Bunkspubble!

[AnonymousCowherd]

http://www.studiondr.com/wp-content/web ... ars125.jpg

The best thing about Valentine's day is that Feb 14 is the day that this "esprit" of courtly love died. Doesn't quite fit the hype.

[Dan]

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush

But, apparently, it makes repeat.

I don't know how that happened sorry

[AnonymousCowherd]

Israely bread is craptastic...

That topic is getting old. Let's piss on some French croissant.

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 2523,d.dGY

:hankey:

It's only the best bread if yer dog shat in yer tucker box and ruined everything else.

[Dan]

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush

But, apparently, it makes repeat.

I don't know how that happened sorry

[Michael K Gray]

Obviously good old Aussie Damper is the best bread. Eat it and you wont shit for days which is handy if you don't like shitting in the bush

But, apparently, it makes repeat.

I don't know how that happened sorry

Damper does that to you...

[Michael K Gray]

A great idea that Beccy can make money from:
Dancing Guide-dogs!
Dogs that trail their blind owners around the disco floor doing break moves and everything.
Weimaraner Waltzers.
Labrador Limbo Leaders.

The commercial potential is literally endfull.

Wassabet it is next year's reality TV sensation after the execs at the Beeb read this?

[SPACKlick]

Ophelia Benson
anagram
A Noble Penis Ho

Thanks. I burst out laughing in the middle of a coffee shop, and couldn't stop.

Well She's also a pensionable ho, and if she keeps driving away men she'll have alone hip bones, avoiding overuse of toys to avoid getting baleen hip soon, will leave her dried up and requiring the old banshee loin op. When that goes wrong she'll cry out with a plebeian's 'Oh No' and realise' "I'll be unable to enjoy the beanpole I nosh. This time away from blogging means she'll have to hop on baseline and beg for shoevlogs again. When people complain, she'll want to dig dirt and every interaction will begin Hi, enable snoop!. Sick of celibacy she could become a no hope lesbian, desperate for attention she'd open "Hon Abseil" to draw the ladies. Realising she'd lost her position she'd have to Bale on phonies and slowly abolish one pen of those morons after another until only one is left. Her final act being Banish ole peon PZ from her life and ride into the sunset on albino sheep

Next post, greg laden anagrams, anagrams are fun

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Gregn Lead

Ok, I suck at anagrams...

[DownThunder]

Eh. My memory of damper is making small charcoaled turds during school camping trips.

Another novelty is the whole-animal-buried-in-hot coals dinner.

[Lurkion]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

[AnonymousCowherd]

I find the AVFM hit list to be rather pathetic.

It is basically a private version of a sex offender registry - although in this case it's more of a gender offender registry.

Whatever the merits or problems with having a government run sex offender registry, at least it is run by an accountable authority.
I think it should be obvious why it is going to be inherently problematic if a non-acccountable organization tries to produce it's own registry.
For example, what are the guarantees that the correct information is on the site?
It is easy to get the information wrong, just look at Laden and Mykeru's ex-wife, or the various mistaken attempts to doxx ElevatorGate.

The target for AVFM should not be the protesters - it should be the law enforcement who failed to protect the rights to free speech.
There will always be more protesters. That is not the issue. The issue is whether they are allowed to succeed in stopping free speech due to the inactivity of the security on campus.

If, as Elam suggests, the test of the legitimacy of the "hit list" is that no-one has suffered any violence as a result, what happens if someone does suffer such violence? Especially given the broad definition of "violence" some folks are using? If someone says "I saw the name on AVfM so I wouldn't let her in the door no matter how hard she pushed", or "She was on AVfM, so when she passionately recited Chicken Town, I shouted in her face " - what is the response?

[youtube]OGWhjojt5dw[/youtube]

[SPACKlick]

One morning as Greg Laden Gargled en route to the bathroom, to apply the danger gel he uses to return some hair growth he hopes, with grand glee will win back some respect from his gang elder. He spots a new entry in his nag ledger. He, realising it was written by Glen, raged and ran, legged it full pelt to his computer. Consulting his gag lender to borrow some witticisms in order to, with anger, geld glen on the internet. Taking advice only from those of the Gal gender, his crowd of nagger led minions [who don’t believe the “on the rag” legend ], sought to grade glen and named him the L.A. Nerd Egg. Further mocking was provided by videos of fans walking like glen all posted under the heading RE: Glen Gad. Greg himself was injured in the garden leg of his gad about. Denied of his range geld using internet points, Laden attacked full force in the press. La nerd egg ran, lef by the pyt’s own rower, ”Erg Gal”. End

Ok, unless there are direct requests, I'll stop with the anagrams.

[AndrewV69]

AVfM has an amazing ability to publish the shitties arguments ever. I'm pretty sure they also (sometimes) publish good stuff but everytime I click on a random article, I groan. Loudly. FUCKING LOUDLY I say.

