The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

[another lurker]

4:19 PM - 9 Jan 13 · Details
33m Jennifer McCreight ‏@jennifurret
@quarterflash14 atheists who act like fundies

Oh yes, I know what she's talking about!
http://i.imgur.com/JwWBT.png

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

[franc]

Try shooting heroin instead. It will keep your mind of the cigs.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Mus ... ol-001.jpg

Or possibly not.

Keith Richards, "drugs are bad m'kay?" poster boy

[16bitheretic]

On Lilandra's post about patriarchy denial at the Ace of Clades blog:

When you equate patriarchy denial to flat earth belief or creationism, there's a quality to the comparison that doesn't match up. For the most part "creationism" is understood by both believers and and non-believers alike to be the acceptance of the literal truth of scriptural creation myths. Flat earth is understood by both believers and non-believers alike to mean that the planet is not spherical in shape but disc shaped. There is very little to misunderstand on the meanings of the subjects.

Patriarchy on the other hand, like most concepts arising out of social studies, is a very malleable and imprecise concept. if one simply takes the definition that patriarchy is a description for a society where most positions of power are held by those of the male gender, then yeah, we can say we live in a patriarchy and prove it with lists of politicians, CEOs and their gender ratios.

However, when you talk to feminists online or in the wild outside of dictionaries, what you get is theories that basically equate to conspiracies, where a majority of men are actively seeking to oppress women and have some malicious intent to keep all of womankind under the dominance of male authority. In a society where men make up 90% of workplace deaths, where men get far worse prison sentences for similar crimes, where men are the majority of victims of overall violence, and where the idea of male prison rape is a source of comedic fodder, I find this conspiracy to be absurd.

Are there instances of sexist asshats, like the GOP morons we saw in the last election, trying to downplay the seriousness of sexual violence against women? Sure, there are now and always will be sexists of all stripes, but to say that this is endemic of the entirety of males, or of society in general is laughable. This is why there is this patriarchy skepticism that Lilandra equates to flat earth belief, because instead of being used as a simple description of demographics which can be proved or disproved, it becomes this odd mish-mash of conspiracy theories which can have a different definition depending on who you talk to and is always unfalsifiable when talked about in the manner modern feminist thinkers talk about it.

[codelette]

4:19 PM - 9 Jan 13 · Details
33m Jennifer McCreight ‏@jennifurret
@quarterflash14 atheists who act like fundies

Oh yes, I know what she's talking about!
http://i.imgur.com/JwWBT.png

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

I fluster whenever they refer to people as cunts! I think we should also need to work harder regarding atheism being only about not believing in gods.

[Outwest]

And in other news...

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Gain a few more pounds, Melody, and you may find out there were conditions.

Gain a few more pounds, Melody, and you may find out there were conditions you've created your own gravitational field.

Gain a few more pounds, Melody, and you may find out there were conditions you've created your own gravitational field that standard size door frames are the real symbol of oppression.

I think it's time to have a "Gain a few more pounds, Melody" contest. The winner will receive Greta's new Fluvogs. Or what ever the hell they're called. Toe cheese included.

[Ape+lust]

It's unlikely anyone here hasn't seen this, it's been all over the net, but just in case...

If you want a free copy of Photoshop CS2 (or Premiere, Illustrator, Audition, InDesign, etc), Adobe's giving it away. Get it before they change their mind:

http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html

What would I need from that list to do just basic photo editing, like accurately cropping out a person and placing the person in another photo, crap like that? I am totally ignorant about this stuff but would like to add to the graphics mayhem here if the learning curve isn't too steep.

Just so you know, JackRaynor pointed out to me that I was wrong about the software being "free." What's actually happening is Adobe is shutting down the activation servers for those programs. To keep licensed users from being locked out of their software, they're providing universal serials along with the downloads. So, while they're fully functional for anyone who snags a copy, they're intended for licensed users only.

So, if you're going to grab any of them, I'd say your best bet would be to get both Adobe Elements 4/5 and Photoshop CS2. Elements is a stripped down basic version of Photoshop. You'll find the concepts and interface much easier to grasp, and you'll still be able to do image mixups with the rest of us. Photoshop, like Decius says, is really complex and daunting. But of course, you'll want it on hand if you decide to move up.

Assuming you're on Windows, there are also a number of free and legal programs that can do at least as much as Elements and are fairly simple to use:

Paint.NET
Pinta (available for Mac and Linux too)
Photofiltre (the free version is currently version 7)
Pixia (powerful software, but the interface is an eye-bleeding nightmare)

...and of course, there's GIMP. Brilliant program, but at least as hairy as Photoshop to learn.

[16bitheretic]

...and of course, there's GIMP. Brilliant program, but at least as hairy as Photoshop to learn.

GIMP is in my experience harder to learn than the old pirated copies of Photoshop I used to tool around with on various anime and gaming wallpaper sites back in the day. PS tutorials and learning resources are far more prevalent than similar things for GIMP.

[welch]

Fuck this virus.

