Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[BarnOwl]

Also, some new comments in the Justicar thread are interesting:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-619574

Wow, Myers really is a dishonest arsebag in that thread. Big surprise.

Thanks for the analysis of the GI bleeds vs. menstrual contributions to anemia, Skep Tickle. I'd guess that endometriosis might also complicate diagnosis or pure attribution of the underlying problem in some cases.

I'd like to know what "anecdote" Rebecca told about breast cancer:

And thanks for pointing out the direct tweet-embedding function, Aneris!

[bovarchist]

Pinker really doesn't like it. Can we enlist him against the community harrasocrats of Benson, Watson, Zvan and Co.?

In Soviet Russia, harrassocrats enlist you.

[Michael K Gray]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-619574

Wow, Myers really is a dishonest arsebag in that thread.[/quote]
Where, exactly?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-619574
Wow, Myers really is a dishonest arsebag in that thread.

Where, exactly?

Well, in that thread, I guess?

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/5BdX9JS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TO9UeOV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lxZfgzq.jpg

[Couch]

ZOMG! Romania in Eurovision! I'm speechless.

(PS, Phil, was that you doing a cameo for Armenia?)

Sorry for no linkage. I'm watching it on TV. Kids haven't seen Eurovision before and are open-mouthed, bewildered.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

ZOMG! Romania in Eurovision! I'm speechless.

Well, they are part of the European Union, aren't they? Or did you mean their performance was awesome/horrible?

(PS, Phil, was that you doing a cameo for Armenia?)

No, I don't think so, unless I've been sleepwalking again. Might have been Serj Tankian. To be honest, I have no idea, I don't watch TV, and Eurovision even less.

Sorry for no linkage. I'm watching it on TV. Kids haven't seen Eurovision before and are open-mouthed, bewildered.

Be sure to post a link when one comes out (see above reference to no TV)

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Ok, I've just watched that clip:

[youtube]M9Iix4eHDY[/youtube]

Interesting performance, which also gives away one of the secrets of live performances: FOH additionnal tracks.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Mmmh, weird, usually my youtube links work. Direct link, then:

[justinvacula]

Thanks everyone for the support. Everything is going well here at #WIScfi. The death stares, groaning, and rudeness from some attendees is the only 'bad stuff' so far and not really a big deal.

Day two approaches and the events start at 8:30AM Eastern.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Thanks everyone for the support. Everything is going well here at #WIScfi. The death stares, groaning, and rudeness from some attendees is the only 'bad stuff' so far and not really a big deal.

Not really a big deal for YOU. For some, it would be construed as death threats and sexual harrassment. Hang in there guys, you're doing well so far.

[Couch]

Phil, Eurovision song-contest is huge in Australia, in the it's-so-bad-it's-good way. People throw Eurovision parties everywhere and it is hosted on TV by a couple of comedian-musicians.

It's all in good fun and I'm basically aching from laughing so hard, and my kids are loving it!

[justinvacula]

[youtube]YzFIiwBXAN0[/youtube]

1:45

THE OTHER SIDE
THE OTHER SIDE
THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!!

[Tony Parsehole]

Can't wait for the Eurovision tonight.
I'm such a sad twat.

[Apples]

Melody tweeted about Marcotte's talk and the "faith-based pseudoscience" panel but didn't mention her boss's talk.

There was also this exchange with Fidalgo - the COMMUNICATIONS director of CFI - whose Twitter profile headline is "I'm Uncomfortable." (click link for full exchange):

and there's this (click link for full exchange):

A lot of his twitter feed seems to be a fluttery anxiety attack. All very confidence-inspiring.

[Tony Parsehole]

Phil, Eurovision song-contest is huge in Australia, in the it's-so-bad-it's-good way. People throw Eurovision parties everywhere and it is hosted on TV by a couple of comedian-musicians.

It's all in good fun and I'm basically aching from laughing so hard, and my kids are loving it!

[youtube]V_tspk1ifFI[/youtube]

[Aneris]

It's official. Reading tweets is stalking. Whew, lucky us he didn't adopt Aunt Ophelia's definition where it's terrorism. The following bits are relatively close to each other.