Hahahaha! Do do realize that the solution is to not go there?

And on and on it rambles. And gee, I didn't know marriage was more of a shackle to men than women.

One of the things the MRM is trying to do, is raise the awareness of men and tell them they are not obligated to become a slave to some woman.

We are pointing out to men, that a substantial fraction of women who own a man, treat them worse than dogs, and will not even give them enough fucking to keep them pacified.

Slowly but surely, more and more men are awakening to the idea that they are a human being in their own right, and they should not just blindly accept the social construct which reduces the average man to little more than a pack mule for his wife owner, but instead should explore their own potential and live life to the fullest.

Why do you think so many femtheists are up in arms? It is not because they really believe these uppity men are misogynists, but because they know that if enough men escape the plantation, bang goes their easy living and they might actually have to start working for a living.

No more jetting around to conferences exchanging tips on how how to appear to be so terribly terribly oppressed, while swilling free booze and fattening foods for one.

Someone should tell that to those Pakistani women married to some guy with three other women. A guy who may murder them if he catches them talking to a stranger. Yep. No shackle to the women. Only the men. And I'm not even past the first sentence that this idiot wrote.

Oh we are talking about Pakistan? Well the UK government put a halt to the number of women who could escape that environment simply by enslaving some hapless man in the UK already struggling to make ends meet.

New immigration clampdown demands £20,000 salary for Brits to marry a foreigner
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... igner.html

British citizens who marry foreigners will have to earn at least £20,000 a year if they want to set up their family home in the UK under a new immigration clampdown.

Which means Muslim men on the lower socioeconomic scale can now and in the future look forward to being owned by only two or so women instead of four.

But the UK has managed to find some way to help them out anyway. Notice the men are blamed? The reality is the women have this man working pretty much all his waking hours.

Do they care? Nope! Just shameless victim blaming for this poor slave owned by two, three and up to four women!

The truth about polygamy: A special investigation into how Muslim men can exploit the benefits system
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ystem.html

The social workers said the multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children.

Controversially, it means that a man can take a new spouse (from anywhere in the world), sire any number of children with her, and yet have no responsibility for this family’s upkeep or care.

But these men are "invisible" to the "quality" women who have a taste for the finer things in life, so they are forced to settle. Do they desire to import some luckless slave from Pakistan? Nope! Heavens forbid such a notion. They would rather share just like their low class sisters, sistern? (is that even a word?) Whatever.
High-flying Muslim career women willing to 'share husbands' because of a lack of suitable men
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-men.html

Muslim career women in Britain are choosing to become involved in polygamous relationships because of a lack of suitable men.

Some of them even choosing to become second or third wives to married men, according to the Islamic Sharia Council.

(You know, this redefining of reality to whatever I feel like at the moment is fun. I should thank the baboons for showing me how to do this. I wonder, is it habit forming?)

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

AFAIC, this video makes want to punch my desk. In the cunt.

[Michael K Gray]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

AFAIC, this video makes want to punch my desk. In the cunt.

It starts a bit like that astonishingly good Björk video, and just progressively drops off a cliff into a spectacular abyss of disappointment.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I accidently a pronoun.

[AndrewV69]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

cunt went offline. Perhaps on the morrow? I doubt he was impressed though. Our cunt has what you might call staying power.
:popcorn:

[Gumby]

Woops. Nevermind. It was the "I" account, not the actual Slymepit account. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I fucking hate accounts like that (parody and other crappy types).

I feel the exact same way. Most parody accounts are just flat-out stupid, and I always end up blocking them when they try to follow me. Last thing I need is some unfunny retard with a lame Ophelia "parody" account following me. Seems like these fart-joke-level morons don't even understand that parody is supposed to be clever and humorous.

The actual @Slymepit account is mine, but I only created it so no FTB idiots would grab it.

[Reap]

Reep, I enjoyed your podcast with Paul Elam of AVfM. I did not agree with everything he said but he came over as a lot more honest, open and thoughtful than someone like PZ who has simply shut his mind down to anything he has pre dismissed.

People have to set up bogeymen to help justify their idealism. In this day and age it is trivial to check claims and see them as the straw-men that they are. So if someone says 'All MRA's are misogynist' I just consider them intellectually lazy and ill informed. Because I check these things for myself. I would take them more seriously if they stopped using stupid propaganda and smears and have a proper and open debate. Then there might be some real progress in advancing everyone rights, men and women.

Thanks Jack. I think the most important thing is Paul invites people to check things out for themselves, examine both sides, and then form an opinion. There is a reason why some people only want you to hear one side. PZ and his claims about the slymepit are a perfect example

[AndrewV69]

I accidently a pronoun.

You slay me... I actually barked out loud.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

Oh, I doubt that posting "just the facts, ma'am" was responsible.

