Hullo.Ericb wrote:HI, I guess I never formally introduced myself. I've been lucking here (and earlier at the old ERV thread) since E-gate. I mostly lurk and I have cats:
Is that a dedicated kitteh ladder/perch in the second photo with the tuxedo kitteh?Ericb wrote:HI, I guess I never formally introduced myself. I've been lucking here (and earlier at the old ERV thread) since E-gate. I mostly lurk and I have cats:
Nice photo! There was a mockingbird nest in one of the mountain laurels in my backyard last spring, but a possum or raccoon killed the chicks before they fledged.TedDahlberg wrote:BarnOwl wrote:Squeeee!!!TedDahlberg wrote:@BarnOwl
I see one of your long lost relatives has turned up!
Owls are awesome. There's a Great-horned Owl that likes to hang out on the roof of my neighbor's house early in the morning - if I imitate its call, it will respond and hoot back.
Now I'm jealous. I had a pair of blackbirds nest outside my kitchen window one spring, but no owls. (I'll take this as an excuse to post a lucky picture I got of the mother feeding the chicks.)
http://dyingunderalienstars.files.wordp ... tungar.jpg
Well, we didn't want to say anything but… :PBarnOwl wrote:I'm well on my way to becoming a crazy old owl lady, aren't I? :D
You are assuming that everyone is OK with sex offenders registers, which is a big stretch. But even so, government also has the rights to detain citizens, to print money, and to wage war for no good reason if the President wants to. I wouldn't trust AVfM or anyone else with any of those "rights".Submariner wrote:I think actually being in the physical proximity (meatspace) is necessary to call it violence. Although not restricted to meatspace by definition, it hardly seems violent typing on a keyboard. Although, some would argue that one can type words of such offense and violence as to be actionable under hate speech laws.welch wrote:
So then the next time someone here says really mean things about someone you dislike, like oh "Ophelia is a ragingly stupid cunt", you will of course consider that an act of violence against her via definition 3b, and of course, say something against it because violence is wrong, right?
My argument was this: If it's ok for the government to publish lists of "sex offenders" (which may include offenses unrelated to having sex with minors) and those government lists include actual street addresses and are not considered intimidation or calls for vigilantism, then why is it not ok for AVfM to post lists of people who have committed acts of misandry that does NOT include the actual street addresses, because it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism?
BarnOwl wrote:Is that a dedicated kitteh ladder/perch in the second photo with the tuxedo kitteh?Ericb wrote:HI, I guess I never formally introduced myself. I've been lucking here (and earlier at the old ERV thread) since E-gate. I mostly lurk and I have cats:
OK.Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
He'll be listed on AVoiceForMen, then? He's not going to get away with this.....On whether or not it's violence
I looked into the videos. Here's what I came up with:
(1) (at 1:00 Man shoves door into person who has just entered?)
The Pit is usually active in response to something the baboons have said or done. Right now it's all quiet, so the convo here is a little flat. Give it a few days, I'm sure it'll liven up again.Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
[youtube]KKABLbWbUPM[/youtube]Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:let's keep the trend going, shall we?Michael K Gray wrote:You just noticed that? Me oh my you are a bit slow.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Dante, Dante really?!? You, sir, are no gentleman!
Would you have preferred Milton, perhaps? Parrot-dice lost?
[youtube]*Symphony X snip*[/youtube]
It's because the baboons have lost. We are only as relevant as the twats we oppose.Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
:doh: Oh no no no no no!SPACKlick wrote:Well She's also a pensionable ho, and if she keeps driving away men she'll have alone hip bones, avoiding overuse of toys to avoid getting baleen hip soon, will leave her dried up and requiring the old banshee loin op. When that goes wrong she'll cry out with a plebeian's 'Oh No' and realise' "I'll be unable to enjoy the beanpole I nosh. This time away from blogging means she'll have to hop on baseline and beg for shoevlogs again. When people complain, she'll want to dig dirt and every interaction will begin Hi, enable snoop!. Sick of celibacy she could become a no hope lesbian, desperate for attention she'd open "Hon Abseil" to draw the ladies. Realising she'd lost her position she'd have to Bale on phonies and slowly abolish one pen of those morons after another until only one is left. Her final act being Banish ole peon PZ from her life and ride into the sunset on albino sheepCasual Nemesis wrote:UnbelieveSteve wrote:Ophelia Benson
anagram
A Noble Penis Ho
Thanks. I burst out laughing in the middle of a coffee shop, and couldn't stop.
