jokey thing over here (though I think in the US that's quite a serious insult ?).

My first time in Florida (13yo): I wanted to have a shower, but averaged a F- in english classes at the time, so I asked "can I have a douche?"

Hillarity ensued...

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

Right, because, as we know, there are no stupid people in Europe with erroneous and fear-driven views of other cultures.

http://cdn1.pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/4 ... edium.jpeg

Godwinned the fuck out of that .

[Gefan]

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

I can't stand Eli Roth (although I think Hostel was fairly intelligent and interesting) but here I have to sympathize with him.
Here's a quote from Roth reacting to criticism of his film from (perhaps understandably) offended Slovaks;

"My film is not a geographical work but aims to show Americans' ignorance of the world around them."

Maybe he'd feel vindicated by that woman's new-found terror of Europe, who knows?

We drove through Slovakia in 2007 during a tour, and mostly had a grim glimpse of Bratislava. I have to admit that whatever one sees from regular traffic lines is not really nice (those kids gangs? yes, they exist). Hostel made me quite angry and distressed. Pointless "kill for the fun of killing" shit, but very well executed. And then we saw the factory's chimneys...

We did wait another 100 kms before we stopped for a driver's pause. Thanks Eli!

Lots of nice people there, though.

Phil,
I should clarify the defense of Hostel - it usually gets me into trouble.
In general, the whole "torture porn" sub-genre I find repulsive. The fans of it genuinely disturb me (which was tricky when I had a close friend - now, alas, deceased - who was one of them). The success of that interminable series of Saw films which appear to exist solely to expand the frontiers of creative cruelty seem to me to suggest that Bin Laden might have had a point about western culture.
Having said all that, I thought Hostel was more than competently done and had somethings to say.
First, it was queasily believable and played very well with the sense of the locals knowing something the outsiders did not.
As an exploration the ultimately de-humanizing potential of capitalization it was shrewd and Roth (who's Jewish) I think knew what he was doing with the image of the smokestacks on the edge of the Eastern European town belching out oily black smoke that no-one wants to discuss.
Had the suits been willing to go with the original ending (it's available on Youtube) you'd have had something very, very powerful. A hero so brutalized it's suggested he is now capable of the most unthinkable crime and a human monster who is shown to be capable of deep familial love.
In the end , I don't care that much about defending the film (or Roth, who I think is, on balance, a jackass). I want to clarify that in general I'm not a fan of that sort of thing (quite the opposite) but, in this specific case there were extenuating circumstances.

[Dick Strawkins]

Bear in mind that Nugent was held fully in the sway of the FftB propaganda narrative until very recently. When he opened that initial dialog with Justin it was absolutely clear he was operating from a spoon-fed perspective. By his own admission, when he finally interacted directly with Pyt members, his prior perceptions were fundamentally shaken.

Nope.
Don't accept that for a second.
I think Nugent is far more attuned to the online scene than you seem to think.
The guy is not an idiot. In fact he has a decent brain and actually came up with some decent positive proposals for the movement that he produced at the Dublin conference. Unfortunately for him - and the rest of us - all this positivity was overshadowed by the atheist movement deciding that it's number one priority was "get a job for Rebecca" - and fuck all the rest of that shit like not believing in God or opposing religious hegemony.
What I see in his Vaculamustdenouncetheslymepit is his throwing in his lot with the Adam Lees of the world.
It was a conscious and political decision to eschew skepticism and evidence for political influence.

[Tribble]

Since the Pit has become the Tech help Centre - does anyone know how to deal with that bloody Search Redirect trojan/virus thingy. A simple answer that actually works would be nice.

The conduit version? You'll need cccleaner and instructions on the net. This is the simple version reply.

These guys seem to know what they're doing. Read their advice. Link here:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ ... e-private/


I haven't had this one. I know it's bastard, though. Really hard to get rid of.

[JackSkeptic]

You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.

That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?

