I think Noel and BionicDance were trying to get in on the whole Laden/Svan sex tape thing:fascination wrote:Does anyone know what Noelplum's latest video "Dramagate" was about? Apparently some drama on You Tube with BionicDance? I would link to his video but he doesn't give any real hints.
I *used* to read his blog for his no-holds-barred biblical textual critiques, (an interest of mine), as they ran bravely against the orthodoxy of the biased Xtian so-called bible-scholars.Remick wrote:But why Carrier, does ANYONE actually pay attention to him?
Exactly. They are slum shaming and not sex-positive feminists. Incredibly hypocritical disgusting creatures. But to be clear as I recall, there were some fat shaming photos here that I thought were just as bad.masakari2012 wrote:It's the way they're trying to depict Sara, the fact that Josh used the word "preening", and Amy's tweet made Sara sound like a woman takes extra care in dressing. Doesn't Sara have the right to dress the way she wants, or is she supposed to follow Skepchick/FTB's code of dressing? I thought women could dress however they want, though these feminists seem to have issues with it. That's the underlying point.Dilurk wrote:[spoiler][/spoiler]Spence wrote:Reminds me of Josh's train wreck response to Cara Santa Maria.masakari2012 wrote:Altair, they seem to not like the way Sara Mayhew dresses.
Josh, Official SpokesGay: Personal drama? Drama blogging? From a preening narcissist like you, that’s rich.
Reminds me of: http://images.wikia.com/phawrongula/ima ... mayhew.jpg
linky (trigger warning: goes to fuckthoughtblahgs)
Making fun of someone's appearance rather than their arguments is pretty low in my books. That goes for everyone and I know some of us on here aren't innocent either. But then again, we aren't a group think forum. You are free to disagree. Didn't I just point that out to Olivia Benson?
A bunch of various middle to lesser known atheist YT channels conspired together to create "Dramagate", a mock internet war they staged to try and teach everyone that the drama between Matt Dillahunty, Thunderf00t, PZ and others is really bad, mmmmmkay.fascination wrote:Does anyone know what Noelplum's latest video "Dramagate" was about? Apparently some drama on You Tube with BionicDance? I would link to his video but he doesn't give any real hints.
Thanks. That sounds really stupid.16bitheretic wrote:A bunch of various middle to lesser known atheist YT channels conspired together to create "Dramagate", a mock internet war they staged to try and teach everyone that the drama between Matt Dillahunty, Thunderf00t, PZ and others is really bad, mmmmmkay.fascination wrote:Does anyone know what Noelplum's latest video "Dramagate" was about? Apparently some drama on You Tube with BionicDance? I would link to his video but he doesn't give any real hints.
Women aren't allowed to dress in ways that could conceivably be seen as attractive by men. That is sucking up to The Patriarchy and therefore forbidden.masakari2012 wrote: It's the way they're trying to depict Sara, the fact that Josh used the word "preening", and Amy's tweet made Sara sound like a woman takes extra care in dressing. Doesn't Sara have the right to dress the way she wants, or is she supposed to follow Skepchick/FTB's code of dressing? I thought women could dress however they want, though these feminists seem to have issues with it. That's the underlying point.
[spoiler]http://nicoleirene.files.wordpress.com/ ... oster1.jpg[/spoiler]fascination wrote:Thanks. That sounds really stupid.16bitheretic wrote:A bunch of various middle to lesser known atheist YT channels conspired together to create "Dramagate", a mock internet war they staged to try and teach everyone that the drama between Matt Dillahunty, Thunderf00t, PZ and others is really bad, mmmmmkay.fascination wrote:Does anyone know what Noelplum's latest video "Dramagate" was about? Apparently some drama on You Tube with BionicDance? I would link to his video but he doesn't give any real hints.
That is old news.clod wrote:Peezus is fucking insane.
