The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

[ReneeHendricks]

Michael Grey, I skipped a lot of posts to get to the end and address your, "You people are doing Abbie a disservice."

where in the fuck did you get the idea that anyone here speaks for Abbie or that anyone in this forum speaks for anyone other than themselves?

when I see people on here say stuff I disagree with, I scroll down unless I'm in the mood for a debate. This forum in particular, because the whole purpose of it is a free speech forum. It's no ones job to police anyone else here. If it's too much for your fragile eyes, look away, snowflake.

You said snowflake. I'm totally in girl love :D

[Spence]

I notice in the comments of tweedledoo's post Eucliwood is referred to as "She (?)". Suddenly, gender neutral pronouns aren't that important any more. Can you imagine the outrage if we referred to, say, Natalie Reed in that way?

Ah, but it's okay when *they* do it.

[ReneeHendricks]

Warning to any newbies thinking of posting on Lousy Canuck's blog: he's been known to make public email and IP addy's of posters he dislikes - despite the fact that the site claims that your email will not be made public. Forewarned is forearmed, and all that.

I have a standing "double dog dare" statement that I'd love him to cross :D

[AbsurdWalls]

I want to make a “viscous” / “slime” comparison to bail you out, but nah.

Isn’t everything a slymepitter says by-definition “viscous”?

Balls, beaten to it.

I’d call that a simulpost. Also, I deferred! :D

The irony? The other was written by AbsurdWalls.

Irony? I assume he knows I post here, if not then good. It's appropriate that we're not judged on where else we've posted. I post here because I don't like moderation and I want to participate somewhere where I can disagree with people robustly without being told off or banned. I don't post on FTB because I don't get the impression that doing so would be particularly fruitful. In this case I couldn't resist the pun - though I was beaten to it by Thibeault.

[16bitheretic]

This Eucliwood/Lousy Canuck stuff is humorous, PZ's latest post about guns and Sam Harris makes me shake my head. Maybe I'll comment on it later when I'm not on my lunchbreak.

[Zenspace]

Thanks. I think I may have fucked up. I made a donation, but did it using the upper left donate button rather than the one near the 'thermometer'. Is there a way to make sure my donation is counted towards your total? It was for two full operations, if that helps.

Contact me directly at 1webdeveloper@gmail.com. I have a "support" ticket open as I think one or two donations didn't go through properly. I'll need your name. city and zip code and I can remedy this!

Renee, just sent the email with the info from the donation receipt. Sorry about the extra work. :doh:

[Tigzy]

So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….

Well, it might have helped Thimbledoo's case if he hadn't attempted to big up his appearance on his twitter page:

Skeptic, gamer, computer geek, feminist, atheist, asshole, Freethought Blogger, and damn good looking to boot

https://twitter.com/lousycanuck

[Mark Neil]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... d-quickly/

I consider, as I’ve said, this matter to be closed for the time being. Any further contact will be sent to the authorities

A little earnest and silly, yes. Crazy violent stalker requiring police involvement? NO.

Emphasis on silly.

But I do note how casually he takes this incident in comparison to how he and the rest of them take even the mildest disagreement when directed at a woman in their community. He's getting personal emails asking intimate details and fanfic written about him, and it's (rightfully) deemed harmless, if creepy. But say "I disagree" to Watson et al (sans penis) and you're a stalker, abuser and/or harasser.

[katamari Damassi]

Wow! This is getting really out of hand. Now McCreight is posting about her expensive new shoes.

[Steersman]

[spoiler]

So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….

[/spoiler]
Well, it might have helped Thimbledoo's case if he hadn't attempted to big up his appearance on his twitter page:

Skeptic, gamer, computer geek, feminist, atheist, asshole, Freethought Blogger, and damn good looking to boot

https://twitter.com/lousycanuck

Well, you might have a point there. Although one might wonder whether the response was unrelated to the offence - not too useful to swat the dog today for having pissed on the carpet last week - or somewhat disproportionate. Sort of like nuking Iran or North Korea ….

[Tigzy]

@Steersman

I fail to see how pricking Thimbledoo's little bubble of self-love is like nuking Iran or North Korea. But it's not the first time you've made such extreme yet nebulous comparisons. So yeah. Whatever. The sun is like a thermonuclear bomb, etc. etc.

[Edina Monsoon]

How nice that Slymepit got Teh Third Wave Of Atheism(tm) off its collective arse to do something good. The prettiest car in the world goes nowhere without an engine. :dance:

[Rystefn]

I'm not one of the nicer people here.

I'm still catching up, but QF motherfuckin' T. It's cool, though, because that's why we like you.

