haha! The main page says
88°?!(F) 31°?!(C) (temperature for Rochester, NY)
IT'S FUCKING HOT
9/10 people die of heat exhaustion on a day like this.
I love SF17°?!
IT'S FUCKING ...ALRIGHT
Is that the sun outside? Why isn't it doing anything?
Yeah, that photo doesn't bother me at all. Her demonising Justin Vacula is infinitely more offensive, in my opinion.BarnOwl wrote:I agree with her message as well. I thinking posing for the photo is one of the more "activist" things that any of that bunch have accomplished, tbh.Git wrote:Actually, I agree 100% with Greta's sentiment in this picture, and good on her for posing for it.
As a gross anatomy instructor, I've seen lots of different human bodies - mostly older, well-fed, and somewhat worse for wear bodies. Entropy is not kind to the vertebrate body plan.
That is sofa king awesome.bovarchist wrote:I can't be the only one who noticed a certain...resemblance...
http://www.vanden-eykel.com/mykerugreta.jpg
the preliminary studies seems to find this (absolutely nothing to do with penis size):Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well, that's some awesome bullshit woo, as far as I'm concerned.Scented Nectar wrote:Re penis size... not that I'm like obsessed or anything, heheh... but from what I've read, there is only one proven indicator that a guy's penis will be sizeable. Compare the length of their ring fingers with their index fingers.sacha wrote:the Burma Shave jingle is my favourite, and did you have to point out PZ's creepy china doll hands, Concentrated? Here I was considering the dimensions of the penis on Justin-as-the-devil, and the thought of those hands made my vagina scream in terror.
The closest the index and ring fingers are to being the same length as each other, the more likely a large penis. The more difference in length between the index and ring fingers, the more likely that the guy's penis is small.
Sorry, I have no citation links, but it was blogged about a year or two ago and was based on some legit sounding study. Had to do with the level of testosterone also, if I'm remembering this correctly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/ ... rone.shtmlSome scientists believe that the ratio of index finger length to ring finger length indicates how much testosterone we were exposed to in our mother's womb.
Higher testosterone exposure is thought to lead to a longer ring finger. This is determined as early as 14 weeks into a pregnancy.
On average, women's index and ring fingers are almost equal in length because they are exposed to less testosterone. In men, the ring finger tends to be longer because they have higher testosterone levels. In general, women exposed to more testosterone have more 'masculine hands' – ie longer ring fingers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratioIt has been suggested by some scientists that the ratio of two digits in particular, the 2nd (index finger) and 4th (ring finger), is affected by exposure to androgens e.g. testosterone while in the uterus and that this 2D:4D ratio can be considered a crude measure for prenatal androgen exposure, with lower 2D:4D ratios pointing to higher androgen exposure. The 2D:4D ratio is calculated by dividing the length of the index finger of the right hand by the length of the ring finger. A longer index finger will result in a ratio higher than 1, while a longer ring finger will result in a ratio of less than 1.
The 2D:4D digit ratio is sexually dimorphic: while the second digit is typically shorter in both females and males, the difference between the lengths of the two digits is greater in males than females.
A number of studies have shown a correlation between the 2D:4D digit ratio and various physical and behavioral traits.
Gefan wrote:Just returned from a visit to Malta's delightful bird park.
We got to meet Sacha (who's serving a three year stretch for "aggravated gender treachery").
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Don't believe it's really Sacha?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 7336_n.jpg
Seriously, who could make up this shit?
I also agree - unfortunately it doesn't matter, because just the fact that the image is here on the evil slymepit is probably going to cause gnashing of teeth and cries of harassment.Jan Steen wrote:Yeah, that photo doesn't bother me at all. Her demonising Justin Vacula is infinitely more offensive, in my opinion.BarnOwl wrote:I agree with her message as well. I thinking posing for the photo is one of the more "activist" things that any of that bunch have accomplished, tbh.Git wrote:Actually, I agree 100% with Greta's sentiment in this picture, and good on her for posing for it.