I think I've shat at least a Hensley and half a zvan in the last few hours

[welch]

...and of course, there's GIMP. Brilliant program, but at least as hairy as Photoshop to learn.

GIMP is in my experience harder to learn than the old pirated copies of Photoshop I used to tool around with on various anime and gaming wallpaper sites back in the day. PS tutorials and learning resources are far more prevalent than similar things for GIMP.

I'd rather use word for image editing than gimp

[KiwiInOz]

You win John.

Whatever you say, Welch. You seem to not only have amazing mind reading powers but super-human powers of inference as well.

I'm not fucking interested in being in any conversation to "win" it, as you put it.

If I'm wrong, we can discuss why. If you convince me, I'll change my mind.

Now, for the last time. I'll be happy to discuss this on the other thread or just let it lie, but I won't have you telling me what my fucking motivations are for discussing a topic. You are simply not qualified to do so.

Cool?

Just remember peeps, that often people make comments as they read and catch up from pages past, rather than reading to the end and then commenting. Consequently there is a lag plus feedback leading to a lot of noise.

[Eucliwood]

I'd rather use word for image editing than gimp

Damn o.o I don't think you can do much of anything with word.

[fascination]

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

Are you talking about Harriet Hall's shirt? The one that upset Surly Amy? I loved it!

[KiwiInOz]

Welch,

[spoiler]Thank you for sharing, and that's pretty much the only time I've ever said that without irony.

The differential is that people like Stephanie Svan take the bad experiences which are, unfortunately, often the price of being alive, and act like no one else has faced them. We have, we just move past them.

I've already detailed a couple of times how I literally got my face broken and stabbed by bikers in Buffalo for the crime of riding a Japanese motorcycle, so I won't revisit that.

I'll just do this really fast:

When I moved to AZ I was seeing a woman. In fact, the's kind of the reason I went, we were in a theater company and I was in my 20s and the worlds was my oyster. We were going to go on to LA but we got stuck in AZ because of my GFs sister. We will call her R. Not very responsible sort. Had her first kid at 16 and had three altogether from different guys. Which happens, but she seemed to have a knack for picking a guy that would treat her like crap.

In no way am I blaming her for what happened. I just wish R had stopped repeating the same mistakes over and over.

So, I come down from Flagstaff in 1994 to meet my GF and her folks in Laughlin NV for Thanksgiving. R comes down from Vegas with her then hubby, this weird sort. We played Hungry Hungry Hippo with the kids, two of which were being raised by the grandparents, the youngest, 2/12 was with her. Guy would not make eye contact. He was a drinker and gambler and had the social skills of a slug. There was a strange tension in the air.

What we didn't know was that R. had decided to leave him and when they got back to Vegas she started making good on it.

I got the call a couple days later in Flagstaff, my GF who said "He killed her".

And all these fucking puzzle pieces fell into place and I knew exactly what she meant.

Best that could be put together: R. loaded up her stuff in her car and was almost out of there, almost, when he appeared with a .22 rifle he had bought a couple weeks before. She tried to make it out a first floor window when she was shot in the leg. She fell out of the window and he leaned out of it and shot her five times in the back of the head. The bullets exited through her face. As he rattled around purposelessly for an hour before shooting himself, the only living witness to this was the 2 1/2 year old, who remember months later mommy clawing at the hot sandy ground saying "Noo...No...No..."

She had a closed casket funeral. Ever see "the best we could do" from a mortician to a face with five holes in it that had been baking face down for hours in the hot Las Vegas sun?

You don't want to.

To this day, I wonder why, what could have been done, if R. had come stayed with the GF and I, or asked us to go back with her or if...if...if...

So when some piece of shit like Ophelia Benson implies I would do violence, I consider her to be like a chickenhawk that thinks war is noble, because only someone untouched by violence would use it as a cheap rhetorical device.

Honestly, Ophelia, if you are reading this, and you are: Go fuck yourself.

I can't even stomach the thought of shooting another human being. I never want to cross that line. I would give someone a fucking golden bridge to retreat over before I did that. The only exception, and this is experience talking, is not defending myself, but defending someone who couldn't defend themselves.

Now, as Laden and Svan are on my radar, can someone give me the capsule version of what they did to Justin G. aside from that idiotic email Laden wrote?[/spoiler]

Thanks guys. This puts all the bullshit and the schism into perspective. I'm happy to be here.

[codelette]

I propose we start a list of Abbie's transgressions against humanity. With extra padding, we can turn it into a holy book and later use it to indoctrinate new members of this evil establishment.

[somedumbguy]

Lilandra had a high school history teacher in the 80s who was a flat-earther.

http://i.imgur.com/ZkJaL.jpg

Does anyone believe this? Or that she is too stupid to realize her high school teacher was making a point, being sarcastic, joking, testing her, or ?

Which is less likely, Patriarchy Theory or the chance that Lilandra in the 80s had a high school teacher that was a flat-earther?

