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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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ellenbeth

You are mixing up different situations.
The failed coup at the organization had nothing to do with the criminal case. I have a pending defamation case against the former board members for throwing those ridiculous paste and cut nonsense charges at me.

As for the marijuana charge, that was also dismissed. If you read carefully, I plead no contest to a paraphernalia charge. I did so because it was the easiest way to end this with no formal finding of guilt.

The marijuana was not mine. But that is irrelevant to being sober.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=656742

I have to go to some serious whackjob fundie boards to find someone as full of bullshit and holes as ellen. Se claims the charges were dismissed, then when it's pointed out to her that they weren't, and she pleaded no contest, she ignores the fact that the she was caught outright lying a few posts earlier, she justifies herself by claiming the marijuana charge was dismissed, despite the reality, that it was dropped as a deal. She then proceeds to admit the fact that she was infact in possession of the marijuana, her defence being that it wasn't hers. Lolz you just can't get this stupid if you bake it.

Methinks the stupidity she displays would be very, very hard to explain to her.

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I have nothing against those jokes per se. The problem I have is the double standard. If we make these jokes, we're racists, sexists, ableists... but if they make them, it's all fine and dandy.

And Steersman, you know that's the point we're making here. So no need to be too generous to Myers et al. They won't recirpocate.

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rocko2466 wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote::whistle:
http://i.imgur.com/IRa6rZ0.jpg
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU SHOULD BURN IN HELLFIRE...

said the head of Humanists of Florida.
Founder of the Atheist empathy campaign.

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I advise ellen beth to keep whatever legal advisor she used in that case on retainer. They obviously realised that pleading no contest would lead to the best outcomes in her instance, as putting her on the stand would be a defence counsels nightmare.

Hypothetical future case:

Prosecution: Ms whackjob have you ever had any involvement with narcotics prior to this charge.

Ms Whackjob: the charges against me were dismissed.

Prosecution: Are you referring to the instance were you plead no contest to the charge of ........? Where the state did not pursue the possession of narcotics charge?

Ms Whackjob: yes, the narcotics weren't mine anyway.

Prosecution: Thankyou Ms Whackjob, i have no further questions.

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WTF?
http://i.imgur.com/8NeDlq0.jpg

They, Rebecca and mob, lead Hall to a stake, pile the firewood all around, and gleefully light the matches.

But it's us who are the bad guys!

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Dick Strawkins wrote:WTF?
http://i.imgur.com/8NeDlq0.jpg

They, Rebecca and mob, lead Hall to a stake, pile the firewood all around, and gleefully light the matches.

But it's us who are the bad guys!
Yes, we are the evil ones, its in the small print of the contract you didn't sign when you became a Pitter

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I see that Ellenbeth Wachs has picked up a particularly nasty troll that calls themselves Himmlers Ghost.
That particular troll looks like they have a history of deliberatly provocative tweets, using rape wishes and racial epithets just to rile people up.
Even though she thinks I deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity (I forgive you Ellenbeth!), Ellenbeth doesn't deserve the sort of messages she is getting from this nasty trolling fuckwit.

One thing I would add is that you might imagine that 'himmlers ghost' is exactly the sort of troll that a blockbot would suit, but of course, no, oolons list has people like me, who have never once messaged any of them, and doesn't include genuine harrassing trolls like himmlers ghost.
http://unbelievesteve.freetzi.com/blocklist_full2.html

oolon? :doh:

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EdgePenguin wrote:Every time they get someone to back down, and write a sanctimonious victory blog, I am reminded of the final chapter of 1984, where Winston Smith finally realising he 'loved Big Brother'
I was going to post something along these lines. If the "side" we seem to find ourselves on makes any concession or apology, even if just for the sake of brokering the peace, it is trumpeted from the other "side" as the person doing so having finally "seen the light(of Jesus?)". blech.

Can't they just say that the two individuals made apologies and buried the hatchet without the rhetoric and political shit slinging about who (they thought) was wrong or right to begin with?

I'm glad Dr. Hall and Ms Roth made peace. There. End of story. Full stop.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:WTF?
http://i.imgur.com/8NeDlq0.jpg

They, Rebecca and mob, lead Hall to a stake, pile the firewood all around, and gleefully light the matches.

But it's us who are the bad guys!
When Novella takes credit for this, the last illusions of benefit of doubt vanish. Novella is as owned as Myers.