As a gross anatomy instructor, I've seen lots of different human bodies - mostly older, well-fed, and somewhat worse for wear bodies. Entropy is not kind to the vertebrate body plan.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2rp7gnr.jpgJan Steen wrote:Maybe providing some background to my last post is in order:
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Man, I hate you. I hate you a lot.bovarchist wrote:I can't be the only one who noticed a certain...resemblance...
http://www.vanden-eykel.com/mykerugreta.jpg
In the third paragraph - "altered" should probably be "alerted".justinvacula wrote:New piece concerning the assumption that because sexual assault, harassment, and rape exist in society-at-large these crimes also occur at atheist conferences -
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... -at-large/
Fixed, changed. Thanks.Mark Thomas wrote:In the third paragraph - "altered" should probably be "alerted".justinvacula wrote:New piece concerning the assumption that because sexual assault, harassment, and rape exist in society-at-large these crimes also occur at atheist conferences -
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... -at-large/
And I disagree with this characterization in the penultimate paragraph: "While it may be the case that women experience sexual assault, harassment, and rape in society-at-large". Women do experience those crimes in society-at-large, there is no need to qualify it with "may be the case" - and in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Marcotte or Benson quote mine that one. In discussing other crimes in the following paragraph you do not use the same formulation, you state it as a fact: "Armed robbery, murder, arson, forgery, computer theft, use of crack/cocaine, and consumption of child pornography occurs in society-at large."
As I said earlier, Weather Channel guys and one of our crews got caught by the tornadoes, hard, when the tornado 1) abruptly turned south (not normal behavior), and 2) got larger at the same time. We all watched Emilys crew get caught, live (see my "EMILY SUTTON DONT DIE!!!" status update on FB).bovarchist wrote:Anybody read Myers' latest dig at tornado chasers? I especially like how he tries to tell the guy in danger how annoying his reactions are. Add safeism to the list of privileged behaviors to check.
The problem with the way you phrase things is that you come across as being completely skeptical that "sexual assault, harassment, and rape" could possibly occur (at all!) unless you have solid credible evidence that it actually has. Whereas I think a more credible stance is that the rate at which such crimes occur in that setting likely are very much lower than in society at large, and that any claim that it is at a rate high enough to constitute "a problem" needs to be supported by evidence.justinvacula wrote:New piece concerning the assumption that because sexual assault, harassment, and rape exist in society-at-large these crimes also occur at atheist conferences -
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... -at-large/
The problem with the AKP is they are too moderate according to this Muslim posting on Islamic Awakening:Whig wrote:Looks like the police that have been radicalized by the AKP party is running over probably secular protesters in Ankara.
Every time someone says they're "flabbergasted" or "shocked", do a shot.Whig wrote:Baboons are having a hangout.
Ariel wrote:
"But it’s exactly for this reason that I don’t understand why you (plural) don’t leave Ophelia alone. So often in your comments you look like normal, reasonable people. And that’s why I don’t get this. What the hell is going on? Maybe you think the line I quoted is pretending on Ophelia’s part? (If so, I think you are wrong.) And if not, why do you do this to her? In general: what’s the point of concentrating on a particular, very narrow group of bloggers and have a whole site dedicated (to a large degree) to taunting them? What’s the point of making them feel hunted down, surrounded every day and every hour by a crowd of hostile paparazzis? "
There's several points to make here. First is, "very narrow group of bloggers". Well, I don't really see it as all that narrow. There's several blogs on FTB, there's skepchick, there's the A+ forums, and there's some people on Twitter/Facebook/etc. While it's true that FTB gets most of the focus, that's because it's the "largest". It's also worth pointing out that "slymepitters" also talk about other issues too (for example, many of us are critical of some things AVFM has to say). It's worth pointing out even more that sometimes, we actually agree with our "targets". Recently, I gave credit to several comments on B&W that called out "Kevin" for saying that abused people often become abusers themselves.
