Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:18 am  •  [Post 19956]

This one is funny too:
by Zeitgueist » Tue May 07, 2013 5:46 pm
Seems better off asking what shows are NOT problematic. I'm hard pressed to find one.


Yes, when you can find racism on a slice of toast and misogyny in a rain cloud I suppose it's very hard to find a TV show which doesn't have you BAAAAWing your eyes out. Maybe switch the fucking telly off if you don't like it? Just a thought you moronic cunt.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 11:20 am  •  [Post 19957]

Then again...the guy might have a point about Rainbow:

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:22 am  •  [Post 19958]

it was a fucking safe place. I would be surrounded by people who would beat the shit out of people who would say any wrong words.


Yeah.....That sounds like a totes safe space. Just don't say any "wrong words" or you'll be wrist-slapped by a horde of white knights in Morrissey glasses and drainpipe jeans.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:23 am  •  [Post 19959]

Tigzy wrote:Then again...the guy might have a point about Rainbow:


Ahhhh the infamous twangers episode.
Rainbow was trolling before the internet was invented.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Gefan » Tue May 07, 2013 11:24 am  •  [Post 19960]

Tigzy wrote:Oh this. This has got to be a troll. It's just too perfect:

Re: Problematic TV shows

Postby Bowman » Tue May 07, 2013 5:46 pm
I am always triggered anytime I see the UK childrens TV show called rainbow, the reasons why as are as follows,

1: Jeoffrey the main host is a white normative male
2: Zippy always struck me as being sexually aggressive
3: George the only homosexual on the show, coloured a bright pink which is an obvious and weak attempt at trying to show this
4: Rod, Jane and Freddy, all white
5: Bungle, who is a bear, "bear" is a gay term for a very hairy heavy set homosexual man "Bungle" is British slang for a mistake and clearly this again shows contempt towards homosexuality in that it is trying to portray homosexuality as being a mistake.

On top of all the above, the whole show is angled towards homosexuality being kept in a room, clearly none of them explore the outside world and always find activities to do within the home, I find this highly suggestive of the producers trying to subliminally tell children that if you are homosexual, then you must hide away from the world and never come out.


'I am always triggered anytime I see the UK childrens TV show called rainbow'

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4633&start=25#p81369


Not as implausible as it seems:

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 11:24 am  •  [Post 19961]

Re: Problematic TV shows

Postby ceepolk » Tue May 07, 2013 2:38 am
Haven't watched The Following.

I'm actually really surprised that Hannibal doesn't trigger the fuck out of me, I really really am. It should.


http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4633&start=25#p81252

It's because you probably got used to that sort of thing when Simpleflower was still around.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Gefan » Tue May 07, 2013 11:26 am  •  [Post 19962]

Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:27 am  •  [Post 19963]

I thought Hannibal was pretty good. The lead character is a pretentious wank with "social issues" who is "on the spectrum" but the guy playing Hannibal Lecter is show stealingly good.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Git » Tue May 07, 2013 11:27 am  •  [Post 19964]

I'm going to go against the flow and stick up or Karla re. the WBC thing.

Let's face facts here: the WBC are the closest thing to a "Comedy Hate Group" in North America. They're the equivalent of Mary Whitehouse. They're a good fit to Peezus and A+Theism. Being able to wind them all up at the same time is a good thing (tm). So nice one Karla.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:28 am  •  [Post 19965]

Gefan wrote:Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!

Tigzy actually :P
I knew that video was gonna get posted as soon as Rainbow was mentioned :P
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Bhurzum » Tue May 07, 2013 11:33 am  •  [Post 19966]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Gefan wrote:Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!

Tigzy actually :P
I knew that video was gonna get posted as soon as Rainbow was mentioned :P


Imagine poor old "Bowman" watching it... :lol:
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Gefan » Tue May 07, 2013 11:35 am  •  [Post 19967]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Gefan wrote:Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!