Rumors to the contrary, I’m not usually in a rush to ban anyone. By the way, relevant to the OP, Justicar’s identity has been tracked down. The stupid git left clues all over the internet — using his own logic, I ought to tell him what an ass he is and recite all the evidence that leads directly to him. It seems he gets his boring style from narrating WOW videos on youtube…

[...]

You counter your own argument. Neither Welch nor Smith show any maturity despite being “out”. I’m not going to his employer. But I think it’s fair that the police be informed of the identity of a stalker.

If you know who Justicar is, out him. Playing “I know where you live” games from behind a pseudonym utterly forfeits any moral right to privacy.

PZ Myers with a spontaneous comedic interlude:

That’s easy to say, but one thing we know about these clowns is that they have no sense of proportion: the retaliation would be extraordinary, and it wouldn’t be aimed at me, male and safe and secure in my little town on the edge of nowhere, but against easier targets in the Seattle area. Against women. So no, I’m not going to do that.

What!? Anyway. It goes on from there. With their fine sense of proportion they now treat making a youtube video (and reading public tweets beforehand) with serious harassment. Add some more flourish...

So in other words, you’ve admitted that Justicar can continue to get away with his harassment because he has hostages. (And what would he do to those hostages that’s not like what he’s already doing?) I agree with your wanting to avoid doing anything that will result in harm being done to non-involved parties; but given the mental instability that people like Justicar show every day, I suspect that restraint doesn’t prevent them from lashing out, it only postpones it. Sooner or later, he will get worse than he currently is, just like that Markuze guy.

I agree that I’m not on the front line here, and that it’s easy to be resolute in the face of hypothetic danger, but… I have to concur with what Raging Bee says. Restraint won’t prevent extra harassment. It will only delay it, while providing them with an advantage in the meantime. Having the moral highground doesn’t count for much either. They see decency as a weakness to be exploited. Perhaps it’s time for the FTBullies to live up their name? I wonder how many “brave heros” will remain, when they’re suddenly faced with targets that hit back?

Hey Rocko, if you're still around (or find your name with vanity search), how about a dramatic reading of this? That would be awesome. The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane, and then have the nerve to talk about "proportion", or, Dunning-Kruger Effects. Yeah right.

[justinvacula]

The usual stuff from PZ -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ing-strong

A clip:

I’m off in Washington DC at Women in Secularism 2, and I’m taking it easy. You can try to follow what’s going on at the conference via twitter, but that’s going to be a mess: unlike every other conference I’ve ever been at, the twitter feed for this one is nearly completely divorced from the reality of the event. It seems that if you put on a woman’s conference, the anti-feminists will send a representative or two to attend and throw out occasional twisted remarks prejudicial to the event, which will then be echoed by the obsessive mob in the lovely manosphere.

It’s genuinely bizarre. If you thought the #wiscfi hashtag was a corrupt mess before the conference, it’s even worse now. It’s representative of the endemic bigotry against women that even atheist/skeptic cons don’t get this degree of malicious nastiness from their opponents.

It didn’t help that the opening remarks (by a bearded white guy, no less) were basically a high five to the people trolling the con — Ron Lindsay tut-tutted the attendees for using the concept of privilege to shut down conversations with…who? The thugs who hate the whole idea of Women in Secularism? It was the most inappropriate, uninspiring, wrong-headed conference opening ever. The director of CFI trolled a conference built by his own organization, and offered words of encouragement to the people trying to disrupt it!

[welch]

As long as you don't ask me to stop making McCreight horse faced jokes. I don't think I can stop. I have a problem.

Nobody here can stop you. But I think it is juvenile and lacks humor. At least the clown jokes were somewhat funny because they referenced behavior. But I take a dim view of taking a chunk out of someone just for their appearance alone. Especially when it is the views that they advocate that are a larger issue.

Cue the appropriately monikered puerile bodily-function-obsessed utter-cunt: "Tony Parsehole" to chastise you for your apropriately adult musings with another tasteless bit of his puerile "shock-and-aweful vomit-pix" advice on how you might choose to conduct yourself, and inaccurately assume that you are forcing him to heed your gorwn-up's advice...

Well grand-mama, we've had your lurvely Victorian scolding, with that checkbox filled, bring on parsehole.

[Tony Parsehole]

It's official. Reading tweets is stalking. Whew, lucky us he didn't adopt Aunt Ophelia's definition where it's terrorism. The following bits are relatively close to each other.