[AbsurdWalls]

This might not get through moderation on Thibeault's blog, so just in case I did post a response to:

January 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm AST (UTC -4)

Holy Crow, Jason, that’s disturbing as hell.
I agree with Sheila above–based on the content of this post and the comments Eucliwood left on the ‘Back From Vacation…’ post, stating that she is not an adult.

She may be pretending, of course, for additional creeper value. If she is really a juvenile, though, surely her ‘adults’ need to know what she’s up to online? Brrrrr.

I can't remember the text of it now. I asked whether she was suggesting that Thibeault should contact Eucliwood's parents. I said this was a bad idea because:

1) It would make Thibeault look like a massive creeper to Eucliwood's parents.
2) It would be doxxing.
3) Eucliwood may have issues that are secret from her parents (i.e. could be trans, could have posted damaging stuff about her parents online, etc.) in which case outing her online identity to her parents could be very unfair.

I then suggested they just ignore her.

RE point 1, I am wondering whether Eucliwood's intent might have been to drag Thibeault into a damaging association with a minor? I am trying to understand where she was coming from with this stuff and that's one possibility.

[Steersman]

Michael [Gray], I skipped a lot of posts to get to the end and address your, "You people are doing Abbie a disservice."

where in the fuck did you get the idea that anyone here speaks for Abbie or that anyone in this forum speaks for anyone other than themselves?

At one point in the previous incarnation, if I’m not mistaken, she alluded to or suggested, seriously or in jest, that this place was sort of her “monument” – a bastion of free speech and testament to those not willing to drink the FTB Kool-Aid. Which more than a few here have, in word or deed, indicated some allegiance or commitment to. Why else, among other examples, do you think Lsuoma was criticized for giving some thought to banning Eucliwood or limiting her access?

when I see people on here say stuff I disagree with, I scroll down unless I'm in the mood for a debate. This forum in particular, because the whole purpose of it is a free speech forum. It's no one’s job to police anyone else here. If it's too much for your fragile eyes, look away, snowflake.

Sure. Anybody can make any comment they like – although pornography seems to be beyond the pale even if the definition of that tends to be somewhat problematic.

But cluttering up the forum with pointless juvenile insults seems rather counter-productive. And, considering that there’s no or little banning here, one might wonder how you might feel if, assuming your photo is of you, every second or third comment was a nasty allusion to your physiology or “fake” mustasche?

[Gefan]

I'm going to totally PWN you by donating to a cause that helps you! I AM TEH GREATEST!

Well you can't really argue with the ... *outcomes*. Good on A+.

Melissa McEwan over at Shakesville believes that Kathryn Bigelow did not get an oscar nomination because she's a woman. Kathryn Bigelow won a best director oscar for The Hurt Locker in 2010.

I haven't seen that, but she should've got one for Point Break. Because motherfuck I love that movie.

Got two words for ya: "Near Dark".

[Maximus]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... d-quickly/

I consider, as I’ve said, this matter to be closed for the time being. Any further contact will be sent to the authorities

A little earnest and silly, yes. Crazy violent stalker requiring police involvement? NO.

Emphasis on silly.

But I do note how casually he takes this incident in comparison to how he and the rest of them take even the mildest disagreement when directed at a woman in their community. He's getting personal emails asking intimate details and fanfic written about him, and it's (rightfully) deemed harmless, if creepy. But say "I disagree" to Watson et al (sans penis) and you're a stalker, abuser and/or harasser.

You forgot rape enabler, rape apologist, misogynits, potential rapist,..

[cunt]

Hey everyone i'm a gamer. That's right, a large part of my identity can be summed up with a simple reference to the type of entertainment I like to consume.

[codelette]

[spoiler]

So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….

[/spoiler]
Well, it might have helped Thimbledoo's case if he hadn't attempted to big up his appearance on his twitter page:

Skeptic, gamer, computer geek, feminist, atheist, asshole, Freethought Blogger, and damn good looking to boot

https://twitter.com/lousycanuck

Well, you might have a point there. Although one might wonder whether the response was unrelated to the offence - not too useful to swat the dog today for having pissed on the carpet last week - or somewhat disproportionate. Sort of like nuking Iran or North Korea ….

Actually, my reply was based on Eucli's question about if anybody on this forum found him handsome. No, I do not.

[AbsurdWalls]

Sounds like Twitter has a pretty major bug:

January 10, 2013 at 11:17 am (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Oh, I have Renee blocked on Twitter. Unfortunately, Twitter doesn’t always remember that consistently for me. So, yesterday morning, I woke up to that in my mentions.

[Rystefn]

This quote, "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." has always annoyed me. It is so dumb in usage... as if "freedom" is more important than security, no matter what. It only gets by due to the hyped-up attitude it carries. It can be used for all sorts of situations - heard it too many times in gun debate. It can be used when it comes to the entire jail system. "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." That's plenty of freedom we throw out, and we even pay tax on it. I have never heard that quote being used in a wise way. Only when security definitely deserves consideration over freedom. Frustrating.

