The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

[Ape+lust]

Thanks much. I think I'll avoid using the Adobe products due to the licensing issues, and look at some of the free options you listed. Appreciated.

Sure thing. Try to check them out in the order I listed. I haven't used paint.NET, but it was an immediate hit when first released. It's users luuurve that program, which means there are more tutorials and communities available than for the others. However, it's at a bit of a crossroads at the moment, with the original developer having departed and development slowing a bit under the new guy. Still, it supposed to be good stuff and probably the one you should go with.

Pinta is newer and created explicitly to be a FOSS paint.NET clone. Development is moving at a nice clip. If you choose Pinta, I'm able to install it on my Linux system for reference if you want help.

Don't think twice about asking for help.

[Eucliwood]

Rystefn. Fuck you. I am not a lightning rod for your insecure masculinity. Thwap your cock on someone else for a change.

Actually, he has a very valid point, and it has nothing to do with masculinity. As you can see, I have also made the point multiple times, and I do not have a cock. This is a very FtB-like tactice. "You're just saying that to ___ (something that amounts to picking at you or making you look bad." Nice way to not address the post at all. He has a point. You can dish out all the attitude loaded licks but you can't take an honest, needed one?

[Mykeru]

Welch and Mykeru, thank you for sharing your stories. The whiniest people are often those who have had the easiest lives. Yet, they will call you two "privileged". What a joke. I have mentioned briefly before that I was abducted and raped when I was twelve. I too had to make a choice how I wanted to live my life...did I want to be a victim or did I want to be a survivor? I chose to be a survivor.

And praising you for overcoming it, as much as you could, is not the same as minimizing what happened to you or yelling "get over it".

Empathy doesn't have an on/off switch, it's capable of infinite nuance. We can simultaneously hold that being raped at twelve is an unimaginably horrible thing -- all abuse when visited on children is just that much more horrible-- and be awed by how you survived and even thrived.

Did I mention I worked for Head Start? That my then GF, the one whose sister was murdered in such a horrible, selfish, pointless way, was an investigator for CPS? That she herself was abused by her stepfather? That the abuse escalated until it couldn't be hidden, that he hit her until her head bounced off a wall into the next blow and she thought to herself "I am a basketball". When her mother found out, she chased the guy out of the house with a cleaver?

How many of these fuckers, who feign empathy and compassion so as to suck money for new shoes and are willing to sell the movement down the fucking toilet for the buffet at a conference actually worked in social services in any capacity? Nah, because the easy money is in talking shit and scraping up the cash.

We can feel for you without understanding. I admit, I can't understand what happened to you was like. If I did I would be so full of shit. But I can empathize to the best of my limited grasp.

And I honor you, and your strength, and the maxim "the best revenge is living well" for moving past it. Not forgetting it. Not pretending it's no big deal. But for transcending.

The thing that really bothers me is the low view of people expressed by the professional victims. As if they are defined by nothing more than the bad things that happened to them, or more likely could happen to them, or they imagine will happen, or something.

If we are just the sum of our experiences, and the bad ones at that, then just what are we?

On one hand I get frustrated by Ophelia Benson and Melody Hensley just making shit up, claiming that the people we are -- in their feeble, nasty rat's ass imaginations -- are inevitably violent or stalkers or bullies, but then that annoyance is mitigated by the pity I feel for people, one of which is well into late, late middle age, that is a mental and emotional 12 year old.

Really, when they hold up their victimhood and show such disdain for how you overcame your worst experiences, you should just haul back and spit in their faces.

[Rystefn]

@ Rystefn I know.. I've told franc that multiple times. I've also pointed out that there are many posts being posted here, some people reply to past posts (I don't read them, to keep my own post count from exploding again), and that new posts appear while people are writing posts to what *was* the latest post. Also, many people here post things that should be judged as "content free" going by what other things franc has said are content free. (including franc's own posts, yes.) I've also told him that I cannot do anything about my explosion from posts from the past - they'll always be there. I'll always have a greater number of posts/time than other people, unless I post way less than needed just to impress or suck up to franc. I try hard - I refresh sometimes, I reply to multiple posts in one post, and I refrain from replyng to plenty of things - and he gives me no credit. Since nothing is good enough for him, and I'm tired of reading posts bitching about the number of posts I have and about how I'm a nothing of a character, I've put him on ignore.

Damn you for quoting his post. The context can be guessed with but your reply. That would've been better than reading his post. (kidding.. you didn't know).

Yeah, I gave up hope on that one a long time ago. It's fun to get him riled up, though, because he's one of those people who just can't let it go, no matter how much he yells at other people to do so. Something tells me he's sitting at his computer with that vein his forehead all poppin out, and I'm going to laugh so hard when it bursts.

[Rystefn]

Seriously, make your own fucking thread. The 1000 comment barrier has easily been broken a fair while back. Outside of being a checklist for logical fallacies, it is about as scintillating, and rational, as arguing about abortion. Folks have to understand that this quasi-religious fetish is not everyone's cup of tea, and no matter how crucial and important you may believe your opinion is, outside of your ego bubble, it's not. Every time the conversation seems to die down, like a zombie in a cheap horror flick it rises again from the grave and just keeps going.