That's the case when someone they don't like does it, certainly. Of course when someone who thinks like them does it, that is a completely different kettle of crab juice.Gumby wrote:Women aren't allowed to dress in ways that could conceivably be seen as attractive by men. That is sucking up to The Patriarchy and therefore forbidden.masakari2012 wrote: It's the way they're trying to depict Sara, the fact that Josh used the word "preening", and Amy's tweet made Sara sound like a woman takes extra care in dressing. Doesn't Sara have the right to dress the way she wants, or is she supposed to follow Skepchick/FTB's code of dressing? I thought women could dress however they want, though these feminists seem to have issues with it. That's the underlying point.
Mayhew is obviously in breach of righteous feminist harrassment policies. She is dressingGumby wrote:Women aren't allowed to dress in ways that could conceivably be seen as attractive by men. That is sucking up to The Patriarchy and therefore forbidden.masakari2012 wrote: It's the way they're trying to depict Sara, the fact that Josh used the word "preening", and Amy's tweet made Sara sound like a woman takes extra care in dressing. Doesn't Sara have the right to dress the way she wants, or is she supposed to follow Skepchick/FTB's code of dressing? I thought women could dress however they want, though these feminists seem to have issues with it. That's the underlying point.
Brave feminist warrior:Spence wrote: That's the case when someone they don't like does it, certainly. Of course when someone who thinks like them does it, that is a completely different kettle of crab juice.
He is the perfect counter-argument to the oft-repeated Baboon charge that "hysterical" is an anti-woman gendered insult.I do wonder about Josh though. He seems to have a really bizarre chip on his shoulder that comes out when an attractive woman behaves in a feminine way. It's almost as if he is a repressed heterosexual in denial about his own lack of victim status.
Almost.
Said young Richard to his average sized penis,comslave wrote:papillon wrote::) - Putting the poe back into poetry...welch wrote:There once was a wanker named Carrier
Who tried to erect a big barrier
Between pitters and plus
The "them" and the "us"
When what Jen really needs is a farrier
I know, I wasn't going to go there.....
Pity our poor Richard Carrier
Who fancies himself quite the harrier
he growls and he bites,
but try as he might
He's never to be really scarier
Carrier,
Intellectual artillery
Readied for battle,
..Dickwad.
Let me tell you about Richard the cunt,
Who is really a sickening runt,
He tried to push us into A+
But try as he must,
We're putting an end to this stunt.
Every time I see her avatar I am reminded of Carrier.masakari2012 wrote:Altair, they seem to not like the way Sara Mayhew dresses.
Josh, Official SpokesGay: Personal drama? Drama blogging? From a preening narcissist like you, that’s rich.
Reminds me of: http://images.wikia.com/phawrongula/ima ... mayhew.jpg
Which brings us back to an point made some time ago: alcohol should be against harassment policies at conventions, since it can contribute to a sexualized conference environment. But of course, Rebecca Watson and her friends depend on alcohol for survival more than Bender, so that's out of the question.DownThunder wrote: Mayhew is obviously in breach of righteous feminist harrassment policies. She is dressinglike a slutin a way that would contribute to a sexualised conference environment.
Just out of curiosity, did you come across any particularly egregious examples of this in his online writings?Michael K Gray wrote: As a mathematician, I got so bloody annoyed at his uneducated obsession with Bayesian Stats, that I avoided them like the plaugue.
He has little idea of what constitutes "unfounded a priori assumptions" versus "validated data" that he regularly confuses the two.
256Gb of RAM?!?!Spence wrote:And just managed to make my computer run out of memory. Apparently, a quarter of a terabyte of RAM is not enough. Grrr.
Umm...this is Olivia Benson, who doesn't take any shit from anyone:Dilurk wrote:
Making fun of someone's appearance rather than their arguments is pretty low in my books. That goes for everyone and I know some of us on here aren't innocent either. But then again, we aren't a group think forum. You are free to disagree. Didn't I just point that out to Olivia Benson?
Do you work for the Susquehanna Hat Company?Gumby wrote:No problem. I have plenty of hats.
Yes, almost all of them.d4m10n wrote:Just out of curiosity, did you come across any particularly egregious examples of this in his online writings?Michael K Gray wrote: As a mathematician, I got so bloody annoyed at his uneducated obsession with Bayesian Stats, that I avoided them like the plaugue.