I remain to be pursuaded either way on the AVfM list. It is a bit juvenile, but I don't see the equivalence with other on-line "hit lists" as it just makes them look spiteful, rather than full-on malicious. On the other hand, just because "you and yer mates" wouldn't do anything nasty because of the posting, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't, so will you accept responsibility if something nasty does happen, irrespective of any intent on your part? I'm (sort of) waiting for a response on that.

Does the demo justify the list? Borderline. I don't always accept the legal definition of violence*, but the actions at the demo fall short of ABH or GBH even if they might get up as Common Assault. If the cops could be bothered, and maybe they should have been, but for a likely warning or small fine, why would they? So does a minor offence (at best, and unproven) justify a bit of pay-back. If they are "public figures", yes, so I guess we then argue about what is a public figure. If the are a judge or a legislator, OK, but a stupid hot-head undergrad? I'd cut them some more slack if they'd only done this once. If they make a habit of it, I guess they know what to expect.

*(or assault - I mean, in Victoria, in theory you can be charged with assault for opening the curtins and letting light fall on someone's clothes, even if they aren't wearing them. Really. I know, the cops would have buckly's getting that up in Court, but that's nothing do do with the "legal" - in the sense of legislative definition.)

[UnbelieveSteve]

One morning as Greg Laden Gargled en route to the bathroom, to apply the danger gel he uses to return some hair growth he. . . .

Ok, unless there are direct requests, I'll stop with the anagrams.

:lol: you funny, you a noble penis ho?

[Michael K Gray]

I accidently a pronoun.

Here: have one for free-
Xzhe

[AnonymousCowherd]

One morning as Greg Laden Gargled en route to the bathroom, to apply the danger gel he uses to return some hair growth he hopes, with grand glee will win back some respect from his gang elder. He spots a new entry in his nag ledger. He, realising it was written by Glen, raged and ran, legged it full pelt to his computer. Consulting his gag lender to borrow some witticisms in order to, with anger, geld glen on the internet. Taking advice only from those of the Gal gender, his crowd of nagger led minions [who don’t believe the “on the rag” legend ], sought to grade glen and named him the L.A. Nerd Egg. Further mocking was provided by videos of fans walking like glen all posted under the heading RE: Glen Gad. Greg himself was injured in the garden leg of his gad about. Denied of his range geld using internet points, Laden attacked full force in the press. La nerd egg ran, lef by the pyt’s own rower, ”Erg Gal”. End

Ok, unless there are direct requests, I'll stop with the anagrams.

I'm directly requesting that you don't stop.

[Gumby]

Physically baracading the doors, preventing people from entering, delaying the event by an hour or so until the police were called in to remove them by force (because they refused to move), is more than just flipping of the police and making oink oink noises. Your misrepresenting the events is becoming rather troublesome. I find it particularly odd that you seem to equate putting someones name on a website as violence, yet blocking people from entering a building, chasing people around and mercilessly calling them scum, simply for being there to attend, and needing to be physically moved by law enforcement, all that is perfectly OK with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you one of those SJWs?

You'll have to forgive cunt. After all, he lives in a land where sports spectators riot and beat each other to death because one group of men in faggy shorts didn't kick a stupid little ball around quite as well as another group of men in faggy shorts.

[Michael K Gray]

One morning as Greg Laden Gargled en route to the bathroom, to apply the danger gel he uses to return some hair growth he. . . .

Ok, unless there are direct requests, I'll stop with the anagrams.

:lol: you funny, you a noble penis ho?

What? From someone called Scalp Kick?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I accidently a pronoun.

Here: have one for free-
Xzhe

Thanks but no thanks. I'm allergic.

(for hours, I tell you!)

[Gumby]

Anyone know much about @siymepit and @slymepit?

I set up @slymepit months ago. Basically I just reserved it for future use for us if we wanted an official Slymepit twitter presence. I totally forgot about it until now.

@siymepit with an (i) was doing the rounds today following the usual suspects. It lasted about siz hours and now its suspended.
It's good to see the genuine @slymepit is owned by a pit member.
(following now)

Hopefully @siymepit will stay suspended... whoever set it up is a moron.

I've made all of three tweets with @slymepit, two of which I made accidentally assuming I was under my regular account. If someone who wants to use it wants the account, message me. I don't need it. Maybe it can be a group account.

[TheMan]

Physically baracading the doors, preventing people from entering, delaying the event by an hour or so until the police were called in to remove them by force (because they refused to move), is more than just flipping of the police and making oink oink noises. Your misrepresenting the events is becoming rather troublesome. I find it particularly odd that you seem to equate putting someones name on a website as violence, yet blocking people from entering a building, chasing people around and mercilessly calling them scum, simply for being there to attend, and needing to be physically moved by law enforcement, all that is perfectly OK with you? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you one of those SJWs?