I'm not having a dig at you, Jack, but rather at the overall conference situation, which seems entirely slanted to placate Ophelia's narcissistic whims. I have to wonder what she demanded in order to feel "safe and welcome" enough to agree to continue with her all-expense-paid trip to Dublin. Ridiculous security measures? A personal security guard and massage therapist? Straightjacket and duct tape for Justin? It's absurd that anyone has to take that woman seriously.

I'm sure there's been a lot of demanding emails from her to him over the recent past. The fact is he is responsible for a successful conference and others in his organisation also have authority there, it is not just him. So politically he is probably stuck between a rock and a hard place so his default position is to do whatever is required to protect AI and therefore the conference. Of course after that it will change.

[Za-zen]

Douche also generally means shower (from the French) throughout Europe. The american usage is completely alien in Europe in my experience, so saying douchebag would be quite a lighthearted jokey thing over here (though I think in the US that's quite a serious insult ?).

My first time in Florida (13yo): I wanted to have a shower, but averaged a F- in english classes at the time, so I asked "can I have a douche?"

Hillarity ensued...

Dealing with some Americans inability to understand *anything* about the world outside of America is often funny :). An American woman once told me that she would *never* visit Europe. I asked why not, saying that there are beautiful places, culture, languages, food. She told me "I saw a film called Hostel, and American people get kidnapped and tortured, and that's what happens in Europe! It's not safe in Europe, so I'm staying in the USA where it's safe!".

Right, because, as we know, there are no stupid people in Europe with erroneous and fear-driven views of other cultures.

http://cdn1.pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/4 ... edium.jpeg

Godwinned the fuck out of that .

At least when we do it in Europe, we do it in style.

My old Unit had quite a number of Wehrmacht marching songs as part of our chants. Mainly because of the influx of ex SS into our ranks post WW2

[youtube]pIQZjE5AeU[youtube][/youtube]

Our version

[youtube]35Ew9z0Hwe4[/youtube]

[Za-zen]

Borked that link. It was/is my favourite march song

[youtube]pIQZjE5AeU[/youtube]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

this was my company's chant at the time. It's been disgutingly co-opted by right-wings-fascists since then:

[youtube]Yvy2_7d_VmI[/youtube]

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and I don't believe most of the New World Order stuff, but I don't think what this guy is saying can be ignored (many people say that an idea of "conspiracy" must be mocked, but conspiracies have been a part of the reality of all civilizations for all time, and I'd rather find out what's possible and what's not; to simply dismiss all possibility of 'conspiracies' is dogmatic foolishness)

People in power do things behind the scenes to benefit themselves and to consolidate their power. Many people who feel buffeted by outside forces beyond their control find a sort of comfort in belief in elaborate conspiracies (9/11 demolitions*, chem-trails, "frankenfood", etc.) Unlike the opaque machinations of the elite, the conspiracies, though false, are at least tangible.

If you're actually covertly doing something nefarious, a wild conspiracy theory about your actions provides great cover -- it can be easily debunked, and the scent of your trail lost, the pursuit dropped. With the example of GM food, the protesters are so ignorant of basic genetics that they make preposterous accusations, while missing the real dangers: the patenting of DNA and the manipulation of the food market.

You correctly note that any skeptical inquirers into the activities of politicians, governments or corporations are often dismissed as "conspiracy nuts." Yet the covert trampling of our basic freedoms exposed by Edward Snowden are too stark and egregious for further inquiry to be dismissed as "crackpot." (Hopefully.)

The endless "War on Terror" is indeed Orwellian.
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy”, warned James Madison, hardly a crackpot. "Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended … and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people…. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."



(* fwiw, my take on what really happened on 9/11:
http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2 ... cy-enough/

[JackSkeptic]

About the fairness or otherwise of Nugent the few times I have communicated with him directly he has been fair. Also I have on occasion hardly been his sycophant when posting on his own blog. I gave him a direct warning at the time that he had made a big mistake when he blogged about the Benson troll pic. At the risk of boring people to tears this is a post I made this morning. I could never imagine any of the usual suspects at FtB allowing it through:



' Ian you made a good point, often overlooked, here:

(355)
‘….. so now the trolls are hungry. They want a new drama. They want somebody who is easily provoked, somebody whose buttons are well known and readily pushed, somebody who will produce a great deal of entertainment as a result……’

Now it is obvious this sort of trolling goes on all the time. The Slympit had a few nasty attacks of it, even one which Nugent picked up and and made a blog about. The timing could not have been more fortuitous. However I suspect that troll could not believe his luck that anyone would see it other than as simply a troll attack which should be ignored.