Tigzy actually :P
I knew that video was gonna get posted as soon as Rainbow was mentioned :P


I withdraw the accusation.
It was indeed the fucking rodent that out-youtube'd me.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Dick Strawkins » Tue May 07, 2013 11:37 am  •  [Post 19968]

Jan Steen wrote:The baboons are overreacting, as usual (one even brings up Anne Frank). They are funny when they are overreacting. The pretentiously pseudonym'd Katherine Lorraine, Tortue du Désert avec un Coupe-Boulon writes:

THANKS Karla. Thanks so very fucking much.

I was going to go to WiS2 in a skirt and with my falsies cause it was a fucking safe place. I would be surrounded by people who would beat the shit out of people who would say any wrong words.
Now that the WBC has the scent, I can’t do that anymore. WiS2 is no longer a safe place for a trans-woman like myself.

Thanks for your “joke.”


To which irisvanderpluym responds:

Cross-posted from Ophelia’s thread:

WIS Attendees: let’s moon them. Who’s with me?


Katherine Lorraine, Tortue du Désert avec un Coupe-Boulon – I’m so sorry. I just want to say I will be there and I will have your back.


So now I’m having this mental image of Katherine Lorraine, Tortue du Désert avec un Coupe-Boulon wearing her falsies and mooning the WBC folks while irisvanderpluym is having her back.

It could be worse, I suppose. It could be PZ doing the mooning. Even the WBC loons don't deserve that.

By the way, what are we to think of this statement by Katherine Lorraine, Tortue du Désert avec un Coupe-Boulon: “I would be surrounded by people who would beat the shit out of people who would say any wrong words.”

Is this another case of “X is wrong, except when we do it”?


“I would be surrounded by people who would beat the shit out of people who would say any wrong words.”

What?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Jan Steen » Tue May 07, 2013 11:38 am  •  [Post 19969]

Don't get me started on the Teletubbies.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 11:39 am  •  [Post 19970]

Gefan wrote:the fucking rodent


I fucken wish.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:43 am  •  [Post 19971]

Tigzy wrote:
Gefan wrote:the fucking rodent


I fucken wish.

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Go on then....If we're posting pics of ourselves:
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:46 am  •  [Post 19972]

Jan Steen wrote:Don't get me started on the Teletubbies.

Especially the one with the phallic head-adornment. It's the patriarchy personified.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Dick Strawkins » Tue May 07, 2013 11:47 am  •  [Post 19973]

Gefan wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Gefan wrote:Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!

Tigzy actually :P
I knew that video was gonna get posted as soon as Rainbow was mentioned :P


I withdraw the accusation.
It was indeed the fucking rodent that out-youtube'd me.


I was going to post it too! :D
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 11:48 am  •  [Post 19974]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
Gefan wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Gefan wrote:Goddamnit, Parsehole!!!

Tigzy actually :P
I knew that video was gonna get posted as soon as Rainbow was mentioned :P


I withdraw the accusation.
It was indeed the fucking rodent that out-youtube'd me.


I was going to post it too! :D

Same. It would have been pretty funny if 4 people posted it at the same time.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Gefan » Tue May 07, 2013 11:50 am  •  [Post 19975]

Git wrote:I'm going to go against the flow and stick up or Karla re. the WBC thing.

Let's face facts here: the WBC are the closest thing to a "Comedy Hate Group" in North America. They're the equivalent of Mary Whitehouse. They're a good fit to Peezus and A+Theism. Being able to wind them all up at the same time is a good thing (tm). So nice one Karla.


I'm with Git on this one.
At first glance I thought it was reasonably funny, and that was before we all got to picture Fred Phelps being mooned by a trans-woman.