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justinvacula wrote:
Apples wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:WTF?

http://i.imgur.com/txxqcJx.jpg

Isn't she the head of an atheist organization? :shock:
She wants you to obey her cats.
I tweeted suggesting she resign from her Humanists of Florida position. She 'responded.'

http://i.imgur.com/Ptjbgrp.jpg

We've graduated to a 'cybermob.'
I think she's trying too hard to troll. And as it is bound to happen to any less talented troll, she became stale and pathetic after the third twitter. Let it go, Crazy Sex Offender Lady, and try again - weak trolling is weak.

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LMU wrote:
Right... so it's okay to call someone a sexist epithet as long as you're making fun of them?
So, Crazy Cunt Lady finally gets it? Nice!

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TheMudbrooker wrote: In spoken conversation tone and affect count for as much, if not more, than the words spoken. When PZ says "manual labor....we'll be your Mexicans" his tone is snide and dismissive, his expression is condecending. The evidence you request is quite literally written on his face.
I mentioned on the previous page that the phrase on its own is offensive and condescending in the cultural context of the southern US Border states, but apparently Steersman chooses to ignore that.

Not difficult to determine whether a person, whose hands and body are visible in many photos and videos, disdains manual labor. If I spend just a weekend working with horses, repairing or building fences, digging garden plots, and hauling landscaping materials around, my hands look (and feel) different (also, I'm completely exhausted). If I spent more time in those activities, my hands and my body would look very different. I'm more active at work than most academics, because of the nature of my teaching, and I run ~15 miles per week, but that is not at all the same physically as having a job that requires manual labor.

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Submariner wrote: I'm glad Dr. Hall and Ms Roth made peace. There. End of story. Full stop.
That's exactly what I was thinking. No more needs be said, except by those compelled to blog and spin.

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franc wrote:When Novella takes credit for this, the last illusions of benefit of doubt vanish. Novella is as owned as Myers.
He does not need to take credit for it, to have the benefit of collegiate doubt vapourise.
That event occurred years ago.
Novella was assimilated as the moment that Beccy inserted her fungal hooks into him, as per Rafflesia spp.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m805n ... o1_400.jpg
A complete parasite that has as its host: strangling vines that in turn parasitise normal trees.
In other words: a parasite of a parasite.

It has the biggest flower on the planet, a gaudy be-petalled display that is intended to attract carrion-flies.
Brainless insects that are attracted to the stench of rotting corpses, and can smell it from miles away, then feed on the meagre offerings, mindlessly spreading the root-infection.

Is that Watson/Skepchick, or a plant?

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Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……

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BarnOwl wrote:...If I spend just a weekend working with horses...
Bugger cats, or dogs.
If you have an affinity with equines, then you are OK with me, for what that is worth.

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……
Start fucking there.
Pardon? :shock:

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……
Erique just has to be:
1) A POE
2) Mental
3) Mental
4) Mental
5) The next guest on ReapSewRadio
6) Mental
7) An A✟Theism Moderator

Which is it, Ó”rik?
What's that you pathetic cunt-weasel?
You get agitated when your FAKE FALSE PHONEY MADE-UP fucking goonie-handle is mis-spelled?!
Hah!
ÖrÏᄌɚ, get used to it.

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Start fucking on Skepchick? Or on women in general? I'm a bit confused.

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Also, a s general matter, I hate it when people say "start here" then list ten thousand things that need to happen for the start. The start is supposed to be one simple thing that can be easily accomplished.

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EdwardGemmer wrote:Also, a s general matter, I hate it when people say "start here" then list ten thousand things that need to happen for the start. The start is supposed to be one simple thing that can be easily accomplished.
Here's your starter for 10:
Name the Plantagenet Queen who was unearthed recently in a Sainsburys car-park in South Johannesburg.
Not so "simple", eh?

(Answers on the back of your screen.)

For clues, send £5,000,000 to me (me), c/o- BBC Bribes Ltd, Routen House, Bombay, Jamaica, SW3.
Start here.

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franc wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
franc wrote:Wachs makes the StraightDope forums -

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=656742
She's spreading her lunacy all over the internet. You've got a real winner representing you CFI.
Technically, she's just a CFI member. American Humanists are the ones that have the winner - FHA is a full charter chapter.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/What_We ... AHA_Groups
http://oi48.tinypic.com/2q1uwld.jpg

She's also -
Atheists of Florida
Legal Affairs Coordinator 2010-2011
Vice-President, 2011-2012
Founder, Director - Lakeland Chapter, 2009
Board Member January 2010- April 2012
http://free2think.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1222
http://atheistsofflorida.org/index.html

Who knows who the fuck they are - their website is a geocities flashback.
I believe she got booted off her job with Atheists of Florida over accusations of misuse of the org's money, and she is suing them for defamation.