If you've never heard the quote being used in a wise way, you haven't been been attention. By far, the most common usage of it in the past decade has been as a criticism of the bullshit war on terror in the U.S. Warrantless wiretapping, suspension of habeas corpus, bullshit security theatre by the TSA, the motherfucking Patriot Act. that sort of thing. All right and proper uses of the phrase to express contempt of the way things have been handles in the U.S. since 9/11.

Also, fuck the entire jail system. It's a broken piece of shit that more often than not does the opposite of help.

[Tkmlac]

A short note on the question of whether or not rape is treated as more harmful than other crimes due to a culture's twisted idea of sex: It's really not. It's akin to torture in a lot of ways. Someone is literally holding you down and using your body to pleasure themself against your will. It will probably be the worst thing that ever happened to the victim and the memory of it won't fade. That being said, wearing it as a shield for criticism is an insult. Everyone is going to deal with it in their own way and their own time. Availability of counseling services should be of utmost importance for those who suffer trauma so much that it rules their lives. And that's all I'll say about that.

[nippletwister]

assuming the image was only comparing AR-15's to hammers is flat out incorrect

You are the one to bring up the AR-15. Pointing out that the image was comparing only a small subset of firearms deaths (those involving "assualt weapons") to the entire corpus of blunt objects and not just hammers is flat out correct. What you conclude from that is up to you. What I conclude is that it is not just those seeking to ban weapons who are fond of rabbit holes.

Stop. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon".

"Assault Weapon"......is that like a "Food Fork"? Just don't keep one in your "Travel Vehicle" when you go to "Education School"!

[John Brown]

This quote, "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." has always annoyed me. It is so dumb in usage... as if "freedom" is more important than security, no matter what. It only gets by due to the hyped-up attitude it carries. It can be used for all sorts of situations - heard it too many times in gun debate. It can be used when it comes to the entire jail system. "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." That's plenty of freedom we throw out, and we even pay tax on it. I have never heard that quote being used in a wise way. Only when security definitely deserves consideration over freedom. Frustrating.

If you've never heard the quote being used in a wise way, you haven't been been attention. By far, the most common usage of it in the past decade has been as a criticism of the bullshit war on terror in the U.S. Warrantless wiretapping, suspension of habeas corpus, bullshit security theatre by the TSA, the motherfucking Patriot Act. that sort of thing. All right and proper uses of the phrase to express contempt of the way things have been handles in the U.S. since 9/11.

Also, fuck the entire jail system. It's a broken piece of shit that more often than not does the opposite of help.

I would open up the gates to every prison in America tomorrow if I could (save for people who actually committed violent crimes). It's pretty much the modern equivalent of slavery.

Also, don't forget the current spate of mass deportations, often cruelly splitting families up (parents get deported, kids go to foster care).

Yeah, fuck every single bit of all of that. Everything you mentioned plus scads more.

This is the kind of social injustice A+ *should* be talking about.

[UnbelieveSteve]

My take on Greta's ShoeTroversy.
When did she say she will donate the overflow?
...........crickets............
That's what i thought.

http://shoegate3.blogspot.com.au/

[Reap]

I guess Jen McWrong's stableboy removed her blinders and allowed her hoofs to touch the computer.

Are you willing to post a recent photo of yourself, as well as your physical age?

Oh MKG, you're just angry because you're good friends with Jen. After all, your profile pic shows her giving you a ride.

Now that shit is FUNNY!

[nippletwister]

It looks like Aron Ra has finally accepted the FTB/Skepchick kool-aid and posted a defense of all things Twatson. He classes patriarchy deniers with moon landing deniers and holocaust deniers. Because obviously there is as much evidence for patriarchy as there is for the holocaust, but if you ask to see it you're a misogynist. He also tries to smear Tf00t by associating him with trolls who have posted in the comments of his youtube vids. Damn! I liked him. Now just about all I have left at FTB is Zingularity and Kagin.

For the most part, Hank Fox has been cool too. He's a good writer and seems to be a genuinely thoughtful and understanding human being. I've liked him since he was part of the now-defunct Unscrewing the Inscrutable a few years back. Over the last year or so, he's done a tiny wee bit of hand-wringing about male privilege and white privilege, but he doesn't seem to hate his own white male self enough to fully jump on board the victimization bandwagon. I guess time will tell, although it seems he's been slowing down a bit on the blogging as of late. It must be hard to meaningfully address humanistic issues on that network without hitting any of the "privilege" land mines the other bloggers like to throw around.

[Tkmlac]

Michael [Gray], I skipped a lot of posts to get to the end and address your, "You people are doing Abbie a disservice."

where in the fuck did you get the idea that anyone here speaks for Abbie or that anyone in this forum speaks for anyone other than themselves?