To be fair Michael wrote his blog to address how we discuss such things but in doing so fed the troll enough food to last a life time. It should have been ignored but instead it caused personal stress to the person involved as well as a lot of heated discussion which should never have been necessary and actually set back the discussions we had had so far (which was the trolls intent of course)

What galls me is the fact some from FtB will know this. Yet they are happy to assume the worst and credit it to ‘Slympitters’ when it suits them. It is a largely open and unmoderated forum and it happens.

Conversely, as many at FtB heavily moderate their blogs they do not have this issue. So there is a major imbalance which is exploited by trolls and by some at FtB to attack decent people.

When I see people listing all the horrible and hateful messages they receive I either see nothing of the sort of there is no evidence whatsoever it comes from our community or is even an issue reflecting the behaviour of society as a whole. The world has horrible people. Not news is it?

Michael’s call to give the benefit of the doubt to people and assume good faith is being routinely ignored and that is one of the core issues we have. It is against skeptisim and reason and attacks the foundations of what made the atheist movement so effective.

Personally I do not give a stuff what someone’s beliefs are but I do care about how people try and force those beliefs on others by their behaviour. I take strong exception to the false narratives and call out culture. It is not what this movement is about. We leave that sort of behaviour to the religious extremists and peddlers of woo.'

[JackSkeptic]

You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.

That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?

I'm not having a dig at you, Jack, but rather at the overall conference situation, which seems entirely slanted to placate Ophelia's narcissistic whims. I have to wonder what she demanded in order to feel "safe and welcome" enough to agree to continue with her all-expense-paid trip to Dublin. Ridiculous security measures? A personal security guard and massage therapist? Straightjacket and duct tape for Justin? It's absurd that anyone has to take that woman seriously.

My point entirely. I wasn't expecting him to lean Pit-wards. I'm disappointed he's giving extra special treatment to Feefles. I genuinely believe he's scared she'll flounce.

I would be surprised if she did not threaten it. The whole thing was a big distractor from her doxxing. Oh and I WANT her to go there. Anything for the lulz. People saying we are all wailing and gnashing teeth because she is going is rubbish.

[treestump]

Right, because, as we know, there are no stupid people in Europe with erroneous and fear-driven views of other cultures.

http://cdn1.pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/4 ... edium.jpeg

Godwinned the fuck out of that .

I said "some" ;) Nice Godwin though, but man, you got to give it to the Germans, they really won the "fashion war". Anyway, is Hitler still alive, wikipedia tells me that all this that you refer to happened 70 years ago (but wikipedia's full of shit)? I'd say 80-90% of people in most countries don't have a fucking clue what happens outside their own countries, but that good film about media propoganda (mainly related to Palestine) made some good points about how mainstream reporting within the USA is far insular than other countries


Anyway, now we have the Rise of EU Fascism. This guy is great (people call him a racist, which is ludicrous propaganda, his main objective is just to shut down the EU). Seriously, if you've heard that UKIP are racists or the same as BNP, watch these and rethink that, he has some nerve standing up to these people and his points are good:


The looks on everyone's faces whenever he gets up to speak are hilarious.

who's this guy?
http://twg2a.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/image007.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xfpt-teWRFE/U ... a_nazi.jpg

[Mykeru]

Was i sleeping when this was discussed in the pyt? Just found it.



I am led to believe that the person doing the AMA is none other that zinnia jones.
http://athmorality.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... adley.html

What the actual fuck?! What a fame hunting fuckwit of the highest order.

Yes, we did discuss it at the time.
And yes, it is the biggest pile of What-the-fucking-fuck that you can imagine.