Much as I don't believe in Patriarchy Theory, I'm going to have to say I think Patriarchy Theory is more likely than her flat-earther teacher beliefs. However, I can concede that she is possibly stupid enough to believe in both of them, and that by Bayes Theorem the likelihood she believes in Patriarchy Theory is increased when I realize she also believes her high school teacher is a flat earther.

[Jan Steen]

What would I need from that list to do just basic photo editing, like accurately cropping out a person and placing the person in another photo, crap like that? I am totally ignorant about this stuff but would like to add to the graphics mayhem here if the learning curve isn't too steep.

Just a few tips. Don't waste a lot of time with 'accurately cropping out a person'. In Photoshop the quickest way to transplant a baboon from one image to another is by roughly cropping it out, copying it in the target image, then (a) using the eraser tool to remove the unwanted background that still sticks to the baboon, and then (b) using the Free Transform tool to resize, skew, rotate and position the baboon. Often it is quicker to do (b) before (a). Changing colour, lightness and contrast of the baboon are useful to make the transplant look more convincing. Pressing Ctrl+U and Ctrl+M will bring up the required tools for that. 'Flatten' the layers as the final step. Save the un-flattened version of the image for future re-use of its components (you don't want to have to crop PZ Myers more than once :) )

[Zenspace]

Okay bitch, I don't normally do this, (but I'm suffering through norovirus, I am in a fucking mood. From the time I was halfway through third grade, until the end of fourth grade, I was regularly molested by a trio of older kids. In their apartments, in the woods out back of my apartment complex, in my room. I got handed the fuck around, and didn't dare say shit about it. That was my day. Three stooges and a dick in my mouth. One kid was blonde, one kid was a redhead, one kid was a brunette, all male, except occasionally when an older sister would get in on it.

Those were special days.

You know how long I saw possible rape in older males?

fucking never, because after my folks found out what was happening via the calm, rational method of "dad came home early", (and you want to talk about victim blaming you marshmallow - shaped lump of shit? I was a fucking pariah for the next six months, because it was alllll my fault, and my parents couldn't get out of their lease early, welcome to the 70s) and things calmed down, they, two barely functional alcoholics sat in the living room with their very confused, scared son, and instead of making me relive it to "find out what had happened, (what my dad saw made it pretty obvious), they said over and over:

"This is not your fault, these are not normal people, this is not how things normally work"

Over. And. Over, because they were, I found out later, terrified of what effect this would have on me, and wanted to be sure I knew that this was the most fucked up thing ever, and that no, most people weren't like this, and I had done nothing wrong.

And when I was so angry at my dad, because no one would talk to me any more or better yet, would try to beat the crap out of me for being a snitch, he and I would go on a "paper run" down to the corner 7-11, and I could yell at him and call him names, and he'd just take it until I had gotten it out of my system. Then he'd buy me a slurpee and we'd walk home.

I am sorry, stephanie, that bad things happened to you, more than you will ever know, or care. I've got a list of bad shit that I lived through that would drive you into a padded room. I know what it's like better than you want to think.

But do not sit here and expect anyone to give a fuck about your problems when you engage in the very behavior you cry about. "OMG VICTIM BLAMING", what the FUCK DO YOU CALL WHAT YOU DID TO JUSTIN GRIFFITH YOU HYPOCRITICAL CUNTSPURT?

If you want any fucking pity or even understanding, stop doing all the things you fucking bawl about in an attempt to get hitcounts. Bad things happen. To you. To me.

The difference is, I'm not wallowing in it to look superior to my critics.

And no, I didn't give a trigger warning. Fuck you.

Wow. And there it is. :clap:

That, in a nutshell, is the thing that, to my way of thinking, divides the adults from the children. Adults pull themselves together and move forward. The badness may remain a part of them, but it is not the driving focus of their lives in any way. They grow and move forward. The permanent children of the world, and the rad-fem pityseekers like Svan are today's textbook example, make sure they wear the pity-inducing badness as if it should be a pitymagnet badge of honor. Their entire lives will be built around the event like the black pearl around an irritant seed. Fuck. That. Shit.

My childhood was a pretty significant mess by any measure. No sexual abuse, thank goodness, but plenty of physical and mental. I won't bore everyone with the details of what really is old news at this point, but when people learn of my childhood, usually after knowing me for many, many years, if ever, the most common response is along the lines of 'How did you end up so normal?' Easy. It didn't happen overnight, but as I integrated into more normal environments I was intelligent enough to recognize that the earlier years were the aberation and I adjusted to what i recognized as the actual norm. No magic. No blaming, victim or otherwise. I just fucking moved on and grew up. Close friends would normally have no idea that anything unusual had EVER happened to me.

Sorry you had to be exposed to that crap, Welch, but good on ya for dealing with it straight on.

[fascination]

Another lurker, I think I missed the sarcasm in your post.

[Outwest]

Fuck this virus.

I think I've shat at least a Hensley and half a zvan in the last few hours

I have it on good authority that having sex with either will cure the norovirus.