So please, make your own thread. Pretty please?

Every time you comment just to bitch about people having a conversation you don't care about, I wonder if you realize that it makes you complaining about Eucli's "content-free spam" more hypocritical than anything every posted on FTB. Probably not, because you're special and wonderful and every fucking thought that drifts through your skull simply MUST be shared with the world. Ass.

Rystefn. Fuck you. I am not a lightning rod for your insecure masculinity. Thwap your cock on someone else for a change.

See what I mean? Everyone just desperately needed to see you projecting your masculinity issues onto me, did they? It added so much to the conversation.

[Skep tickle]

A+ Forum: 193 posts in the past 22.5 hrs
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That's sure some fancy calendarin' there, pardner!

LOLoops. Nice quote-fail, yourself, Lsuoma you powerful competent admin-type you. ;)

Tues January 8. They may be out of touch with reality, but I think the space-time continuum still holds over there.

[Altair]

[spoiler]

Welch and Mykeru, thank you for sharing your stories. The whiniest people are often those who have had the easiest lives. Yet, they will call you two "privileged". What a joke. I have mentioned briefly before that I was abducted and raped when I was twelve. I too had to make a choice how I wanted to live my life...did I want to be a victim or did I want to be a survivor? I chose to be a survivor.

And praising you for overcoming it, as much as you could, is not the same as minimizing what happened to you or yelling "get over it".

Empathy doesn't have an on/off switch, it's capable of infinite nuance. We can simultaneously hold that being raped at twelve is an unimaginably horrible thing -- all abuse when visited on children is just that much more horrible-- and be awed by how you survived and even thrived.

Did I mention I worked for Head Start? That my then GF, the one whose sister was murdered in such a horrible, selfish, pointless way, was an investigator for CPS? That she herself was abused by her stepfather? That the abuse escalated until it couldn't be hidden, that he hit her until her head bounced off a wall into the next blow and she thought to herself "I am a basketball". When her mother found out, she chased the guy out of the house with a cleaver?

How many of these fuckers, who feign empathy and compassion so as to suck money for new shoes and are willing to sell the movement down the fucking toilet for the buffet at a conference actually worked in social services in any capacity? Nah, because the easy money is in talking shit and scraping up the cash.

We can feel for you without understanding. I admit, I can't understand what happened to you was like. If I did I would be so full of shit. But I can empathize to the best of my limited grasp.

And I honor you, and your strength, and the maxim "the best revenge is living well" for moving past it. Not forgetting it. Not pretending it's no big deal. But for transcending.

The thing that really bothers me is the low view of people expressed by the professional victims. As if they are defined by nothing more than the bad things that happened to them, or more likely could happen to them, or they imagine will happen, or something.

If we are just the sum of our experiences, and the bad ones at that, then just what are we?

On one hand I get frustrated by Ophelia Benson and Melody Hensley just making shit up, claiming that the people we are -- in their feeble, nasty rat's ass imaginations -- are inevitably violent or stalkers or bullies, but then that annoyance is mitigated by the pity I feel for people, one of which is well into late, late middle age, that is a mental and emotional 12 year old.

Really, when they hold up their victimhood and show such disdain for how you overcame your worst experiences, you should just haul back and spit in their faces.[/spoiler]

I don't have your way with words (wish I did, though), so I'm just going to say I agree completely with what you said, and I also want to extend my respect to fascination, welch, you and everyone else here who overcame bad situations without letting them define them or becoming a victim.
I think it takes someone who has actually seen the dark places of humanity to recognize what's really harassment and violence and what's a victim complex.

[Pitchguest]

New comment. Too bad this is not a Poe.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... requested/

I gave a tiny, but needed reprimand of Ophelia in that blog post. It's getting on my nerves that she feels the need to air her dirty laundry everywhere and that she really thinks she somehow speaks for women in the atheist/sceptic community in any way.

[Ape+lust]

Stefanelli's org has Jerry Coyne scheduled for a talk in Atlanta for a mere $15.

@Ape Lust... The Jerry Coyne event is not being sponsored by "Stefanelli's org" so please get your facts straight before posting. The event is hosted by 2 local secular groups in Georgia, one of which is Fayette Freethought Society, the group I founded back in 2010. Stefanelli is no longer a member of our group.

Julie Williams

Cripes, I'm not getting anything right today. Apologies. Forget I mentioned the event.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Look, Zvan, since you're obviously reading this site, the problem isn't that you were sexually assaulted (the problem is never that you were sexually assaulted), the problem is you keep moaning about it every chance you get.

That's a right cunt's move from Pitchguest. A fucking despicable thing to say, and makes me suspect you're a 23-year old who got a bit vexed about something and posted without thinking. But that sounds like I'm trying to make an excuse for your words, and that ain't so.

Stefunny is "moaning" about being sexually assaulted? And you think she needs to stop doing that? On her own fucking blog?

"Moaning"? What a cunt's choice of words. Like she'd been short-changed at a supermarket one time.

Plus: "every chance she gets"? It's her fucking blog, she has infinite chances to refer to the assault. I don't remember the last time she did so. Yeah, there's a bunch of people trying to co-opt atheism's established structure and increasing public appeal in order to Trojan Horse the fringes of radical feminism into the mainstream. And they need resisting. Strongly.