Rumors to the contrary, I’m not usually in a rush to ban anyone. By the way, relevant to the OP, Justicar’s identity has been tracked down. The stupid git left clues all over the internet — using his own logic, I ought to tell him what an ass he is and recite all the evidence that leads directly to him. It seems he gets his boring style from narrating WOW videos on youtube…

[...]

You counter your own argument. Neither Welch nor Smith show any maturity despite being “out”. I’m not going to his employer. But I think it’s fair that the police be informed of the identity of a stalker.

If you know who Justicar is, out him. Playing “I know where you live” games from behind a pseudonym utterly forfeits any moral right to privacy.

PZ Myers with a spontaneous comedic interlude:

That’s easy to say, but one thing we know about these clowns is that they have no sense of proportion: the retaliation would be extraordinary, and it wouldn’t be aimed at me, male and safe and secure in my little town on the edge of nowhere, but against easier targets in the Seattle area. Against women. So no, I’m not going to do that.

What!? Anyway. It goes on from there. With their fine sense of proportion they now treat making a youtube video (and reading public tweets beforehand) with serious harassment. Add some more flourish...

So in other words, you’ve admitted that Justicar can continue to get away with his harassment because he has hostages. (And what would he do to those hostages that’s not like what he’s already doing?) I agree with your wanting to avoid doing anything that will result in harm being done to non-involved parties; but given the mental instability that people like Justicar show every day, I suspect that restraint doesn’t prevent them from lashing out, it only postpones it. Sooner or later, he will get worse than he currently is, just like that Markuze guy.

I agree that I’m not on the front line here, and that it’s easy to be resolute in the face of hypothetic danger, but… I have to concur with what Raging Bee says. Restraint won’t prevent extra harassment. It will only delay it, while providing them with an advantage in the meantime. Having the moral highground doesn’t count for much either. They see decency as a weakness to be exploited. Perhaps it’s time for the FTBullies to live up their name? I wonder how many “brave heros” will remain, when they’re suddenly faced with targets that hit back?

Hey Rocko, if you're still around (or find your name with vanity search), how about a dramatic reading of this? That would be awesome. The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane, and then have the nerve to talk about "proportion", or, Dunning-Kruger Effects. Yeah right.

I can't believe what I'm reading. These lot are supposedly the side of "justice" are they?
There's more sense of justice in a lynch mob.

[Tony Parsehole]

As long as you don't ask me to stop making McCreight horse faced jokes. I don't think I can stop. I have a problem.

Nobody here can stop you. But I think it is juvenile and lacks humor. At least the clown jokes were somewhat funny because they referenced behavior. But I take a dim view of taking a chunk out of someone just for their appearance alone. Especially when it is the views that they advocate that are a larger issue.

Cue the appropriately monikered puerile bodily-function-obsessed utter-cunt: "Tony Parsehole" to chastise you for your apropriately adult musings with another tasteless bit of his puerile "shock-and-aweful vomit-pix" advice on how you might choose to conduct yourself, and inaccurately assume that you are forcing him to heed your gorwn-up's advice...

Well grand-mama, we've had your lurvely Victorian scolding, with that checkbox filled, bring on parsehole.

See above :P

[Wonky Donkey]

Justicar’s identity has been tracked down.

But I think it’s fair that the police be informed of the identity of a stalker.

So anyone here think he is going to shop the people who tracked down justicar's real identity as stalkers?

Nah.

Its only bad when PZ isn't the one doing it. Hypocrite.

@justin

I read that a short while ago, PZ completely fails to see the irony of his own actions.

I think he is in need of an intervention.

[Wonky Donkey]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

[Tony Parsehole]

"Hey I heard you hate stalking so I stalked the stalkers so they won't stalk no more derp"

Also implying anybody was doing actual "stalking".
Holy fuck, there's another word about to be tarnished to buggery.

[Tony Parsehole]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

He's given every one of his naysayers (that'll be most of the people who know him) a loaded gun and painted a target on his arse.
Viva la meltdown.

[Aneris]

Justin, its bad style to tag every comment with #wiscfi when it's not related to the event. I'm not saying you can't do it. I just don't see what you hope to achieve with it.