Zinnia Jones has been in the media before about her involvement in the periphery of this case (some webchats with Manning long before the case broke) but you cannot imagine anyone with an IG higher than that of a root vegetable thinking that this was a good idea.

I think one comment in the Guardiansums them all up nicely along with Zinnia Jones:

This "Woman" & her friends are TOXIC media whores who would sell their souls (if they had one) for 15mins of fame, self obsessed & downright nasty is what they are. I have no doubt she'll sleep just fine.

[Za-zen]

Lol Phil. We co-opted theirs. Probably the best example from our chants

[youtube]2QI9nogw4Xc[/youtube]

[Mykeru]

I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job,

My last coloscopy was an inside job.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/VCupasJ2Tbs/mqdefault.jpg

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Lol Phil. We co-opted theirs. Probably the best example from our chants

2QI9nogw4Xc

Video not available in my country.

WTF is Treestump about? Don't answer that...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Section song:

[youtube]Sn3cqNzggcQ[/youtube]

I was the "tune man" back then. Lots of fun...

[treestump]

I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job,

My last coloscopy was an inside job.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/VCupasJ2Tbs/mqdefault.jpg

Was it the same people that were behind 9/11 that did that? That is tragic man; we should find some yellowcake in a country and then bomb them into the middle ages for terrorising your colon in this way.

[Za-zen]

Was i sleeping when this was discussed in the pyt? Just found it.



I am led to believe that the person doing the AMA is none other that zinnia jones.
http://athmorality.blogspot.co.uk/2013/ ... adley.html

What the actual fuck?! What a fame hunting fuckwit of the highest order.

Yes, we did discuss it at the time.
And yes, it is the biggest pile of What-the-fucking-fuck that you can imagine.

Zinnia Jones has been in the media before about her involvement in the periphery of this case (some webchats with Manning long before the case broke) but you cannot imagine anyone with an IG higher than that of a root vegetable thinking that this was a good idea.

I think one comment in the Guardiansums them all up nicely along with Zinnia Jones:

This "Woman" & her friends are TOXIC media whores who would sell their souls (if they had one) for 15mins of fame, self obsessed & downright nasty is what they are. I have no doubt she'll sleep just fine.

Blatant attention whore, is blatant attention whore, blatantly attempting to move her z ass to Y list via spotlight leeching. Similar mentality to the "kiss and tell" wannabe glamour models who hope fucking a celeb will propel them into stardom.

[Za-zen]

Section song:

I was the "tune man" back then. Lots of fun...

Yeah i was usually told to shut the fuck up, move my lips without the noise.

[Tony Parsehole]

Phil,
I should clarify the defense of Hostel - it usually gets me into trouble.
In general, the whole "torture porn" sub-genre I find repulsive. The fans of it genuinely disturb me (which was tricky when I had a close friend - now, alas, deceased - who was one of them). The success of that interminable series of Saw films which appear to exist solely to expand the frontiers of creative cruelty seem to me to suggest that Bin Laden might have had a point about western culture.
Having said all that, I thought Hostel was more than competently done and had somethings to say.
First, it was queasily believable and played very well with the sense of the locals knowing something the outsiders did not.
As an exploration the ultimately de-humanizing potential of capitalization it was shrewd and Roth (who's Jewish) I think knew what he was doing with the image of the smokestacks on the edge of the Eastern European town belching out oily black smoke that no-one wants to discuss.
Had the suits been willing to go with the original ending (it's available on Youtube) you'd have had something very, very powerful. A hero so brutalized it's suggested he is now capable of the most unthinkable crime and a human monster who is shown to be capable of deep familial love.
In the end , I don't care that much about defending the film (or Roth, who I think is, on balance, a jackass). I want to clarify that in general I'm not a fan of that sort of thing (quite the opposite) but, in this specific case there were extenuating circumstances.

I hate the torture-porn genre. I've gave it a go and it's not for me. I find it hard enjoy sitting through 90 minutes of people begging and screaming whilst they get cut apart with power tools or are forced to eat somebody elses shit.
I actually rated Saw over Hostel as I found the latter plain gratuitous and the former slightly tongue-in-cheek and campy. Human Centipede is, on every single level, possibly the worst movie ever created and that's including "Troll".