[Lurkion]

SNIP

So when some piece of shit like Ophelia Benson implies I would do violence, I consider her to be like a chickenhawk that thinks war is noble, because only someone untouched by violence would use it as a cheap rhetorical device.

Honestly, Ophelia, if you are reading this, and you are: Go fuck yourself.

I can't even stomach the thought of shooting another human being. I never want to cross that line. I would give someone a fucking golden bridge to retreat over before I did that. The only exception, and this is experience talking, is not defending myself, but defending someone who couldn't defend themselves.

Now, as Laden and Svan are on my radar, can someone give me the capsule version of what they did to Justin G. aside from that idiotic email Laden wrote?

I like you Mykeru.

Ophelia is a piece of shit. She really says horrible things about people without backing it up.

[another lurker]

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

Are you talking about Harriet Hall's shirt? The one that upset Surly Amy? I loved it!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _shirt.jpg

meh. They all look the same to me!

Was HH being sarcastic with her shirt? Or serious?

If sarcastic, grats.

If serious, cringeworthy.

[Zenspace]

http://i.imgur.com/AnqzK.jpg

Too good not to repost. Perfect! :clap: :dance: :clap: :dance:

And it really is that easy. Just. Turn. It. Off. Poof. I sometimes wonder if those FtB fools realize just how thin their version of reality is?

[codelette]

Fuck this virus.

I think I've shat at least a Hensley and half a zvan in the last few hours

Norovirus is shitty (ha ha, pun intended).
If you don't have some at hand; tell your trophy wench to fetch you some Pedialyte.

[Gumby]

It's unlikely anyone here hasn't seen this, it's been all over the net, but just in case...

If you want a free copy of Photoshop CS2 (or Premiere, Illustrator, Audition, InDesign, etc), Adobe's giving it away. Get it before they change their mind:

http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/index.html

What would I need from that list to do just basic photo editing, like accurately cropping out a person and placing the person in another photo, crap like that? I am totally ignorant about this stuff but would like to add to the graphics mayhem here if the learning curve isn't too steep.

Just so you know, JackRaynor pointed out to me that I was wrong about the software being "free." What's actually happening is Adobe is shutting down the activation servers for those programs. To keep licensed users from being locked out of their software, they're providing universal serials along with the downloads. So, while they're fully functional for anyone who snags a copy, they're intended for licensed users only.

So, if you're going to grab any of them, I'd say your best bet would be to get both Adobe Elements 4/5 and Photoshop CS2. Elements is a stripped down basic version of Photoshop. You'll find the concepts and interface much easier to grasp, and you'll still be able to do image mixups with the rest of us. Photoshop, like Decius says, is really complex and daunting. But of course, you'll want it on hand if you decide to move up.

Assuming you're on Windows, there are also a number of free and legal programs that can do at least as much as Elements and are fairly simple to use:

Paint.NET
Pinta (available for Mac and Linux too)
Photofiltre (the free version is currently version 7)
Pixia (powerful software, but the interface is an eye-bleeding nightmare)

...and of course, there's GIMP. Brilliant program, but at least as hairy as Photoshop to learn.

Thanks much. I think I'll avoid using the Adobe products due to the licensing issues, and look at some of the free options you listed. Appreciated.

[fascination]

Welch and Mykeru, thank you for sharing your stories. The whiniest people are often those who have had the easiest lives. Yet, they will call you two "privileged". What a joke. I have mentioned briefly before that I was abducted and raped when I was twelve. I too had to make a choice how I wanted to live my life...did I want to be a victim or did I want to be a survivor? I chose to be a survivor.

[Outwest]

Does anyone realize we have over 1000 posts here, on a new thread? In the same amount of time, how many posts at the A+ forum?

[franc]

Seriously, make your own fucking thread. The 1000 comment barrier has easily been broken a fair while back. Outside of being a checklist for logical fallacies, it is about as scintillating, and rational, as arguing about abortion. Folks have to understand that this quasi-religious fetish is not everyone's cup of tea, and no matter how crucial and important you may believe your opinion is, outside of your ego bubble, it's not. Every time the conversation seems to die down, like a zombie in a cheap horror flick it rises again from the grave and just keeps going.

So please, make your own thread. Pretty please?

[fascination]

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

Are you talking about Harriet Hall's shirt? The one that upset Surly Amy? I loved it!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _shirt.jpg

meh. They all look the same to me!

Was HH being sarcastic with her shirt? Or serious?
If sarcastic, grats.

If serious, cringeworthy.

The back of the shirt read:
I'm a skeptic
Not a skepchick
Not a "woman skeptic"
Just a skeptic

[YerAnotherLurker]

On the contrary. I think you actually just proved my point. Had there been even one AK-47 per 10 people, the body count would have been much lower.

My interlocutor wants to have it both ways. Guns can cause massive amounts of death not comparable to knives.

Take guns out of the equation, and that's completely false.