But this was a new fucking low, in my opinion.

[Lurkion]

More propaganda from Ophelia Benson and Secular Woman president Kim Rippere on a new Ron Lindsey thread:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... requested/

#1 Kim Rippere (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:05pm
CFI Member, WiS attendee, and I just happen to be the President of Secular Woman. I am looking forward to meeting you at HEADS.

I think we need to find ways to better welcome, integrate, listen to, and accept women as equal participants in the secular community and social movement. I am including IRL and online.

Leaders need to be vocal in their support of women; otherwise, the main voices driving the conversation regarding feminism and secularism tend to be extreme and noninclusive. They alienate women in the movement and those that are checking the movement out to see if it is something of interest.

As for feminism influencing missions . . . YES. Secularism is about getting religion out of government. Much of how religion infests our government has to do with religious zealots attempting (and recently succeeding) to pass religious-based legislation regarding a women’s right to her own body. For this reason, for many women secularism and feminism are intimately intertwined.

#2 Ophelia Benson on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:33pm
What Kim said. Frankly I don’t have much hope at this point that the differences can be narrowed or resolved. With big name guys throwing vitriol at selected Enemy Women and all but holding them up as targets, it seems to me that women are just going to say the hell with it and stay away. I know several who have already decided that. That is of course the goal of the guys throwing vitriol, and I think they’re going to get their way.

#3 Kim Rippere (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:45pm
If they win and women stay away secularism will slowly dwindle and with it any hope that atheism and secularism will win the day. Instead it will be a group of people isolated in their beliefs that have no hope of making impact at any level. The hope that many have of a vibrant and impactful social movement rests on our ability to fully include women. IMO.

Isn't it fair to say that the women who are in secularism who won't back down are the ones who don't make everything about them being a woman and all they want to talk about how sexist we all are?

I blame the conference organizer for whenever Watson started this meme. Someone should've just turned off her mike and said "Sorry, the whackjobs are at the psychics' convention down the boulevard".

[Outwest]

Anyone one else feeling a strange gravitational pull? I think it must be Melody having a late night snack. With Mykeru living a lot closer, he must be holding on for dear life, fearing being pulled into the "Black Hole".

[Mykeru]

because he's one of those people who just can't let it go,

Pour yourself a beer, chicken-head:

http://www.oakleafbrewing.co.uk/images/ ... small).jpg

Now, all kidding aside, now that you've all done sever really boring, soul destroying rounds, if you all go meta and have a conversation about the conversation about the conversation, I will start kicking your asses.

Huh? What?

No, shut the fuck up.

[youtube]GX6pPfgLjvI[/youtube]

And you, Rystefn, fuck you buddy. Suck my zipple. You can't tell anyone shit for the rest of your life. Why? Because you're a fucking dry erase board for drunk, greasy fat chicks. Your dignity? It's stuck to a turd wrapped in TP bobbing in the Sargasso Sea about now.

[Eucliwood]

That's a right cunt's move from Pitchguest. A fucking despicable thing to say, and makes me suspect you're a 23-year old who got a bit vexed about something and posted without thinking. But that sounds like I'm trying to make an excuse for your words, and that ain't so.

Stefunny is "moaning" about being sexually assaulted? And you think she needs to stop doing that? On her own fucking blog?

"Moaning"? What a cunt's choice of words. Like she'd been short-changed at a supermarket one time.

Plus: "every chance she gets"? It's her fucking blog, she has infinite chances to refer to the assault. I don't remember the last time she did so. Yeah, there's a bunch of people trying to co-opt atheism's established structure and increasing public appeal in order to Trojan Horse the fringes of radical feminism into the mainstream. And they need resisting. Strongly.

But this was a new fucking low, in my opinion.

So, you're seriously from Freethought Blogs? Anyway, "moaning" clearly wasn't meant in the connotation of "complaining about something light" and you know it, so stop over demonizing people. I'm so tired of FtBers doing this - yes, someone can be a victim of sexual assault, all your post was was a bunch of "there is no level at which you can tell someone not to post about their assault so much that I wont criticize you for." Yes, there is a such thing as using your assault experience excessively. All you did was go "but its sexual assault! anyone that suggests that someone can use this too damn much is a monster!" and it's a very easy card to use. Big whoop.

I've been sexually assaulted multiple times, and I do not use these experiences... especially not as some sort of shield or level up. I really want to know the nature of Zvan's assault to see if it's even an assault like any of mine - what does she mean? It could be an ass slap for all I know. I do not trust her.

[Steersman]

@ Rystefn I know.. I'll always have a greater number of posts/time than other people, unless I post way less than needed just to impress or suck up to franc. I try hard - I refresh sometimes, I reply to multiple posts in one post, and I refrain from replyng to plenty of things - and he gives me no credit. ….

You don’t really need any credit from him or anybody else, although it’s nice to receive. But it’s a learning process for all of us – at least for most of us ….

P.S. Like your new signature. Although you might indicate its source ….