Also, if it keeps the bastards away from soldiers' funerals I'm all for it.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby d4m10n » Tue May 07, 2013 11:50 am  •  [Post 19976]

When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 11:58 am  •  [Post 19977]

d4m10n wrote:When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798


Hmmm. Well that's curious, considering most of the commentators don't seem to regard the presence of the WBC as that big a deal. Why the volte face now, I wonder?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Jan Steen » Tue May 07, 2013 11:58 am  •  [Post 19978]

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby sacha » Tue May 07, 2013 12:00 pm  •  [Post 19979]

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby d4m10n » Tue May 07, 2013 12:01 pm  •  [Post 19980]

Tigzy wrote:
d4m10n wrote:When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798


Hmmm. Well that's curious, considering most of the commentators don't seem to regard the presence of the WBC as that big a deal. Why the volte face now, I wonder?


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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Kareem » Tue May 07, 2013 12:04 pm  •  [Post 19981]

jjbinx007 wrote:AtheismPlussers discuss which TV shows make them want to puke because of ableism/racism/patriarchy/anti-zombieism/etc.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4633

It starts out with

The Walking Dead

First and second seasons were chock full of gender essentialism


and soon descends into the usual AtheismPlus insanity such as someone being threatened with a permaban because they like Family Guy.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tony Parsehole » Tue May 07, 2013 12:04 pm  •  [Post 19982]

d4m10n wrote:When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798

Veeeeeerry interesting.....Good catch.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Dick Strawkins » Tue May 07, 2013 12:13 pm  •  [Post 19983]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
d4m10n wrote:When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798

Veeeeeerry interesting.....Good catch.

For some reason Janine's comment reminds me of some other group:
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I have seem plenty of WBC style protesters at various gay and lesbian events. When I have to go by them, I smile and wave at them. Besides being no where as confrontational in RL as opposed to here, these people are looking for people to express hatred and disdain towards them. It validates their self image of being martyrs and facing down evil.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 12:21 pm  •  [Post 19984]

Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby free thoughtpolice » Tue May 07, 2013 12:31 pm  •  [Post 19985]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
d4m10n wrote:When I heard the WBC might have been invited by one of ours (possibly because they are a sort of traveling clown-car of free comedic relief at the expense of fundamentalism) it rang a faint bell in the back of my head: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-285798

Veeeeeerry interesting.....Good catch.

For some reason Janine's comment reminds me of some other group:
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I have seem plenty of WBC style protesters at various gay and lesbian events. When I have to go by them, I smile and wave at them. Besides being no where as confrontational in RL as opposed to here, these people are looking for people to express hatred and disdain towards them. It validates their self image of being martyrs and facing down evil.
I refuse to play their little game.


Most of the comments are fairly positive about WBC attending this event, apparently because a known slymepitter didn't make the invitation.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Trophy » Tue May 07, 2013 12:38 pm  •  [Post 19986]

cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Yep. Pretty much the difference that counts. It's basically like saying "Hey, I don't like these guys. Please go and harrass them". Of course, the fact that they did not bother to worry about their safety with the first incident is quite telling.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 12:40 pm  •  [Post 19987]

cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


It wasn't just Jim Klawon's/National Atheist Party's rally, though. Here's a list of the official sponsors of the event:


American Atheists
American Humanist Association
Atheist Alliance of America
Atheist Nexus
The Brights
Camp Quest
Center for Inquiry



Foundation Beyond Belief
Freedom From Religion Foundation
Freethought Society
James Randi Educational Foundation
Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers
National Atheist Party
Richard Dawkins Foundation



Secular Coalition for America
Secular Student Alliance
Society for Humanistic Judaism
Stiefel Freethought Foundation
United Coalition of Reason
Washington Area Secular Humanists



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Rally#Sponsors

Still, I'm sure Klawon made sure that representatives of all these organisations co-signed the letter, right?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 12:54 pm  •  [Post 19988]

And frankly, I would be surprised if the CFI (fellow Reason Rally sponsor) thought at the time that Klawon's invite to the WBC would have been welcome, considering Melody's response to the Prune's tweet as regards Karla's little 'indiscretion': https://twitter.com/MelodyHensley/status/331558598188621824

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@OpheliaBenson This unbelievable. How low can they go? This is a good example.