[Mykeru]

Section song:

I was the "tune man" back then. Lots of fun...

Yeah i was usually told to shut the fuck up, move my lips without the noise.

[youtube]7-2jLLMdEBw[/youtube]

Obligatory

[treestump]

Lol Phil. We co-opted theirs. Probably the best example from our chants

2QI9nogw4Xc

Video not available in my country.

WTF is Treestump about? Don't answer that...

It was just about this video that I commented on that Mykeru shamefully, harassingly, threateningly took out context cos he's such a fucking cunt!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... rveillance

It's the full video that Dead Man Walking dude made. Worth watching. I was saying that I don't believe the mass conspiracies theories, but that things like gorvernments, much like FfTB, do conspire to create false narratives all the time, cos lying governments and lying FC(n)'s don't give many fucks about the truth. As this guy points out, the basic Totalitarian state masquerading as Democracy is pretty much where we are at now.

[Cunning Punt]

If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.

His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.

You just wrote pretty much what I was going to write. I don't think he's been particularly neutral or fair so far. He's called out/focussed on certain posts at the 'Pit for scrutiny but hasn't done the same for the FTB crowd.

You know something? I don't think he'd dare. I really don't.

I don't think he'd dare either, but remember that the FC(n) are providing him with a collection of quotes that they attribute to the pit (even though many of those quotes did not originate on the pit i.e. basic intellectual dishonest which is the FC(n)'s main currency).

Has anyone provided Michael Nugent with a rundown of some of the insults, abuse, PZ Myers threats to doxx people etc? There's a lot of stuff, and of course Nugent doesn't have the time to go through all of this site or FfTB, so what he sees is limited to what he is provided. Skep Tickle's page 'o hate is a good start, but it's just new and so is just a drop in the ocean of what FfTB do. I fully expect that OB/SZ/PZ etc have a dossier of information (some factual things such as photoshopped images posted here, some quotes taken out of context so as to look racist or sexist, and some things that did not even happen here, such as rape threats, which will all be fallaciously attributed to 'slimer activity'), and so they get people on their side very quickly with that. From here, there is nothing equivalent to show the bullying tactics of the FfTB do, so people are going to be swayed by the misleading and inaccurate narrative that the FC(n) present to people like Michael Nugent and the comments that he quoted in his "Questions to Justin Vacula" blog posts.

Somebody put a big list there a few weeks ago. It's on a previous blog post of Nugents I think. You could do a search for "porcupine" or "die in a fire".

[Lsuoma]

You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.

That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?

I'm not having a dig at you, Jack, but rather at the overall conference situation, which seems entirely slanted to placate Ophelia's narcissistic whims. I have to wonder what she demanded in order to feel "safe and welcome" enough to agree to continue with her all-expense-paid trip to Dublin. Ridiculous security measures? A personal security guard and massage therapist? Straightjacket and duct tape for Justin? It's absurd that anyone has to take that woman seriously.

My point entirely. I wasn't expecting him to lean Pit-wards. I'm disappointed he's giving extra special treatment to Feefles. I genuinely believe he's scared she'll flounce.

I would be surprised if she did not threaten it. The whole thing was a big distractor from her doxxing. Oh and I WANT her to go there. Anything for the lulz. People saying we are all wailing and gnashing teeth because she is going is rubbish.

She IS threatening it already, indirectly. The "trying to get me disinvited" BS is setting up the "Feefles is too threatened to go!" narrative. She knows how to play these suckers. Expect much more arslikhan in the coming weeks.

[Dave]

The Beatification begins (Eire is a Roman Catholic Country after all..):

http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/teflon.jpg

So much for Gurdur's claim of getting results.

[Southern]

I don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job,

My last coloscopy was an inside job.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/VCupasJ2Tbs/mqdefault.jpg

Was it the same people that were behind 9/11 that did that? That is tragic man; we should find some yellowcake in a country and then bomb them into the middle ages for terrorising your colon in this way.