[Eucliwood]

@ Rystefn I know.. I'll always have a greater number of posts/time than other people, unless I post way less than needed just to impress or suck up to franc. I try hard - I refresh sometimes, I reply to multiple posts in one post, and I refrain from replyng to plenty of things - and he gives me no credit. ….

You don’t really need any credit from him or anybody else, although it’s nice to receive. But it’s a learning process for all of us – at least for most of us ….

P.S. Like your new signature. Although you might indicate its source ….

Okay, steersman, let me rephrase - he still bitches about me, as if I am doing the opposite of trying with my posting. That's very annoying. Imagine not doing many chores as rent at first, but then doing plenty, and someone going around bitching about your "no chores done" count while you go around busying yourself with chores... it would really annoy you, that one person makes it feel like its for nothing for a second.
I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

[Mark Neil]

[spoiler]A friend of mine, a long while ago, who is a reasonable fellow, once pointed me to an article in Vogue (or Cosmo, though I seem to recall it was Vogue) The question of the article was "Have you ever been sold fake tickets online?"

He brought this to my attention because both of us were exhausted by the conversations we had with seemingly smart people who could not see that Feminism was actually a negative movement. It did not wish, like the more established women's rights movement, for women to be treated as equals, though they claimed that.

The article's headline brought this home neatly. The question was not "Have you ever bought fake tickets?" Because to do so would be to admit two things.

1. Women are responsible actors.
2. Women make mistakes.

This lead me to look through my wife's glossy chinwagrags And time and time again from the Glossies to the Celebrity Stalker magazines there is a type of language that is used commonly to absolve women of any blame for anything usually with a subtle implication that whatever happens that is negative is somehow a man's fault. Fake-tits McAirhead, rolls around coked out of her mind half naked and preganant? Well it's not her fault, she just split up with her boyfriend.[/spoiler]

It really hit home to me when locally there was a case were a woman murdered her children, savagely, with a knife. I heard two women talking about it. The first had, in error, automatically assumed that it was the father and when corrected, when told no, it was the mother, replied "yeah, well I bet her man drove her to it."

Anecdotal, certainly, nor would I claim that even a large minority think this way, but it is clear to me, at this late stage that there are those fighting for women and human rights and those who just fear men. Feminism is increasingly a club for the latter bunch, a coterie of spoiled and vindictive shrews.

Reminds me of the comment by Judge Stong in the Elaine Campione case, where she drowned her own kids then claimed she did it because their father was abusive but was given custody of the kids, so she was "protecting" them. Her own mother testified on the fathers behalf and said it was her own daughter that was abusive... yet, the judge, after the jury had found her guilty, said "It is more than disconcerting to think that if Campione had not been so abused, so used and discarded as a person, her two daughters could still be alive…"

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... e-accused/

[Cunning Punt]

It was approved, and you got a response from Crommunist himself

Visions. You’re talking about having visions

Actually he’s NOT. The only reference to visions happens in the post-script of the post that you clearly didn’t bother reading. So I dunno, go fuck yourself and your manufactured outrage?

My head is spinning

Which must mean that your asshole is clean as a whistle by now.

You've got to admit, that's a good one.

(I think he must be banging half shark.)

[Rystefn]

because he's one of those people who just can't let it go,

Pour yourself a beer, chicken-head:

http://www.oakleafbrewing.co.uk/images/ ... small).jpg

Now, all kidding aside, now that you've all done sever really boring, soul destroying rounds, if you all go meta and have a conversation about the conversation about the conversation, I will start kicking your asses.

Huh? What?

No, shut the fuck up.

[youtube]GX6pPfgLjvI[/youtube]

And you, Rystefn, fuck you buddy. Suck my zipple. You can't tell anyone shit for the rest of your life. Why? Because you're a fucking dry erase board for drunk, greasy fat chicks. Your dignity? It's stuck to a turd wrapped in TP bobbing in the Sargasso Sea about now.

I don't recall ever claiming to have any dignity. You can level a lot of accusations at me, but at least I ain't a hypocrite.

[Pitchguest]

Look, Zvan, since you're obviously reading this site, the problem isn't that you were sexually assaulted (the problem is never that you were sexually assaulted), the problem is you keep moaning about it every chance you get.

That's a right cunt's move from Pitchguest. A fucking despicable thing to say, and makes me suspect you're a 23-year old who got a bit vexed about something and posted without thinking. But that sounds like I'm trying to make an excuse for your words, and that ain't so.

Stefunny is "moaning" about being sexually assaulted? And you think she needs to stop doing that? On her own fucking blog?

"Moaning"? What a cunt's choice of words. Like she'd been short-changed at a supermarket one time.

Plus: "every chance she gets"? It's her fucking blog, she has infinite chances to refer to the assault. I don't remember the last time she did so. Yeah, there's a bunch of people trying to co-opt atheism's established structure and increasing public appeal in order to Trojan Horse the fringes of radical feminism into the mainstream. And they need resisting. Strongly.

But this was a new fucking low, in my opinion.