At one point in the previous incarnation, if I’m not mistaken, she alluded to or suggested, seriously or in jest, that this place was sort of her “monument” – a bastion of free speech and testament to those not willing to drink the FTB Kool-Aid. Which more than a few here have, in word or deed, indicated some allegiance or commitment to. Why else, among other examples, do you think Lsuoma was criticized for giving some thought to banning Eucliwood or limiting her access?

when I see people on here say stuff I disagree with, I scroll down unless I'm in the mood for a debate. This forum in particular, because the whole purpose of it is a free speech forum. It's no one’s job to police anyone else here. If it's too much for your fragile eyes, look away, snowflake.

Sure. Anybody can make any comment they like – although pornography seems to be beyond the pale even if the definition of that tends to be somewhat problematic.

But cluttering up the forum with pointless juvenile insults seems rather counter-productive. And, considering that there’s no or little banning here, one might wonder how you might feel if, assuming your photo is of you, every second or third comment was a nasty allusion to your physiology or “fake” mustasche?

In that case, I wouldn't be perusing this forum for material for my blog like the FtBers do. People are gonna talk shit, so what? I've had plenty of people online call me any number of things and I don't go to their blogs, twitters, facebooks or forums to complain.

And what exactly are you implying about my moostache?

[AbsurdWalls]

Thinking about Eucliwood's nascence here has made me want to start a forum where the necessary delay between posts is very long, maybe as much as 24 hours. It would encourage such a radically different style of interacting with people, more like sending a letter than chatting. I think mainly though I just want to stop using this place to distract myself from writing my thesis.

[nippletwister]

This quote, "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." has always annoyed me. It is so dumb in usage... as if "freedom" is more important than security, no matter what. It only gets by due to the hyped-up attitude it carries. It can be used for all sorts of situations - heard it too many times in gun debate. It can be used when it comes to the entire jail system. "He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither." That's plenty of freedom we throw out, and we even pay tax on it. I have never heard that quote being used in a wise way. Only when security definitely deserves consideration over freedom. Frustrating.

If you've never heard the quote being used in a wise way, you haven't been been attention. By far, the most common usage of it in the past decade has been as a criticism of the bullshit war on terror in the U.S. Warrantless wiretapping, suspension of habeas corpus, bullshit security theatre by the TSA, the motherfucking Patriot Act. that sort of thing. All right and proper uses of the phrase to express contempt of the way things have been handles in the U.S. since 9/11.

Also, fuck the entire jail system. It's a broken piece of shit that more often than not does the opposite of help.

I would open up the gates to every prison in America tomorrow if I could (save for people who actually committed violent crimes). It's pretty much the modern equivalent of slavery.

Also, don't forget the current spate of mass deportations, often cruelly splitting families up (parents get deported, kids go to foster care).

Yeah, fuck every single bit of all of that. Everything you mentioned plus scads more.

This is the kind of social injustice A+ *should* be talking about.

Yeah, but there is very little status, prestige, career opportunities, or money in helping prisoners and Mexicans. And besides, the Hispanics treat their women badly, so it's better for the state to raise their children, and of course most prisoners are men who have probably done something horrible to a woman at some point in their lives and couldn't even succeed in society despite their awesome privilege, so it's better just to whine about the problems of completely free, educated middle-class women, and buy new shoes.


That first sentence was not sarcasm.

[Altair]

And what exactly are you implying about my moostache?

It's a very nice White Moustache Of Authority.

[Reap]

Michael Grey, I skipped a lot of posts to get to the end and address your, "You people are doing Abbie a disservice."

where in the fuck did you get the idea that anyone here speaks for Abbie or that anyone in this forum speaks for anyone other than themselves?

when I see people on here say stuff I disagree with, I scroll down unless I'm in the mood for a debate. This forum in particular, because the whole purpose of it is a free speech forum. It's no ones job to police anyone else here. If it's too much for your fragile eyes, look away, snowflake.

Gonna have to agree with that. I just speak for me.

[Tkmlac]

My take on Greta's ShoeTroversy.
When did she say she will donate the overflow?
...........crickets............
That's what i thought.

http://shoegate3.blogspot.com.au/

Hmm. I think I first heard it here. MYKERUUUU!!

[Tkmlac]

And what exactly are you implying about my moostache?

It's a very nice White Moustache Of Authority.

I just said "fuck yeah" and pumped the air with my fist.

[Rystefn]

I guess Jen McWrong's stableboy removed her blinders and allowed her hoofs to touch the computer.

Are you willing to post a recent photo of yourself, as well as your physical age?

Once again: That makes it totally kosher for me to call her a horse-faced hag, right? Because she's a horse-faced hag, and I don't feel bad about saying it.