You'll have to forgive cunt. After all, he lives in a land where sports spectators riot and beat each other to death because one group of men in faggy shorts didn't kick a stupid little ball around quite as well as another group of men in faggy shorts.

Don't they have Firms in the US of A or do they throw hot dogs and twinkies at each other?

[Lurkion]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

Oh, I doubt that posting "just the facts, ma'am" was responsible.

I remain to be pursuaded either way on the AVfM list. It is a bit juvenile, but I don't see the equivalence with other on-line "hit lists" as it just makes them look spiteful, rather than full-on malicious. On the other hand, just because "you and yer mates" wouldn't do anything nasty because of the posting, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't, so will you accept responsibility if something nasty does happen, irrespective of any intent on your part? I'm (sort of) waiting for a response on that.

Does the demo justify the list? Borderline. I don't always accept the legal definition of violence*, but the actions at the demo fall short of ABH or GBH even if they might get up as Common Assault. If the cops could be bothered, and maybe they should have been, but for a likely warning or small fine, why would they? So does a minor offence (at best, and unproven) justify a bit of pay-back. If they are "public figures", yes, so I guess we then argue about what is a public figure. If the are a judge or a legislator, OK, but a stupid hot-head undergrad? I'd cut them some more slack if they'd only done this once. If they make a habit of it, I guess they know what to expect.

*(or assault - I mean, in Victoria, in theory you can be charged with assault for opening the curtins and letting light fall on someone's clothes, even if they aren't wearing them. Really. I know, the cops would have buckly's getting that up in Court, but that's nothing do do with the "legal" - in the sense of legislative definition.)

How do we know if they do this more than once without knowing who they are?

Look. I wouldn't have posted the list. I don't think there is a great reason to do it, but I don't oppose it. It seems like a legitimate way of dealing with it, even if it doesn't achieve much. Maybe it will make them reconsider their positions if their appalling behaviour (which is more than just expressing opinions, but physically interfering with people) is publicly associated with their name - particularly the violence when the police tried to move them.

[Submariner]

The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.

[Reap]

Oh really, is it full of real names and general locations? No? Then stfu.

It has enough of my real name so that I have to defend myself from members of my local group who think maybe I'm a racist /sexist because they read it on PZ's blog (more than once) that is if they have the nerve to even talk to such a ranting asshole. I know that it isn't the end of the world and I'm not gonna say it has a profound effect on my life but that fuck still doesn't have the right and he has no way of knowing exactly what kind of effect it may have on a person's real life. And his accusations are 100% made-up bullshit in my case(except the ranting part..maybe)
I didn't ask Paul about the list because the podcast format isn't to call people out, it's to hear their side. I don't have them on to debate me. I have another show for that.. I'm sure Paul would answer any questions you have about the list and probably listen to your concerns if my experience is any indication. I' m gonna STFU and go learn some more about this list instead of talking out my ass about things I don't know anything about.

[BarnOwl]

Did I just post facts about the videos at the Farrell protest and thereby bore everyone into no longer talking about it?

I don't get it.

I hope all y'all are in bed or something.

No, it was boring from the get-go.

What kind of bread should I make tonight?

a) Multigrain with barley and oats

b) Wholewheat Irish soda

c) Buttermilk cornbread

d) Anadama

[TedDahlberg]

@BarnOwl
I see one of your long lost relatives has turned up!

[AnonymousCowherd]

How do we know if they do this more than once without knowing who they are?

Look. I wouldn't have posted the list. I don't think there is a great reason to do it, but I don't oppose it. It seems like a legitimate way of dealing with it, even if it doesn't achieve much. Maybe it will make them reconsider their positions if their appalling behaviour (which is more than just expressing opinions, but physically interfering with people) is publicly associated with their name - particularly the violence when the police tried to move them.

If you want to keep the list to track cetain people, OK, but do the public need that list (at least until there are repeat offenders, if that's the criterion)?

No, I wouldn't have posted the list either. It does cost them some of the high moral ground. How much is for them to calculate. If "naming and shaming" is the intent, then that is the only distiction from others who really wouldn't mind a bit of stochastic terrorism from posting a similar list and, while intent does matter, AVfM shouldn't be surprised if the uncommitted onlooker sees more similarity in the behaviour than difference in the (expressed) intent. I'm happy to condemn the behaviour of the jerks at the demo but, as you say, the list may do little to restrain them in future, so why bother? Why risk the backlash if someone does get hurt? Anyway, it's not my call.

FWIW to the extent that the mens rights people strive for egalitarian principles, they make some very telling points. That critique, though, goes into the queue with all the other sorely needed social reforms, including those actually needed by women*. I wish them all the best of luck.