Mmmm. Yeah. Okay. You misunderstand. Look, I wasn't trying to say she shouldn't ever refer to it. Clearly I was badly parsing it. Let me rephrase. What I object to in Stephanie Zvan's saying she's been sexually assaulted "every chance she gets" is that she uses it constantly as a victim card. Which wasn't meant to discount her sexual assault in any way, and I'm sorry it came out that way. A right cunt's move indeed. But it was more meant to illustrate how she keeps milking it for all it's worth. Yes, she has used it before - when she denigrated Dawkins, for one, and once more during the Ashley Miller kerfuffle. I'm forgetting another time when she brought it up as a novelty, anyway "every chance she gets" should maybe be revised as an exaggeration.

In fact, strike "every chance she gets". It was a poor choice of words. I also wasn't saying she couldn't write whatever she wanted on her own blog. Ehhh. Maybe I should just go to bed because I'm obviously not thinking straight.

[KiwiInOz]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

[mikelf]

Loving how every time one of them posts something they found on the 'Pit, they have to justify having gone there with "traffic stats," or "someone pointed this out."

Tee hee. I don't buy it either. There is always a good number of "guests" here at The Pit, and I have long suspected some of the Baboons keep tabs on what happens here. After all, somebody has to keep informing Ophelia of when someone says "CUNT". In fact, she's probably just been alerted to my usage in this message.

Return of Kibo...

franc is old and crusty enough to get that.

Indeed. I seem to also recall "GIF!" as the original incarnation of "Pics or it didn't happen."

[Eucliwood]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Well, I misremembered your avatar. Whatever you are, you're very cute, so please flounce away, honey.

[AndrewV69]

Damn you for quoting his post. The context can be guessed with but your reply. That would've been better than reading his post. (kidding.. you didn't know).

You guys are killing me, but yes by all means put each other on ignore who is winding you up.

Or not ... just realize I (and possibly others) are getting some very cheap entertainment out of this.

(and no peeking either)

[Eucliwood]

Damn you for quoting his post. The context can be guessed with but your reply. That would've been better than reading his post. (kidding.. you didn't know).

You guys are killing me, but yes by all means put each other on ignore who is winding you up.

Or not ... just realize I (and possibly others) are getting some very cheap entertainment out of this.

(and no peeking either)

To clarify, there was a post quoted by him by someone else. That's why I saw his post. Although I was interested in his reply to Rys's diss.

[AndrewV69]

New comment. Too bad this is not a Poe.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... requested/
[spoiler]

#4 Soraya Chemaly (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 7:11pm
HI - I’m a secular feminist writer and media critic and regularly write and speak on the topic of gender in culture. As a firm and vocal believer in secularism, I too, think that it is vital that as we develop this community we are aware of how thoroughly our broader cultural norms exclude women and their perspectives. And how easily these broader cultural norms are being seamlessly transferred into this environment as it grows. It’s not enough to say “we’ve invited women” or “there’s a woman presenting,” etc. Rather, we need good men who understand what is at stake and explicitly advocate as allies on behalf of women. We will not move the needle unless men engage in genuine bystander intervention to confront the perpetuation of very subtle but powerful influences that inhibit parity for women. Both as individuals and as members and usually leaders of institutions. Because of the simple fact that men literally rule - in politics, religion, media, etc. - they have a disproportionate cultural currency. How we leverage that currency in the secular world shouldn’t accidental, but should be deliberate - especially if you want to cultivate diversity and not just gender diversity. Because the understanding of difference that is the foundation of gender bias is the same one that serves to feed racial, ethnic, sexual and other biases. It seems to me that this cultural currency can either be spent to perpetuate patriarchy and misogyny and sexism or to create an environment where women, and others who do not conform to our prevalent norms - especially of leadership and visibility - are not only tolerated, but openly embraced as a class and where men with influence who are interested in doing the right thing and creating a more just world advocate on their behalf and are outspoken allies.

[/spoiler]

I would just tell her that your dance card is full, and suggest she go play with the baboons who are sure to be very appreciative of her insights into the issues.

[aweraw]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 498622.jpg

[KiwiInOz]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Well, I misremembered your avatar. Whatever you are, you're very cute, so please flounce away, honey.

[youtube]2H2BOGGUbm4[/youtube]

[Outwest]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

You had me laughing so hard, I was in tears, "Anteater Guy" :lol:

[KiwiInOz]

[spoiler]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

[/spoiler]


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 498622.jpg

:clap:

[Outwest]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

You had me laughing so hard, I was in tears, "Anteater Guy" :lol:

[Steersman]

@ Rystefn I know.. I'll always have a greater number of posts/time than other people, unless I post way less than needed just to impress or suck up to franc. I try hard - I refresh sometimes, I reply to multiple posts in one post, and I refrain from replyng to plenty of things - and he gives me no credit. ….

You don’t really need any credit from him or anybody else, although it’s nice to receive. But it’s a learning process for all of us – at least for most of us ….

P.S. Like your new signature. Although you might indicate its source ….

Okay, steersman, let me rephrase - he still bitches about me, as if I am doing the opposite of trying with my posting. That's very annoying. ….

Yes, I know; I receive the same type of needling, although I find at least some of it more hypocritical than annoying which I think is worthwhile pointing out for a number of what I think are quite good reasons – the credibility of The Pit being prime as it is sort of our “claim to fame”. And charges of being in with a pack of “haters” or giving “aid and comfort to them” outside of the pit, while not particularly credible, does give one pause.