Anyway, let's talk about taunting and harassment. If somebody says something publicly, especially about me or one of my friends, I have a right to respond, and I'm going to exercise that right anywhere I'm able. Now, if the person I'm responding to is trying to make a point, and wants to engage detractors on it, awesome. I can be civil even if I strongly disagree. But if they don't want to engage, the gloves come off, and my response is going to be filled with snark. In most cases, it won't be mean-spirited, but it is going to be a little condescending, especially if the thing that was said is not just incorrect, but stupid.
A good example is when someone (I don't remember who) referred to Ophelia Benson as "Ophie"; she claimed that this constituted harassment. Well, no, it doesn't. If Ophie (see what I did there) did not have a history of deleting comments, I'd be fine going over there and simply explaining why I think she's wrong. But that's not the case - she filters comments very heavily on her blog, sometimes even the most civil ones that happen to disagree with her; and she also lets extremely UNcivil comments through if they agree.
So that's what makes me, and presumably many others, to go bare-fisted so often. As for her biggest complaint, the photoshops, those are 99% all in good fun. They're parody. They're satire. There's also some of "our own" - most notably, a few taking a jab at Steersman, and quite a few about Justin Vacula (and if you'll notice, they don't complain about them), including a very poorly done one the other day by yours truly, featuring Justin with devil horns, a pitchfork, an iPatriarchy laptop, a shirt that says "I HATE WOMEN", and a large white penis (of authority). And on the few rare occasions when they cross the line, we (mostly) object.
So, you're right; our comments do make us look like normal, reasonable people. We ARE normal, reasonable people. There's just a great many comments. Maybe Ophie does feel "hunted down", but (and this may sound mean) that's really too bad for her. We're not doing anything that the average reasonable person would reasonably be offended by. The criticism is copious, and the photoshops are playful. If she doesn't like public commentary on her writing, then she should stop writing public things, or at least allow that commentary to take place on her own blog, without censoring.
Little tip, Jadehawk: If you don't want to come off as a crazy person, put the cats in another room.justinvacula wrote:New 1 hour 20 minute Google Hangout with ratings, comments, and stats disabled
...with PZ Myers, Coleman Tuttle (?) [whose microphone is shit and keeps interrupting], Jade Hawk, and some others
3As4-wow2wc
I haven't finished watching yet...finishing listening to Chill Girls with Reap and Mykeru...
Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote:I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...curriejean wrote:* didn't really mean to call 'giant dick' a gross thing. YMMV on giant dicks.
Well said.Metalogic42 wrote:Comment posted at Gurdur's open letter to Michael Nugent:
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So, you're right; our comments do make us look like normal, reasonable people. We ARE normal, reasonable people. There's just a great many comments. Maybe Ophie does feel "hunted down", but (and this may sound mean) that's really too bad for her. We're not doing anything that the average reasonable person would reasonably be offended by. The criticism is copious, and the photoshops are playful. If she doesn't like public commentary on her writing, then she should stop writing public things, or at least allow that commentary to take place on her own blog, without censoring.
You mean a strap-on? Nope – part of the original equipment, although a little worse for wear ….Cunning Punt wrote:Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote:I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...curriejean wrote:* didn't really mean to call 'giant dick' a gross thing. YMMV on giant dicks.
Like a dot-matrix printer? My computer is a little newer than that. Although it seems that the software industry is always pushing the hardware one so it seems to be always a case of catch-up ...AnonymousCowherd wrote:You may need to replace this bit of your "machine":Steersman wrote::lol: :clap:Jan Steen wrote: http://i.imgur.com/cKwEHf3.jpg
[Note: Skeptic Ink pages don't load and run all that well in IE8 under XP, at least on my machine.]
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/imag ... G4yrMOC29e
It's possible to be attached at both ends you know.Steersman wrote:You mean a strap-on? Nope – part of the original equipment, although a little worse for wear ….Cunning Punt wrote:Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote:I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...curriejean wrote:* didn't really mean to call 'giant dick' a gross thing. YMMV on giant dicks.
I don't know about the others. I spent the afternoon at my uncle's bedside. He said they will probably release him at the end of next week so he can go home (with permanent assistance). He's tired but feeling a bit better. He looks like a zombie, though.bovarchist wrote:Seems slow in here today. Is everybody off reading El Goonish Shive?