There's a lot of confusion here. My position is this: I own an AK-47 largely because I live (at least for the next two and a half months- but who's counting?) surrounded by people who are armed and think that Glenn Beck is a sane and sage commentator on world events. Thus I perceive a need to have comparable firepower as a deterrent. A knife isn't going to help me much here.
It seemed to me that you were equating the lethality of bronze-age weaponry with modern weaponry.
Anyone who does that (and that may not have been what you intended to convey) has disqualified themselves from being taken seriously.

I've done no such thing.

I'm not debating the lethality of the two. Both are just as lethal in the sense that they both make you dead.

I'm debating the effectiveness of the two. Guns are the great equalizer. If you take them out of the picture and rely solely on bronze aged weapons, then the weaker (or unarmed) person is going to win out. In that case, bronze aged weapons are incredibly effective in slaughtering a huge amount of people viz. Rwanda.

I have an anedocte for you all.

Here in Brazil owning a firearm is illegal. You can't go to a store and legally purchase ANY firearms. Do you guys know how many murders we have here? From the Wikipedia article on Crime in Brazil (data from 2007):

São Paulo (the biggest city in the country): 17,4 per 100000
Rio de Janeiro (the biggest tourist's destination in the country): 35,7 per 100000
Porto Alegre (capital of the State where I live): 47,3 per 100000
Maceió (the most violent State capital in the country): 97,4 per 100000
Brasilia (fucking CAPITAL OF THE COUNTRY): 33,5 per 100000

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Brazil

Guess what? Even if you can't legally buy a firearm, that does NOT makes the murder rate to magically go down.

And your privileged fucks are complaining about a murder rate of 4,7 per 100000? Puh-lease.

[codelette]

Actually, we should have a discussion about abortion! No trigger warning. No holds barred. To the death.

[another lurker]

fascination wrote:

The back of the shirt read:
I'm a skeptic
Not a skepchick
Not a "woman skeptic"
Just a skeptic

aw. that clears it up.

For some reason I thought that was OB, and that the shirt was 'totes' serious. In which case, cringeworthy.

Yeah, I agree, gogo Harriet Hall!

[Pitchguest]

I haven't mentioned it, but I find Ophelia's 'I feel safe at Tam' shirt to be incredibly stupid and insulting. I am embarassed just *looking* at it.

Are you talking about Harriet Hall's shirt? The one that upset Surly Amy? I loved it!

[spoiler]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _shirt.jpg[/spoiler]

meh. They all look the same to me!

Was HH being sarcastic with her shirt? Or serious?

If sarcastic, grats.

If serious, cringeworthy.

She was being serious, and why shouldn't she be? TAM was being demonised by Rebecca Watson and Ophelia Benson et al. for not being safe towards women, demonising DJ Grothe, even making things up about Ryan Grant Long about him calling Rebecca a 'cunt' which he most definitely did not do, and so much more.

The back of the t-shirt said, "I am a skeptic, not a "Skepchick", not a skeptic woman, just a skeptic." Which we can only assume was not just a dig at Skepchick, but also her expressing that she doesn't want to be known as a Skep "chick" or a skeptic "woman", but just a sceptic to escape the genderbased normative of the terms. I think she meant that she absolutely felt "safe and welcome at TAM" because why take the fearmongering histrionics of a few loons seriously? Let them fester in their own gob.

[Pitchguest]

And I didn't notice your comment before I clicked submit. Damn.

[decius]

Just a few tips. Don't waste a lot of time with 'accurately cropping out a person'. In Photoshop the quickest way to transplant a baboon from one image to another is by roughly cropping it out, copying it in the target image, then (a) using the eraser tool to remove the unwanted background that still sticks to the baboon, and then (b) using the Free Transform tool to resize, skew, rotate and position the baboon. Often it is quicker to do (b) before (a). Changing colour, lightness and contrast of the baboon are useful to make the transplant look more convincing. Pressing Ctrl+U and Ctrl+M will bring up the required tools for that. 'Flatten' the layers as the final step. Save the un-flattened version of the image for future re-use of its components (you don't want to have to crop PZ Myers more than once :) )

Good lard, you must be joking.

Let me introduce you to a secret tool which does perfect masking relatively fast. Color range (+ refine edge) is the way of the lazy, but without the beginner mistakes.

[fascination]

Another lurker, I thought it was awesome too! Here's a link to the Phawrongula wiki about the whole controversy if you're interested:
http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/TAM_2 ... acturversy

[Michael K Gray]

Fuck this virus.
I think I've shat at least a Hensley and half a zvan in the last few hours

Get it correct!
The equivalent in formally correct slymepit units is 2.71 yoctoBrayTons.

Write it out 100 times.

[franc]

Short-term Off-Topic

Does anyone know anything about how the login system/process for Wordpress works? Every single fucking time I try to log in to Wordpress, it fails to recognize my password, and I have to send the "forgot my password" thingy and get a new one. And often that only works if I wait 24 hours before the previous login attempt.

Anyone have any insight, wisdom, or knowledge to share?

It gives you an encrypted cookie as far as I know. Clear your WP (.org and .com) cookies, and cache just for good measure.