[Scented Nectar]

Well, it seems Eucliwood has creeped out Thimbledoo enough to write a whole blog post on it. I have to admit to having some sympathy with Thimbledoo on the matter, even though I really can't figure out if the Barking Fetus is working on some massive troll/poe operation or is genuinely mental. She creeps me out more than enough, anyway.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... d-quickly/

Pity that Eucliwood - if she does genuinely have 'issues' - didn't ask for some more advice here about Thimbledoo before hitting that 'send' button. I think at the very least she should have been informed that Thimbledoo is notorious for releasing private info on correspondents he dislikes.

Well, I'm no longer defending that little prick against Eucliwood's weird sexual stalkiness. I just wrote a very supportive comment, as well as a second one totally polite in response to morons Xanthe and Raging Bee, and both comments are now gone. Hah! I withdraw any and all support of him on this issue. I don't much care if Eucli's picking on someone who is faking/conforming-to a fear of SlimePitters even if they leave polite, supportive comments.

I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that he IS Eucliwood and that he's faking his own creepy stalker girl threat, and well done! It fooled me, if that's the case. But, who knows, I mean sure, it's more of a gal thing among the baboons - faking threats, but guy baboons can do it too.

Here's what I wrote in the first comment (forgot to copy/paste the second before it dissappeared *poof*):

Howdy Jason, SlimePitter here. Just want to say that on this issue of what Eucliwood has written to and about you, that I'm totally on your side. By that, I mean that I consider her (or his, who knows?) actions/behaviour to be authentic harassment, and of a sexual nature as well.

Rather than just being some internet bravado insult or button-pushing pseudo-threat, I think she really does have these 'fiction' fantasies, and also that she is pushing this graphic stuff on you uninvited by taking it to email.

I don't call incidents stalkerish or sexually harassing easily. I'm kind of known for that, even. But, that's what you've got here.

I'm obviously late to the game here, re the entertainment value of Ewwood, but now that I no longer give a fuck if she stalks and/or sexually harasses Jason, and due to my comment being deleted I find myself wondering if she may be Jason himself (maybe he doesn't want me asking questions to prevent holes in story from showing, who knows?), I'll go make popcorn then pull up a chair.
:popcorn:

[Rystefn]

REALLY???

Okay, if design doesn't dictate purpose, go use a screen door as a submarine. Lemme know how that works out. That is, seriously, one of the stupidest things you could have said. If design doesn't dictate purpose, why bother at all? You can use anything to do anything. Need to fly 300 people cross-country? Sure, you can use a plane, but hey, I got a skateboard. After all, design doesn't dictate purpose.

You're making a stupid mistake, here. I wonder if you're doing it because you just have to argue every single point on the side, just like you accuse Brown of doing. What you're saying has less than nothing to do with design dictating purpose. It has to do with utility dictating use. I do not own a hammer. Why? Because whether or not they were designed for it, I'm surrounded by things that can be used for anything a hammer might be used for, so the fucking thing would be taking up space for no good reason. I've driven nails with shoes, screwdrivers, wrenches, axe-handles, staplers, table legs, and all sorts of random shit, none of which was designed with the idea that it would ever be used for that, I'm sure. Shit, I pistol-whipped one into place once. For other things hammers were designed for, I've gotten even more creative. For fuck's sake, people refer to my method of doing shit as "the wrong tool for the right job." I did it all on purpose.

The reason you don't fly on a skateboard has fuck all to do with what it was designed for and everything to do with how useful it can made for that purpose. Of course, you know all this already. You just forgot it in the moment because you were trying to win an argument. Remove the plank from your own eye, dude. You're smarter than this.

[AbsurdWalls]

snip

That's weird, he's still publishing my comments and he let Renee post one too. Is there a reason why he would have something in particular against you?

[masakari2012]

WILL THERE BE MORE SURLY GRANTS?
http://skepchick.org/2013/01/will-there ... ly-grants/

[another lurker]

WILL THERE BE MORE SURLY GRANTS?
http://skepchick.org/2013/01/will-there ... ly-grants/

I wish she would have provided actual examples of these 'hateful messages' other than the one person making fun of her. :think:

[masakari2012]

She's just looking to make more money.

[AbsurdWalls]

WILL THERE BE MORE SURLY GRANTS?
http://skepchick.org/2013/01/will-there ... ly-grants/

I can't find anything there to disagree with. I do wonder whether the guys sent to the "Women in Secularism" conference will be men who are already on board with all of that or men who have different ideas. In order to be analagous to the "we need to get women represented in secularism" grants I imagine you would want to send men who disagree with the women there.

Amy quite obviously found herself in a role that she wasn't comfortable with holding: that of somebody who spoke for women in the atheist movement. It seems like she mainly wants to make her jewellery and contribute in a sort-of background way now and I don't think that should be discouraged. I will not however be embarrassed by being one of a set of people who don't get on with the official FTB/Skepchick narrative just because there are other people on this side who act in a shitty way.