He has little idea of what constitutes "unfounded a priori assumptions" versus "validated data" that he regularly confuses the two.
d4m10n wrote:Buffoonery! Try this link instead:
http://www.skepticalabyss.com/?p=31
That sucks Renee. All the best to him.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
Of course not. He's a rabbi.Cunning Punt wrote: I think this article is crap. I'd beware of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of thinking. Just because PZ is a douchebag doesn't mean this guy knows what he's talking about either.
Oh no, Renee, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as it possibly can under the circumstances. {{{Hugs}}} if you want them.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
Sorry to hear that Renee, especially having part of his removed as it is a very painful recovery. A friend of my dad's had it done and that was his experience. With luck your guy's won't be as bad.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
I'm really sorry you're going through this.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
I'm not sure what ischemgeek does for a living, but if there's different sizes of cylinder valves, then the bigger ones are probably bigger for a reason. This is like a tire installer complaining that the tires for semi trucks are too big to lift, and saying that they should make them all the size of regular tires (because patriarchy?)ischemgeek wrote:Fact: women are shorter and lighter and generally smaller on average than men. Stating that is not bigotry.
What is bigotry: Refusing to provide equipment that fits most women, and using that as an excuse to de facto exclude them from all or part of career. Military, construction and science are notorious as fields for this.
Personal experience: Cylinder valves are often too damn big for my hand to get a grip on (and my hands aren't that small for womens' hands). People that I've had to ask for help because my hand is too small to grip the damn cylinder valve are typically male and typically make some snide remark about women in mens' jobs.
It's not that I can't do the job. It's that the damn main valve is too big for me to get a decent grip on. There's a difference. On cylinders with a small enough valve, I can use them just fine, and big-handed people can also grip.
Ok, maybe "capital punishment" could be considered a euphemism, but "death penalty"? "Death" is right there in the fucking name.Exi5tentialist wrote:"Death Penalty" and "Capital Punishment" are euphemisms for state officials breaking necks, severing spinal cords, poisoning, deliberately traumatising the heart or lungs or simply suffocating a conscious human by cutting their throat or constricting their airways. I'd like to suggest we first drop the euphemisms of extreme violence, then let's talk about how much we support the idea of the state perpetrating them.
Emphasis mine. 'Nuff said.ceepolk wrote:I absolutely stand completely against execution as a punishment. I pretty much only say that in order to be counted among the various opinions, as I have zero intent in arguing it, and I will not be swayed by anything anyone could possibly say.
Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)BarnOwl wrote:Oh no, Renee, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as it possibly can under the circumstances. {{{Hugs}}} if you want them.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
As one of "Bob's" representative's on Earth, Oolon's use of the Dobbshead as his avatar is deeply offensive.Reap wrote:Here's the ReapSowRadio podcast with Oolon. Might wanna listen to it in parts.........
Thanks :) I'm just weepy and drinking and being over the top bitchy at the moment. Thanks for your comment :)Sulaco wrote:Part of his tongue that should read.
Thanks. I'm being a weepy bitch. My guy is more ambivalent about the whole thing. Argh.Cunning Punt wrote:I'm really sorry you're going through this.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
If you catch him at a good moment when he's heavily sedated, show him this clip:ReneeHendricks wrote: Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)
Fuck, Renee, that's really awful. Don't know what to say, but thinking of you both.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
LOL I will :)Mykeru wrote:If you catch him at a good moment when he's heavily sedated, show him this clip:ReneeHendricks wrote: Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)
[youtube]i5aciMK8oOg[/youtube]
Thanks. I really do appreciate it. From you and others here. I'm going to try very hard to stop partaking of the vodka bottle and just mellow for the night. Very, very hard to do at the moment.Lsuoma wrote:Fuck, Renee, that's really awful. Don't know what to say, but thinking of you both.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
:romance-grouphug:ReneeHendricks wrote:Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)BarnOwl wrote:Oh no, Renee, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as it possibly can under the circumstances. {{{Hugs}}} if you want them.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
In fact, if you have never seen that movie, it will cheer you up no end. Some really silly shit :lol:ReneeHendricks wrote:LOL I will :)Mykeru wrote:If you catch him at a good moment when he's heavily sedated, show him this clip:ReneeHendricks wrote: Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)
[youtube]i5aciMK8oOg[/youtube]
nippletwister wrote:welch wrote:The thing i love is just how closely they monitor this site, just so they can complain how we're bullying them. Because we...make them come here?