Next post, greg laden anagrams, anagrams are fun
[youtube]C6ZDsUGiGqM[/youtube]Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
+1jimthepleb wrote::doh: Oh no no no no no!SPACKlick wrote:Well She's also a pensionable ho, and if she keeps driving away men she'll have alone hip bones, avoiding overuse of toys to avoid getting baleen hip soon, will leave her dried up and requiring the old banshee loin op. When that goes wrong she'll cry out with a plebeian's 'Oh No' and realise' "I'll be unable to enjoy the beanpole I nosh. This time away from blogging means she'll have to hop on baseline and beg for shoevlogs again. When people complain, she'll want to dig dirt and every interaction will begin Hi, enable snoop!. Sick of celibacy she could become a no hope lesbian, desperate for attention she'd open "Hon Abseil" to draw the ladies. Realising she'd lost her position she'd have to Bale on phonies and slowly abolish one pen of those morons after another until only one is left. Her final act being Banish ole peon PZ from her life and ride into the sunset on albino sheepCasual Nemesis wrote:UnbelieveSteve wrote:Ophelia Benson
anagram
A Noble Penis Ho
Thanks. I burst out laughing in the middle of a coffee shop, and couldn't stop.
Next post, greg laden anagrams, anagrams are fun
It is completely up to you but I must say, this is one of the best forums I've ever posted on and I'd be very sorry to see it goLsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
Yeah, you wish!Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
It's only a matter time ....jjbinx007 wrote:The Pit is usually active in response to something the baboons have said or done. Right now it's all quiet, so the convo here is a little flat. Give it a few days, I'm sure it'll liven up again.Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
Do you mean handing over admin duties to someone else, or closing the pit altogether?Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
AnonymousCowherd wrote:http://skepchick.org/2012/09/misandry-a-how-to/A few months ago, there was a very friendly stray cat hanging around our house. I told my neighbors that if he came within grabbing distance, that I’d take him. My neighbor pounded on my door at 11pm, holding a wiggling, crying cat. She pushed him through the door to me, and I took him to the basement and set him up with food and blankets and water, trying to be quiet because my boyfriend was sleeping. The stray mostly ignored the array of riches I provided him and stood on the basement stairs, crying. I planned to take him to the vet the next day for a check up, but my own cats started crying, freaking out and pawing at the door to the basement. They’re sensitive, snuggly cats and it pained me to see them so anxious. By midnight, basically everyone in the house was crying. My boyfriend (the only one not crying, despite the fact that I woke him up) explained that I could just let the stray out, and recapture him another day when the vet was open. I refused because he might be hit by a car, or he might impregnate another cat, or he might just be sad and alone.
“It’s not your job to save all the stray animals in the world,†he said.
“But if I don’t,†I said, “who will?â€
I seriously said that awful, maudlin thing, with more sincerity than I think I’ve ever said anything before. I think that everybody wants to believe that if they don’t help that cat, someone else will. But at some point, someone actually has to step up and do it.
I didn’t, though. I let the stray out and then laid in bed snuggling my cats, feeling like absolute shit for the rest of the night.
cf (irony, eh).
You know what I really hate? Half the population. You know the type: sometimes slightly larger than the other half of the population, often with shorter hair, fewer wombs, more penises. MEN, amiright? The worst! Let’s kill them all and institute a matriarchy-by-default, where we radical feminists can hang out, watch The View, and kiss each other with our forked tongues while scissoring. It’s going to be awesome!
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo.......SPACKlick wrote:Rebecca Watson, at convention, upon a coca bestrewn hotel room floor
Blood purity from alcohol less than one carat. Webs once woven across her lady-door
Now swab a concrete statue of a Cetacean’s Brow flung the night before.