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Are you sure the start doesn't also include renouncing my family, sending my kids to Mexico, and then jumping out of an airplane?

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Michael K Gray wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:...If I spend just a weekend working with horses...
Bugger cats, or dogs.
If you have an affinity with equines, then you are OK with me, for what that is worth.
I used to think that horse trainer = dream job. Then a horse trainer friend arranged a "day of being a horse trainer" for my birthday one year. My birthday is in the middle of summer, and this event took place on the Texas plains. After riding the fourth horse of six that I was assigned to exercise that morning, I could barely haul my academia-pampered butt up into the saddle. I managed to finish the horse-exercising (not just riding, but also swinging a mallet and hitting a ball, to get the horses used to it), but not done yet ... time to move the antiquated irrigation system and adjust it if necessary. I didn't have the hand strength to make the adjustments. Is it lunchtime? Definitely hungry, but there are water buckets to check and fill, medications to administer, legs to be wrapped, etc. etc.

I learned a lot that day. Everyone who disdains manual labor should have such a birthday present and attitude realignment.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I see that Ellenbeth Wachs has picked up a particularly nasty troll that calls themselves Himmlers Ghost.
That particular troll looks like they have a history of deliberatly provocative tweets, using rape wishes and racial epithets just to rile people up.
Even though she thinks I deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity (I forgive you Ellenbeth!), Ellenbeth doesn't deserve the sort of messages she is getting from this nasty trolling fuckwit.

One thing I would add is that you might imagine that 'himmlers ghost' is exactly the sort of troll that a blockbot would suit, but of course, no, oolons list has people like me, who have never once messaged any of them, and doesn't include genuine harrassing trolls like himmlers ghost.
http://unbelievesteve.freetzi.com/blocklist_full2.html

oolon? :doh:
I MADE NUMBER 12!!

ROCK ON!! :D

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……
Renounce? Renounce?!? It really is a fucking church, and a disgrace to atheists and skeptics everywhere. Thanks douchebag!

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At this point it does seem to me that for some reason the group who encompass places like Atheism Plus (why is that place rarely mentioned by those who vocally supported it? Why is it not brought up more often as an example of the hypocritical abusive rhetoric that is so often targeted at this site?) and FtB and Skepchick created a rift in the "movement" by promoting the idea that the Skepticism movement would be better if everyone got on board with "feminism", "social justice" etc.

However it appears to me that any criticism of their exaggerated claims and finger pointing is dismissed, as if somehow they get a free pass because of their ideology or attention seeking (dependant on your point of view.)

To me, it seems like the skeptic "movement" has a fundamental issue, that of attempting to deal with emotional arguments rationally. That cannot and will not work. All the apologies and attempts at mending any feud is not an attempt to heal a rift, but to pander to emotionally unstable people and NMD's. That they are emotionally unstable means they cannot be reasoned with, they do not want to be reasoned with, they want vindication that their emotions are paramount and thus it will always be a losing battle. As for the NMD's well they thrive on drama because they are nothing more than content providers.

Neither of those group wishes for peace, they need the drama because they are neither rational nor interested in skepticism, only themselves.

Anyone who has ever worked with children knows exactly how you deal with tantrums and loud attention seeking, I do not understand why so many people who claim to be intelligent think these people are actually worth having in any group. The Amazing Meeting seems to have understood that to give them a platform is to validate them. This is not about women's rights or the rights of minority groups. It is plainly and simply about attention.

Here, their hypocrisy, double standards and invective have been displayed over and over and over again. The evidence is overwhelming. That they have been able to turn that into "harrassment" and "cyber-bullying" shows just how screwed up the so-called "impartial" members of this movement are that they are willfully ignorant of this. Many others are not. Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and others have also pointed out how unhelpful this all is and been maligned for it. I do not recall many of the "impartials" calling out the vile rhetoric used against them by so called members of the atheist/skeptical community.

Why?

The answer to that is simple. Those who think women who court controversy should be protected from criticism and the invective they themselves employ are obviously sexist. They should, as the saying goes, "check their privilege".