Who's terrorizing oloon?

[Dick Strawkins]

Somebody put a big list there a few weeks ago. It's on a previous blog post of Nugents I think. You could do a search for "porcupine" or "die in a fire".

This one?

Pharyngula unique amongst atheist sites has, as part of their community rules and standards, an explicit promotion of sexually violent imagery as a means of abusing those it deems targets.
I quote from the PZ Myers official instructions:

“Don’t waste time whining at anyone that they’re not nice, because this gang will take pride in that and rhetorically hand you a rotting porcupine and tell you to stuff it up your nether orifice.”

‘OK’, you may say, ‘that’s just a humorous metaphorical line. Nobody is going to take it seriously’, are they?

The evidence suggests otherwise. It is trivially easy to find the most violent and triggering imagery being used against commenters who dare to disagree with the established members of the community.

1. “I am going to personally see to it that an especially rotten and dribbly dead porcupine is rammed so far up their rectum that they are picking bits of it out of their teeth for the foreseeable future.”

2. “Fuck ‘em with decayed porcupines and red hot pokers! I’m drunk and I’m priviledged and I’m human thus fallible all hell but fuck those douchcanoes and make it hurt!”

3. “the porcupines are still located to the left of the door as you leave. Grab on. Shove it where it will do the most good (to the entire world), and then go die in a fire. Slowly.”

4. “stick a decaying porcupine dipped in hot tar and glass shards up his pustule-covered arse sideways, slowly.”

5. “Take your fucking sympathies for predators and shove them up your ass and chase them with a dead, rotting porcupine that’s been marinating in capsaicin.”

6. “You are fucking tiresome and I wish you would shove a rotting porcupine up your ass.”

7. “May a necrotic porcupine fester, unremovable in your bowels.”

8. ” He should be pounding so many decaying porcupines up his asshole that quills start coming out of his ears.”

9. “surlyramics made me a custom necklace with a totally cute porcupine and the word “insert” underneath it. I get compliments on it every time I wear it (without even any questions about why the word “insert” is under the porcupine).”

10. “Surly Amy makes a lovely porcupine necklace now. It’s adorable, and has a one word label: “insert”.

That last quote was from PZ Myers himself, promoting the business of one of his friends who was actually selling necklaces featuring the rape threat imagery.

Not that the imagery is confined to brutal bodily violation using porcupines. According to one popular commenter the violation is merely a means to an end.

“You go fuck yourself. Get something heavy and sharp. Die whilst doing it, if possible.” – AnthonyK

And in case you think these are just anonymous drive-by commenters unknown to the host, think again. Many of the above threats are by individuals who feature alongside PZ Myers on Pharyngula’s Google hang-out, Youtube broadcasts.

And in case you think I’m exaggerating, here is a completely separate list recently compiled by a feminist who was deeply offended by the rape and sexual abuse threats and violent death imagery promoted by the host of Pharyngula.

““find a splintering stick and fuck yourself up the ass”
“go fuck yourself. And then die in a fire”
“Go. Fuck. Yourself. With a Hefty Bag full of rottweilers”
“Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw in that festering pustule of an asshole of yours”
“You can fuck yourself with a razor-bladed stick and go die in a ditch, you pompous, lying, gutless, disingenuous fuck” (link)
“Take your gun, lube the barrel and fuck your self in the ass.
“you should be fucked sideways with a rusty knife”
“Do us all a favor and kill yourself before you have a chance to have children”
“you can go fuck yourself. Do it deep, long and hard.”
“Go die in a fucking fire. The world will be a better place without you in it.”
“I will, however, say that this fuck up here is a complete asshole and needs to die in a fire”
“Go and die painfully, okay?”
And just for kicks: “Go fuck yourself sideways with a rusting chainsaw, you vapid, godbotting wank”
And more kicks:”fuck yourself up the ass with a splintering cross”
Even to the survivor of a brutal rape attack (Sheril Kirshenbaum)

He claimed that THIS was acceptable, because ‘they aren’t rape threats really’ – but NOW demands people use only *acceptable* insults – because words like “bitch” have a (undocumented, asserted but not proven) negative affect on women.
What kind of negative effect did his ANTI-FEMINIST abuse for this WOMAN SCIENCE COMMENTATOR have? When did he apologise for the misogynist shit-show he ran? “

http://www.skepsheik.blogspot.com/2013/ ... exual.html

[treestump]

Phil, I should clarify the defense of Hostel - it usually gets me into trouble.
In general, the whole "torture porn" sub-genre I find repulsive.