[AbsurdWalls]

Well, it seems Eucliwood has creeped out Thimbledoo enough to write a whole blog post on it. I have to admit to having some sympathy with Thimbledoo on the matter, even though I really can't figure out if the Barking Fetus is working on some massive troll/poe operation or is genuinely mental. She creeps me out more than enough, anyway.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... d-quickly/

Pity that Eucliwood - if she does genuinely have 'issues' - didn't ask for some more advice here about Thimbledoo before hitting that 'send' button. I think at the very least she should have been informed that Thimbledoo is notorious for releasing private info on correspondents he dislikes.

Well, I'm no longer defending that little prick against Eucliwood's weird sexual stalkiness. I just wrote a very supportive comment, as well as a second one totally polite in response to morons Xanthe and Raging Bee, and both comments are now gone. Hah! I withdraw any and all support of him on this issue. I don't much care if Eucli's picking on someone who is faking/conforming-to a fear of SlimePitters even if they leave polite, supportive comments.

I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that he IS Eucliwood and that he's faking his own creepy stalker girl threat, and well done! It fooled me, if that's the case. But, who knows, I mean sure, it's more of a gal thing among the baboons - faking threats, but guy baboons can do it too.

Here's what I wrote in the first comment (forgot to copy/paste the second before it dissappeared *poof*):

Howdy Jason, SlimePitter here. Just want to say that on this issue of what Eucliwood has written to and about you, that I'm totally on your side. By that, I mean that I consider her (or his, who knows?) actions/behaviour to be authentic harassment, and of a sexual nature as well.

Rather than just being some internet bravado insult or button-pushing pseudo-threat, I think she really does have these 'fiction' fantasies, and also that she is pushing this graphic stuff on you uninvited by taking it to email.

I don't call incidents stalkerish or sexually harassing easily. I'm kind of known for that, even. But, that's what you've got here.

I'm obviously late to the game here, re the entertainment value of Ewwood, but now that I no longer give a fuck if she stalks and/or sexually harasses Jason, and due to my comment being deleted I find myself wondering if she may be Jason himself (maybe he doesn't want me asking questions to prevent holes in story from showing, who knows?), I'll go make popcorn then pull up a chair.
:popcorn:

Your comments are posted now. Thibeault is blaming his spam filter.

If only we had an edit button!

[cunt]

I do not own a hammer. Why? Because whether or not they were designed for it, I'm surrounded by things that can be used for anything a hammer might be used for, so the fucking thing would be taking up space for no good reason. I've driven nails with shoes, screwdrivers, wrenches, axe-handles, staplers, table legs, and all sorts of random shit.

Bullshit.

[cunt]

I cannot afford the space that a hammer would take up. Oh well, best hammer this nail in with me reeboks.

[AbsurdWalls]

Who is this Anthony K guy? Every time I see him comment on FTB he just seems to be taking swipes at people.

[Altair]

I can't find anything there to disagree with. I do wonder whether the guys sent to the "Women in Secularism" conference will be men who are already on board with all of that or men who have different ideas. In order to be analagous to the "we need to get women represented in secularism" grants I imagine you would want to send men who disagree with the women there.

Amy quite obviously found herself in a role that she wasn't comfortable with holding: that of somebody who spoke for women in the atheist movement. It seems like she mainly wants to make her jewellery and contribute in a sort-of background way now and I don't think that should be discouraged. I will not however be embarrassed by being one of a set of people who don't get on with the official FTB/Skepchick narrative just because there are other people on this side who act in a shitty way.

I agree with you too. It's good that she's trying to do something for the opposite gender for a change, although I disagree about her calling it a "myth". It took a great deal of pressure and exposure of their "women only grants" for her to realize that men should be helped too.
It's good that she changed, but it would have been better if she had done so from the beginning.

From what I've read about Amy and from Amy, she sounds like a slightly naive person who found herself in the Skepchick tsunami and just went along, unlike PZ and Rebecca who know exactly what they're doing and why.

[somedumbguy]

Thinking about Eucliwood's nascence here has made me want to start a forum where the necessary delay between posts is very long, maybe as much as 24 hours. It would encourage such a radically different style of interacting with people, more like sending a letter than chatting. I think mainly though I just want to stop using this place to distract myself from writing my thesis.

I've thought of something similar, not just for here, but actually at forums that claim, like FtB or most feminist blogs (and many liberal and conservative blogs) that claim to champion speech but don't, that:

+ Everyone should be limited to some number of posts, say 5 in a thread, or in some 24 hour period.
+ Each post should be marked with how many posts that commenter has left.