Been a while since I read those posts by Elam on jury nullification so I don’t recollect all of his arguments. However, I think you at least are conflating two separate aspects of the problem. While I’ll agree with you that there is some justification in thinking that rape trials are based on “unreasonable law†– highly circumstantial evidence as in false accusations for one, I think there is a significant common element with the supposed insistence that one should agree with feminists whether one agrees with their claims or not.curriejean wrote:<snip>some guy wrote:<snip>Steersman wrote: <snip>
This horseshit of "my country, sex, race, or party - right or wrong" could be the death of us all. And something that EllenBeth Wachs decried not too long ago ....
IMO, it is quite easy to charitable read Silverman's comment as including the unstated condition "if you do agree with them", because it seems clear (to me) that his aim was to encourage active visible public displays of agreement (as opposed to silently agreeing) so that the author gets positive (and visible) feedback.
Steersman wondered how "agree with feminists publicly whether you disagree or not" could be different from Elam's suggetion that "men on juries trying rape cases should automatically vote for acquital." I have this to offer: reason can't be equated with existing law, because laws can be unreasonable. Jury nullification, which is what Elam is proposing for some cases, is a valid but delicate strategy in combating unreasonable law; it's not similarly valid to combat a claim with unreason. So, Elam might be wrong, but it's not because jury nulllification is inherently wrong the way poor reasoning is wrong, it's because the laws he's fighting might actually be reasonable. And also, if you want to argue that jury nullification IS necessarily wrong, you'll still have to use reason to do that (whereas "you should agree with people's claims just to make them feel good" is not reasonable). Also, your "regardless of the evidence" is too simplistic, I think. "Regardless of the evidence against a person," isn't the same thing as, "Regardless of the evidence against a law."
This is worth reading to get to know Elam's stance (I've skimmed it for his arguments):
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/go ... -and-rape/
The multi-part debate on jury nullification is here (I haven't read it yet):
http://www.avoiceformen.com/tag/debate/
Ah, I see. Quite true.Cunning Punt wrote:It's possible to be attached at both ends you know.Steersman wrote:You mean a strap-on? Nope – part of the original equipment, although a little worse for wear ….Cunning Punt wrote:Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote: <snip> (excuse the implications)
I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...
I think CP is implying attachment via the extremity of one of your arms...Steersman wrote:You mean a strap-on? Nope – part of the original equipment, although a little worse for wear ….Cunning Punt wrote:Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote:I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...curriejean wrote:* didn't really mean to call 'giant dick' a gross thing. YMMV on giant dicks.
Definitely! That's why this is the only group I'll give complete info/data on my guy. People here are more compassionate and caring than any other group I've come across :)Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't know about the others. I spent the afternoon at my uncle's bedside. He said they will probably release him at the end of next week so he can go home (with permanent assistance). He's tired but feeling a bit better. He looks like a zombie, though.bovarchist wrote:Seems slow in here today. Is everybody off reading El Goonish Shive?
Anyway, tomorrow morning is a two-hours trip to go pick up my grandmother in Le Var and drive her here so we can spend another afternoon with him. It is hitting harder on me than I expected.
Thanks to those who have offered messages of support. The Pit is awesome when it comes to supporting people with real life problems.
(((collective hugs, free for all*)))
*Yeah, even you Lsuoma.
From AuntieLsuoma wrote:Jeebles, another nine dead in OK from tornadoes? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22739637
Abbie (and whoever else lives there), GTFO, FFS! We'd love to welcome you to WA...
On Saturday morning, Amy Elliott, a spokeswoman for Oklahoma's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, said nine fatalities had been confirmed, including two children and seven adults.
Among them were a mother and a baby found in a vehicle that was hit by the tornado as it passed over a major highway - Interstate 40 - near Oklahoma City. Dozens of lorries were also overturned.
Two other deaths occurred in Union City and one was in El Reno, west of Oklahoma City.
At least 75 people were injured, with five of them critically, hospital officials said.