For, crabs enact woe below and one crab won’t cease, leaving her clunge raw
Hangover pounding she Brews Ten Cacao beans though they stick in her maw
The carob case went down but sticks in her ceca. Worst bean pain, more than before
She rushes to A stone WC. Brace yourselves be aware. Cob scent will flood the room
And acne, two braces will form upon faces or it will bestow a cancer on the unsuspecting womb.
Beware con! Scat now pours down the stairs. The bowels of this cow beaten, scar and rheum
form on the lungs of revellers below. Attempts to screw abate. Con goers flee as the hall smells of a tomb.
On large host bemoans how much a wee bra can cost. On the face of this orca tween, scab and pusjule grow
Outside at the cabs, corneas wet from tears to clean from our eyes the pungent cat’s wee. Carbon copies of pain on show
Collective will now creates cabs in abundance, With Watson at lead, in her absence, car two’s driver’s eyes start to bleed
In cobra stance we fight to the fore, as our priviledged sect, war beacon in hand takes the last cab thanking our stars that we fleed
oh and also couldn’t use Scarab Once Wet or Arcane Webs Cot or Bacon Race Stew
I might try Steffy Zvan, but I can't spell her name.
Fuck off, the anagram stories are funny.Tony Parsehole wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo.......SPACKlick wrote:Rebecca Watson, at convention, upon a coca bestrewn hotel room floor
Blood purity from alcohol less than one carat. Webs once woven across her lady-door
Now swab a concrete statue of a Cetacean’s Brow flung the night before.
For, crabs enact woe below and one crab won’t cease, leaving her clunge raw
Hangover pounding she Brews Ten Cacao beans though they stick in her maw
The carob case went down but sticks in her ceca. Worst bean pain, more than before
She rushes to A stone WC. Brace yourselves be aware. Cob scent will flood the room
And acne, two braces will form upon faces or it will bestow a cancer on the unsuspecting womb.
Beware con! Scat now pours down the stairs. The bowels of this cow beaten, scar and rheum
form on the lungs of revellers below. Attempts to screw abate. Con goers flee as the hall smells of a tomb.
On large host bemoans how much a wee bra can cost. On the face of this orca tween, scab and pusjule grow
Outside at the cabs, corneas wet from tears to clean from our eyes the pungent cat’s wee. Carbon copies of pain on show
Collective will now creates cabs in abundance, With Watson at lead, in her absence, car two’s driver’s eyes start to bleed
In cobra stance we fight to the fore, as our priviledged sect, war beacon in hand takes the last cab thanking our stars that we fleed
oh and also couldn’t use Scarab Once Wet or Arcane Webs Cot or Bacon Race Stew
I might try Steffy Zvan, but I can't spell her name.
Please... No more anagram stories.
Are we about to split into anagramists and aanagramists?Metalogic42 wrote:Fuck off, the anagram stories are funny.Tony Parsehole wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo.......
Please... No more anagram stories.
You sound like the kind of person who doesn't like bread. I'm keeping an eye on you.TedDahlberg wrote:Are we about to split into anagramists and aanagramists?Metalogic42 wrote:Fuck off, the anagram stories are funny.Tony Parsehole wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo.......
Please... No more anagram stories.
Brought to you by the Wales tourist board.Skeptic_Duh wrote:Speaking of animal loving...
[youtube]HNMq8XS4LhE[/youtube]
Tony Parsehole wrote:OK.Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
Why are the names of those protestors published anyway?
What purpose does it serve?
Who benefits from it and how?
I'm also not understanding the comparison between a government putting people on a register for sex offences and some random, privately run website naming people and the city they live in for being knobs at a shitty protest.
Sorry, but even if you could be 100% certain that the names on the list are being correctly attributed to the right people (you can't be) I don't agree with it at all. There is an undertone of vigilantism to this regardless of how obnoxious those cunts were being.