Anyway...I bet right now that before the week is out, we'll see posts and comments and tweets et al about how OMG JUSTIN VACULA WANTS TO SNEAK INTO OUR CONFERENCE or WELCH IS GOING TO SNEAK IN.
Well, probably not me, i'm not all that important to them. Which i'm fine with.
Look at the reaction from Mr. Hensley (yes, I know, it's deliberate) about my idle poking at the idea of submitting a session to TAM. All of a sudden, i'm trying to "break into public speaking." That's a hoot, since i've been doing it for, well, this year will be my 14th year (we had some unexpected openings in Mac IT, so I'm doing a session on migrating to Google Apps for Enterprise.) But when you think your world is the end all and be all of everything, you make those silly assumptions. (I ignore Wachs' similar comments. She's an idiot, I refuse to take anything she says seriously until she stops being an idiot.)
But manipulating the narrative is so important, and making sure the enemies list is properly refreshed is so critical to how they work that they have to do this. Any one sane reading my comments would realize that it was idle musing. I may do it, I may not. But it was in the context of "how to stop New Media Douchebags from dominating things you don't want them to dominate". i.e. "if you dislike the current crop of speakers, do some work and replace them with better options. Even if that means you." However, since they know that most of their followers will never read anything themselves, or at best glance at it. There's no chance of them getting a lot of pushback from that end. They also know that they've got people, at least for now, cowed into being unwilling to publicly oppose them, although Shermer's essay might accelerate changes in that area.
So they keep on keepin' on, because there's no consequences for them. PeeZus /Ophelia et al want to misrepresent people? There's no harm in it for them. No consequences.
The best way to change that is to push them out of the spotlight. It's not like FTB as a site is doing well, given none of the clots in charge there know fuck all about making money from websites. If the people writing there aren't planning on where they can move their blogs after it shuts down, they're a little naive. It's also not like they really have that much power, unless people give it to them. As I've said before, it's not easy, but it's doable. If you're involved with groups that put on things like FreeOK does, encourage them to use local talent instead of names. If that means you have to do more grunt work to market the event, so be it. Hie thee to the streets and do-ist thine own work.
For example, there's a kid in Louisiana, Zack Kopplin, who is not only writing angry blog posts about OMG CREATIONISTS,he's actually doing real work to get that shit fixed. Everyone was all glowy about Jessica Alquist, well, here's another example. He's actually helping state legislators write and introduce bills to repeal shit like LESA, and he's local to a BUNCH of states in the south and southeast.
Fuck PeeZus and the rest, get Zack Kopplin to talk. He'd be a great person for various atheist/skeptic events.
There are lots of people, of all ages and genders and backgrounds like Zack. They aren't getting book deals and free trips to Australia, but then again, they're actually doing stuff. If LESA gets repealed, no one at FTB, A+, or Skepchicks will have fuck all anything to do with it. It will be because of people like Zack and Eugenie Scott and others who spend a lot of time and effort to get shit done. THOSE are the people who should be talking, and they are everywhere.
The best, the best way to make the entire FTB/A+/Skepchicks problem go the fuck away is to replace them with people who are actually getting things done.
I don't agree with everything I've read from you, but when you repeat messages like this, I know you "get it". And I don't mean "get it" as in accepting spurious claims about hidden social forces, but as in how people actually work and how to maintain some intellectual honesty in the face of political backlash and other bullshit. I have to say, I find you more inspiring as a skeptic/freethinker than I found PZ even back in '05, before he went fully on the authoritarian trip he's on now.