[justinvacula]

Lol.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-620906

http://i.imgur.com/fFHEPh8.jpg

[Tony Parsehole]

> Titles a blogpost "Women In Secularism Is Going Strong" the proceeds to write for most of the post why it's not.


Is he being sarcastic? It's hard to tell.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-620906

[welch]

It's official. Reading tweets is stalking. Whew, lucky us he didn't adopt Aunt Ophelia's definition where it's terrorism. The following bits are relatively close to each other.

Rumors to the contrary, I’m not usually in a rush to ban anyone. By the way, relevant to the OP, Justicar’s identity has been tracked down. The stupid git left clues all over the internet — using his own logic, I ought to tell him what an ass he is and recite all the evidence that leads directly to him. It seems he gets his boring style from narrating WOW videos on youtube…

[...]

You counter your own argument. Neither Welch nor Smith show any maturity despite being “out”. I’m not going to his employer. But I think it’s fair that the police be informed of the identity of a stalker.

If you know who Justicar is, out him. Playing “I know where you live” games from behind a pseudonym utterly forfeits any moral right to privacy.

PZ Myers with a spontaneous comedic interlude:

That’s easy to say, but one thing we know about these clowns is that they have no sense of proportion: the retaliation would be extraordinary, and it wouldn’t be aimed at me, male and safe and secure in my little town on the edge of nowhere, but against easier targets in the Seattle area. Against women. So no, I’m not going to do that.

What!? Anyway. It goes on from there. With their fine sense of proportion they now treat making a youtube video (and reading public tweets beforehand) with serious harassment. Add some more flourish...

So in other words, you’ve admitted that Justicar can continue to get away with his harassment because he has hostages. (And what would he do to those hostages that’s not like what he’s already doing?) I agree with your wanting to avoid doing anything that will result in harm being done to non-involved parties; but given the mental instability that people like Justicar show every day, I suspect that restraint doesn’t prevent them from lashing out, it only postpones it. Sooner or later, he will get worse than he currently is, just like that Markuze guy.

I agree that I’m not on the front line here, and that it’s easy to be resolute in the face of hypothetic danger, but… I have to concur with what Raging Bee says. Restraint won’t prevent extra harassment. It will only delay it, while providing them with an advantage in the meantime. Having the moral highground doesn’t count for much either. They see decency as a weakness to be exploited. Perhaps it’s time for the FTBullies to live up their name? I wonder how many “brave heros” will remain, when they’re suddenly faced with targets that hit back?

Hey Rocko, if you're still around (or find your name with vanity search), how about a dramatic reading of this? That would be awesome. The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane, and then have the nerve to talk about "proportion", or, Dunning-Kruger Effects. Yeah right.

How do you out someone who isn't in? No one outed me, pro tip, I do that myself.

Here, my address: https://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid ... =maps_mini

COME AT ME BRO

Fuck, my ass, at least one half, is on Facebook, (EPIC bruise caused by a ladder), LinkedIn, twitter (bynkii) and app.net (bynkii) and the only reason I use a 'nym on those two is my name is kind of common. But bynkii's the only 'nym I've ever used, and I hardly hid behind it.

Another pro tip: if you tell people I work with or who know me that I can be kind of an asshole, they know. However, I'm not a weasely cowardly asshole like those idiots. I'm more the " that thing there? That's kinda fucked up. You should think about fixing it. 'Cause otherwise, you're gonna look stupid" kind of asshole. Probably why Myers et al dislike me. I can show where I've actually gotten shit done.

I " calmed down because I was outed." Honky please, last thing you outed was your index finger from your left nostril.

[AbsurdWalls]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.

[AbsurdWalls]

Lol.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-620906

http://i.imgur.com/fFHEPh8.jpg

The concept of "flooding a hashtag" does not exist within Twitter's model. It's not that they don't have a way to deal with it, it's that it isn't a problem. That's like complaining that your car doesn't float when you drive it into a lake.

I agree with PZ re: blocked users though. I think if you block somebody they should disappear for you as long as you are logged into Twitter.

[JackSkeptic]

Thanks everyone for the support. Everything is going well here at #WIScfi. The death stares, groaning, and rudeness from some attendees is the only 'bad stuff' so far and not really a big deal.