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Michael K Gray wrote:
EdwardGemmer wrote:Also, a s general matter, I hate it when people say "start here" then list ten thousand things that need to happen for the start. The start is supposed to be one simple thing that can be easily accomplished.
Here's your starter for 10:
Name the Plantagenet Queen who was unearthed recently in a Sainsburys car-park in South Johannesburg.
Not so "simple", eh?

(Answers on the back of your screen.)

For clues, send £5,000,000 to me (me), c/o- BBC Bribes Ltd, Routen House, Bombay, Jamaica, SW3.
Start here.
Edward II?

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……
Renounce? Renounce?!? It really is a fucking church, and a disgrace to atheists and skeptics everywhere. Thanks douchebag!
Somehow I was just reminded of this:
[youtube]TyNuvLfq4qA[/youtube]

Rocko should do a parody. Renounce...renounce...

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now…
I have to say you don't come off all that well in that exchange with him either. This guy seems about as sharp as a brick, why let him get under your skin?

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
ok seriously… JV, you’re reading this comment thread, do this:
Renounce the pit, renounce reap paden, he is clearly off the deep end.
Every one renounce thunderfool…..
ERV has some splainin to do…
The ftbullies# stops now….
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events. Start fucking there.
Thunderfool doesn’t get to gnaw on people’s extremities without their consent. RW doesn’t have to get propositioned in an elevator at 4:00 AM when she’s clearly there to talk about women in the secular movement and not get hit on in enclosed spaces by strangers.
Women don’t attend secular events so you can try and fuck them. Start there JV, admit that, admit that men can make things uncomfortable for women when they act like predators, admit that women want to be seen and acknowledged for their intellectual contribution, and not their vaginal worth.
Start there……
Sounds like SaelPalani to me :p

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windy wrote: I have to say you don't come off all that well in that exchange with him either. This guy seems about as sharp as a brick, why let him get under your skin?
Thanks for the heads up, I'll give it a rest.

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I wasn't upset or anything, though, just bemused at the neo-commie rhetoric.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:WTF?
http://i.imgur.com/8NeDlq0.jpg

They, Rebecca and mob, lead Hall to a stake, pile the firewood all around, and gleefully light the matches.

But it's us who are the bad guys!
DAMN YOU HARRIET HALL! DAMN YOOOOOU!!!! I TARGET YOU FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!

There. Now the Peezers can sleep in peace. You're welcome!

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Since 'skepticism' is now supposed to be applied to politics, here are some thoughts about how to make a persuasive and integrated argument about a political issue:

Have a point of view with philosophical integrity -- if you're libertarian-minded, make consistent arguments about the autonomy of individuals and their right to be free of coercion by the state or other people. If you're on the socialist side of things, explain why the rights of individual people generally need to be subordinated to the needs of 'society,' of the group. Use logic with care and provide solid economic/social science research to back up debatable claims.

If you're really just representing a special interest, be up front about it. Explain why the group you represent (men, women, children, trans* people, whatever) is better/more important than other people and deserves special consideration that trumps the principles of equal protection and nondiscrimination. Good luck. (Or you can just admit that you're fighting for a bigger piece of the pie and you don't really give a shit about anyone outside your group.)

If you're a baboon:

Take a chinese-menu approach to political arguments. Parrot libertarian arguments on women's rights and socialist arguments when it comes to economics, and substitute sarcasm and invective during the plurality of the time when you have no clue about the facts of the matter but are damn sure you know what side you're on.

Decry a pandemic of violence against women and any regulation of abortion but remain silent about the military draft, workplace mortality, prison rape, etc. Talk constantly about the oppression of women and scream about "gendered slurs," while characterizing any dissenting pov as "what about the menz" and "bitchez ain't shit." Call criticism of your views "harassment" and then in the same breath trash people who call for civility. Mock complaints about capricious, manipulative, and unfair moderation of dialogues as whining about "freeze peach." Claim that "intent isn't magic" and then make outrageous claims and well-poisoning implications about your opponents' character and intentions, while misrepresenting their statements or outright making shit up. If your opponents quote what you say exactly and provide a link to back it up, accuse them of obsessively stalking you.

Preen and congratulate yourself on your integrity and moral purity and groom your cage-mates. Act hurt and confused, and then self-righteous, when you face yet another massive wave of criticism and contempt.