No, I think Svan's typo is understandable - she probably had to dash off her show of solidarity quickly, so she didn't miss out too much on the mingling and nibbles. It makes her contribution all the more valuable, IMO.John Greg wrote:I have to admit I am somewhat surprised that so little has been made of the professional, published writer -- self-claimed -- who should know better than anyone how to use proper capitalisation, punctuation, and spelling and states she is a Free Happy Defiant ATEIST.
???
/scratches noggin in bemusement
Mykeru wrote:
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Just curious... did she really claim to be a professional, published writer for this single chapter in a micro-press publisher?John Greg wrote:...the professional, published writer -- self-claimed --...
The hair connecting the goatee to the moustache doesn't grow :\Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Justin, new look advice:
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Go fuck yourself you sanctimonious cunt.Git wrote:Enough with the slagging off of Greta for this please.
Slag the fuck out of her for her behaviour, she deserves it for that, but not for her appearance.
As I generally don’t sit down to pee, how else?Lsuoma wrote:I think CP is implying attachment via the extremity of one of your arms...Steersman wrote:You mean a strap-on? Nope – part of the original equipment, although a little worse for wear ….Cunning Punt wrote:Frequently.....Steersman wrote:I'm kind of attached to mine as well ....Lsuoma wrote:[
<snip>
I am inordinately fond of my pajama python...
Yea, I agree (seriously). Although one might argue that one displays one's body primarily to garner praise, admiration, or lust.Git wrote:Enough with the slagging off of Greta for this please.
Slag the fuck out of her for her behaviour, she deserves it for that, but not for her appearance.
How shall I fuck myself sanctimoniously, oh Lord?Tony Parsehole wrote:Go fuck yourself you sanctimonious cunt.Git wrote:Enough with the slagging off of Greta for this please.
Slag the fuck out of her for her behaviour, she deserves it for that, but not for her appearance.
A deceased porcupine or a bottle that is broken is most effective...Git wrote:How shall I fuck myself sanctimoniously, oh Lord?Tony Parsehole wrote:Go fuck yourself you sanctimonious cunt.Git wrote:Enough with the slagging off of Greta for this please.
Slag the fuck out of her for her behaviour, she deserves it for that, but not for her appearance.
At last, The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master.Tony Parsehole wrote:A deceased porcupine or a bottle that is broken is most effective...Git wrote:How shall I fuck myself sanctimoniously, oh Lord?Tony Parsehole wrote:Go fuck yourself you sanctimonious cunt.Git wrote:Enough with the slagging off of Greta for this please.
Slag the fuck out of her for her behaviour, she deserves it for that, but not for her appearance.
It is known.
Watching now.Whig wrote:Baboons are having a hangout.
The key part is where she said:Steersman wrote: Don’t see that she is doing any “femsplainingâ€; she did say “that is up to them and no one elseâ€. Although I can see providing a lot more information to both sexes as to what is really entailed even if that might cause a precipitous decline in the birth rate. Sort of like giving young teenage women some "robot" babies to take care of for a month or two ....
Leaving it up to experience means (to me anyway) is to let them find out the hard way. Do not tell them anything. I fail to see how a young man can make an educated and informed decision without being informed and educated in the first place.peddling these ideas to young men, who have not even had enough experience to make an educated and informed decision to go MGTOW off the bat
A couple of notes about mut‘ah (temporary marriage and more properly know as Nikah mut‘ah) it is generally practised more commonly among Shia Muslims rather than Sunni Muslims. With the Sunni only the Hanafi school of jurisprudence allows it and it entirely legal and sanctioned under their laws.Badger3k wrote:Yeah - that's a bit different in intent, but similar in practice. They do it to get around the "no sex without marriage" bit. They get married for a short time, get their rocks off, then get divorced. It's revealing at how little they think of their god, that they think that bit of trickery would fool him (that assumes they are actual believers and not just following the cultural norms). But, Orthodox Jews and other extremists in most religions do similar things.Jack wrote:It is also becoming more common in Muslim communities in the UK.Sulaco wrote:I think that is currently practiced in Iran so young people can date/fuck. Forgot where I read it, so grain of salt and all that.I like the idea I heard in some fiction, and possibly some ancient societies (vague memory of some - maybe Roman? IDK) - a sort of contract marriage that lasts for a year (or other time period). Let anyone do it, as long as they can legally consent. No penalties once the contract is over.