However, your own reasons, while there may be some justification for them, seem rather obscure to say the least.

I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

Credit where credit is due ….

[Outwest]

Why do I press submit once, and some times get a double post?

[Altair]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

You had me laughing so hard, I was in tears, "Anteater Guy" :lol:

Same here, it was hilarious :lol:

[DownThunder]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Well, I misremembered your avatar. Whatever you are, you're very cute, so please flounce away, honey.

An anteater:
http://0.tqn.com/d/goaustralia/1/0/9/i/kiwi.jpg

A beaverduck:
http://www.amamoorlodge.com.au/images/p ... imming.jpg

A llamarabbit:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/pages/1232 ... -large.jpg


Thus concludes todays lesson on Australasian wildlife for American tourists.

[Tkmlac]

Well Ophelia, there's plenty of women involved in secularism that aren't backing down. There's Abbie Smith, Miranda Hale, Harriet Hall, Paula Kirby, Sara Mayhew, Barbara Drescher, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bridgit Gaudett, etc. Oh, and there's tons of women here on the Slymepit!

Damn straight. There is more dignity in their pinkies than people like Watson have.

[Ape+lust]

I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

There's room in mine...

[KiwiInOz]

[spoiler]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Well, I misremembered your avatar. Whatever you are, you're very cute, so please flounce away, honey.

[/spoiler]

An anteater:
http://0.tqn.com/d/goaustralia/1/0/9/i/kiwi.jpg

A beaverduck:
http://www.amamoorlodge.com.au/images/p ... imming.jpg

A llamarabbit:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/pages/1232 ... -large.jpg


Thus concludes todays lesson on Australasian wildlife for American tourists.

Don't forget Drop Bears.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8sllaaAJj1qad860.jpg

[Outwest]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Well, I misremembered your avatar. Whatever you are, you're very cute, so please flounce away, honey.

An anteater:
http://0.tqn.com/d/goaustralia/1/0/9/i/kiwi.jpg

A beaverduck:
http://www.amamoorlodge.com.au/images/p ... imming.jpg

A llamarabbit:
http://museumvictoria.com.au/pages/1232 ... -large.jpg


Thus concludes todays lesson on Australasian wildlife for American tourists.

STOP!(not really), I about to have a heart attack! :lol:

[KiwiInOz]

I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

There's room in mine...

Awww, guys. I'm feeling harassed. On the internet.

[AndrewV69]

So, you're seriously from Freethought Blogs?

Yes and no.

I would like to point out to you that the only unanimity among us is that PeeZuss Christ is a loon. Otherwise this is like being surrounded by <stereotypical ethnic group> in that any two of us are likely to have at least three opinions at a minimum on any given subject.

Understand?

[aweraw]

Awww, guys. I'm feeling harassed. On the internet.

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/ ... _playa.jpg

[Outwest]

I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

There's room in mine...

Awww, guys. I'm feeling harassed. On the internet.

Well, Zvan and Ophie would love to hear you story. Male sure you include beaverducks.

[astrokid.nj]

PeeZus touted his Indian minion Avicenna's "takedown" of an AVFM article on India. I dont debate feminists, but I thought I would just correct a seriously flawed fact. I really dont like people spreading fictitious memes about India. I will log it here as a record of their intellectual dishonesty.

Astrokid.NJ
January 9, 2013 at 3:48 AM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment

The police also opened fire on protesters with live ammunition. Women were willing to DIE for the right not to get raped to death. Oh if the young lady who got raped lived her assailants would have got just TWO YEARS in jail as a maximum sentence.

Are you sure about this?
Rape Laws in India

3. Gang Rape ( Sec.376 Subsection 2- g)
“Where a woman is raped by one or more in a group of persons acting in furtherance of their common intention, each of the persons shall be deemed to have committed gang rape within the meaning of this sub-section. ”
Thus even if five men force a women into having sexual intercourse with only one of them, the remaining four will also be considered to have committed rape under this law. Punishment
Rigorous imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than ten years but which may be for life and shall also be liable to fine: Provided that the court may, for adequate and special reasons to be mentioned in the judgment, impose a sentence of imprisonment of either description for a term of less than ten years.

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Shplane, Spess Alium
January 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM (UTC 5.5)
@Astrokid
Note the last part. The court is capable of offering a lower sentence. I don’t know, specifically, what was going on, and it may be caused by something else entirely, but presumably the courts often bend the meaning of “adequate and special” to provide much shorter sentences.

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Avicenna
January 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM (UTC 5.5)
...
I will admit, I was unaware of differences however a quick look through prior cases shows an average of 5 years of incarceration and most people getting off with a slap on the wrists and even fines. The judicial system is insufficiently geared towards prosecution of rape effectively because so many people walk free…
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A bunch of MRA’s whinging about queues is not what India needs. It’s the LAST thing that Indian women need.

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Astrokid.NJ
January 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM (UTC 5.5)
@Avicenna:
For full disclosure, I am an MRA and I hang out at AVFM, and I am Indian. Of course, our opinions are poles apart, and we arent getting into any dialogue anytime soon.


