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[windy]

One key thing about SJW is they rarely talk about class as an issue (although some attempts seem to have been made in the 1%er discussions re: the Occupy Movement, although even that seemed to devolve).

There's a new contender on the scene for that:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-br ... 06959.html

Of course, true to form, he's advocating for social justice by being a total condescending tit about the lower classes:

[Harris], and many of today's atheist authors, seem content to say that dogmatic thought will be liberated through spirited argument--a strategy which only seems effective between people who occupy the same economic class, namely one where they are comfortable enough that the philosophical question of whether or not god exists is worth pondering at all.

Somehow, Islam is a class issue as well. At least the pseudo-intellectual language was entertaining (humanists are "siphoning themselves off from lower-class church communities"? "Economic inequality is one of the most imminent issues facing Western society today"?)

[AndrewV69]

Just finished reading the cracked article. Pretty good one.

I recommend it to everyone. Even though I only agreed with some of what was written there, it scored enough bullseyes for me to bookmark.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5- ... =companion

YMMV

[Apples]

I have to admit I squirmed a little whent he picture of PZ in a nappy was put up.

download/file.php?avatar=307_1358467979.jpg

Really?

of course! so hypocricitcal of me! the similarity of the insinuation is uncanny!

my err in not expanding on the hairy adult male wearing a nappy.... but I take your point. That avatar was made as a personal attack on me by someone I know (heh my brother). It comes from a long running meme about how much I resemble Rowan Atkinson. The avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

People who are chubby and look like Rowan Atkinson are fuckin' gold - you don't need makeup and nice clothes - you're beautiful. Fat/bald/old is only ugly in people who act like twats.

[another lurker]

I have to admit I squirmed a little whent he picture of PZ in a nappy was put up.

download/file.php?avatar=307_1358467979.jpg

Really?

of course! so hypocricitcal of me! the similarity of the insinuation is uncanny!

my err in not expanding on the hairy adult male wearing a nappy.... but I take your point. That avatar was made as a personal attack on me by someone I know (heh my brother). It comes from a long running meme about how much I resemble Rowan Atkinson. The avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

People who are chubby and look like Rowan Atkinson are fuckin' gold - you don't need makeup and nice clothes - you're beautiful. Fat/bald/old is only ugly in people who act like twats.

Agreed. As I stated earlier, it's the personality that makes someone ugly. I don't know how else to describe it. Like when I watched Ophie in Mykeru's video - she just looks like a mean hateful pretentious old bat.

[Steersman]

Well, we all know 'pitters are inveterate tit-grabbers.

That is so udderly bad ....

And slowly we realise that that verbose ole bugger steerzo is coming to us:) love ya steers u difficult bugger u
now stop with the philosocrap and i'll give u a reacharound

Well, phlebitis Jim, thanks very much, but I think I’ll pass on the “reacharound”.

And while some philistines might, with some justification, think that philosophy is little more than intellectual masturbation, not all of it is. No small part of atheism and skepticism has, methinks, some substantial root structure buried in that field of thought.

[TheMan]

he avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

Uh huh. Sure.

Well...I did change that avatar after the PZ baby post but that was coincidental...as in- not the reason why.

It does raise a point in how much one can critically look at photoshopped picture/cartoon and go past the initial seemingly personal attack to a deeper revealing of the concept behind it. On more thinking the PZ nappy one is a bad example as it did have a point to it beyond "he's fat". I can see that better now....some of the others not so.

The reality is that if for some people these pics are upsetting the culture exists here where you can speak up about it...and there is no fear in doing so...or there shouldn't be.

[jimthepleb]

Well, we all know 'pitters are inveterate tit-grabbers.

That is so udderly bad ....

And slowly we realise that that verbose ole bugger steerzo is coming to us:) love ya steers u difficult bugger u
now stop with the philosocrap and i'll give u a reacharound

Well, phlebitis Jim, thanks very much, but I think I’ll pass on the “reacharound”.

And while some philistines might, with some justification, think that philosophy is little more than intellectual masturbation, not all of it is. No small part of atheism and skepticism has, methinks, some substantial root structure buried in that field of thought.

phlebitis? ouch!No no my veins are good. My arteries on the other hand...
I appreciate a little philosophy, indeed it is what led me to atheism from the seminary. However i live in a reality not an abstraction thereof. And i choose to continue living there rather than some pseudo/proxy-reality that helps neither me nor my family. Food on the table is not a theoretical principle, but an actual necessity.

[Steersman]

Just finished reading the cracked article. Pretty good one.

I recommend it to everyone. Even though I only agreed with some of what was written there, it scored enough bullseyes for me to bookmark.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5- ... =companion

YMMV

Of course, wasn’t really digging up links just for you to peruse as I know you’re entirely capable of doing that yourself[ ;-) ], but glad to see that you got something out of it.