"Women should be independent fully functional adults, able to do whatever they want and dress however they want as long as we approve of it."Altair wrote:That makes sense. I googled her name and ended up visiting her Facebook page. Looking at her pictures I can imagine they find her too feminine, maybe thinking she dresses and act like that to get male attention.masakari2012 wrote:Altair, they seem to not like the way Sara Mayhew dresses.
Josh, Official SpokesGay: Personal drama? Drama blogging? From a preening narcissist like you, that’s rich.
Reminds me of: http://images.wikia.com/phawrongula/ima ... mayhew.jpg
(I'm not saying I think that or that's why she does it, I'm trying to imitate the FTB thought process. I actually think that Sarah Mayhew is very pretty, which hopefully won't be interpreted by the thought police as me objectifying her or only caring about her looks and not her ideas.)
Spence wrote:Cracker traitor. Chill honky. etc. /ftbwelch wrote:Fucking Honkies and their lanyards.
Oh, and couldn't agree with you more on the points you made about relationships as well.
FAO Windy: I did start a reply but it got too long and boring and I got called away on other things (far too busy at the moment), but I think pandora's comment is a good middle ground. It makes it clear she is making a choice. I also note she appears to distance herself from the word obligation - the phrase in a way, and the use of quotes. I looked up obligation on answers.com to formalise a definition. It has 6 definitions, of which 5 imply some sort of duty or compulsion. Exactly what I was uncomfortable with. There is a get out though - the sixth definition does not refer to duty or compulsion, but a "feeling of indebtedness". To me, those are weird terms to couch a relationship in. I do these things because I want to and enjoy them, not from a feeling of indebtedness. But I realise not everyone is me. YMMV.
Oh and just managed to make my computer run out of memory. Apparently, a quarter of a terabyte of RAM is not enough. Grrr.
Honky AnteaterKiwiInOz wrote:Aint nobody gonna call me anteater guy again with this titfer.
I'm gonna command me some R E S P E C T.
(Awesome, thanks Gumby)
Fuck Both Of YouMykeru wrote:Do too, put a sock in it anteater.KiwiInOz wrote:No we don't.Dilurk wrote: We are not all the same, why we even disagree with each other.
I also offer hugs. Many hugs.ReneeHendricks wrote:Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)BarnOwl wrote:Oh no, Renee, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as it possibly can under the circumstances. {{{Hugs}}} if you want them.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
LOL Thanks :) Non-stolen hugs are awesome :Drocko2466 wrote:I also offer hugs. Many hugs.ReneeHendricks wrote:Thanks and I appreciate the hugs :)BarnOwl wrote:Oh no, Renee, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as it possibly can under the circumstances. {{{Hugs}}} if you want them.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
None are stolen.
hey now, I'm not trying to get all hero-worshippy here, and I have no idea what your philosophical or political leanings are. What seems obvious to you has perhaps not been obvious to many. Just saying that I've seen a lot more honesty and actual insight here at the slymepit than I have at a lot of the secular/atheist blogs in a couple of years now, and you make a lot of sense when you want to. I've also found a lot of merit in other comments here, from Franc, Al, Mykeru, Renee, Sacha, Rayshul, and many others. I'm just appreciating NOT being around a bunch of hyper-sensitive, grasping, manipulative idiots. It's refreshing, and I appreciate the value of it.welch wrote:nippletwister wrote:welch wrote:The thing i love is just how closely they monitor this site, just so they can complain how we're bullying them. Because we...make them come here?
Anyway...I bet right now that before the week is out, we'll see posts and comments and tweets et al about how OMG JUSTIN VACULA WANTS TO SNEAK INTO OUR CONFERENCE or WELCH IS GOING TO SNEAK IN.
Well, probably not me, i'm not all that important to them. Which i'm fine with.
Look at the reaction from Mr. Hensley (yes, I know, it's deliberate) about my idle poking at the idea of submitting a session to TAM. All of a sudden, i'm trying to "break into public speaking." That's a hoot, since i've been doing it for, well, this year will be my 14th year (we had some unexpected openings in Mac IT, so I'm doing a session on migrating to Google Apps for Enterprise.) But when you think your world is the end all and be all of everything, you make those silly assumptions. (I ignore Wachs' similar comments. She's an idiot, I refuse to take anything she says seriously until she stops being an idiot.)