Well, about as low as Jim Klawon I guess, Mel.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 1:05 pm  •  [Post 19989]

Are you trying to say you can't spot the difference in motivation between this Jim Klawon and Karla Porter?

I think you're just playing dumb actually.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby free thoughtpolice » Tue May 07, 2013 1:06 pm  •  [Post 19990]

hjhornbeck says
May 6, 2013 at 4:51 pm (UTC -7)
"It’s not harassment if someone else does it!"

Too true when Klawon did it wasn't harassment, in fact it apparently wasn't even a bad idea.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby d4m10n » Tue May 07, 2013 1:10 pm  •  [Post 19991]

From a strictly consequentialist perspective, I'm sort of at a loss to see the downside of having WBC protest an event, from the perspective of the event organisers. The most hated hate group in all the U.S. comes out to get their hate on, and that's supposed to make you look bad somehow?

I suppose there is always the risk that someone attacks them with boxcutters or porcupines or something like that, but as long as you can avoid that, the publicity bounce cannot hurt.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Tigzy » Tue May 07, 2013 1:14 pm  •  [Post 19992]

cunt wrote:Are you trying to say you can't spot the difference in motivation between this Jim Klawon and Karla Porter?

I think you're just playing dumb actually.


What, that Karla was trolling, and Jim was just doing it for shits and giggles?

Not that I give much of shit about their motivations, TBH. I just find it more interesting that amongst the baboons, the WBC turning up at the Reason Rally was seen as being a bit naughty-naughty, but with Karla involved, it's oh noes! Hate group! How low can they go! I won't even be able to express myself as a trans person now!
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby free thoughtpolice » Tue May 07, 2013 1:20 pm  •  [Post 19993]

:roll: I wanted to attend WiSC until I had a flashback of Tethys coming at me with a broken bottle and I had to curl up in a ball sobbing, comforted only by my pet cockroaches.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:39 pm  •  [Post 19994]

cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Stop buying the fucking FTB narrative. There was no invitation to protest. The word protest was not even used. KArla asked Shirley if she would be >>>>>ATTENDING<<<<< the event. Attending the event, of course, means that Shirley would register and attend the conference - not protest it.

...and so fucking what if the event were protested? WBC has a first amendment right to protest an event - and if they did, they would be far outside the event...which is inside a hotel. There is no protesting in the hotel.

Much ado about nothing.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:41 pm  •  [Post 19995]

Trophy wrote:
cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Yep. Pretty much the difference that counts. It's basically like saying "Hey, I don't like these guys. Please go and harrass them". Of course, the fact that they did not bother to worry about their safety with the first incident is quite telling.


No, it's not like saying "Please go and harass." Can you please point to where this is said and how Shirley's attendance necessarily means protesting?...and how the protesting would be inside the hotel, at the event?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby KiwiInOz » Tue May 07, 2013 1:44 pm  •  [Post 19996]

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What Karla Porter did was stupid, not because it would have resulted in harrassment of the attendees (I guess Shirley Phelps gets tons of these types of requests for her family to picket this or that event so they will have to avoid all but the ones most likely to generate publicity - and that's not going to be Melody's event) but because it gives the FTB crowd another stupid thing to whine about.

"Woe is us, Karla's sicc-ed a hate group on us" they wail, conveniently forgetting that they themselves ever so bravely released the real life name of Thunderf00t after he was expelled - someone whose life was threatened by real hate groups, not the piddling clowns of the WBC.


It's stupid on every level for multiple reasons. Too numerous and obvious to actually list.

As for TF00t. The FTB'ers did childishly and pointedly over-use his name once they'd decided he was enemy number 1, but they didn't "release" it.

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Probably zero, somebody else apparently alerted her to it.