And I quite agree with your suggestion that the conclusions are a little suspect, notably this statement:

… men bemoaning how all women are gold-digging whores (7,500 upvotes) and how crazy and irrational women are (9,659 upvotes) and how horrible and gross and fat women are (4,000 upvotes).

Certainly sexism is a serious problem, but one might wonder whether it is greater in those men who think the indicated thoughts or in the author of the article for suggesting that all men think that way.

[jimthepleb]

he avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

Uh huh. Sure.

Well...I did change that avatar after the PZ baby post but that was coincidental...as in- not the reason why.

It does raise a point in how much one can critically look at photoshopped picture/cartoon and go past the initial seemingly personal attack to a deeper revealing of the concept behind it. On more thinking the PZ nappy one is a bad example as it did have a point to it beyond "he's fat". I can see that better now....some of the others not so.

The reality is that if for some people these pics are upsetting the culture exists here where you can speak up about it...and there is no fear in doing so...or there shouldn't be.

You mean that's not you? GDI and i got all hard and excited you were some kind of adult baby and we coulda had some fun....meh life sucks.
too rapey? my apologies

[Git]

Git, I like the new avatar- a cat with a dildo on its head. I used to have one just like it. The dildo I mean, not the cat.

Ta. What happened? (to the dildo, not the cat)

[AbsurdWalls]

After watching Mykeru's video a few thoughts occurred to me:

1. I hope he is prepared for the doxing and employer tattling that is sure to come.

2. If Vacula was removed from his post, how does Melody Hensley still have hers?

3. I can hardly wait to see the reaction from the FC(n).

I was 90% sure that Mykeru's video was going to end with him revealing:
1) His full name.
2) His place of work.
3) His having had a meeting with his bosses to inform them that he is being harassed by online bullies.

1 & 2 are already in the hands of the people most worth keeping it from anyway.

Here's the problem there. I sort of addressed that in an earlier draft. The way their minds work, if I gave an inch they would take a mile. If I revealed anything they would (as Hoggle would predict) then claim everything is fair game and I would open myself to actual harassment.

Let them work at it.

http://www.soltshirts.com/uimages/YourHate375.jpg

We all knew 'Becca lifted that line, right?

Absolutely, I did not mean to imply that you should have done so. It is easy to be brave with someone else's skin! I hope you have at least contacted your employer though?

[AndrewV69]

NoelPlum has a new post out. Has anyone mentioned this already?

http://noelplum99.blogspot.de/2013/02/r ... l?spref=tw

Just read that. Brilliantly done. Noel manages to put out there exactly what's been in my brain for *weeks*.

The tagline:

Here I have presented a sly little game, the misogyny game: smearing via equivocation by proxy.

Only problem for the people who use it, is in my case the tag "misogyny" has absolutely no impact andn that would be before I even considered the source.

If I remember correctly acathode or one of those guys descended from people who routinely indulged in rape, pillage and slavery (but hey let bygones be bygones) of, at the time various but mainly hapless smelly stinky peoples found at all compass points to them, noted that the charge of racism had been bandied about so much in his area that it had become an inconsequential term.

Our diligent, dutiful but delusional dunderheads, having done the same to "misogyny" as the Scandinavians apparently have done to racism, are also busily working on "harassment" "sexism" "stalking" "rape" and "threats" among others.

They are in short, apparently (and who knows if it is their intent, aforethought ), effectively murdering the English language, one word at a time.

[Steersman]

Well, we all know 'pitters are inveterate tit-grabbers.

That is so udderly bad ....

And slowly we realise that that verbose ole bugger steerzo is coming to us:) love ya steers u difficult bugger u
now stop with the philosocrap and i'll give u a reacharound

Well, phlebitis Jim, thanks very much, but I think I’ll pass on the “reacharound”.

And while some philistines might, with some justification, think that philosophy is little more than intellectual masturbation, not all of it is. No small part of atheism and skepticism has, methinks, some substantial root structure buried in that field of thought.

phlebitis? ouch!No no my veins are good. My arteries on the other hand...
I appreciate a little philosophy, indeed it is what led me to atheism from the seminary. However i live in a reality not an abstraction thereof. And i choose to continue living there rather than some pseudo/proxy-reality that helps neither me nor my family. Food on the table is not a theoretical principle, but an actual necessity.

I can sympathize – philosophy can be a bit of luxury, something that one might credibly or arguably suggest is something that appeals to “useless eaters”. Reminds me of having seen the movie on the defense of Masada, one scene in particular. While building the defenses there were some Jews who thought to claim to be exempted from the heavy lifting because they were “intellectuals” – didn’t fly too well, not suprisingly, with the rest of the population.