[another lurker]

Another lurker, I thought it was awesome too! Here's a link to the Phawrongula wiki about the whole controversy if you're interested:
http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/TAM_2 ... acturversy

Thanks. I have been reading the wiki, but I missed that part somehow.

Talk about histrionics eh?

I told her through tears, in the speakers’ lounge, that it was dehumanizing and gender/color blind and very hurtful to me specifically as a person who does have to deal with harassment regularly

Wow. Just wow.

For some reason, when I first saw the pic, I thought it was OB, and that the 'I feel safe at TAM' was some sort of anti-sexual-harassment campaign.

[Skep tickle]

Does anyone realize we have over 1000 posts here, on a new thread? In the same amount of time, how many posts at the A+ forum?

A+ Forum: 193 posts in the past 22.5 hrs
Tues January 9, 7:30pm PST Total posts 61286
Wed January 9, 6:00pm PST Total posts 61479

[justinvacula]

More propaganda from Ophelia Benson and Secular Woman president Kim Rippere on a new Ron Lindsey thread:

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... requested/

#1 Kim Rippere (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:05pm
CFI Member, WiS attendee, and I just happen to be the President of Secular Woman. I am looking forward to meeting you at HEADS.

I think we need to find ways to better welcome, integrate, listen to, and accept women as equal participants in the secular community and social movement. I am including IRL and online.

Leaders need to be vocal in their support of women; otherwise, the main voices driving the conversation regarding feminism and secularism tend to be extreme and noninclusive. They alienate women in the movement and those that are checking the movement out to see if it is something of interest.

As for feminism influencing missions . . . YES. Secularism is about getting religion out of government. Much of how religion infests our government has to do with religious zealots attempting (and recently succeeding) to pass religious-based legislation regarding a women’s right to her own body. For this reason, for many women secularism and feminism are intimately intertwined.

#2 Ophelia Benson on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:33pm
What Kim said. Frankly I don’t have much hope at this point that the differences can be narrowed or resolved. With big name guys throwing vitriol at selected Enemy Women and all but holding them up as targets, it seems to me that women are just going to say the hell with it and stay away. I know several who have already decided that. That is of course the goal of the guys throwing vitriol, and I think they’re going to get their way.

#3 Kim Rippere (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:45pm
If they win and women stay away secularism will slowly dwindle and with it any hope that atheism and secularism will win the day. Instead it will be a group of people isolated in their beliefs that have no hope of making impact at any level. The hope that many have of a vibrant and impactful social movement rests on our ability to fully include women. IMO.

[codelette]

She was being serious, and why shouldn't she be? TAM was being demonised by Rebecca Watson and Ophelia Benson et al. for not being safe towards women, demonising DJ Grothe, even making things up about Ryan Grant Long about him calling Rebecca a 'cunt' which he most definitely did not do, and so much more.

The back of the t-shirt said, "I am a skeptic, not a "Skepchick", not a skeptic woman, just a skeptic." Which we can only assume was not just a dig at Skepchick, but also her expressing that she doesn't want to be known as a Skep "chick" or a skeptic "woman", but just a sceptic to escape the genderbased normative of the terms. I think she meant that she absolutely felt "safe and welcome at TAM" because why take the fearmongering histrionics of a few loons seriously? Let them fester in their own gob.

*this is an imagined dramatization for the lulz*

Button Eyes Roth: "Booo hooo, this gender traitor is harassing and silencing me because I have a vagina. MEEE! Who valiantly make a profit of mediocre turd art and use a few dollars to charter woman to conferences in Vegas! What have she done for womenkindzzz??!!"

Dr Hall: "Well, I was only the second woman to do her internship in the Air Force and was the first female graduate of the Air Force family practice residency. Also, I was a flight surgeon in the US Air Force and retired as a full colonel..."

Button Eyes Roth: "You agent of the Patriarchy! Sexism! I'm going home!...come, mommy..."

[franc]

Loving how every time one of them posts something they found on the 'Pit, they have to justify having gone there with "traffic stats," or "someone pointed this out."

Tee hee. I don't buy it either. There is always a good number of "guests" here at The Pit, and I have long suspected some of the Baboons keep tabs on what happens here. After all, somebody has to keep informing Ophelia of when someone says "CUNT". In fact, she's probably just been alerted to my usage in this message.

Return of Kibo...

franc is old and crusty enough to get that.

[Steersman]

http://i.imgur.com/AnqzK.jpg

Too good not to repost. Perfect! :clap: :dance: :clap: :dance:

And it really is that easy. Just. Turn. It. Off. Poof. I sometimes wonder if those FtB fools realize just how thin their version of reality is?

Certainly a clever, amusing, and cogent montage, although I’m not totally in agreement with the conclusion: “the price of freedom …” and all that. If turning off the page was all that was necessary to make it and its egregious consequences disappear then there would be a lot less justification for this place.