But manipulating the narrative is so important, and making sure the enemies list is properly refreshed is so critical to how they work that they have to do this. Any one sane reading my comments would realize that it was idle musing. I may do it, I may not. But it was in the context of "how to stop New Media Douchebags from dominating things you don't want them to dominate". i.e. "if you dislike the current crop of speakers, do some work and replace them with better options. Even if that means you." However, since they know that most of their followers will never read anything themselves, or at best glance at it. There's no chance of them getting a lot of pushback from that end. They also know that they've got people, at least for now, cowed into being unwilling to publicly oppose them, although Shermer's essay might accelerate changes in that area.
So they keep on keepin' on, because there's no consequences for them. PeeZus /Ophelia et al want to misrepresent people? There's no harm in it for them. No consequences.
The best way to change that is to push them out of the spotlight. It's not like FTB as a site is doing well, given none of the clots in charge there know fuck all about making money from websites. If the people writing there aren't planning on where they can move their blogs after it shuts down, they're a little naive. It's also not like they really have that much power, unless people give it to them. As I've said before, it's not easy, but it's doable. If you're involved with groups that put on things like FreeOK does, encourage them to use local talent instead of names. If that means you have to do more grunt work to market the event, so be it. Hie thee to the streets and do-ist thine own work.
For example, there's a kid in Louisiana, Zack Kopplin, who is not only writing angry blog posts about OMG CREATIONISTS,he's actually doing real work to get that shit fixed. Everyone was all glowy about Jessica Alquist, well, here's another example. He's actually helping state legislators write and introduce bills to repeal shit like LESA, and he's local to a BUNCH of states in the south and southeast.
Fuck PeeZus and the rest, get Zack Kopplin to talk. He'd be a great person for various atheist/skeptic events.
There are lots of people, of all ages and genders and backgrounds like Zack. They aren't getting book deals and free trips to Australia, but then again, they're actually doing stuff. If LESA gets repealed, no one at FTB, A+, or Skepchicks will have fuck all anything to do with it. It will be because of people like Zack and Eugenie Scott and others who spend a lot of time and effort to get shit done. THOSE are the people who should be talking, and they are everywhere.
The best, the best way to make the entire FTB/A+/Skepchicks problem go the fuck away is to replace them with people who are actually getting things done.
I don't agree with everything I've read from you, but when you repeat messages like this, I know you "get it". And I don't mean "get it" as in accepting spurious claims about hidden social forces, but as in how people actually work and how to maintain some intellectual honesty in the face of political backlash and other bullshit. I have to say, I find you more inspiring as a skeptic/freethinker than I found PZ even back in '05, before he went fully on the authoritarian trip he's on now.
Oh lord no, I'm just pointing out what I see as obvious. Keep in mind, y'all are new to this kind of thing, it's been the norm in my world for a decade now, maybe more. So I've perhaps a bit more experience with this than y'all might. If my experience and the things i've learned are of use, that's awesome, but keep in mind, my general opinion towards groups of any kind mirrors Carlin's.
Ach, dude, that's...that's fucked.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
Vent, rant, fall further into the loving embrace of Mr Smirnoff, we approve of whatever coping mechanism you choose.ReneeHendricks wrote:Thanks. I really do appreciate it. From you and others here. I'm going to try very hard to stop partaking of the vodka bottle and just mellow for the night. Very, very hard to do at the moment.Lsuoma wrote:Fuck, Renee, that's really awful. Don't know what to say, but thinking of you both.ReneeHendricks wrote:FTR and because I feel like just fucking venting, Greta Christina can kiss my ever-loving, eternal ass. My guy is going to have part of his fucking tongue removed on the 25th. This is along with removing the mass on his neck and doing a throat camera look. Somehow, I'm thinking there aren't shoes out there to compensate for a piece of your fucking tongue. Her "fundraiser" is all the more assholish in light of what my guy is going through. A giant FUCK YOU to Greta. And her fucking ugly ass shoes.