But I’m also reminded of someone’s aphorism to the effect that valuing plumbing or philosophy over the other is equally problematic as the consequence will be that neither one’s plumbing nor one’s values will hold much water ….

[Sulaco]

Great video Mykeru. I never realized that Benson bore such a strong resemblance to the Muppet Beaker (see time 21:48) in both looks and ability to communicate.

[Steersman]

Great video Mykeru. I never realized that Benson bore such a strong resemblance to the Muppet Beaker (see time 21:48) in both looks and ability to communicate.

You’d have a more credible argument if you provided examples of both, particularly the latter since "looks" tends to be a largely useless ad hominem ….

[Mykeru]

every time i see ophelia, i get happy in my pants
and this is how i shall deal with her from now on
i realise she may not be to everyones taste
but consider this, lust is disarming
and look again
she is beautiful in a unique way
very
very
unique but i love her...
i wouldn't want to stalk her
or make her feel uncomfortable
but seriously we need fanpages made to her sheer awesomeness
Beyonce Knowles is all over the net...and this is just misogynistic crap..OB is the REAL goddess worship at her feet...

http://jakerake.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/huffing.jpg

Aerosol spray paint is a hell of a drug.

Absolutely, I did not mean to imply that you should have done so. It is easy to be brave with someone else's skin! I hope you have at least contacted your employer though?

Oh hell yeah. Not to disclose the previous doxing, my employer was already familiar with the phenomena of "whiny little fuckers on the internet".

The day after Hensley did that Tweet, I walked into my bosses' office with a screen cap and showed it to him.

[Apples]

he avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

Uh huh. Sure.

Well...I did change that avatar after the PZ baby post but that was coincidental...as in- not the reason why.

It does raise a point in how much one can critically look at photoshopped picture/cartoon and go past the initial seemingly personal attack to a deeper revealing of the concept behind it. On more thinking the PZ nappy one is a bad example as it did have a point to it beyond "he's fat". I can see that better now....some of the others not so.

The reality is that if for some people these pics are upsetting the culture exists here where you can speak up about it...and there is no fear in doing so...or there shouldn't be.

Well, I'll tell you what - I'd sure as hell rather listen to someone speak up and say it affected them for personal reasons than to listen to tut-tutters who are concerned about outreach and public relations and whether this place is spiffy enough for Dawkins or Shermer. This is a no-holds-barred place, and the opposition behaves in such a way that mocking and shaming them without mercy is amply justified. As another lurker was pointing out, what makes Ophelia such a hag? Her character and her behavior. The point of course isn't that she's old - it's that she needs to be taken down a peg and any potential sensitivity will be exploited. In a pissing match, every weapon is used, and splash damage to allies does happen, for which I apologize as an occasional pisser.

[another lurker]

every time i see ophelia, i get happy in my pants
and this is how i shall deal with her from now on
i realise she may not be to everyones taste
but consider this, lust is disarming
and look again
she is beautiful in a unique way
very
very
unique but i love her...
i wouldn't want to stalk her
or make her feel uncomfortable
but seriously we need fanpages made to her sheer awesomeness
Beyonce Knowles is all over the net...and this is just misogynistic crap..OB is the REAL goddess worship at her feet...

http://jakerake.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/huffing.jpg

Aerosol spray paint is a hell of a drug.

Absolutely, I did not mean to imply that you should have done so. It is easy to be brave with someone else's skin! I hope you have at least contacted your employer though?

Oh hell yeah. Not to disclose the previous doxing, my employer was already familiar with the phenomena of "whiny little fuckers on the internet".

The day after Hensley did that Tweet, I walked into my bosses' office with a screen cap and showed it to him.

whiny_little_fucker would be a great nym to go by!

[Mykeru]

Great video Mykeru. I never realized that Benson bore such a strong resemblance to the Muppet Beaker (see time 21:48) in both looks and ability to communicate.

Great way to ruin The Muppet Show for me, asshole.

http://www.chinahearsay.com/wp-content/ ... -space.jpg

[jimthepleb]

indeed, and yet i am here my friend.

[Mykeru]

whiny_little_fucker would be a great nym to go by!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... og_cow.gif

Thanks for hosting the image, Steph

[Apples]

Great video Mykeru. I never realized that Benson bore such a strong resemblance to the Muppet Beaker (see time 21:48) in both looks and ability to communicate.

You’d have a more credible argument if you provided examples of both, particularly the latter since "looks" tends to be a largely useless ad hominem ….

Steers - I think Notung has some cool posts up you might want to comment on over at SIN. Sulaco, I suggest you not answer..