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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:44 pm  •  [Post 19997]

It also should be noted that by FTB drawing attention to the tweet in question and talking about WBC, WBC has more motivation to attend the event since people are talking to them. FTB is not really concerned, but rather just want to throw Karla under the bus and really had nothing better to pick at. This tweet was months old and is now coming up why? I wonder...is this harassment according to Ophelia's standards? (See my signature)
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Dick Strawkins » Tue May 07, 2013 1:45 pm  •  [Post 19998]

justinvacula wrote:
cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Stop buying the fucking FTB narrative. There was no invitation to protest. The word protest was not even used. KArla asked Shirley if she would be >>>>>ATTENDING<<<<< the event. Attending the event, of course, means that Shirley would register and attend the conference - not protest it.

...and so fucking what if the event were protested? WBC has a first amendment right to protest an event - and if they did, they would be far outside the event...which is inside a hotel. There is no protesting in the hotel.

Much ado about nothing.


What?

Karla was asking if Shirley Phelps was attending ? :liar:

She's a big attender of atheist/skeptical events, is she?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:47 pm  •  [Post 19999]

I was quite surprised when I saw FTB writers resurrect Karla's early 2012 tweet concerning Shirley Phelps-Roper and the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference. As usual, commenters are hurling personal attacks at Karla following the respective blog posts.

Why the contempt for someone who draws attention of a disliked group -- such as the Westboro Baptist Church -- to a particular conference? ...and why reserve the hatred for Karla when PZ, months ago, suggested that writers from A Voice For Men (a site they consider a 'hate site') attend Women in Secularism 2?

You might remember this comment from PZ Myers following a comment from Ophelia Benson suggesting I am guilty of inspiring people to commit acts of terrorism:

"Well, heck. Maybe if they get enough money, they can send JohnTheOther and Roosh and Paul Elam and a few other MRAs to the event, too. It's kind of like having creationists show up at an evolution event. They'll just be regarded with pitying contempt." - PZ Myers

A Voice For Men, shortly following PZs comment, took notice of the suggestion that writers from A Voice For Men (JohnTheOther and Paul Elam) attend Women in Secularism 2. John created a video in which he asks his fans whether the conference is worth attending:



Should PZ Myers, then, draw ire from fellow Freethought Blogs writers and commenters -- like Karla did for tweeting to Shirley Phelps-Roper? In Karla's case, Shirley Phelps-Roper has announced no intentions to attend Women in Secularism 2; the tweet in question -- now 'revived' on Freethought Blogs -- disappeared into the ether of the internet.

What if writers from A Voice For Men attended the conference? What if they didn't? If writers from A Voice For Men attend Women in Secularism 2, should PZ Myers be to blame? If writers from A Voice For Men do not attend the conference, should PZ Myers still be to blame? After all, he and Benson had set a standard - that merely suggesting someone from a disliked group attend the conference or that drawing the attention of someone from a disliked group is immoral and worthy of contempt?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:48 pm  •  [Post 20000]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
justinvacula wrote:
cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Stop buying the fucking FTB narrative. There was no invitation to protest. The word protest was not even used. KArla asked Shirley if she would be >>>>>ATTENDING<<<<< the event. Attending the event, of course, means that Shirley would register and attend the conference - not protest it.

...and so fucking what if the event were protested? WBC has a first amendment right to protest an event - and if they did, they would be far outside the event...which is inside a hotel. There is no protesting in the hotel.

Much ado about nothing.


What?

Karla was asking if Shirley Phelps was attending ? :liar:

She's a big attender of atheist/skeptical events, is she?


Your point?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue May 07, 2013 1:52 pm  •  [Post 20001]

Git wrote:I'm going to go against the flow and stick up or Karla re. the WBC thing.

Let's face facts here: the WBC are the closest thing to a "Comedy Hate Group" in North America. They're the equivalent of Mary Whitehouse. They're a good fit to Peezus and A+Theism. Being able to wind them all up at the same time is a good thing (tm). So nice one Karla.