/end rant

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Skep tickle wrote:
John Brown wrote:PZ Myers on the whole Amy Roth/Harriet Hall thing:
Harriet Hall and Amy Roth have reconciled. I’m pleased to hear it; I wasn’t worried about Amy, but Hall was going to hit mantle at the rate she was digging. It is a great relief that she stopped, looked around, and considered her situation thoughtfully, and then responded well.
For fuck's sake. Can't PZ Myers be gracious about anything? I think he's jealous because he realizes he's not 1/4 of the woman Harriet Hall is.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... lent-news/
Blech. The "now, now girls; kiss and make up" was disturbing enough but this is nauseating.

The best thing about this thread at Pharyngula is that every other post mentions the slyme pit; hello, new lurkers!

From the responses to PZ's post, note this:

http://i.imgur.com/4ZGidDj.png
"Abbie love...extrajudicial revenge-defense killing" ??!!

http://i.imgur.com/IrEJxS8.png
"Hall showed intellectual humility"?? (Whereas Roth's contribution wouldn't generally be described by using "intellectual" - sorry but it's true, compare their emails in Novella's blog post.)

Then PZ likens making up to ERV to "asking me to kiss and make up with some slimy squishy creature at the bottom of the sea"?

Uh oh, better watch out, Abbie! PZ can't hide it, an abiding interest in those slimy squishy sea-bottom creatures is part of his public persona, so that means he's looking forward to it?


PZ's 'I do not think of Abbie' sthick sound eerily familiar to Rebecca Watson saying she does not think of Harriet Hall...and we know in both cases this is false. PZ frequently speaks about the pit and reads his commentariats' posts about it. The pit is no doubt linked to Abbie (in his head) . SN - Where is that optical illusion video :)

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Just FYI -

I found subtitles for Zombie Ass: Toilet of the Dead.

I suspect a few may share my haute culture.

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BarnOwl wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:...If I spend just a weekend working with horses...
Bugger cats, or dogs.
If you have an affinity with equines, then you are OK with me, for what that is worth.
I used to think that horse trainer = dream job.
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I learned a lot that day. Everyone who disdains manual labor should have such a birthday present and attitude realignment.
My next-farm-but-one mate is a horse trainer, here in Oz.
He has two fingers missing.
Wild horse bit 'em off.
Hows that for attitude re-alignment!
In yer dreams. Or night-mares.

To be wary of horses is not wimpish.
Horse-training is not a bed-of-roses, but it fertilises them to a sovereign extent!

Oh, and on your theme: If one can no longer send one's offspring into the Army, (that'll make 'em grow up quick-smart!), then one can at least, as you so cogently allude: get 'em endlessly shovelling horse-shit. That'll teach 'em a lesson.

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John Brown wrote:PZ Myers on the whole Amy Roth/Harriet Hall thing:
Harriet Hall and Amy Roth have reconciled. I’m pleased to hear it; I wasn’t worried about Amy, but Hall was going to hit mantle at the rate she was digging. It is a great relief that she stopped, looked around, and considered her situation thoughtfully, and then responded well.
For fuck's sake. Can't PZ Myers be gracious about anything? I think he's jealous because he realizes he's not 1/4 of the woman Harriet Hall is.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... lent-news/
I know Hall probably realized she had nothing to apologize for and just apologized to get over that hurdle and try to build meaningful dialogue in the future, because that's the kind of class act she is. But PZ just confirmed that was a mistake with that drivel. He just turned Hall's gracious act into a complete win for "his side" and a "lucky for Hall she did that" for her. He just fucked her into the ground with that shitty statement. It's a mistake to give these people the benefit of the doubt, because they're only concerned with "winning". They'll turn everything, even classy moves by the other side, into a weapon they can use against them.

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EdwardGemmer wrote:Are you sure the start doesn't also include renouncing my family, sending my kids to Mexico, and then jumping out of an airplane?
£5,000,000
in unmarked notes.
Nice modem you've got there, eh squire?
Be a pity if it were to catch fire.
'Fings catch fire, you know.
Wink, wink.

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Gumby wrote:
I know Hall probably realized she had nothing to apologize for and just apologized to get over that hurdle and try to build meaningful dialogue in the future, because that's the kind of class act she is. But PZ just confirmed that was a mistake with that drivel. He just turned Hall's gracious act into a complete win for "his side" and a "lucky for Hall she did that" for her. He just fucked her into the ground with that shitty statement. It's a mistake to give these people the benefit of the doubt, because they're only concerned with "winning". They'll turn everything, even classy moves by the other side, into a weapon they can use against them.
I agree, but the trojan horse was easy enough to spot. Not Hall's brightest move, if you ask me.