[jimthepleb]

every time i see ophelia, i get happy in my pants
and this is how i shall deal with her from now on
i realise she may not be to everyones taste
but consider this, lust is disarming
and look again
she is beautiful in a unique way
very
very
unique but i love her...
i wouldn't want to stalk her
or make her feel uncomfortable
but seriously we need fanpages made to her sheer awesomeness
Beyonce Knowles is all over the net...and this is just misogynistic crap..OB is the REAL goddess worship at her feet...

http://jakerake.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/huffing.jpg

Aerosol spray paint is a hell of a drug.

Aerosol spray? I fucken wish, pure jenkem here.
you dissin my bitch?

[16bitheretic]

So much to catch up in over the course of the day:

-Noelplum99 blog post: good stuff

-New epic Mykeru vid: 5 out of 5 stars, two thumbs up, 10/10, A+ (LOL)

-forum debate over tone and approach: My .02 cents, as someone who has posted some lengthy and argument based tl:dr responses to blogs and commenters on those blogs, and who has also taken the low-brow approach with photoshops mocking Ophelia, PZ and other twats, is that I feel as long as we never advocate violence or harassment that we are too diverse to all have the same sense of humor, the same level of respect for proper debating techniques, and the same level of caring what others think. I feel the rather hands off approach to forum standards is fine in that it allows one to police themselves. If you feel the posts are too childish or mean, then become the change and counter that with a more rational response. If you think it;s getting too uptight and feel like photoshopping someone's face into a donkey's asscrack, fine, go for it. As someone who has flirted with both the more reasonable and the juvenile in my posts here, I appreciate the freedom either way to express my thoughts in the manner concurrent with my mood.

[Gefan]

Are you being serious? We'll be amputating our own limbs after the Torys have had their way with the NHS.

In fairness, the same sort of thing was said for the duration of the Thatcher years and the NHS emerged (more or less) in one piece.
It's not the best system of its kind in terms of efficiency or outcomes, but if you want to feel better about it, try spending a month or so with the Gordon Gecko meets Nurse Ratchett fiasco extant in the US.

[jimthepleb]

Are you being serious? We'll be amputating our own limbs after the Torys have had their way with the NHS.

In fairness, the same sort of thing was said for the duration of the Thatcher years and the NHS emerged (more or less) in one piece.
It's not the best system of its kind in terms of efficiency or outcomes, but if you want to feel better about it, try spending a month or so with the Gordon Gecko meets Nurse Ratchett fiasco extant in the US.

Oh shit, you just said Thatcher to a socialist....dunno bout the rest of you...but i'm running for cover...
night night

[Git]

One key thing about SJW is they rarely talk about class as an issue (although some attempts seem to have been made in the 1%er discussions re: the Occupy Movement, although even that seemed to devolve).

There's a new contender on the scene for that:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-br ... 06959.html

Of course, true to form, he's advocating for social justice by being a total condescending tit about the lower classes:

[Harris], and many of today's atheist authors, seem content to say that dogmatic thought will be liberated through spirited argument--a strategy which only seems effective between people who occupy the same economic class, namely one where they are comfortable enough that the philosophical question of whether or not god exists is worth pondering at all.

Somehow, Islam is a class issue as well. At least the pseudo-intellectual language was entertaining (humanists are "siphoning themselves off from lower-class church communities"? "Economic inequality is one of the most imminent issues facing Western society today"?)

Well, as anyone who has watched the SWP/Respect shenanigans in the UK will know, for a certain kind of Marxist/progressive, since the Soviet Union fell, they've been scrabbling around for something to ally with against the evil West (and the US in particular), and they're jumped into bed with Islam. Hence both the invented and totally meaningless term "Islamophobia", and the high priestess of po-mo, Judith Butler declaring that "understanding Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the Left, that are part of a global Left, is extremely important." (no I am not making that quote up - she actually said it)

And forgetting of course the fate of the Tudeh party in post-revolutionary Iran, and that Butler and their ilk would be first dragged screaming up against the wall by the mullahs.

[Gefan]

Man, I used to work at heights. I never, ever trusted my gear that much. Then again, it was a right-to-work state that considered OSHA a commie plot.

I have a friend who was once the head of OSHA in a right to work state. Talking with him about that little episode in his life should not be attempted without an ample supply of alcohol within easy reach.

I hate you Mykeru, for making me look at Ophelia:(

Doesn't actually bother me. Ophelia's visage suggests to me that all the humorlessness in the planet has been condensed into one shriveled, mean-spirited, solipsistic husk. Makes me feel rather better.

And now off to watch a long-awaited epic, which, unlike most of its kind will not result in suicidal fan-boys leaping from tall buildings.

Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

[Tigzy]

@Mykeru

Fuckin excellent vid.

I also reckon Ophelia will enjoy it too. Then bitterly hate herself afterwards as she applies a soothing astringent to her nether parts.