Kinda like saying you're a feminist, while using sexist language and having sick fantasies about students dressed as half-fish (ewww....that's a nasty thought - I think I through up in my mouth a lot)!
PZ being demonizing and hyperbolic with someone he disagrees with? Shocking indeed!Dick Strawkins wrote: Finally Peezus.
What.The.Fuck.
Honestly, when talking about Ron Lindsay's speech he sounded all the world line Rush Limbaugh complaining about communists, except he switched it for misogynists or MRAs.
He actually described Lindsays talk as "an MRA booster speech"!
:shock:
*Reads video title "FtB Plans World Conquest ".BarnOwl wrote:Watching now.Whig wrote:Baboons are having a hangout.
::coughcough hoarder house cough::
If I recall correctly, PZ disabled ratings and comments long before the Richard Carrier A+ video (Now with an 11% approval rating!) came out. Kinda gives me the impression he knows how unpopular his shrieking little movement is. Just a hunch.Tony Parsehole wrote:*Reads video title "FtB Plans World Conquest ".BarnOwl wrote:Watching now.Whig wrote:Baboons are having a hangout.
::coughcough hoarder house cough::
*Notices the comments and ratings are disabled*
*laughs*
Ok, that was all a misreading on my part. I may have switched index finger with major (middle) finger. Screws the data a bit. My ring finger is actually a tinsy bit longer than my index finger.sacha wrote:the preliminary studies seems to find this (absolutely nothing to do with penis size):Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Well, that's some awesome bullshit woo, as far as I'm concerned.Scented Nectar wrote:Re penis size... not that I'm like obsessed or anything, heheh... but from what I've read, there is only one proven indicator that a guy's penis will be sizeable. Compare the length of their ring fingers with their index fingers.sacha wrote:the Burma Shave jingle is my favourite, and did you have to point out PZ's creepy china doll hands, Concentrated? Here I was considering the dimensions of the penis on Justin-as-the-devil, and the thought of those hands made my vagina scream in terror.
The closest the index and ring fingers are to being the same length as each other, the more likely a large penis. The more difference in length between the index and ring fingers, the more likely that the guy's penis is small.
Sorry, I have no citation links, but it was blogged about a year or two ago and was based on some legit sounding study. Had to do with the level of testosterone also, if I'm remembering this correctly.http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/ ... rone.shtmlSome scientists believe that the ratio of index finger length to ring finger length indicates how much testosterone we were exposed to in our mother's womb.
Higher testosterone exposure is thought to lead to a longer ring finger. This is determined as early as 14 weeks into a pregnancy.
On average, women's index and ring fingers are almost equal in length because they are exposed to less testosterone. In men, the ring finger tends to be longer because they have higher testosterone levels. In general, women exposed to more testosterone have more 'masculine hands' – ie longer ring fingers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratioIt has been suggested by some scientists that the ratio of two digits in particular, the 2nd (index finger) and 4th (ring finger), is affected by exposure to androgens e.g. testosterone while in the uterus and that this 2D:4D ratio can be considered a crude measure for prenatal androgen exposure, with lower 2D:4D ratios pointing to higher androgen exposure. The 2D:4D ratio is calculated by dividing the length of the index finger of the right hand by the length of the ring finger. A longer index finger will result in a ratio higher than 1, while a longer ring finger will result in a ratio of less than 1.
The 2D:4D digit ratio is sexually dimorphic: while the second digit is typically shorter in both females and males, the difference between the lengths of the two digits is greater in males than females.
A number of studies have shown a correlation between the 2D:4D digit ratio and various physical and behavioral traits.
I don't know who "some scientists" are. Makes me wary of the findings altogether.