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The fuckweeds have supplied a template that any pitter wishing to engage in dialogue can use, for a start.

http://www.deliveranceplace.com/dprayers.html

My response

[youtube]BF5Dtf7u6tQ[/youtube]

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rocko2466 wrote:I am coining a new term "Ellenquent". It's when Ellen Beth Wachs says something and it doesn't make any damn sense.
Can I just throw "Ellenmentary" into the mix?

Adjective

1 Not of or relating to the most rudimentary aspects of a subject.
2 Not easily dealt with; Confusing and complicated: "a lot of the work is ellenmentary".

:rimshot:

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justinvacula wrote:PZ's 'I do not think of Abbie' sthick sound eerily familiar to Rebecca Watson saying she does not think of Harriet Hall...and we know in both cases this is false. PZ frequently speaks about the pit and reads his commentariats' posts about it. The pit is no doubt linked to Abbie (in his head) . SN - Where is that optical illusion video :)
It sounds like a belabored way to say he really wants to meet Sponge Bob Square Pants.
:character-spongebobdance: :character-spongebobdance: :character-spongebobdance: :character-spongebobdance: :character-spongebobdance: :character-spongebobdance:

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
EdwardGemmer wrote:Also, a s general matter, I hate it when people say "start here" then list ten thousand things that need to happen for the start. The start is supposed to be one simple thing that can be easily accomplished.
Here's your starter for 10:
Name the Plantagenet Queen who was unearthed recently in a Sainsburys car-park in South Johannesburg.
Not so "simple", eh?

(Answers on the back of your screen.)

For clues, send £5,000,000 to me (me), c/o- BBC Bribes Ltd, Routen House, Bombay, Jamaica, SW3.
Start here.
Edward II?
No, I'm afraid that that answer from École Polytechnique is not sufficiently padded with le/la requisite corrompre.
The question therefore goes to the team from Magdalene College, Venezuela.
Oolon, can you offer the requisite grift?
£5,000,000 or more will clinch the series.

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PZ Myers wrote:It is a great relief that she stopped, looked around, and considered her situation thoughtfully, and then responded well.
This is condescending as all get out - as if he is responding to a truculent child. Now you may be released from your Time Out!

I notice he doesn't commend Surly Amy for responding well by using her words instead of crying and, as we recently learned, screaming at Dr. Hall.

I know this is petty - these people do bring out the worst in me.
franc wrote:To repeat the point - it's not what they look like to us that matters. It's what they look like to the outside, specifically the religionist, social authoritarian right. Both are gifts that keep on giving.
Yes, exactly. Wackos and loons do not help If we ever want to be taken seriously and respected by the mainstream. I know this is difficult with grassroots organizations, but really . . .

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What the fuck would PZ Myers know about manual labor? Over that past two decades I have worked on roads, bridges, dams, pipelines, schools, hospitals, technical colleges, universities, battered women's shelters (how many "feminists" have that on their resume?) and laid hundreds of miles of water mains, sanitary sewer and storm sewer lines. One year's worth of the manual labor I have performed, and which Myers so clearly disdains, provides more real, tangible benefit to society than the work of a dozen lifetimes of a dozen third-rate hick town college professors like him.
In short, go fuck yourself Professor Myers, you smug, smarmy, self-important little cocksucker.[/quote]

A few years back I spent three months helping to renovate two battered women's shelters in my town. These stunted and uber-privileged radfem pseudo-SJW's, who spend most of their time calling all men rapists and drowning in self-pity because someone said something mean to them on the internet, should actually visit one of these places sometimes to see the women (and their small scared children) who actually have something to be bitter and angry about.

The likes of PZ and Surly Amy consider it a huge victory for feminism when they relentlessly badger and bully a woman who wears a t-shirt they don't like into issuing an unnecessary apology. The women I saw considered it a victory when they showed up on the doorstep of the shelter, bruised and beaten, but knowing they and their toddlers would be able to spend a night without the fear that hubby would come home drunk again and beat the crap out of them again.

PZ et. al. are about as worthless and useless as people get.