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Nepenthe
January 9, 2013 at 12:33 PM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment
I love Astrokid’s 14.
Translated: “I just stopped by to make sure that you know how misandric Indian rape laws are. Yes, I realize that no one has ever actually been</i sentenced to 10 years for raping a woman with a bunch of their friends, but I still think you ought to know that it's possible.”

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Astrokid.NJ
January 10, 2013 at 9:05 AM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment
@17: Nepenthe:
Anjana Mishra rape case
Anjana Mishra rape case was a high profile rape case that occurred in state of Orissa (India) in 1999. Anjana Mishra, estranged wife of an Indian Forest Service officer, was raped on 9 January 1999. The case had created a furore in the State with Anjana accusing the then Chief Minister J. B. Patnaik and his friend former Advocate-General of Orissa Indrajit Ray of having played a role in the incident…
…
After a long battle, Anjana Mishra has won her case. In a judgment delivered on 29 April 2002 the District and Sessions Judge of Khurda, Orissa, sentenced two of the three accused persons in the case to life imprisonment and a fine of Rs.5,000 each. Judge Mahendra Nath Patnaik convicted Pradip Sahoo and Direndra Mohanty on charges of sexually assaulting Anjana while she was travelling in a car from Cuttack to Bhubaneswar along with a friend on 9 January 1999 . The third accused, Biban Biswal, is still absconding.

[Outwest]

Sorry, it's getting late. Couldn't type in the first place and it gets worse as the day gets longer. Night, all.

[Mykeru]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Of course not. You're kind of a rat with a big milky-white loogie booger hanging from your nose.

[KiwiInOz]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Of course not. You're kind of a rat with a big milky-white loogie booger hanging from your nose.

Bonehead. I resemble that remark.

[franc]

I don't recall ever claiming to have any dignity. You can level a lot of accusations at me, but at least I ain't a hypocrite.

No, "hypocrite" would imply self-awareness.

[Steersman]

Why do I press submit once, and some times get a double post?

As I’ve run into the same problem, I expect it’s due either to double-clicking – least probable – or that there’s a hiccup in the system – most probable. In the latter case I’ve found that sometimes the system times out and I think the message hasn’t been posted so repost and find two there on returning. YMMV.

However, in passing, I like your signature as well, although I think the “may” is the operative if problematic word, even if it has an Old Testament flavour. Speaking of which, reminds me or leads me to these of a similar nature:

Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish. [Proverbs 12:1]

Poverty and shame shall be to him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured. [ibid 13:18]

He who refuses correction despises his own soul, but he who listens to reproof gets understanding. [ibid 15:32]

A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool. [ibid 17:10]

[Cunning Punt]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

You had me laughing so hard, I was in tears, "Anteater Guy" :lol:

Same here, it was hilarious :lol:

Here too. That made up for the gun/cock jousting. I will have to unfoe that hentai girl so I don't miss the lulz.

[Rystefn]

I don't recall ever claiming to have any dignity. You can level a lot of accusations at me, but at least I ain't a hypocrite.

No, "hypocrite" would imply self-awareness.

Awwww... Look at Franc trying to imply shit and hope no one calls him on it because he knows he hasn't got a leg to stand on. Fucking adorable. Keep going, kid, I want to see what you pull out next.

[ReneeHendricks]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

[Mykeru]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

Should we wait here while they fellate each other?

[ReneeHendricks]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

Should we wait here while they fellate each other?

Since they won't get a room, I'm thinking we'll have no choice.

[AndrewV69]

PeeZus touted his Indian minion Avicenna's "takedown" of an AVFM article on India. I dont debate feminists, but I thought I would just correct a seriously flawed fact. I really dont like people spreading fictitious memes about India. I will log it here as a record of their intellectual dishonesty.
[spoiler]Astrokid.NJ
January 9, 2013 at 3:48 AM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment

The police also opened fire on protesters with live ammunition. Women were willing to DIE for the right not to get raped to death. Oh if the young lady who got raped lived her assailants would have got just TWO YEARS in jail as a maximum sentence.

Are you sure about this?
Rape Laws in India

3. Gang Rape ( Sec.376 Subsection 2- g)
“Where a woman is raped by one or more in a group of persons acting in furtherance of their common intention, each of the persons shall be deemed to have committed gang rape within the meaning of this sub-section. ”
Thus even if five men force a women into having sexual intercourse with only one of them, the remaining four will also be considered to have committed rape under this law. Punishment
Rigorous imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than ten years but which may be for life and shall also be liable to fine: Provided that the court may, for adequate and special reasons to be mentioned in the judgment, impose a sentence of imprisonment of either description for a term of less than ten years.

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Shplane, Spess Alium
January 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM (UTC 5.5)
@Astrokid
Note the last part. The court is capable of offering a lower sentence. I don’t know, specifically, what was going on, and it may be caused by something else entirely, but presumably the courts often bend the meaning of “adequate and special” to provide much shorter sentences.

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Avicenna
January 9, 2013 at 11:37 AM (UTC 5.5)
...
I will admit, I was unaware of differences however a quick look through prior cases shows an average of 5 years of incarceration and most people getting off with a slap on the wrists and even fines. The judicial system is insufficiently geared towards prosecution of rape effectively because so many people walk free…
...
A bunch of MRA’s whinging about queues is not what India needs. It’s the LAST thing that Indian women need.