Day two approaches and the events start at 8:30AM Eastern.

I think it is great you are there.

[Tony Parsehole]

[quote="AbsurdWalls"
I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.[/quote]

But did Justicar ever mention how worried he was about being doxxed, stalked IRL etc? Even if he did let himself be doxxed through carelessness or stupidity I don't recall him saying how scared he was about having his identity/location discovered whilst posting obvious shit about his identity/location. Could be wrong though as I only follow his videos intermittently.

Anyway....I'd take anything Oolon says with a pinch of salt the size of the moon. Oolon claims to know everything about everyone until you press him on the matter. Then he just waffles on incoherently, passive-aggressively sniping and abusing smileys until the opposition gets bored.

[JackSkeptic]

Thanks everyone for the support. Everything is going well here at #WIScfi. The death stares, groaning, and rudeness from some attendees is the only 'bad stuff' so far and not really a big deal.

Day two approaches and the events start at 8:30AM Eastern.

I think it is great you are there.

Oops and Karla of course, my Mask of Mysogony slipped again.

[JackSkeptic]

Phil, Eurovision song-contest is huge in Australia, in the it's-so-bad-it's-good way. People throw Eurovision parties everywhere and it is hosted on TV by a couple of comedian-musicians.

It's all in good fun and I'm basically aching from laughing so hard, and my kids are loving it!

In the UK a well known broadcaster called Terry Wogan used to voice over. He had a great way of seeming serious while abusing the terrible singing and dress sense of the performers. Now he is gone I don't bother watching. In the final a large chunk of the votes are political and have little to do with how good a song is.

[welch]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.

I have something they can all line up and kiss:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/8749 ... 10cd_c.jpg







TRIGGER WARNING: YEP, THAT IS MY ASS. HAAAHSHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

[AbsurdWalls]

[quote="AbsurdWalls"
I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.

But did Justicar ever mention how worried he was about being doxxed, stalked IRL etc? Even if he did let himself be doxxed through carelessness or stupidity I don't recall him saying how scared he was about having his identity/location discovered whilst posting obvious shit about his identity/location. Could be wrong though as I only follow his videos intermittently.

Anyway....I'd take anything Oolon says with a pinch of salt the size of the moon. Oolon claims to know everything about everyone until you press him on the matter. Then he just waffles on incoherently, passive-aggressively sniping and abusing smileys until the opposition gets bored.[/quote]

Pretty sure Justicar mentioned in the original video RE: JM's indiscretion (which I cannot point you to now b/c memory hole) that he takes care to protect his real life name and location because he has genuine concerns about real life stalking and harrassment.

[Gumby]

The usual stuff from PZ -

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ing-strong

A clip:

I’m off in Washington DC at Women in Secularism 2, and I’m taking it easy. You can try to follow what’s going on at the conference via twitter, but that’s going to be a mess: unlike every other conference I’ve ever been at, the twitter feed for this one is nearly completely divorced from the reality of the event. It seems that if you put on a woman’s conference, the anti-feminists will send a representative or two to attend and throw out occasional twisted remarks prejudicial to the event, which will then be echoed by the obsessive mob in the lovely manosphere.

It’s genuinely bizarre. If you thought the #wiscfi hashtag was a corrupt mess before the conference, it’s even worse now. It’s representative of the endemic bigotry against women that even atheist/skeptic cons don’t get this degree of malicious nastiness from their opponents.

It didn’t help that the opening remarks (by a bearded white guy, no less) were basically a high five to the people trolling the con — Ron Lindsay tut-tutted the attendees for using the concept of privilege to shut down conversations with…who? The thugs who hate the whole idea of Women in Secularism? It was the most inappropriate, uninspiring, wrong-headed conference opening ever. The director of CFI trolled a conference built by his own organization, and offered words of encouragement to the people trying to disrupt it!

tl;dr PZ:

[youtube]zDAmPIq29ro[/youtube]

[Tony Parsehole]

welch has a map of Africa tattooed on his arse.

[AbsurdWalls]

Welch, I am concerned that the Florida swamp gas may have infected your brain.

[Tony Parsehole]

Pretty sure Justicar mentioned in the original video RE: JM's indiscretion (which I cannot point you to now b/c memory hole) that he takes care to protect his real life name and location because he has genuine concerns about real life stalking and harrassment.[/quote]

Ah. My bad.