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oolon wrote:Wow Justin Vaculas comment giving “advice” on how to avoid harassment campaigns is rather inappropriate… Comes across as shut up or I’ll carry on punching you in the face (Or in his case – his mates will carry on punching you in the face). Really shows how clueless he is at times. Let me give it a go …

Justin when you hang out at the Slymepit which is dedicated to finding the least charitable interpretation of anything and everything said by Skepchicks/FtBers and anyone on the periphery you are not in a position to give advice. Especially when that forum creates “disagreement” along the lines of this without so much as a whimper of complaint from you.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... eace-nsfw/

That’s not even the worst of it… The “skeptics” at the Slymepit have recently targeted Ellen Beth Wachs, cheered on by the queen of the forum ERV of scienceblogs, to side with the fundamentalist Christian Sheriff and his allegations against her designed to smear and undermine her secular activism. Here is James Randi’s opinion of Ellen ->
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swi ... ivist.html
Here is ERV encouraging her internet mob to “carry on trolling” Ellen, by trolling she means continue spreading the Sheriffs false allegations against her.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 3567_n.jpg

That is still not the worst of it…. Really! Avicenna is a new blogger on FtBs, who has the great minds at the Slymepit trying to deny him his massive £1 income a day from blogging. But even more worryingly the great “freethinkers” over there have been supporting and encouraging a particularly nasty MRA who engages in some pretty nasty rape apologia over the recent Indian rape cases. Big cheer for “freethought” there!
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... n-atheism/

So Steven Novella will find some push back for his call for both sides to be more charitable. I agree with him there is a continuum of criticisms the Slymepit etc pick up on … But when the “reasonable” people criticising, like Justin Vacula, hang out with a group of despicable bullies and say nothing why should anyone listen to them?

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sorry - oolon's comment is on the Novella thread: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde ... ment-50891

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Is there a name for what is wrong with Oolong?

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ellenbeth

You are mixing up different situations.
The failed coup at the organization had nothing to do with the criminal case. I have a pending defamation case against the former board members for throwing those ridiculous paste and cut nonsense charges at me.

As for the marijuana charge, that was also dismissed. If you read carefully, I plead no contest to a paraphernalia charge. I did so because it was the easiest way to end this with no formal finding of guilt.

The marijuana was not mine. But that is irrelevant to being sober.
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Bill Openthalt pwns erikthebassist:
WTF does feminism have to do with socialism and neo-marxism?
Radical feminism uses the same dialectic approach as marxism:

- Both divide humanity in two arbitrary groups, with one group systematically oppressed by the other (workers vs. bourgeoisie, women vs. men).

- Both hold that individuals are primarily defined by the group they belong to, and that any individual’s instinctive loyalty is to the group with the proviso that members of the oppressing group only favour members of their own group, whereas members of the oppressed group want the best for all of humanity.

- Both feel a better society will arise when the perceived roles of the groups will be reversed. In other words, the currently oppressed group is morally better than the oppressing group, and will not oppress the defeated group once in power.

- Both redefine and create language (comrade, sister, class war, rape culture, entitlement, etc.) and develop pseudo-philosophy and pseudo-science around their core dogmas.

- Both hold that those they identify as members of the oppressing group cannot have valid criticism of the core beliefs. In fact, criticism is seen as proof of membership of the oppressing group.

- Both believe that purported past injustices against members of the oppressed group (even if the circumstances were different and the “members” of those days did not perceive their situation as injust) justify retaliatory action against living members of the oppressing group (even if these individuals personally never did anything “oppressive”). The group is more important than the individual.

- Both believe a self-defined victim status intitles them to the moral high-ground, and both believe that doubting their victim status is the same as oppression.

- Both believe the members of the oppressing group are aware of their privileged status and maliciously protect and promote the injust privileges of their group.

- Both ignore evidence showing their worldview is too simplistic.

Basically, both are a non-religious expressions of the group-building behavioural patterns that allow humans to build large, cooperative societies. While in earlier days the grouping was based on genetic relationships (tribe vs the rest) and used religion, Marx used the worker/bourgeois division and socialism. This doesn’t mean there is no good in socialism or religion, just that the ideology+group pattern is a very powerful organisational tool. One only has to look at history to see it occur over and over (mormonism, scientology, moonies, companies such as Apple, etc.). It becomes problematic when the group claims universality and moral authority over those not formally part of the us/them divide (this is the case for religions such as christianity and islam, or political ideologies such as marxism).