I think this would

a) help keep threads on topic, help keep responses valuable
b) create a barrier to mindless pile-ons
c) keep people from demanding you respond to me
d) keep people from crying "and then you ran away"
d) allow commenters to have their say and then get back to work without feeling they had to monitor the thread for the next week because 1) they had their say, and 2) in a manner fair to all, they have no ability to respond to they may as well just ignore it.

I doubt anyone would adopt this except perhaps forums where it is not needed.

[cunt]

Who is this Anthony K guy? Every time I see him comment on FTB he just seems to be taking swipes at people.

That's just brownian. He's one of PZs house trolls.

[HoneyWagon]

http://i.imgur.com/oFX4f.png

[nippletwister]

More of the above:




Grrr, damn these draconian posting requirements: "You cannot make another post so soon after your last."

Worth a repost. Some of those are hilarious.

A bit repetitive, but fucking hilarious. Strangely enough, my girlfriend will probably like them even more than me!

[Altair]

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/oFX4f.png[/spoiler]

Almost everything sounds like their typical chat, but even trying to think out of the box I can't imagine why the pitters should be angry :think:

[Mark Neil]

I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that he IS Eucliwood and that he's faking his own creepy stalker girl threat, and well done! It fooled me, if that's the case. But, who knows, I mean sure, it's more of a gal thing among the baboons - faking threats, but guy baboons can do it too.

Highly unlikely. He seems to be more dismissive of the incident than victimy, which he would want to be if this was him creating drama. As we all well know, they know how to turn anything into a victimization, and the fact he isn't, that he seems to want to play it down (as harmless), makes me think he is uncomfortable with the idea, perhaps learning for the first time what it really feels like to be harassed. And as I alluded to earlier, i think it speaks a lot for who they see as acceptable victims. The men can't be victims even if it is stalkerish behavior, but the women are victimized by Mykeru simply saying goodbye.

[AbsurdWalls]

I can't find anything there to disagree with. I do wonder whether the guys sent to the "Women in Secularism" conference will be men who are already on board with all of that or men who have different ideas. In order to be analagous to the "we need to get women represented in secularism" grants I imagine you would want to send men who disagree with the women there.

Amy quite obviously found herself in a role that she wasn't comfortable with holding: that of somebody who spoke for women in the atheist movement. It seems like she mainly wants to make her jewellery and contribute in a sort-of background way now and I don't think that should be discouraged. I will not however be embarrassed by being one of a set of people who don't get on with the official FTB/Skepchick narrative just because there are other people on this side who act in a shitty way.

I agree with you too. It's good that she's trying to do something for the opposite gender for a change, although I disagree about her calling it a "myth". It took a great deal of pressure and exposure of their "women only grants" for her to realize that men should be helped too.
It's good that she changed, but it would have been better if she had done so from the beginning.

From what I've read about Amy and from Amy, she sounds like a slightly naive person who found herself in the Skepchick tsunami and just went along, unlike PZ and Rebecca who know exactly what they're doing and why.

She's quite clearly a lover not a fighter, which is nice when a lot of people seem to have got involved in online atheism because they like picking fights. Some of the stuff that came out with the t-shirts and the fake jewellery was a bit face-palmy but that's just a reason for her to be a back-bencher rather than a policy-maker (yes, that much-quoted policy suggestion was stupid).

As far as I'm concerned she didn't need to add the grants for men. She's raising the money and she's welcome to spend it on what she wants. Seeing as she's separated out the money-raising for the two sets of grants I would also bet that she won't make nearly as much for men as she does for women.

[Outwest]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/oFX4f.png

[/spoiler]

There's just too much to laugh at here. Why would anyone here be angry or embarrassed? Great! You're actually doing something instead of sitting behind your keyboards all day bashing those that disagree with you. I hope you're very sucessful.

[Rystefn]

So am I the only one who thought the Eucliwood/LousyCanuck slashfic was funny as fuck? I hope that's what she sent to him.

I was nauseated. Not because of how graphic the messages were, but because LC totally dries up all my mucous membranes and just seeing his pic makes me vomit a little inside my mouth.

Maybe you too would like to post your picture so that he and others can make a similar judgement of you?

How old did you say you were? ….

Just jumping in to take yet another opportunity to say it: It's totally kosher for me to make fun of his looks, then? Because I wouldn't fuck him with Half-fish's dick.

[bubblesort]

I do not own a hammer. Why? Because whether or not they were designed for it, I'm surrounded by things that can be used for anything a hammer might be used for, so the fucking thing would be taking up space for no good reason. I've driven nails with shoes, screwdrivers, wrenches, axe-handles, staplers, table legs, and all sorts of random shit.

Sounds like the world is your hammer then. Aside from the existential issues with simultaneously not owning a hammer and all of your posessions being hammers, this brings up a more pressing issue:

If you had a hammer, would you hammer in the morning?
Would you hammer in the evening?
Would you hammer of love between a brother and a sister?