*As distinct from "demanded by Radfems for teh wimminz"

[AnonymousCowherd]

Crap. spelin fale. I'm not even going to start with my typos in that last post. Shouldn't post while watching John Cooper Clarke videos (even watered down ones - bah! - the word "bloody" does not appear in Evidently Chicken Town no matter what that video I posted says... grrr)

[AnonymousCowherd]

@BarnOwl
I see one of your long lost relatives has turned up!

How cool are owls. That is not a question.

I see from that article's links that even "ancient owl vomit" is useful. More than I can say for my ancient vomit.

[welch]

Again I'll ask, what the fuck is wrong with you?

He appears to know what the word "violence" actually means!
Whereas you conflate it with simply blocking doorways.
Dunno how you cope with all that violence, I tell thee.

Yeah. By that notion, MLK was a horribly violent guy who advocated violent protest. HE MADE THE COPS PHYSICALLY REMOVE PEOPLE!!!!

It's like when all those evil people were threatening the cops at UC by sitting there and not moving. What else could the cops do but pepper-spray them! OMG SUCH VIOLENT PROTEST!!!

[Scented Nectar]

Got any kittehs, Jim?

I've got a couple:
http://i.imgur.com/CMJ5G1y.jpg

Is that Rebecca? If so, she just jumped up quite a lot in my esteem. I am of the mind that anyone caring for pets can't be a total asshole. I'm biased, like that.

Yes, that is Watson.
But my feeble memory is nagging at me that she was once put in charge with cat-sitting, and locked them screaming in a basement out of frustration whilst she went to "work".
Perhaps SN remembers this?
In any case, such a narcissistic parasite as Beccy should not be allowed to keep any form of sentient being.

Fuck, what a nasty bitch! I didn't know about that. I hope she has no cats or any other animals of her own. She'd probably forget to feed and give them water whenever she's binge drinking. Plus of course, she'd just lock them away and forget them. Probably until their bodies have mummified. I also hope she never has kids.

I am semi-confident that Scented Nectar remarked upon it at the time.
Why don't I have a horde of les mignons, indoctrinated to do my tedious work for me?
Perhaps I should become an Ass Prof of Fish-Murdering at the Uni of Woolloomooloo, Bruce?

My memory is often crappy at random. Once in a while, I'll read comments I wrote just a few weeks earlier sometimes and think, "what? when did I write that?". So, I really don't know if I did say something. Although, something as bad as animal cruelty, or even the dislike of animals that would display, seems like one I would remember. Like Phil, I place people like that on the lowest rung in my opinion of them.

And as for PZ, it makes me wonder. Does he have his classes do live (=torture) dissections on various fish and other animals? Or does he minimize harm by showing videos of such dissections (where only one animal gets hurt)? He said once that as a child, he loved to play with roadkill and examine their innards. I wonder if he ever intentionally killed any animals as a kid too.

[welch]

No, just establishing that logic one would reject from a small child is a pillar of AVfM.

Ummm.

I do not speak for AVfM. What I said was my view. If you have an issue with that, then my view is your target.

If a justification for keeping a PERMANENT list of enemies is "well, they do worse things/bad things too" then regardless of source, that's moronic. And in the post I replied to, you did a pretty good job of acting as if you were speaking for AVfM. Make up your mind there.

[welch]

Again I'll ask, what the fuck is wrong with you?

He appears to know what the word "violence" actually means!
Whereas you conflate it with simply blocking doorways.
Dunno how you cope with all that violence, I tell thee.

vi·o·lence
noun \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Definition of VIOLENCE
1
a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house)
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2
: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3
a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling


Seems to meet at least one of these definitions.

So in that case, we have now decided that "not leaping to obey a cop's orders" is "violent protest"??

[Scented Nectar]

Dante, Dante really?!? You, sir, are no gentleman!

SN would be most welcome to provide such as has been revealed. Once she wakes up, I guess.

Early mornings at the Pit are some of the loveliest times. No Merkins, except the heavily drunk ones. Guess that makes them honorary Europeans...

I'm kind of awake. Have had my usual morning coffee:

[youtube]kU6VtX_GKsU[/youtube]

Well, almost the same. I'm out of beans and used some pre-ground dark roast. Also, I've stopped using a drip cloth under the cup. I now use a folded paper towel instead and just throw it away each day. The last cloth I used wasn't fully drying out between uses and developed a bit of mildew (of all things!) and the icky smell that goes with that. So, it's paper tower from now on. That grossed me out, so no more cloths.