[masakari2012]

So much to catch up in over the course of the day:

-Noelplum99 blog post: good stuff

-New epic Mykeru vid: 5 out of 5 stars, two thumbs up, 10/10, A+ (LOL)

-forum debate over tone and approach: My .02 cents, as someone who has posted some lengthy and argument based tl:dr responses to blogs and commenters on those blogs, and who has also taken the low-brow approach with photoshops mocking Ophelia, PZ and other twats, is that I feel as long as we never advocate violence or harassment that we are too diverse to all have the same sense of humor, the same level of respect for proper debating techniques, and the same level of caring what others think. I feel the rather hands off approach to forum standards is fine in that it allows one to police themselves. If you feel the posts are too childish or mean, then become the change and counter that with a more rational response. If you think it;s getting too uptight and feel like photoshopping someone's face into a donkey's asscrack, fine, go for it. As someone who has flirted with both the more reasonable and the juvenile in my posts here, I appreciate the freedom either way to express my thoughts in the manner concurrent with my mood.

Also, this Harriet Hall blog from earlier today...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... ent-110989

[Zenspace]

This should be fun:

[youtube]b_7SRa_xQNQ[/youtube]

Holy mother of.....WOW!!

Well worth the wait. Damn, that is going to seriously toast some cookies. (There, is that clean enough for the intellectual crowd?)

Loved the relevant segues in and out off personal history and I didn't realize you we're as new to this scene as I am. I laughed hard and loud at a couple of parts, but the bit that floored me was the very last second, when your skull head character gives the Bronx cheer after that spectacular panned, silhouette buildup. Absolutely perfect closing after all the preceding foreboding. Really. Just. Perfect.

Quality was good, a few relatively minor nits, but that sucker must have been a bear to put together, especially on new, unfamiliar software. I was hoping you would use that video clip offered a couple of weeks ago, but I actually thought the way you closed was far superior, as it struck the perfect note at the perfect moment.

Really well done. Now... :popcorn:

[AndrewV69]

Certainly sexism is a serious problem, but one might wonder whether it is greater in those men who think the indicated thoughts or in the author of the article for suggesting that all men think that way.

Well, some parts did resonate with me.

For example, one or two occasions when I had to pretend to be busy writing up action items after the meeting was over come to mind.

Never mind I had absolutely no idea what was said in the meeting, as I had spent the entire time with a raging boner and studiously avoiding looking at the woman in the room, who for some reason completely unknown to me was an object of desire.

Never mind that she was professionally dressed, skirt at knee level, and not exposing a single inch of cleavage, which was covered in a jacket so loose fitting one could not even determine the size of her tits.

Never mind she was wearing no makeup, and in fact her hair was a mess, as being late she had left the house with it wet and had come strait into the meeting.

Nope. I spent the entire fucking meeting lusting after her with a hard on that I could have used to lift weights twice my body mass with. Only saving grace was I happened to be not wearing a kilt on both occasions, otherwise I would have needed a new sporran each time.

Never mind I had to sit there till the erection eased off enough for me to be able to stand up without doing myself a permanent injury.

Might be hard for some females to understand this, but sometimes being male sucks boulders through a straw.

/rant

[Mykeru]

I have a friend who was once the head of OSHA in a right to work state. Talking with him about that little episode in his life should not be attempted without an ample supply of alcohol within easy reach.

I have fond memories of dry-rotted wooden catwalks 70 feet in the air. The consolation? Above 30 feet you're dead anyway. It's just a matter of how long you have to think about it.

That cliff face gives you time to compose a haiku on the way down.

I also reckon Ophelia will enjoy it too. Then bitterly hate herself afterwards as she applies a soothing astringent to her nether parts.

http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/upl ... -Vomit.jpg

Dude!

[justinvacula]

Thanks for the new avatar AL!

[Mykeru]

This should be fun:

[youtube]b_7SRa_xQNQ[/youtube]

Holy mother of.....WOW!!

Well worth the wait. Damn, that is going to seriously toast some cookies. (There, is that clean enough for the intellectual crowd?)

Loved the relevant segues in and out off personal history and I didn't realize you we're as new to this scene as I am. I laughed hard and loud at a couple of parts, but the bit that floored me was the very last second, when your skull head character gives the Bronx cheer after that spectacular panned, silhouette buildup. Absolutely perfect closing after all the preceding foreboding. Really. Just. Perfect.

Quality was good, a few relatively minor nits, but that sucker must have been a bear to put together, especially on new, unfamiliar software. I was hoping you would use that video clip offered a couple of weeks ago, but I actually thought the way you closed was far superior, as it struck the perfect note at the perfect moment.

Really well done. Now... :popcorn:

Thanks. That pan out was the first thing I did, actually. It helps to know how to end it. I don't always start ending first, but it's kind of helpful to know what you are working towards.