Couldn't agree more. My first reaction was a bit of a cringe, then I got real. It's a cheap laugh with bugger-all consequences other than possibly wasting some of WBC's time and dramatic vapour attacks by the snowflakes. My interest in the politics and PR around the 'schism' is diminishing by the day. I think a lot of us have been sucked into some alternative universe with no connection to the real one. Who gives a shit if some precious self-regarding nutbars are exposed to a few placards when entering a building.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 1:53 pm  •  [Post 20002]

Oh, i'm sorry Justin but in this case it looks like they're right. Karla did not just ask if Phelps was >>attending<<. She asked whether Shirley Phelps would "grace it with her [Phelps] presence?".

I'm not buying this disingenuous bullshit. You don't ask Shirley Phelps, famous protesting nutcase, that because you think she might actually be interested in going as an attendee.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 1:54 pm  •  [Post 20003]

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What is Melody talking about?

Washington D.C. is not even on the WBC schedule from May 17-22...

http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 2:04 pm  •  [Post 20004]

Almost like... they're all booked. She's not worried about them actually "attending"....
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby justinvacula » Tue May 07, 2013 2:15 pm  •  [Post 20005]

Ophelia continues the false threat narrative with an 'update'
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... p-trouble/

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Here's the deal. I have a very good relationship with the Westboro Baptist Church. I have Steve Drain's personal phone number. He returns my messages. He even contacts me with story ideas. I have published many articles concerning Westboro when I had written for Examiner.com (https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab& ... 66&bih=643).

This is no threat, but a simple demonstration of the lack of my willingness to have WBC protest the event. If I wanted to really troll the event, again, I can have that arranged by having WBC attend...but I have not and will not. ...and that goes for any event whether it be the local gay pride festival I attend annually, military events, local funerals, etc. I haven't called upon WBC to be my personal army and really have no interest. I have the capacity and don't use it.

Again, I await the ire PZ Myers will face for alerting AVFM to #WIScfi and suggesting AVFM writers attend the conference, but we know that won't happen. AVFM even responded and made a video following PZ's comment - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW9z0HkJ1LQ)!

It's only OK when FTB does it, though.

Karla's tweet has been 'dead' and now resurrected by FTB.
I wonder...if WBC protests or attends, is it Karla's fault? Or maybe PZ and Ophelia's fault for resurrecting a tweet, mentioning WBC, etc? Anyway, as Karla says, WISCFI is a public event. WBC does as they will and does not need the hand of Karla (or Justin) to draw them to an event they probably already knew about anyway.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Bourne Skeptic » Tue May 07, 2013 2:22 pm  •  [Post 20006]

justinvacula wrote:Ophelia continues the false threat narrative with an 'update'
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... p-trouble/

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Here's the deal. I have a very good relationship with the Westboro Baptist Church. I have Steve Drain's personal phone number. He returns my messages. He even contacts me with story ideas. I have published many articles concerning Westboro when I had written for Examiner.com (https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab& ... 66&bih=643).

This is no threat, but a simple demonstration of the lack of my willingness to have WBC protest the event. If I wanted to really troll the event, again, I can have that arranged by having WBC attend...but I have not and will not. ...and that goes for any event whether it be the local gay pride festival I attend annually, military events, local funerals, etc. I haven't called upon WBC to be my personal army and really have no interest. I have the capacity and don't use it.

Again, I await the ire PZ Myers will face for alerting AVFM to #WIScfi and suggesting AVFM writers attend the conference, but we know that won't happen. AVFM even responded and made a video following PZ's comment - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW9z0HkJ1LQ)!

It's only OK when FTB does it, though.

Karla's tweet has been 'dead' and now resurrected by FTB.
I wonder...if WBC protests or attends, is it Karla's fault? Or maybe PZ and Ophelia's fault for resurrecting a tweet, mentioning WBC, etc? Anyway, as Karla says, WISCFI is a public event. WBC does as they will and does not need the hand of Karla (or Justin) to draw them to an event they probably already knew about anyway.


The more time I spend listening to both sides of the atheist schism the more they sound alike.

This sounds like more manufactured conflict!
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Tue May 07, 2013 2:50 pm  •  [Post 20007]

Getting a bit too much for me, what with WBC, WIS2, Karla, Justin, and all. I'll just bail out of the discussion and resume my peanut gallery posts.