I dunno but if the baboons don't do or say something hilarious/head-scratchingly-idiotic soon then we're going to tear each other apart.TedDahlberg wrote:Are we about to split into anagramists and aanagramists?Metalogic42 wrote:Fuck off, the anagram stories are funny.Tony Parsehole wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo.......
Please... No more anagram stories.
Submariner wrote:I think actually being in the physical proximity (meatspace) is necessary to call it violence. Although not restricted to meatspace by definition, it hardly seems violent typing on a keyboard. Although, some would argue that one can type words of such offense and violence as to be actionable under hate speech laws.welch wrote:
So then the next time someone here says really mean things about someone you dislike, like oh "Ophelia is a ragingly stupid cunt", you will of course consider that an act of violence against her via definition 3b, and of course, say something against it because violence is wrong, right?
My argument was this: If it's ok for the government to publish lists of "sex offenders" (which may include offenses unrelated to having sex with minors) and those government lists include actual street addresses and are not considered intimidation or calls for vigilantism, then why is it not ok for AVfM to post lists of people who have committed acts of misandry that does NOT include the actual street addresses, because it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism?
Her boyfriend, at the time, was twenty-three. He was a charming, gentle lad, who was dating a girl barely less than half his age, claimed to be a werewolf, and posted fantasies about killing people.In April of 2006 12 year old Jasmine Richardson lured her boyfriend into helping her murder her parents and her younger brother so that she could go live with him. Richardson was the mastermind of the crime. Police investigators uncovered internet communications between the couple that clearly identify her as the one who instigated the crimes. And it was Richardson, who, after hearing her eight year old brother plead, "I'm scared. I`m too young to die," plunged a knife into his chest. The boyfriend followed that by cutting the boys throat. The couple murdered her parents in another room of the house. In a follow up to this story, Richardson, who was sentenced to 10 years, is now out of prison after four years and in her freshman
I get a letter in the mail inviting me to see the list anytime someone is added to it. I don't think they mail me the address though, they mail me to remind me that the name and address is available at the town hall. And on that....many sex offenders on that list have trouble finding real homes to live at (shocking right?) so they stay at motels and such. Motels a few blocks away from my house. Awesome...now all the homeless sex offenders shack up together a few minutes walk from my house. Who is the government protecting really?Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
I did. You claimed that because they only list the name and a city, it's all okay, there's no danger at all from that. Can't possibly be intimidating, that information isn't good enough to find anyone. That's bullshit, because it makes actually finding them trivial. Fuck, if one of them moves, they make sure to update the list to reflect their NEW location. But even death isn't enough to get off that list. Funny how the updates only work one way.Submariner wrote:Wow, way to put words in my mouth. See above breakdown of my ACTUAL argument.welch wrote:Have you heard of the Internet? I mean, is this all new to you? Give me a name and a city, and in most countries, within 24 hours, maybe 48, I can have an AMAZING amount of personal information on you. You don't even have to be good at google, there are companies who will do this for you, and the fees are quite reasonable.Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
The idea that "oh, well, they aren't publishing addresses, just names and cities, so there's no way to track them down" is not only wrong, but you have to be completely fucking stupid to believe it.
For the same reason that publishing Ophelia's emails is a horrible crime, but when she does it, it's okey-dokey.AnotherLurkerMkII wrote:You are assuming that everyone is OK with sex offenders registers, which is a big stretch. But even so, government also has the rights to detain citizens, to print money, and to wage war for no good reason if the President wants to. I wouldn't trust AVfM or anyone else with any of those "rights".Submariner wrote:I think actually being in the physical proximity (meatspace) is necessary to call it violence. Although not restricted to meatspace by definition, it hardly seems violent typing on a keyboard. Although, some would argue that one can type words of such offense and violence as to be actionable under hate speech laws.welch wrote:
So then the next time someone here says really mean things about someone you dislike, like oh "Ophelia is a ragingly stupid cunt", you will of course consider that an act of violence against her via definition 3b, and of course, say something against it because violence is wrong, right?
My argument was this: If it's ok for the government to publish lists of "sex offenders" (which may include offenses unrelated to having sex with minors) and those government lists include actual street addresses and are not considered intimidation or calls for vigilantism, then why is it not ok for AVfM to post lists of people who have committed acts of misandry that does NOT include the actual street addresses, because it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism?