[franc]

Heads-up: I'm probably going to be putting a filter in which automatically substitutes "buckets of cum" for "guns", "dahlias" for "weapons", "Stephalumps" for "rifles" and maybe a couple of other filters too.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions.

Thanks.

"I cum when I unzip my pants" for "second amendment"

[somedumbguy]

Loving how every time one of them posts something they found on the 'Pit, they have to justify having gone there with "traffic stats," or "someone pointed this out."

Tee hee. I don't buy it either. There is always a good number of "guests" here at The Pit, and I have long suspected some of the Baboons keep tabs on what happens here. After all, somebody has to keep informing Ophelia of when someone says "CUNT". In fact, she's probably just been alerted to my usage in this message.

Return of Kibo...

franc is old and crusty enough to get that.

In an age before google alerts....

[fascination]

Well Ophelia, there's plenty of women involved in secularism that aren't backing down. There's Abbie Smith, Miranda Hale, Harriet Hall, Paula Kirby, Sara Mayhew, Barbara Drescher, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bridgit Gaudett, etc. Oh, and there's tons of women here on the Slymepit!

[Lsuoma]

IJLTHFTS:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6955779584/h89F94D1F/

[fascination]

My previous post was in reply to Vacula's post. I accidentally left Ophelia's quote out.

[Lsuoma]

A+ Forum: 193 posts in the past 22.5 hrs
Tues January 9, 7:30pm PST Total posts 61286
Wed January 9, 6:00pm PST Total posts 61479[/quote]
That's sure some fancy calendarin' there, pardner!

[Rystefn]

Seriously, make your own fucking thread. The 1000 comment barrier has easily been broken a fair while back. Outside of being a checklist for logical fallacies, it is about as scintillating, and rational, as arguing about abortion. Folks have to understand that this quasi-religious fetish is not everyone's cup of tea, and no matter how crucial and important you may believe your opinion is, outside of your ego bubble, it's not. Every time the conversation seems to die down, like a zombie in a cheap horror flick it rises again from the grave and just keeps going.

So please, make your own thread. Pretty please?

Every time you comment just to bitch about people having a conversation you don't care about, I wonder if you realize that it makes you complaining about Eucli's "content-free spam" more hypocritical than anything every posted on FTB. Probably not, because you're special and wonderful and every fucking thought that drifts through your skull simply MUST be shared with the world. Ass.

[Gumby]

Does anyone realize we have over 1000 posts here, on a new thread? In the same amount of time, how many posts at the A+ forum?

Just in the last 24 hours, this place had 337 more posts than the dying, wheezing A+ forum. This place is thriving, theirs is decomposing.

[franc]

I am guessing that the supposed suggestion ERV made about the cancer being a lie is that she said it: 'cancer'

I'm not sure whether that was the intent, or whether anyone here actually believes the cancer wasn't real?

I'm guessing that calling her a grifter carries stronger implications.

And yes, some have doubted the whole story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome

Accounts for much of the behaviour of the baboons. If GC chose to extend it to actual cancer, if it wasn't, should not be even slightly surprising.

[Altair]

I see two problems with Kim's arguments (all underlines are mine)

#1 Kim Rippere (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:05pm
I think we need to find ways to better welcome, integrate, listen to, and accept women as equal participants in the secular community and social movement. I am including IRL and online.

Leaders need to be vocal in their support of women; otherwise, the main voices driving the conversation regarding feminism and secularism tend to be extreme and noninclusive. They alienate women in the movement and those that are checking the movement out to see if it is something of interest.

As for feminism influencing missions . . . YES.

One is the common tactic of conflating women and support of women with feminism. The two are not equal, no matter how much they want it to be. A good way to explain it is a quote from twitter user @furrygirl : "The feminist argument "if you support women's rights you're a feminist," is the same as "if you believe murder is wrong you're a Christian."

The other problem I see is that Kim, as well as Ophelia and most of the FTB'ers always talk about including women, supporting women and including women but they never bother thinking what those women should do to be included. They think that the old white men that are part of the movement just walked into a conference hall one day, and then were given a position as a speaker after making sure they had a penis, so they want women to be included for the sake of being women.

If women are being actively prevented from being part of the movement, by all means I support that we all do something and remove those barriers, but any woman who wants to be a part of the movement, a speaker or similar, should have something to offer, knowledge, experience or new ideas. Just like men should.

As fascination mentioned, there are a lot women in the community who are doing just fine. Because they are doing something, instead of waiting to be included just because.

[AndrewV69]

Well Ophelia, there's plenty of women involved in secularism that aren't backing down. There's Abbie Smith, Miranda Hale, Harriet Hall, Paula Kirby, Sara Mayhew, Barbara Drescher, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bridgit Gaudett, etc. Oh, and there's tons of women here on the Slymepit!

Need I add that the best thing for OB, PeeZuss Christ et. al. at this point would be to get out of Dodge and pretend it all never happened?

Because those loons have been a never endering source of amusement for me since Elevatorgate. They are in so deep in now I fail to see how they can ever recover.