I surely hope they aren't too offended. I would feel bad.

Don't you worry. I'll work the Mykeru in Hell clip in.

I thought I downloaded it, what's the url again?

[Mykeru]

Thanks for the new avatar AL!

I apologize for pronouncing your name wrong in my last video. I, however, don't feel bad about it. Because your hat is racist.

[free thoughtpolice]

every time i see ophelia, i get happy in my pants
and this is how i shall deal with her from now on
i realise she may not be to everyones taste
but consider this, lust is disarming
and look again
she is beautiful in a unique way
very
very
unique but i love her...
i wouldn't want to stalk her
or make her feel uncomfortable
but seriously we need fanpages made to her sheer awesomeness
Beyonce Knowles is all over the net...and this is just misogynistic crap..OB is the REAL goddess worship at her feet...

http://jakerake.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/huffing.jpg

Aerosol spray paint is a hell of a drug.

Absolutely, I did not mean to imply that you should have done so. It is easy to be brave with someone else's skin! I hope you have at least contacted your employer though?

Oh hell yeah. Not to disclose the previous doxing, my employer was already familiar with the phenomena of "whiny little fuckers on the internet".

The day after Hensley did that Tweet, I walked into my bosses' office with a screen cap and showed it to him.

The dude in the picture- is that the well respected pharyngula commenter Bjarte Foshaug? (Obviously not a real name.)

[Mykeru]

every time i see ophelia, i get happy in my pants
and this is how i shall deal with her from now on
i realise she may not be to everyones taste
but consider this, lust is disarming
and look again
she is beautiful in a unique way
very
very
unique but i love her...
i wouldn't want to stalk her
or make her feel uncomfortable
but seriously we need fanpages made to her sheer awesomeness
Beyonce Knowles is all over the net...and this is just misogynistic crap..OB is the REAL goddess worship at her feet...

http://jakerake.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/huffing.jpg

Aerosol spray paint is a hell of a drug.

Absolutely, I did not mean to imply that you should have done so. It is easy to be brave with someone else's skin! I hope you have at least contacted your employer though?

Oh hell yeah. Not to disclose the previous doxing, my employer was already familiar with the phenomena of "whiny little fuckers on the internet".

The day after Hensley did that Tweet, I walked into my bosses' office with a screen cap and showed it to him.

The dude in the picture- is that the well respected pharyngula commenter Bjarte Foshaug? (Obviously not a real name.)

That is The Huffer. There can be only one.

[Gefan]

Are you being serious? We'll be amputating our own limbs after the Torys have had their way with the NHS.

In fairness, the same sort of thing was said for the duration of the Thatcher years and the NHS emerged (more or less) in one piece.
It's not the best system of its kind in terms of efficiency or outcomes, but if you want to feel better about it, try spending a month or so with the Gordon Gecko meets Nurse Ratchett fiasco extant in the US.

Oh shit, you just said Thatcher to a socialist....dunno bout the rest of you...but i'm running for cover...
night night

Here in Murka, there's at least 30% of the (chronologically) adult population whose definition of socialism makes Margaret Thatcher a socialist. I reference Mark Levin (amongst others).
'Tis an amazing place, Murka. I gots 55 days left here and counting.

[Al Stefanelli]

Thanks for the new avatar AL!

Anytime, my friend :)

[Lsuoma]

Fuck me guys! I'm away for a day and you fill this place up - six pages? Jeez, well back to the beginning.

[Steersman]

<snip>

The reality is that if for some people these pics are upsetting the culture exists here where you can speak up about it...and there is no fear in doing so...or there shouldn't be.

Well, I'll tell you what - I'd sure as hell rather listen to someone speak up and say it affected them for personal reasons than to listen to tut-tutters who are concerned about outreach and public relations and whether this place is spiffy enough for Dawkins or Shermer. This is a no-holds-barred place, and the opposition behaves in such a way that mocking and shaming them without mercy is amply justified. As another lurker was pointing out, what makes Ophelia such a hag? Her character and her behavior. The point of course isn't that she's old - it's that she needs to be taken down a peg and any potential sensitivity will be exploited. In a pissing match, every weapon is used, and splash damage to allies does happen, for which I apologize as an occasional pisser.

If you have to piss on if not eviscerate all of your “principles” to win then methinks that qualifies as a Pyrrhic victory ….

[TheMan]

I have to admit I squirmed a little whent he picture of PZ in a nappy was put up.

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Really?

of course! so hypocricitcal of me! the similarity of the insinuation is uncanny!

my err in not expanding on the hairy adult male wearing a nappy.... but I take your point. That avatar was made as a personal attack on me by someone I know (heh my brother). It comes from a long running meme about how much I resemble Rowan Atkinson. The avatar doesn't in any way suggest I like to dress up in nappies and be scolded into thinking a certain way by radfems....