I still have my doubts that they know anything though. Especially Oolon.

[Tony Parsehole]

My apologies for not using the "preview" function today....My excitement about Eurovison is adversely affecting me.

[AbsurdWalls]

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[welch]

welch has a map of Africa tattooed on his arse.

Fell off a ladder, you get a bruise or two when that happens.

[JackSkeptic]

welch has a map of Africa tattooed on his arse.

He's been doing regional BDSM with the Amazing Atheist?

[welch]

I've been possessed by Gorbachev. Who, as it turns out, has no sense of direction.

[AbsurdWalls]

I've been possessed by Gorbachev. Who, as it turns out, has no sense of direction.

Bravo.

[justinvacula]

Day of of Women in Secularism begins! I'll be tweeting and, of course, Karla and I will be co-hosting BHR tonight. Enjoy.

[justinvacula]

New from Ophelia:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ng-at-wis2

No time! I was going to do a quick post last night just to say Rebecca Goldstein’s talk was brilliant, but using the lobby Wifi means one sees all one’s favorite people right in front of one – so, in short, I had deeply interesting conversations with Amanda Knief and Michael DeDora and Seanna Watson and others and the post didn’t get written. So: Goldstein’s talk was brilliant. I’ll tell you why later – meanwhile Miri has a post.
Maryam is on in half an hour, along with others. It’s going to be amazing.
It’s too bad Ron elected to open the conference by using a lot of anti-feminist talking points like “sister punisher” and “privilege” and “shut up and listen” by way of telling us to be Good feminists. Sigh. A couple of people have said “sister punisher” on one or two occasions; it’s hardly a central platform of the demonic Secular Feminists. Telling us, essentially, not to be stupid and dogmatic and coercive wasn’t really a good welcoming intro. (Hint: we weren’t planning to be stupid and dogmatic and coercive, and we’re not children, and we’re not thick.)
So that was a sour note, and has caused a good deal of puzzlement and irritation, but other than that – it’s being amazing.

[Dilurk]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.

Which is precisely why I am Dilurk here and [redacted] elsewhere. These people are as creepy as the stalkers I have had to deal with under [redacted] elsewhere, I don't need more "fun". You kids, I don't care about as I am not at all worried about you guys. Isn't that ironic, the Slymepit with the supposed reputation of stalking behaviour are the very people I am not worried about?

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[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Justicar expressed concern at Abbie's about being doxxed. He is a gay man with children and doesn't want to get them, or himself, exposed. Well, at least that's what I remember and I could be wrong, but I think that's how he went about it.

Anyway, What Myers and friends are doing is disgusting.

[Tony Parsehole]

welch has a map of Africa tattooed on his arse.

Fell off a ladder, you get a bruise or two when that happens.

At least your arsehole didn't land on an upright cucumber. I had a right time explaining that injury to the hospital. Twice.

[Gumby]

Lol.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-620906

http://i.imgur.com/fFHEPh8.jpg

PZ conveniently forgets his own "horde" trying desperately for weeks, 24/7, to "flood" the #FTBullies hashtag and corrupt it from its intended meaning and purpose. PZ and others were gleefully using the Twitter system for their own gain; I don't recall PZ railing against the way Twitter does things back then. Once again, it's OK when they do it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aJVTpFln05g/T ... ocrite.jpg

[Tony Parsehole]

I've been possessed by Gorbachev. Who, as it turns out, has no sense of direction.

Bravo.

HAHA!

[Aneris]

Which is precisely why I am Dilurk here and [redacted] elsewhere. These people are as creepy as the stalkers I have had to deal with under [redacted] elsewhere, I don't need more "fun". You kids, I don't care about as I am not at all worried about you guys. Isn't that ironic, the Slymepit with the supposed reputation of stalking behaviour are the very people I am not worried about?

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Well said. Haven't seen your older comment. It's spot on, too. And still relevant.

[acathode]

Phil, Eurovision song-contest is huge in Australia, in the it's-so-bad-it's-good way. People throw Eurovision parties everywhere and it is hosted on TV by a couple of comedian-musicians.

It's all in good fun and I'm basically aching from laughing so hard, and my kids are loving it!