[Scented Nectar]

One morning as Greg Laden Gargled en route to the bathroom, to apply the danger gel he uses to return some hair growth he hopes, with grand glee will win back some respect from his gang elder. He spots a new entry in his nag ledger. He, realising it was written by Glen, raged and ran, legged it full pelt to his computer. Consulting his gag lender to borrow some witticisms in order to, with anger, geld glen on the internet. Taking advice only from those of the Gal gender, his crowd of nagger led minions [who don’t believe the “on the rag” legend ], sought to grade glen and named him the L.A. Nerd Egg. Further mocking was provided by videos of fans walking like glen all posted under the heading RE: Glen Gad. Greg himself was injured in the garden leg of his gad about. Denied of his range geld using internet points, Laden attacked full force in the press. La nerd egg ran, lef by the pyt’s own rower, ”Erg Gal”. End

Ok, unless there are direct requests, I'll stop with the anagrams.

Bravo! I have no requests, but I hope someone else does. :)

[welch]

Again I'll ask, what the fuck is wrong with you?

He appears to know what the word "violence" actually means!
Whereas you conflate it with simply blocking doorways.
Dunno how you cope with all that violence, I tell thee.

vi·o·lence
noun \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Definition of VIOLENCE
1
a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house)
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2
: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3
a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm>
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling


Seems to meet at least one of these definitions.

Which one, pray tell?

2 and 3b

I thought they taught reading comprehension in Oz.

So then the next time someone here says really mean things about someone you dislike, like oh "Ophelia is a ragingly stupid cunt", you will of course consider that an act of violence against her via definition 3b, and of course, say something against it because violence is wrong, right?

[welch]

I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:

What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?

If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?

You do get the difference between dozing someone, and maintaining a permanent enemies list, right? For example, let's say that someone on the list has a moment of "lord, I was dumb", and while not becoming an MRA, no longer thinks that MRAs should be denied basic civil rights. How would they go about getiting their name off the list? Is the list reviewed for accuracy?

Enemies lists are bad regardless of who maintains them, and anyone insisting they aren't a form of intimidation needs to stop lying, both to themselves and others.

Although I'd definitely categorize the dungeon as an enemies list.

[welch]

I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:

What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?

If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?

Most vigilante actions skate a very fine line between achieving nothing, and precipitating unrecoverable disaster for someone and their family.
There is no "in between".
Neither goals are worthwhile.

If they are breaking the law, then urge the authorities to take action.

And it's not like dozing is better. Just look at how laden did it. No verification of accuracy, just childish gotcha games. If it's wrong for laden to do it, how is it right for AVfM to do it?

[BarnOwl]

@BarnOwl
I see one of your long lost relatives has turned up!

Squeeee!!!

Owls are awesome. There's a Great-horned Owl that likes to hang out on the roof of my neighbor's house early in the morning - if I imitate its call, it will respond and hoot back.

I'm well on my way to becoming a crazy old owl lady, aren't I? :D

[AnonymousCowherd]

A few months ago, there was a very friendly stray cat hanging around our house. I told my neighbors that if he came within grabbing distance, that I’d take him. My neighbor pounded on my door at 11pm, holding a wiggling, crying cat. She pushed him through the door to me, and I took him to the basement and set him up with food and blankets and water, trying to be quiet because my boyfriend was sleeping. The stray mostly ignored the array of riches I provided him and stood on the basement stairs, crying. I planned to take him to the vet the next day for a check up, but my own cats started crying, freaking out and pawing at the door to the basement. They’re sensitive, snuggly cats and it pained me to see them so anxious. By midnight, basically everyone in the house was crying. My boyfriend (the only one not crying, despite the fact that I woke him up) explained that I could just let the stray out, and recapture him another day when the vet was open. I refused because he might be hit by a car, or he might impregnate another cat, or he might just be sad and alone.

“It’s not your job to save all the stray animals in the world,” he said.

“But if I don’t,” I said, “who will?”

I seriously said that awful, maudlin thing, with more sincerity than I think I’ve ever said anything before. I think that everybody wants to believe that if they don’t help that cat, someone else will. But at some point, someone actually has to step up and do it.

I didn’t, though. I let the stray out and then laid in bed snuggling my cats, feeling like absolute shit for the rest of the night.

http://skepchick.org/2012/09/misandry-a-how-to/

cf (irony, eh).

You know what I really hate? Half the population. You know the type: sometimes slightly larger than the other half of the population, often with shorter hair, fewer wombs, more penises. MEN, amiright? The worst! Let’s kill them all and institute a matriarchy-by-default, where we radical feminists can hang out, watch The View, and kiss each other with our forked tongues while scissoring. It’s going to be awesome!

[welch]

I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:

What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?

If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?

Most vigilante actions skate a very fine line between achieving nothing, and precipitating unrecoverable disaster for someone and their family.
There is no "in between".
Neither goals are worthwhile.

If they are breaking the law, then urge the authorities to take action.