People who are chubby and look like Rowan Atkinson are fuckin' gold - you don't need makeup and nice clothes - you're beautiful. Fat/bald/old is only ugly in people who act like twats.

The Mr.Bean/blackadder stuff was driving me batty....it wasn't all bad I used to have strangers coming up to me offering gifts because they were fans. I was kinda glad I put on a bit more muscle and flab as I got less "attention".

Now I all I have to do is stop being a baby... :) ...then I can look forward to getting old, getting away with being cheeky with the chicks and wearing real nappies.... if I make it that far.

[Gefan]

Jesus Holy Fuckballs. I just got done watching the Reverend's latest offering.
It's like an IED just went off. Everything's just quiet.
I'm shell-shocked and I'm on the same side.

Mykeru: the Adam Curtis of The Slymepit.

[Zenspace]

This should be fun:

[youtube]b_7SRa_xQNQ[/youtube]

Holy mother of.....WOW!!

Well worth the wait. Damn, that is going to seriously toast some cookies. (There, is that clean enough for the intellectual crowd?)

Loved the relevant segues in and out off personal history and I didn't realize you we're as new to this scene as I am. I laughed hard and loud at a couple of parts, but the bit that floored me was the very last second, when your skull head character gives the Bronx cheer after that spectacular panned, silhouette buildup. Absolutely perfect closing after all the preceding foreboding. Really. Just. Perfect.

Quality was good, a few relatively minor nits, but that sucker must have been a bear to put together, especially on new, unfamiliar software. I was hoping you would use that video clip offered a couple of weeks ago, but I actually thought the way you closed was far superior, as it struck the perfect note at the perfect moment.

Really well done. Now... :popcorn:

Thanks. That pan out was the first thing I did, actually. It helps to know how to end it. I don't always start ending first, but it's kind of helpful to know what you are working towards.

I surely hope they aren't too offended. I would feel bad.

Don't you worry. I'll work the Mykeru in Hell clip in.

I thought I downloaded it, what's the url again?

Here you go:

[youtube]XwMmBIxfOr0[/youtube]

Now go forth and impress the shit out of me! :popcorn:

[welch]

If you want a forum that's not like the pit, go fucking make one. You can even post a link to it here. Why are we even discussing this?

So, how about that bread?

The jews stole it for their baby-eating ceremony.

damn those jews stealing our atheist meat! baby isn't kosher anyway.

However, challah does kind of look like a newborn.

[welch]

I'm off.
:
I need a safe space to do my philosophy without being harassed by the Scientismpit.

What does one actually "do" when one "does" philosophy?
Aimlessly juggle meaningless words ad infinitum?
This has never been adequately answered in the last 2,500 years.
Why do people get paid to do this utterly pointless & unproductive subject at Universities at the taxpayers' expense?
It is about as productive as traditional Theology. Maybe less so.

Indeed, if one needs a "safe space" from valid criticism by scores of the most intelligent & educated people on the planet, have you considered taking that criticism on-board, and maybe thinking: "hey, they might be correct!"

I don't have a problem with philosophy per se, but fuck, you need a safe space to do it? Did Setar hijack notung's account?

[welch]

The 'Pit should never make concessions to wannabe cult leaders like PZ Myers, Zvan, Benson and Watson. I would pack my bag the day that happens. Mock them into the ground!

¡No pasarán!

I’ll readily concede if they don’t act so batshit crazy so often that photoshops of them hanging in dank caves aren’t as credible as they once might have been … ;-)

Seriously. Shit like that is funny because so many people look at it and go "yeah, that's about right"

[welch]

I think what is needed is another forum.

Great!
Knock yourself out!
Let us know when you have it up & running.

It's already done. Thus far, the entire reaction has been to keep arguing about it instead of actually using it.

I guess they're all out of spoons.

[Michael K Gray]

from my perspective that is excellent news...serious philosophers get in the way of anything of substance actually being done.

Really? So, when you wank over, say, Russell Blackford's takedowns of the FC(n) it's for his good looks?

Russell Blackford came onto my radar about a month ago, while i would agree with his appraisal of FC(n) i have found all his material really hard to fap to You're a self righteous cunt at the best of times decius, but you are making it clear that you want to change the pit to suit your agenda. You are deliberately trying to cause a fissure here in the pit what's your endgame? Oh and regarding your tweet; fuck you very much:)

I first met Russell Blackford at the Global Atheist Conference in 2010.
His lecture was truly abysmal.
I mean really fucking tedious and snore-worthy, very amateur, 30 minutes+ of him reading verbatim his Powerpoint slides to a perplexed & increasingly restive audience.
Murmurs rippled through the crowd of the ilk "Fucking Powerpoint should be shot!" and "Get off the stage, you boring turd!"
I cannot remember a single example of its pointlessly wandering content, in common with all of my mates who attended.
(Except that it appeared to be composed almost entirely of fact-free philoso-twaddle.)