I am at the point now that if I ever ran into PeeZuss or any of the baboons IRL I would not be able to stop laughing.

YMMV

[Gumby]

#2 Ophelia Benson on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 6:33pm
What Kim said. Frankly I don’t have much hope at this point that the differences can be narrowed or resolved. With big name guys throwing vitriol at selected Enemy Women and all but holding them up as targets, it seems to me that women are just going to say the hell with it and stay away. I know several who have already decided that. That is of course the goal of the guys throwing vitriol, and I think they’re going to get their way.

No Ophie, there is no plot to drive women from secularism, you stupid lying paranoid twat.

[justinvacula]

New comment. Too bad this is not a Poe.

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/e ... requested/

#4 Soraya Chemaly (Guest) on Wednesday January 09, 2013 at 7:11pm
HI - I’m a secular feminist writer and media critic and regularly write and speak on the topic of gender in culture. As a firm and vocal believer in secularism, I too, think that it is vital that as we develop this community we are aware of how thoroughly our broader cultural norms exclude women and their perspectives. And how easily these broader cultural norms are being seamlessly transferred into this environment as it grows. It’s not enough to say “we’ve invited women” or “there’s a woman presenting,” etc. Rather, we need good men who understand what is at stake and explicitly advocate as allies on behalf of women. We will not move the needle unless men engage in genuine bystander intervention to confront the perpetuation of very subtle but powerful influences that inhibit parity for women. Both as individuals and as members and usually leaders of institutions. Because of the simple fact that men literally rule - in politics, religion, media, etc. - they have a disproportionate cultural currency. How we leverage that currency in the secular world shouldn’t accidental, but should be deliberate - especially if you want to cultivate diversity and not just gender diversity. Because the understanding of difference that is the foundation of gender bias is the same one that serves to feed racial, ethnic, sexual and other biases. It seems to me that this cultural currency can either be spent to perpetuate patriarchy and misogyny and sexism or to create an environment where women, and others who do not conform to our prevalent norms - especially of leadership and visibility - are not only tolerated, but openly embraced as a class and where men with influence who are interested in doing the right thing and creating a more just world advocate on their behalf and are outspoken allies.

[Jwms]

Stefanelli's org has Jerry Coyne scheduled for a talk in Atlanta for a mere $15.

@Ape Lust... The Jerry Coyne event is not being sponsored by "Stefanelli's org" so please get your facts straight before posting. The event is hosted by 2 local secular groups in Georgia, one of which is Fayette Freethought Society, the group I founded back in 2010. Stefanelli is no longer a member of our group.

Julie Williams

[decius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome

Accounts for much of the behaviour of the baboons. If GC chose to extend it to actual cancer, if it wasn't, should not be even slightly surprising.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

[Eucliwood]

@ Rystefn I know.. I've told franc that multiple times. I've also pointed out that there are many posts being posted here, some people reply to past posts (I don't read them, to keep my own post count from exploding again), and that new posts appear while people are writing posts to what *was* the latest post. Also, many people here post things that should be judged as "content free" going by what other things franc has said are content free. (including franc's own posts, yes.) I've also told him that I cannot do anything about my explosion from posts from the past - they'll always be there. I'll always have a greater number of posts/time than other people, unless I post way less than needed just to impress or suck up to franc. I try hard - I refresh sometimes, I reply to multiple posts in one post, and I refrain from replyng to plenty of things - and he gives me no credit. Since nothing is good enough for him, and I'm tired of reading posts bitching about the number of posts I have and about how I'm a nothing of a character, I've put him on ignore.

Damn you for quoting his post. The context can be guessed with but your reply. That would've been better than reading his post. (kidding.. you didn't know).


@Mykeru - what an honorable heart you have. Some people say that going out to war is noble. Bullshit.

@Welch - lovely post.

Is this the part where I add that I have been a receiver of sexual assault multiple times for FtB? Hmm.. well actually, they'd just use me for their propaganda. Ew. If anyone's wondering, I'm fine, no scars, questions allowed. Save the hugs for people who need them. In fact, *big hugs to those who are not "fine"*

[franc]

Seriously, make your own fucking thread. The 1000 comment barrier has easily been broken a fair while back. Outside of being a checklist for logical fallacies, it is about as scintillating, and rational, as arguing about abortion. Folks have to understand that this quasi-religious fetish is not everyone's cup of tea, and no matter how crucial and important you may believe your opinion is, outside of your ego bubble, it's not. Every time the conversation seems to die down, like a zombie in a cheap horror flick it rises again from the grave and just keeps going.

So please, make your own thread. Pretty please?

Every time you comment just to bitch about people having a conversation you don't care about, I wonder if you realize that it makes you complaining about Eucli's "content-free spam" more hypocritical than anything every posted on FTB. Probably not, because you're special and wonderful and every fucking thought that drifts through your skull simply MUST be shared with the world. Ass.

Rystefn. Fuck you. I am not a lightning rod for your insecure masculinity. Thwap your cock on someone else for a change.