[AbsurdWalls]

Thinking about Eucliwood's nascence here has made me want to start a forum where the necessary delay between posts is very long, maybe as much as 24 hours. It would encourage such a radically different style of interacting with people, more like sending a letter than chatting. I think mainly though I just want to stop using this place to distract myself from writing my thesis.

I've thought of something similar, not just for here, but actually at forums that claim, like FtB or most feminist blogs (and many liberal and conservative blogs) that claim to champion speech but don't, that:

+ Everyone should be limited to some number of posts, say 5 in a thread, or in some 24 hour period.
+ Each post should be marked with how many posts that commenter has left.

I think this would

a) help keep threads on topic, help keep responses valuable
b) create a barrier to mindless pile-ons
c) keep people from demanding you respond to me
d) keep people from crying "and then you ran away"
d) allow commenters to have their say and then get back to work without feeling they had to monitor the thread for the next week because 1) they had their say, and 2) in a manner fair to all, they have no ability to respond to they may as well just ignore it.

I doubt anyone would adopt this except perhaps forums where it is not needed.

It would also make moderation a lot easier due to less volume. You are right though that as an experiment it would be very difficult to carry out because you would need to kickstart it with a huge number of members in order to be effective. It would be fun to do it here for a week or so and see what happens elsewhere as the amount of content on the 'pit to take umbrage at dwindles.

[cunt]

I want to see Rystefyn knock a wall down with a stapler. Sledgehammers are pussies!

[Steersman]

@Steersman

I fail to see how pricking Thimbledoo's little bubble of self-love is like nuking Iran or North Korea.

Because the response was disproportionate to the offense. And because I think it was, as indicated, sort of like swatting the dog today for having pissed on the carpet last month – the poor beast [please note sacha, that no dog was hurt in filming this analogy …] is unlikely to draw the necessary conclusion and so the effort is wasted if not counterproductive.

But it's not the first time you've made such extreme yet nebulous comparisons. So yeah. Whatever. The sun is like a thermonuclear bomb, etc. etc.

You mean, sort of like Paul Kirby’s “grammar-nazis” and “femistasi” and “feminazi”? And Benson’s comparison of TAM to Nazi Germany?

But that does bring up an interesting concept – the nature of analogies and what constitutes valid and invalid ones – that I had intended to address in response to your last comment in our previous discussion on various insults and responses to them. For an interesting and somewhat amusing case in point you might want to take a look at Noelplum’s recent (?) video on Matt Dillahunty’s analogy of a person’s home with Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.

In any case, it seems the essence of an analogy is comparing elements in two scenarios that exhibit some degree of similarity, the simplest example of which might be simple numerical ratios. For example, saying that case A exhibiting the ratio of 3 to 5 [3:5] is analogous to another case B exhibiting the ratio of 6 to 10 [6:10 =>6/10 = 3/5]. But most analogies also seem to manifest or require some significant levels of identity, an example of which is provided by comparing two congruent triangles, say ones with sides of 3-4-5 and 6-8-10. And in that case the sides show the same ratios – 3:4 = 6:8 – but the corresponding angles are identical.

So in the case of Paul Kirby’s example, it is obvious, as she said, that calling someone a “grammar-nazi” says nothing about their designs on Poland but only provides an amusing allusion to some obsessiveness:

There are many of us who are proud to be called Grammarnazis and who know perfectly well that no aspersions are being cast on our intentions towards either Jews or Poland. It might be considered distasteful that the suffix -nazi has come to be used simply to mean “extremist” or "obsessive", but nevertheless, it has come to be so used, and The Sisterhood of the Oppressed cannot legitimately chalk it up as yet another example of their alleged victimization.

In which case, one might argue, the identical element is the name itself while the ratios are the magnitudes of oppression, and the nature of the rules and regulations to be imposed without that at all suggesting that the authoritarianism extends beyond a narrow scope.

Similarily with my analogy between the sun and a thermonuclear bomb. In both cases 2 hydrogen ions are fused together to produce a helium ion and energy, although the difference is that the energy source in the two cases is, if I’m not mistaken, gravitational versus a fission reaction. But my point in that was that there are two cases where the principle relating the elements is the same even though some elements are of different scales or magnitudes.

And that analogy was used to justify or illustrate, I thought, my response to the “micro-aggression” of CommanderTuvok’s insult of me. And considering that micro-aggressions turn into mini-agressions which turn into macro-agressions – something that Mykeru’s signature illustrates or suggests – it is frequently wise – somewhat analogous to what the Western Powers should have done in reponse to Hitler’s invasion of Czechoslovakia – to nip things in the bud.

Q.E.D. – so to speak.