I mean, isn't doxxing a big no-no among the atheistic internet circle, no matter if they are slymers or peezers? So why would it be OK to give AVfM a free pass doing that?
More important question: At what point is anyone removed from the list? I mean, we've established death as being insufficient reason.Tony Parsehole wrote:OK.Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
Why are the names of those protestors published anyway?
What purpose does it serve?
Who benefits from it and how?
I'm also not understanding the comparison between a government putting people on a register for sex offences and some random, privately run website naming people and the city they live in for being knobs at a shitty protest.
Sorry, but even if you could be 100% certain that the names on the list are being correctly attributed to the right people (you can't be) I don't agree with it at all. There is an undertone of vigilantism to this regardless of how obnoxious those cunts were being.
What "way"?Lsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
I think the difference is that these people were participating in a public protest, attempted to disrupt an event and were arrested(?)for disturbing the peace. That's a lot different than Abbie or Mykeru saying something snarky about someone on a blog.decius wrote:Exactly so, and the analogy extends to the moral fibre on display.welch wrote: And it's not like dozing is better. Just look at how laden did it. No verification of accuracy, just childish gotcha games. If it's wrong for laden to do it, how is it right for AVfM to do it?
Pretty much. That law was a reaction to a really horrible crime, and people demanded the government DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.debaser71 wrote:I get a letter in the mail inviting me to see the list anytime someone is added to it. I don't think they mail me the address though, they mail me to remind me that the name and address is available at the town hall. And on that....many sex offenders on that list have trouble finding real homes to live at (shocking right?) so they stay at motels and such. Motels a few blocks away from my house. Awesome...now all the homeless sex offenders shack up together a few minutes walk from my house. Who is the government protecting really?Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
and if you were Washington, the rebels were brave freedom fighters, but if you were Cornwallis, they were terrorists and traitors. All depends on the POV. I think the protesters were stupid as a bag of hammers, but that list is designed to punish them and follow them all the days of their lives. That's a BIT fucking much.katamari Damassi wrote:I think the difference is that these people were participating in a public protest, attempted to disrupt an event and were arrested(?)for disturbing the peace. That's a lot different than Abbie or Mykeru saying something snarky about someone on a blog.decius wrote:Exactly so, and the analogy extends to the moral fibre on display.welch wrote: And it's not like dozing is better. Just look at how laden did it. No verification of accuracy, just childish gotcha games. If it's wrong for laden to do it, how is it right for AVfM to do it?
I used to work at a place to help mentally ill adults...anyway one homeless guy who went there got arrested for exposing himself because he was peeing behind some tree or something. Imagine that! A homeless person peeing somewhere not behind closed doors. And since he was then added to that list he could not be found a group home...he was pretty much permanently forced to be homeless. And good luck getting off any lists if you are a homeless mentally ill adult man convicted of a sex crime.welch wrote:Pretty much. That law was a reaction to a really horrible crime, and people demanded the government DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.debaser71 wrote:I get a letter in the mail inviting me to see the list anytime someone is added to it. I don't think they mail me the address though, they mail me to remind me that the name and address is available at the town hall. And on that....many sex offenders on that list have trouble finding real homes to live at (shocking right?) so they stay at motels and such. Motels a few blocks away from my house. Awesome...now all the homeless sex offenders shack up together a few minutes walk from my house. Who is the government protecting really?Submariner wrote:The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.
Awesome. We now have created a permanent homeless class of dangerous criminals (in the cases of actual pedophiles/sex offenders) and an oubliette for people who aren't anything like that at all, but visible genitalia was involved. Way to solve the problem.
This is a good point. No list should be maintained unless it is actually maintained because then it could be quite harmful.welch wrote:
You do get the difference between dozing someone, and maintaining a permanent enemies list, right? For example, let's say that someone on the list has a moment of "lord, I was dumb", and while not becoming an MRA, no longer thinks that MRAs should be denied basic civil rights. How would they go about getiting their name off the list? Is the list reviewed for accuracy?
