Okay, so I admit, because I'm not as stupid as humanly possible, I generally stay the fuck out of FTB comment threads. I don't have to actually dive into shit to know that it smells bad when it's on you, but because Ally is thus far, different, I've been hanging out there.
Are the normal cast of dipshits over there really stupid? I mean, morales asks a question that as asked is meaningless:
What do you imagine feminism’s stance regarding women in the military to be, and what do you understand the opposition to that stance to be?
I reply to that and another related comment, and state why I think it's meaningless. I think I am clear on that:
Pen, I think the cannon-fodder thing is related, but tends to get into the weeds really quickly. For example, Morales’ comment, which contains a huge issue as written, namely the implication that there is this thing called “feminism†that has a singular coherent viewpoint.
That’s not even slightly correct. There are groups of people of varying size that support certain ideals and actions that have been shoved under the umbrella of “feminismâ€, but just like any loose confederation of groups of people, you find that the only thing they seem to agree on is the particular spelling of “feminism†in a given language.
For example, there are a few radfem groups that are of the opinion that transfolk are either sekret rapists or sekret chill girls. Now, the *vast* majority of feminists or people who support parts of feminism without the label would think that’s completely stupid, yet, those groups claim the lable just as much as say, NOW.
So you can’t ask what “…you imagine feminism’s stance…†is on anything, because there’s nothing that is “feminismâ€. It’s a bag of cats as a term. You may as well ask what blondes think of something, you’ll get the same level of accuracy for all people who have blonde hair. The only way to ask what “feminism†thinks is to ask about specific named feminist groups who have issued statements on the subject.
and what does morales do? HE ASKS IT AGAIN...because...then I'll change my mind? No, really:
John C. Welch:
So you can’t ask what “…you imagine feminism’s stance…†is on anything, because there’s nothing that is “feminismâ€. It’s a bag of cats as a term. You may as well ask what blondes think of something, you’ll get the same level of accuracy for all people who have blonde hair. The only way to ask what “feminism†thinks is to ask about specific named feminist groups who have issued statements on the subject.
Well, I can (and I did!). And you responded that it’s a meaningless question.
Fine.
So, what do you imagine feminists’ stance regarding women in the military to be, and what do you understand the opposition to that stance to be?
WHY WOULD MY ANSWER CHANGE WHEN THE QUESTION HAS NOT????
Which I tell him:
You know Morales, i’m puzzled. I just said, pretty clearly, that, at least as I see it, there’s no way you can say what “feminists†say about *anything* because they are not some kind of homogenous group that has a unified statement on everything. I even gave a small example of how some of the groups on the fringe have some opinions that the more mainstream groups would consider idiocy.
You *acknowledge* that I said that, and correctly interpret that I think what you asked is a meaningless question.
You then immediately ask me the same fucking question that I just stated was meaningless because you cannot say what feminists think because as an overall group, they have no single unified opinion on anything.
Which now makes me really curious about something, and if you can provide some detail here, it would be interesting, to wit: If it was a meaningless question the first time you asked it, why would that change? It is still a meaningless question as asked, even if you ask it a second time.
Should you do nothing in the comments on this post until the heat death of the universe but ask this same question of me over, and over, and over again, my response shall not change. The question you asked is meaningless. If you want to change it to reference a specific group that has actually talked about this, then my response would also change, but what you asked me is, by any practical means, literally unanswerable.
Were I a cynical man, (and as an IT person, I am, in truth, very cynical), i would suggest that you are deliberately asking the question this way so that no matter how I answer, you can, of course, find a feminist group that disagrees, and therefore be able to accuse me of not knowing anything about feminism.
So ask that question a third time, or three hundred times. Ask it until your fingers bleed and your computer breaks down into its component elements. It is still meaningless, and until you change that question to have some specific meaning, my response is the same as the first one you read was
I mean holy fuck, do people really fall for that shit? "Well, since you keep asking me a meaningless question Lucy, what the fuck, I'll try to kick that footbAAAAAAUGH MY BACK, IT HURTS SO BAD!!!!"
I know i'm not up on all the myriad defects commenting over there, but is that actually how they all tend to work? Because if so, they'd need to study for a month just to get A collective IQ point. I mean a single one.