If he lectures in the same style at Uni, it is a wonder that any student is not hospitalised for induced comas.

He has no excuse as he speaks to captive audiences for a living!

[Michael K Gray]

If you want a forum that's not like the pit, go fucking make one. You can even post a link to it here. Why are we even discussing this?

So, how about that bread?

The jews stole it for their baby-eating ceremony.

damn those jews stealing our atheist meat! baby isn't kosher anyway.

It is kosher if the Mohel keeps the tip.

I'll be here all week, folks!

[Michael K Gray]

I like toast.

Racist git!

[welch]

I like toast.

TOAST?
TOAST?!?

FUCK YOU SIRRAH!

FUCK YOU UNTO THE TENTH GENERATION!

"TOAST" INDEED!

[Lsuoma]

I post here to call lsuoma a fascist tit.

Did someone say fascist tit?

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[Michael K Gray]

NoelPlum has a new post out. Has anyone mentioned this already?

http://noelplum99.blogspot.de/2013/02/r ... l?spref=tw

Just read that. Brilliantly done. Noel manages to put out there exactly what's been in my brain for *weeks*.

Dopamine?

[welch]

BTW if i'm wrong on the brain box thing...ie that SDG started this (exceptionally fucking tedious) tone trolling shit that's going, on as opposed to the Svan post please say so.

Well, you already know I agree with you. This is an outgrowth of the "let's mend the rifts" sentiment among SIN bloggers, leading to the Svan "terms" and "OMG sex tapes!" posts. SDG was a coincident burp in the process (afaik it hasn't even been mentioned by anyone outside the 'Pit and is unique in its history). BB is being aggressively clueless, which is, for my purposes, one of the worst offenses you can commit at the 'Pit (aside from being persistently boring, like decius). I guess that's what killfiles are for.

Fuck mending rifts. Just stop being such oversensitive nippleheads, and things work themselves out

[Mykeru]

Jesus Holy Fuckballs. I just got done watching the Reverend's latest offering.
It's like an IED just went off. Everything's just quiet.
I'm shell-shocked and I'm on the same side.

Mykeru: the Adam Curtis of The Slymepit.

Loved "The Century of the Self". I don't know how much credence to put into his tie in with Ana Freud and advertising, but it's a brilliant, thought provoking bit of film making.

Now go forth and impress the shit out of me!

Thanks, YouTube downloaded and tucked away in the archive.

[welch]

In that case, the objective observer should also spot be able to spot blatant guilt-by-association tactics, so a few posters indulging in "crass imagery" should not lead to dismissal of any serious anti-FtB arguments. (If your "serious philos" disagree with this, I'd be interested in their counter-argument)

If you are arguing that these posts are counterproductive by pointing to real world effects, fine, but then the "be nice" strategy ought to be judged by the same standards, not how it 'should' work in some realm of disinterested Platonic observers.

I made that exact same point about guilt by association. Of course, it was agreed. Real-world effects of arguing by ad-homs and school-yard level insults? Well, Windy, I don't have to, because you're fat.

No, I'm ugly, welch is fat. Get it right FFS! But isn't the proper analogy more like:

me: *utter load of bullcrap*
Very Serious Person: Actually, that's not correct, because of *data* and *logical argument*
Decius: Oh snap, you just got told, fatty!
me: The hate! Look at the hate! That only shows that *utter load of bullcrap* is true!

OK, leading philosophers agree with me that "crass imagery" is no reason to dismiss any arguments. What's the exact problem then? Has anyone argued that only ad homs must be used by everyone? Do you see the Pit of consisting only of ad hom arguments? Have I posted nothing but ad homs and school-yard level insults here, for example? (If you can show that I have, I promise to better my ways!)

I also fart a lot

[Cunning Punt]

If you want a forum that's not like the pit, go fucking make one. You can even post a link to it here. Why are we even discussing this?

So, how about that bread?

The jews stole it for their baby-eating ceremony.

damn those jews stealing our atheist meat! baby isn't kosher anyway.

It is kosher if the Mohel keeps the tip.

I'll be here all week, folks!

So that's where those little hats come from.

[Lsuoma]

(slamming my head onto my desk over and over and over again)

Why the fuck can't Ophelia and her ilk get it through their heads that not fucking liking someone or disagreeing with them (and yes, even making photoshopped bullshit or poking fun at their looks) is NOT fucking misogyny????

Repeat after me Ophie, you stupid cow, "Misogyny is the hatred of women".

Dumbass.

Yeah, but this is O'l Cobweb Cunts favourite song:

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