I hate the torture-porn genre. I've gave it a go and it's not for me. I find it hard enjoy sitting through 90 minutes of people begging and screaming whilst they get cut apart with power tools or are forced to eat somebody elses shit.
I actually rated Saw over Hostel as I found the latter plain gratuitous and the former slightly tongue-in-cheek and campy. Human Centipede is, on every single level, possibly the worst movie ever created and that's including "Troll".

yep, they're all sickening. I went to see the first Saw, and it make me feel sick. I've not watched Hostel, and won't. I saw Human Centipede, and it's really quite a rubbish movie, but I can see how it got the shock appeal. I dunno if torture films like that affect the psyche of people that watch them negatively, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Oddly enough, a well scripted comedy or drama is more appealing to me anyday than paying money to go to a cinema to watch people have their genitals mutilated.

[Cunning Punt]

Somebody put a big list there a few weeks ago. It's on a previous blog post of Nugents I think. You could do a search for "porcupine" or "die in a fire".

This one?

http://www.skepsheik.blogspot.com/2013/ ... exual.html

The same content, but it was cut and pasted directly into s/h/its comment. Will try and find it. I don't know if it got any responses.

[Dick Strawkins]

Somebody put a big list there a few weeks ago. It's on a previous blog post of Nugents I think. You could do a search for "porcupine" or "die in a fire".

This one?

http://www.skepsheik.blogspot.com/2013/ ... exual.html

The same content, but it was cut and pasted directly into s/h/its comment. Will try and find it. I don't know if it got any responses.

If you want a laugh, have a look at Aratina Cage's attempt to refute the pharyngula list!

http://aratina.blogspot.com/2013/05/ske ... -lord.html

Apparently they was all just jokes!
Oh, those cheeky Pharyngula porcupine ass-rapers!
Always kidding. :roll:

[Tony Parsehole]

Phil, I should clarify the defense of Hostel - it usually gets me into trouble.
In general, the whole "torture porn" sub-genre I find repulsive.

I hate the torture-porn genre. I've gave it a go and it's not for me. I find it hard enjoy sitting through 90 minutes of people begging and screaming whilst they get cut apart with power tools or are forced to eat somebody elses shit.
I actually rated Saw over Hostel as I found the latter plain gratuitous and the former slightly tongue-in-cheek and campy. Human Centipede is, on every single level, possibly the worst movie ever created and that's including "Troll".

yep, they're all sickening. I went to see the first Saw, and it make me feel sick. I've not watched Hostel, and won't. I saw Human Centipede, and it's really quite a rubbish movie, but I can see how it got the shock appeal. I dunno if torture films like that affect the psyche of people that watch them negatively, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Oddly enough, a well scripted comedy or drama is more appealing to me anyday than paying money to go to a cinema to watch people have their genitals mutilated.

If you thought Saw was bad then you do right avoiding Hostel.
I really don't mind torture scenes if they're conveying something like "ouch, this person is in the shit" but a whole film of it? Nah.

[Southern]

You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.

That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?

I'm not having a dig at you, Jack, but rather at the overall conference situation, which seems entirely slanted to placate Ophelia's narcissistic whims. I have to wonder what she demanded in order to feel "safe and welcome" enough to agree to continue with her all-expense-paid trip to Dublin. Ridiculous security measures? A personal security guard and massage therapist? Straightjacket and duct tape for Justin? It's absurd that anyone has to take that woman seriously.