Part of the problem is the authorities can't/won't take action. One person was arrested at that protest... a man (he was with the feminists, but was still a man). Part of the problem is the same problem we're having with the A+ crowd, any holding them accountable for their actions is played off as victimizing them, and arresting those feminist protesters would have easily resulted in a feminist backlash of women's rights being trampled on. This is in part due to the manufactured perception that men are violent and women are angles. I believe the registry is an attempt to address this second part, by showing just how not angles they can be. That said, I will repeat myself from earlier, I don't agree with the registry, I think it's childish. But I also think that Cunt's portraying it as an "enemies list" complete with an implication of intent to have it result in putting people in the hospital, especially while given a pass to the protesters who, themselves were far closer to outright intimidation and violence than the registry could ever be, is ridiculous and demonstrative of the very problems listed above.

No one gave a pass to the protesters, but the fact that the cops weren't doing their jobs is not the same as "we'll if they won't, we have to"

And here's the problem with public lists like that: you do bear some responsibility for what someone else does with your "list of bad people". Ask the SPLC who had someone who wanted to kill some homophobes use their list of hate groups as a guideline. It is fair to assign the SPLC some blame in that since they had created a list of bad, hateful groups, something that when the right wing does it, ala bill Donohue, it is such a baaaaad thing.

Well, it is a bad idea in general, and if you're going to do that, then accept you may inspire something you didn't want to happen.

[decius]

Regardless, be it violence or intimidation, I'm curious why you feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime?

And who the fuck appointed you to the role of "punisher"? You think like a mobster. Disgusting.

[welch]

I find the AVFM hit list to be rather pathetic.

It is basically a private version of a sex offender registry - although in this case it's more of a gender offender registry.

Whatever the merits or problems with having a government run sex offender registry, at least it is run by an accountable authority.
I think it should be obvious why it is going to be inherently problematic if a non-acccountable organization tries to produce it's own registry.
For example, what are the guarantees that the correct information is on the site?
It is easy to get the information wrong, just look at Laden and Mykeru's ex-wife, or the various mistaken attempts to doxx ElevatorGate.

The target for AVFM should not be the protesters - it should be the law enforcement who failed to protect the rights to free speech.
There will always be more protesters. That is not the issue. The issue is whether they are allowed to succeed in stopping free speech due to the inactivity of the security on campus.

Bingo

[welch]

AVfM has an amazing ability to publish the shitties arguments ever. I'm pretty sure they also (sometimes) publish good stuff but everytime I click on a random article, I groan. Loudly. FUCKING LOUDLY I say.

Hahahaha! Do do realize that the solution is to not go there?

And on and on it rambles. And gee, I didn't know marriage was more of a shackle to men than women.

One of the things the MRM is trying to do, is raise the awareness of men and tell them they are not obligated to become a slave to some woman.

We are pointing out to men, that a substantial fraction of women who own a man, treat them worse than dogs, and will not even give them enough fucking to keep them pacified.

Slowly but surely, more and more men are awakening to the idea that they are a human being in their own right, and they should not just blindly accept the social construct which reduces the average man to little more than a pack mule for his wife owner, but instead should explore their own potential and live life to the fullest.

Why do you think so many femtheists are up in arms? It is not because they really believe these uppity men are misogynists, but because they know that if enough men escape the plantation, bang goes their easy living and they might actually have to start working for a living.

No more jetting around to conferences exchanging tips on how how to appear to be so terribly terribly oppressed, while swilling free booze and fattening foods for one.

Someone should tell that to those Pakistani women married to some guy with three other women. A guy who may murder them if he catches them talking to a stranger. Yep. No shackle to the women. Only the men. And I'm not even past the first sentence that this idiot wrote.

Oh we are talking about Pakistan? Well the UK government put a halt to the number of women who could escape that environment simply by enslaving some hapless man in the UK already struggling to make ends meet.

New immigration clampdown demands £20,000 salary for Brits to marry a foreigner
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... igner.html

British citizens who marry foreigners will have to earn at least £20,000 a year if they want to set up their family home in the UK under a new immigration clampdown.

Which means Muslim men on the lower socioeconomic scale can now and in the future look forward to being owned by only two or so women instead of four.

But the UK has managed to find some way to help them out anyway. Notice the men are blamed? The reality is the women have this man working pretty much all his waking hours.

Do they care? Nope! Just shameless victim blaming for this poor slave owned by two, three and up to four women!

The truth about polygamy: A special investigation into how Muslim men can exploit the benefits system
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ystem.html

The social workers said the multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children.

Controversially, it means that a man can take a new spouse (from anywhere in the world), sire any number of children with her, and yet have no responsibility for this family’s upkeep or care.

But these men are "invisible" to the "quality" women who have a taste for the finer things in life, so they are forced to settle. Do they desire to import some luckless slave from Pakistan? Nope! Heavens forbid such a notion. They would rather share just like their low class sisters, sistern? (is that even a word?) Whatever.
High-flying Muslim career women willing to 'share husbands' because of a lack of suitable men
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-men.html

Muslim career women in Britain are choosing to become involved in polygamous relationships because of a lack of suitable men.