Does this answer your question?
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Submariner wrote:
EdgePenguin wrote:Every time they get someone to back down, and write a sanctimonious victory blog, I am reminded of the final chapter of 1984, where Winston Smith finally realising he 'loved Big Brother'
I was going to post something along these lines. If the "side" we seem to find ourselves on makes any concession or apology, even if just for the sake of brokering the peace, it is trumpeted from the other "side" as the person doing so having finally "seen the light(of Jesus?)". blech.

Can't they just say that the two individuals made apologies and buried the hatchet without the rhetoric and political shit slinging about who (they thought) was wrong or right to begin with?

I'm glad Dr. Hall and Ms Roth made peace. There. End of story. Full stop.
I'm glad too and I hope it lasts and serves as a model for all of us. There is an awful lot of time and energy spent in negative activity. Imagine the good we could do with those resources. :rimshot:

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Michael K Gray wrote:Is there a name for what is wrong with Oolong?
I think it's called "being a ridiculous, dishonest, comically sycophantic piece of shit" syndrome.

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decius wrote:
Gumby wrote:
I know Hall probably realized she had nothing to apologize for and just apologized to get over that hurdle and try to build meaningful dialogue in the future, because that's the kind of class act she is. But PZ just confirmed that was a mistake with that drivel. He just turned Hall's gracious act into a complete win for "his side" and a "lucky for Hall she did that" for her. He just fucked her into the ground with that shitty statement. It's a mistake to give these people the benefit of the doubt, because they're only concerned with "winning". They'll turn everything, even classy moves by the other side, into a weapon they can use against them.
I agree, but the trojan horse was easy enough to spot. Not Hall's brightest move, if you ask me.
You are absolutely right. Hall should have known what was coming. Now she's reduced to an "example" that PZ and his fellow scumbags can use to prove that they're "right" about everything, and there's nothing she can do about it.

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decius wrote:Some real hooters at Novella's.
# erikthebassiston 26 Feb 2013 at 2:11 am
. . .
You want a cease fire…. Call a cease fire, no more bashing of RW, no more bashing of Skepchick or FTB, admit that feminism is a voice that will be heard, acknowledge that women are people, and should be treated as equals at secular events.
. . .
Nothing about admitting that you've stopped beating your wife?

I only follow the manufactroversy intermittently, but I haven't seen anyone other than those on FTB/A+/Skepchick suggesting that women be treated as anything other than equals at secular events (nor have I heard anyone suggesting that feminists should be censored, again except at FTB/A+/Skepchick). These kinds of sleazy, dishonest rhetorical tactics are why I stopped reading Pharyngula.

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Quote fail fix -
What the fuck would PZ Myers know about manual labor? Over that past two decades I have worked on roads, bridges, dams, pipelines, schools, hospitals, technical colleges, universities, battered women's shelters (how many "feminists" have that on their resume?) and laid hundreds of miles of water mains, sanitary sewer and storm sewer lines. One year's worth of the manual labor I have performed, and which Myers so clearly disdains, provides more real, tangible benefit to society than the work of a dozen lifetimes of a dozen third-rate hick town college professors like him.
In short, go fuck yourself Professor Myers, you smug, smarmy, self-important little cocksucker.
A few years back I spent three months helping to renovate two battered women's shelters in my town. These stunted and uber-privileged radfem pseudo-SJW's, who spend most of their time calling all men rapists and drowning in self-pity because someone said something mean to them on the internet, should actually visit one of these places sometimes to see the women (and their small scared children) who actually have something to be bitter and angry about.

The likes of PZ and Surly Amy consider it a huge victory for feminism when they relentlessly badger and bully a woman who wears a t-shirt they don't like into issuing an unnecessary apology. The women I saw considered it a victory when they showed up on the doorstep of the shelter, bruised and beaten, but knowing they and their toddlers would be able to spend a night without the fear that hubby would come home drunk again and beat the crap out of them again.

PZ et. al. are about as worthless and useless as people get.

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Michael K Gray wrote:Is there a name for what is wrong with Oolong?
Manginosis.

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Apples wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Is there a name for what is wrong with Oolong?
I think it's called "being a ridiculous, dishonest, comically sycophantic piece of shit" syndrome.
No, with Ooley, it's pretty simple - he thinks that he should work towards allowing minority and marginalised people to have voices in any community or institution they wish.

Except when the community in question happens to be his very white, very middle-class village, and the institution is his very white, very middle-class tennis club. Then he does pretty much fuck all about it.

There's a word for that. MKG probably knows what it is.

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Michael K Gray wrote:Is there a name for what is wrong with Oolong?
Retardosycophantism.

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