My point entirely. I wasn't expecting him to lean Pit-wards. I'm disappointed he's giving extra special treatment to Feefles. I genuinely believe he's scared she'll flounce.

I would be surprised if she did not threaten it. The whole thing was a big distractor from her doxxing. Oh and I WANT her to go there. Anything for the lulz. People saying we are all wailing and gnashing teeth because she is going is rubbish.

She IS threatening it already, indirectly. The "trying to get me disinvited" BS is setting up the "Feefles is too threatened to go!" narrative. She knows how to play these suckers. Expect much more arslikhan in the coming weeks.

And of course, Mick Nuggets is too lazy to bother to check if one of his, ahem, star speaker is really being threatened and forced to not attend his merry convention/schmonvention/free booze party/whatever by some sort of eeevil conspiracy of harasssers. Her word alone will do, that's all right!

If I was in his place, I would go check if that's true, because I would believe that's part of my job as a conference organizator (and to alert the authorities if that's true). But then again, I'm not Irish:

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[Metalogic42]

Bear in mind that Nugent was held fully in the sway of the FftB propaganda narrative until very recently. When he opened that initial dialog with Justin it was absolutely clear he was operating from a spoon-fed perspective. By his own admission, when he finally interacted directly with Pyt members, his prior perceptions were fundamentally shaken. He has tread very, very carefully ever since. I find it telling that he still allows a pretty free-wheeling dialog take place in his comments section and that anyone is free to jump in. The fact that be hasn't banned the Pyt commenters according to the whims of Peezus and company makes a pretty significant statement, which clearly the FftB crowd mightily peeved.

Yet another reason I get annoyed at the whole "atheist/skeptic" conflation. I've said before that I prefer the term "skeptic" to take primacy and assume, if one is just a little skeptical one would probably be an atheist. That's not how it cashes in in the real world. People like Nugent are by no definition of the word "skeptics". I see nothing in the way he approaches claims that suggests he is. In fact, the degree to which he swallowed the whole "Pit denies women are human beings" crap shows what a lack of skepticism he has.

Frankly, I see Nugent, Myers, Christina and the rest of that "atheist" clown car as simply "anti-theists". Their shtick is to piss off the Pope, nail crackers and strike a blow against tyranny by using cruciform dildos and, not incidentally, engage in self-aggrandizement in the process.

They lack the humility before fact to be skeptics.

IMO, this is an extremely important point; one that should be brought up much more often.

[ERV]

My point entirely. I wasn't expecting him to lean Pit-wards. I'm disappointed he's giving extra special treatment to Feefles. I genuinely believe he's scared she'll flounce.

*bored* You know what happened when Greta flounced FreeOK? They got a different speaker. A better speaker who had an interesting life story, education/expertise relevant to what she was speaking about, etc. What happened when Nanny flounced TAM? Nothing.

Oh no, what *will* organizers do when these assholes flounce?

Boo-hoo-hoo.

[Dick Strawkins]

[quote="Southern"]

Whatever about Nugent's friendship with Peezus and Watson, I think he is supporting Ophelia for different reasons - he's petrified that she will completely freak out, pull out of the conference, and announce the reason for her doing that is due to harrassing behavior of noted MRA misogynist, Michael Nugent, thus promoting Nugent to the top of the pyre.

[Lsuoma]

Whatever about Nugent's friendship with Peezus and Watson, I think he is supporting Ophelia for different reasons - he's petrified that she will completely freak out, pull out of the conference, and announce the reason for her doing that is due to harrassing behavior of noted MRA misogynist, Michael Nugent, thus promoting Nugent to the top of the pyre.

No lie, bwana!

[Ericb]

Whatever about Nugent's friendship with Peezus and Watson, I think he is supporting Ophelia for different reasons - he's petrified that she will completely freak out, pull out of the conference, and announce the reason for her doing that is due to harrassing behavior of noted MRA misogynist, Michael Nugent, thus promoting Nugent to the top of the pyre.

No lie, bwana!

So, how long will it take for no one to invite her anymore?

[Cunning Punt]

The Slymepit....
Second guessing Michael Nugent since March of 2013!