Of course, she's a woman, therefore an evil witch who turn men into pigs - a fucking Circe.welch wrote:[
Now, let us allow for the fact that the reporting on this story is not 100% accurate, such things rarely are. However, seriously? A TWELVE YEAR OLD GIRL TALKED A TWENTY-THREE YEAR OLD MAN INTO MURDER? Even allowing for the fact that Jasmine was no sweet angel, I think, I just think that maybe a TWENTY-THREE YEAR OLD MAN should know better than to:
a) Be dating a fucking twelve-year-old
b) KILL PEOPLE
Yet as far as that list plays it out, it was all her. She's the next fucking manson if you believe the tripe on that list. That's the quality of that list?
And check this out: she served her sentence. She was released. Agree or not with the length of the sentence, she has served the fucking time she was required to, yet AVfM will make sure that she is followed and hounded out forever, always making sure to let everyone know what the evil bitch did to sweet widdle jiwemmee:
I thought it took a haystack, a lovesick girl, some Beatles albums, a bottle of red and twenty years to make a straw man but you did it in one post.cunt wrote:He'll be listed on AVoiceForMen, then? He's not going to get away with this.....On whether or not it's violence
I looked into the videos. Here's what I came up with:
(1) (at 1:00 Man shoves door into person who has just entered?)
______________________________________________________________/
http://i.imgur.com/dEbdYjV.jpg
Actually, Cunt did give them a pass. He presented the protesters as having simply attended a men's rights event, or simply protested against men's rights, when their actions were so much more intimidating than the intimidation he appears to take umbrage with regarding the list. Cunt claims the implied intimidation created by the list is a problem, but seems to have no problem with the overt intimidation and provocation presented by the protesters against the attendee's, based on how benign he chooses to portray them in such comments as:welp wrote:No one gave a pass to the protesters, ...
and viewtopic.php?p=63961#p63961It has no real power, as in it can't actually order somebody to go track these people down? Well its just sunshine and lollipops then, obviously. Intimidation doesn't work that way, and its not just focused on the people who are already on the site. Its existence says, that if you protest us, we put your name and face up here. So you don't fucking say anything.
There's no double standard, unless you're okay with someone taking photos of you at a mens rights event, finding out your name and occupation and posting it all on a radfemhub wiki. Right under the banner - Misogynist. That'd also be fair, right?
Who said anything about "having" to? That AVfM choose to is something else entirely from "having to".welp wrote: but the fact that the cops weren't doing their jobs is not the same as "we'll if they won't, we have to"
I don't disagree with this, and I am uncertain that AVfM has done anything of the sort. But saying you need to accept the consequences of your actions, and suggesting those consequences were the intent to begin with, are two entirely different things. Cunt has labeled it an "enemies list". Someone else (may have been you) has labeled it a "hit list". These imply the purpose of the list is for use by someone violent to choose a target.welp wrote:Well, it is a bad idea in general, and if you're going to do that, then accept you may inspire something you didn't want to happen.
To me, it's insulting to men. You mean men discriminate against women in the workplace and beat them up at home! Bad bad bad men. Oh and btw, PROVIDE! and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!katamari Damassi wrote:Over at Shakesville they're seething over a part of Obama's State of the Union Address. Why are they angry? Because of this statement: "We know our economy is stronger when our wives, mothers, and daughters can live their lives free from discrimination in the workplace, and free from the fear of domestic violence."
You see, it addresses men, and reduces women to their relationships. Never mind that the message was primarily aimed at men who need to be convinced of that in order to make progress on those issues. Intent isn't magic!
Nobody. I don't make the list. I have even stated I disagree with it. I just also disagree with cunts portrayal of it. But likewise, who appointed cunt as judge over AVfM? Again, nobody, but he's done so anyways. Are you suggesting that people don't have a right to attempt to hold others accountable for their words and actions (so long as those attempts don't violate the law) (and if so, what's the point of this board again?)? Why is AVfM's list not allowed to be their own form of peaceful protest against the people on it? If that protest turns violent, then it's a different story, but the same could easily be said of the UofT protest as well.decius wrote:And who the fuck appointed you to the role of "punisher"? You think like a mobster. Disgusting.Mark Neil wrote: Regardless, be it violence or intimidation, I'm curious why you feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime?