Some of them even choosing to become second or third wives to married men, according to the Islamic Sharia Council.

(You know, this redefining of reality to whatever I feel like at the moment is fun. I should thank the baboons for showing me how to do this. I wonder, is it habit forming?)

When you type stuff like this, I have to ask: drunk or stoned. Because it's kind of hard to tell.

[decius]

And it's not like dozing is better. Just look at how laden did it. No verification of accuracy, just childish gotcha games. If it's wrong for laden to do it, how is it right for AVfM to do it?

Exactly so, and the analogy extends to the moral fibre on display.

[BarnOwl]

And as for PZ, it makes me wonder. Does he have his classes do live (=torture) dissections on various fish and other animals? Or does he minimize harm by showing videos of such dissections (where only one animal gets hurt)? He said once that as a child, he loved to play with roadkill and examine their innards. I wonder if he ever intentionally killed any animals as a kid too.

Oh, please. Even small colleges like UMM have institutional animal care and use committees, and if anyone is using vertebrate animals for research or teaching, the protocols, labs, and animal facilities are inspected regularly by AAALAC and by the USDA. Formalin-fixed animals, long dead, are used for basic anatomy/biology teaching labs. If Myers has students doing experiments on adult fish that involve any sort of surgery or injections, the animals will be anesthetized during the procedure.

[welch]

The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.

Have you heard of the Internet? I mean, is this all new to you? Give me a name and a city, and in most countries, within 24 hours, maybe 48, I can have an AMAZING amount of personal information on you. You don't even have to be good at google, there are companies who will do this for you, and the fees are quite reasonable.

The idea that "oh, well, they aren't publishing addresses, just names and cities, so there's no way to track them down" is not only wrong, but you have to be completely fucking stupid to believe it.

[decius]

I am tempted to agree with cunt, however, thought experiment:

What if the roles were reversed, and a bunch of men were angrily yelling and threatening women outside of a feminist convention? How many people would have a problem with these hypothetical men being listed on a website?

If it seems reasonable to dox angry men outside of a feminist convention, why is it not reasonable to dox angry women outside of an mra style convention?

It doesn't seem reasonable at all, why should it?

[TedDahlberg]

@BarnOwl
I see one of your long lost relatives has turned up!

Squeeee!!!

Owls are awesome. There's a Great-horned Owl that likes to hang out on the roof of my neighbor's house early in the morning - if I imitate its call, it will respond and hoot back.

Now I'm jealous. I had a pair of blackbirds nest outside my kitchen window one spring, but no owls. (I'll take this as an excuse to post a lucky picture I got of the mother feeding the chicks.)

http://dyingunderalienstars.files.wordp ... tungar.jpg

I'm well on my way to becoming a crazy old owl lady, aren't I? :D

Well, we didn't want to say anything but… :P

[Submariner]

So then the next time someone here says really mean things about someone you dislike, like oh "Ophelia is a ragingly stupid cunt", you will of course consider that an act of violence against her via definition 3b, and of course, say something against it because violence is wrong, right?

I think actually being in the physical proximity (meatspace) is necessary to call it violence. Although not restricted to meatspace by definition, it hardly seems violent typing on a keyboard. Although, some would argue that one can type words of such offense and violence as to be actionable under hate speech laws.

My argument was this: If it's ok for the government to publish lists of "sex offenders" (which may include offenses unrelated to having sex with minors) and those government lists include actual street addresses and are not considered intimidation or calls for vigilantism, then why is it not ok for AVfM to post lists of people who have committed acts of misandry that does NOT include the actual street addresses, because it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism?

[Submariner]

The street addresses are not published (unlike sex offender registries in the US), just the names and a city. If they published actual street addresses, I would be more inclined to agree that it's intimidation and a call for vigilantism. Not totally inclined, just more likely inclined. After all, the government in the US posts lists of people with their street address, for any sex offense.

Have you heard of the Internet? I mean, is this all new to you? Give me a name and a city, and in most countries, within 24 hours, maybe 48, I can have an AMAZING amount of personal information on you. You don't even have to be good at google, there are companies who will do this for you, and the fees are quite reasonable.

The idea that "oh, well, they aren't publishing addresses, just names and cities, so there's no way to track them down" is not only wrong, but you have to be completely fucking stupid to believe it.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. See above breakdown of my ACTUAL argument.

[Ericb]

HI, I guess I never formally introduced myself. I've been lucking here (and earlier at the old ERV thread) since E-gate. I mostly lurk and I have cats:

Stephen

http://goodmorningkitten.com/media/kitt ... 417_05.jpg

and

DL

http://goodmorningkitten.com/media/kitt ... 417_01.jpg