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Astrokid.NJ
January 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM (UTC 5.5)
@Avicenna:
For full disclosure, I am an MRA and I hang out at AVFM, and I am Indian. Of course, our opinions are poles apart, and we arent getting into any dialogue anytime soon.


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Nepenthe
January 9, 2013 at 12:33 PM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment
I love Astrokid’s 14.
Translated: “I just stopped by to make sure that you know how misandric Indian rape laws are. Yes, I realize that no one has ever actually been</i sentenced to 10 years for raping a woman with a bunch of their friends, but I still think you ought to know that it's possible.”

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Astrokid.NJ
January 10, 2013 at 9:05 AM (UTC 5.5) Link to this comment
@17: Nepenthe:
Anjana Mishra rape case
Anjana Mishra rape case was a high profile rape case that occurred in state of Orissa (India) in 1999. Anjana Mishra, estranged wife of an Indian Forest Service officer, was raped on 9 January 1999. The case had created a furore in the State with Anjana accusing the then Chief Minister J. B. Patnaik and his friend former Advocate-General of Orissa Indrajit Ray of having played a role in the incident…
…
After a long battle, Anjana Mishra has won her case. In a judgment delivered on 29 April 2002 the District and Sessions Judge of Khurda, Orissa, sentenced two of the three accused persons in the case to life imprisonment and a fine of Rs.5,000 each. Judge Mahendra Nath Patnaik convicted Pradip Sahoo and Direndra Mohanty on charges of sexually assaulting Anjana while she was travelling in a car from Cuttack to Bhubaneswar along with a friend on 9 January 1999 . The third accused, Biban Biswal, is still absconding.[/spoiler]

I decided to adopt a "hands off" attitude over the case and let the Indians debate this among themselves.

In case you are wondering why, India is a huge country with more than a few different ethnic groups and different cultures and castes with a long history and a lot of baggage between them.

From my limited exposure to a limited subset of several of those cultures, I was pretty certain that there was more to that bus rape than what the West was having pornographic orgasms over (the guy who was with the girl ... vanished from the narative for example). There are other implication such as what area the family came from and what community they were living in. No mention of the in-group/out-group caste and relative social standing of all the various parties involved and/or the unbrindled hatred on display.

There is much more to this that meets the eye, and I am pretty confident that not many in the West are qualified to understand (including me) what the various dynamics involved were other than a superficial one based on the news reports.

OK I am done. But here is a cleanser:

Jodhaa Akbar the song Khwaja Mere Khwaja
[youtube]Pam8tXa6pkM[/youtube]

(Incidentally this is Sufi music and as such is haram (forbidden) to many Muslims just on those grounds. This song may also be considered shirk (Polytheism) by the traditionalists because, while it praises and requests intercession by a Saint, it comes too close for comfort to rivalling Allah (swt) for them to be comfortable with it.

Khwajaji, khwaja (O saint khwaja)
Khwajaji, khwaja, khwaja ji (O saint khwaja) , (O saint khwaja)
Ya gharib nawaz (The one who cherishes/soothes the poor)
Ya moinuddin, ya khwaja ji (O moinuddin chisti), (O khwaja saint)
Khwaja mere khwaja (O saint khwaja)
Dil mein sama ja (Reside in my heart)
Shaho ka shah tu (You are the king of kings)
Ali ka dulara (Ali's beloved)
Khwaja mere khwaja dil mein sama ja (O saint khwaja); (Reside in my heart)
Beqaso ki taqdeer, tune hai sawari (The destiny of the ones in despair, you have changed for the better)
Khwaja mere khwaja (O saint khwaja)
Tere darbar mein khwaja (At your door, o khwaja)
Door toh hai dekha (Ive seen it from far)
Sar jhuka te hai auliya (Your confidents/protectors/confessors bow down to you)
Tu hai Hindalwali khwaja (You are the hindalwali Khwaja)
Rutba hai pyara (Your status is glorious/great)
Chahne se tujhko khwaja ji mustafa ko paya (By wishing/worshipping you Khwaja, I have found muhammed [the chosen one]

[TheMan]

Why do I press submit once, and some times get a double post?

You are twitchier than you think?

[Mykeru]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

Should we wait here while they fellate each other?

If Justicar ever unsticks the flounce here, they can make some hot man muffins.

[Maximus]

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I don't have any room to indicate the source in the sig, or I would have. That one anteater guy said it.

That one anteater guy. That ONE ANTEATER GUY????

I am not an anteater guy. Get ready for an almighty flounce.

Awww, Eucliwood, fucking awesome, this is why I like her! To fucking funny! :lol:

[Rystefn]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

Should we wait here while they fellate each other?

If Justicar ever unsticks the flounce here, they can make some hot man muffins.

Oh, were you not around for all the fun between me and Justi? Dude, you missed out.

[Mykeru]

I tell you, I'm feelin' the loooove.

Should we wait here while they fellate each other?

If Justicar ever unsticks the flounce here, they can make some hot man muffins.

Oh, were you not around for all the fun between me and Justi? Dude, you missed out.

Shocking.