This forum is fuckin excellent, and to me, it looks like it's going from strength to strength. I mean, if the 'way' is irritating the fuck out of the baboons and getting a good few lulz out of it too, I'd say it wasn't losing it - quite the opposite.Philip of Tealand wrote:It is completely up to you but I must say, this is one of the best forums I've ever posted on and I'd be very sorry to see it goLsuoma wrote:Folks, someone upthread said the Pit is losing its way, and I gave say I'm not seeing the energy and wit I used to.
I'm considering calling it a day and filling it in: I'll think about it for a few days and get back to y'all over the weekend.
Poor phrasing on my part. I clarified a few posts later. It just seems that, unfortunately, people would probably have less trouble listing men as potentially violent, than women, due to women being viewed as the victim class.decius wrote:It doesn't seem reasonable at all, why should it?another lurker wrote:I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:
What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?
If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?
Mark Neil wrote: Nobody. I don't make the list. I have even stated I disagree with it. I just also disagree with cunts portrayal of it. But likewise, who appointed cunt as judge over AVfM? Again, nobody, but he's done so anyways. Are you suggesting that people don't have a right to attempt to hold others accountable for their words and actions (so long as those attempts don't violate the law) (and if so, what's the point of this board again?)? Why is AVfM's list not allowed to be their own form of peaceful protest against the people on it? If that protest turns violent, then it's a different story, but the same could easily be said of the UofT protest as well.
I saw it. She's pretty awesome!EdwardGemmer wrote:Anyone see Fawzi Koofia on the Daily Show? She's running for president of Afghanistan and has survived several assassination attempts. Pretty amazing.
Do they? How so? If someone is assaulted by someone else who saw their name on the list, how is the government held accountable? And if it could be proven in a court that AVfM's list contributed to someones alsault, are you seriously suggesting AVfM could not be held legally accountable? Because, of the two lists, I would think AVfM is the one who has more accountability here. And yes, the government has reasons for putting people on that list, But so does AVfM, if somewhat more trivial). The difference is, the government has some authority that suggests that someone on that list deserves to be there (and the numerous 15 year old boys who committed the crime of having consensual sex with their 15 year old girlfriends, who aren't on that list, would likely contest that point), which is something AVfM doesn't have, but that works both ways, it means AVfM's list can easily be dismissed by those who don't agree with someone being placed on it. Lastly, as to getting your name off the sex offenders list, it's damn near impossible to meat the requirements to do so.welch wrote:Because the government has *accountability*. It has to, even just theoretically, have actual reasons for those lists, and there are actual ways to REMOVE your name from that list.
Because nobody is allowed to "judge" anyone by criticizing them. Did you hear that, Ophelia? The Slymepit will leave you alone because it can't "judge" you by a lack of authority to do so.Mark Neil wrote:Nobody. I don't make the list. I have even stated I disagree with it. I just also disagree with cunts portrayal of it. But likewise, who appointed cunt as judge over AVfM? Again, nobody, but he's done so anyways. Are you suggesting that people don't have a right to attempt to hold others accountable for their words and actions (so long as those attempts don't violate the law) (and if so, what's the point of this board again?)? Why is AVfM's list not allowed to be their own form of peaceful protest against the people on it? If that protest turns violent, then it's a different story, but the same could easily be said of the UofT protest as well.decius wrote:And who the fuck appointed you to the role of "punisher"? You think like a mobster. Disgusting.Mark Neil wrote: Regardless, be it violence or intimidation, I'm curious why you feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime?
For some reason that caused a massive LOLZ in me, even though it's not really funny.welch wrote:I think, I just think that maybe a TWENTY-THREE YEAR OLD MAN should know better than to:
a) Be dating a fucking twelve-year-old
b) KILL PEOPLE