In the UK a well known broadcaster called Terry Wogan used to voice over. He had a great way of seeming serious while abusing the terrible singing and dress sense of the performers. Now he is gone I don't bother watching. In the final a large chunk of the votes are political and have little to do with how good a song is.

Watching it as a comedy show is probably the only sane way to enjoy this spectacle. Sadly, a lot of people here in Sweden (at least in the media) are deadly serious about this stuff. Feels like ESC and the national version make up 20-30% of all "entertainment"(/gossip) news here...

And yeah, it's really not much of a competition, Swedes will angrily cry foul over the "friendly votes" that all the eastern states give each other, and then ignore how the Scandinavian countries all trade 12 pointers with each other.

Personally, I just hope another
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manages to snag the victory.

I'm still sad that the cross-dressing space teletubbie from Ukraine didn't manage to win the year after Lordi:
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He/she only came in second place... and if that doesn't dispel the notion that this competition has anything to do with music, I don't know what will.

[JackSkeptic]

The whole thing looks like they've gone completely insane,

This ^. QFT.

I find the whole thing quite uncomfortable reading. I've never been one to rubberneck a road accident or to exhibit schadenfreude.

If I was a member of PZ Myer's family, or a friend of his, I would be very very worried about him. Seeing his level of irrationality at the moment, well, some cog has pinged out of the works there and no mistake.

Poor bastard.

I wouldn't mind if PZ or somebody else did a Justicar-style "look how easy you are to dox" video provided they redacted the information as much as Justicar did for his demonstration with JM. I would be surprised if for all of Justicar's bluster he hadn't managed to protect himself better though. Even Oolon claims to have figured out who he is. Given that it is Justicar however, it may be that the "identity" they think they have uncovered isn't his real identity. I doubt he would put himself in a position to be so easily proved wrong.

Of course the ridiculous thing is that this is even a consideration at all.

Which is precisely why I am Dilurk here and [redacted] elsewhere. These people are as creepy as the stalkers I have had to deal with under [redacted] elsewhere, I don't need more "fun". You kids, I don't care about as I am not at all worried about you guys. Isn't that ironic, the Slymepit with the supposed reputation of stalking behaviour are the very people I am not worried about?

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I have always thought the same. I wouldn't care if people here knew my name, address and telephone number. In fact a few people here do know my real name and if I ever blog I will use it. But it comes to something when the only atheist activity I have EVER done where using a real name may be an issue is dealing with FtB et al. I want arguments to stick to facts and to avoid Ad Hominems and personality politics so for me a nym works, at least for now.

[Tony Parsehole]

WOOOOO LORDI!

I know the Eurovision is as fixed as a Spanish bullfight but my country winning doesn't bother me one jot. I like the shit songs, the campiness, the 12 points from Cyprus to Greece EVERY YEAR, the commentators and the fact that all my mates and family come over and get rat-arsed.

What better herald of summer?

[JackSkeptic]

Justicar expressed concern at Abbie's about being doxxed. He is a gay man with children and doesn't want to get them, or himself, exposed. Well, at least that's what I remember and I could be wrong, but I think that's how he went about it.

Anyway, What Myers and friends are doing is disgusting.

Of course it's disgusting and rational people will see that. I am happy he has set himself up as 'leader'. With his complete lack of critical thinking skills and analyses those clowns have no chance of getting anywhere. They will implode one day. If their dogma had a person showing real leadership there would be a lot more than a handful of people at the WIS conference. For now criticising their complete lack of rationalism is as easy as swatting flies.

[Tony Parsehole]

Which is precisely why I am Dilurk here and [redacted] elsewhere. These people are as creepy as the stalkers I have had to deal with under [redacted] elsewhere, I don't need more "fun". You kids, I don't care about as I am not at all worried about you guys. Isn't that ironic, the Slymepit with the supposed reputation of stalking behaviour are the very people I am not worried about?

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Sneering at people who don't use their "real name" online is horse-wank.
The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what name people use online, even if it's their actual real name, they can't prove it is. All they have is a more realistic sounding pseudonym than others. Matthew Bennet could be Susan Clauston for all anybody knows.
I'm not saying people can't use their real name if they want but if they think that doing so scores them brownie-bravery points they are sorely mistaken. They just come across as sanctimonious arseholes.