My opinion: no fucking point in engaging WBC. Even for lulz. Bad Karla, bad! And Justin: don't try and rationalize that stuff. Bad Justin, bad!
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 2:53 pm  •  [Post 20008]

Let's give Justin the biggest medal. He could get the WBC to protest local funerals, but he doesn't, on account of his super-human levels of restraint.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby free thoughtpolice » Tue May 07, 2013 3:00 pm  •  [Post 20009]

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
justinvacula wrote:Ophelia continues the false threat narrative with an 'update'
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... p-trouble/

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Here's the deal. I have a very good relationship with the Westboro Baptist Church. I have Steve Drain's personal phone number. He returns my messages. He even contacts me with story ideas. I have published many articles concerning Westboro when I had written for Examiner.com (https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab& ... 66&bih=643).

This is no threat, but a simple demonstration of the lack of my willingness to have WBC protest the event. If I wanted to really troll the event, again, I can have that arranged by having WBC attend...but I have not and will not. ...and that goes for any event whether it be the local gay pride festival I attend annually, military events, local funerals, etc. I haven't called upon WBC to be my personal army and really have no interest. I have the capacity and don't use it.

Again, I await the ire PZ Myers will face for alerting AVFM to #WIScfi and suggesting AVFM writers attend the conference, but we know that won't happen. AVFM even responded and made a video following PZ's comment - (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW9z0HkJ1LQ)!

It's only OK when FTB does it, though.

Karla's tweet has been 'dead' and now resurrected by FTB.
I wonder...if WBC protests or attends, is it Karla's fault? Or maybe PZ and Ophelia's fault for resurrecting a tweet, mentioning WBC, etc? Anyway, as Karla says, WISCFI is a public event. WBC does as they will and does not need the hand of Karla (or Justin) to draw them to an event they probably already knew about anyway.


The more time I spend listening to both sides of the atheist schism the more they sound alike.

This sounds like more manufactured conflict!


I'm sure I'm not the first to suspect that this FTB/Slymepit/A+ phenom is three trolls (PZ, franc hoggle, and twisty farter) that have created armies of sockpuppets to battle each other, creating drama and internet hits.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Dick Strawkins » Tue May 07, 2013 3:04 pm  •  [Post 20010]

It's weird. For some reason Justin, Karla, Ophelia and Shirley Phelps all evoke the same feeling in me.
I just can't put my finger on what it is they bring to mind...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Trophy » Tue May 07, 2013 3:05 pm  •  [Post 20011]

justinvacula wrote:
cunt wrote:Big difference between inviting them to protest your own event and seeing if they might be interested in protesting somebody else's.


Stop buying the fucking FTB narrative. There was no invitation to protest. The word protest was not even used. KArla asked Shirley if she would be >>>>>ATTENDING<<<<< the event. Attending the event, of course, means that Shirley would register and attend the conference - not protest it.

...and so fucking what if the event were protested? WBC has a first amendment right to protest an event - and if they did, they would be far outside the event...which is inside a hotel. There is no protesting in the hotel.

Much ado about nothing.


Did you decide to take off the "self-promotion" hat and wear the "dunce" one? Since when WBC "attends" atheist or skeptism conferences? If they show up for anything, they are there to protest, harrass and show their stupid signs.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby d4m10n » Tue May 07, 2013 3:15 pm  •  [Post 20012]

If I die in a fire anytime soon, could one of you guys arrange for WBC to picket my funeral? I'll be buried only about four hours from Topeka so it's basically a day trip. Thanks!

But seriously though, what's with the fear-mongering here? I've attended three or four WBC events, as a counter-protestor, as a photographer, as a bystander. They just stand there, usually blocks away from the event under protest, looking and sounding like a clutch of hateful inbred kooks waving their multicoloured signage. People make fun of them for a bit, and then they go home. They are, as a group, less fearsome and more lawful than Francisco Bacopa and his Occupy Houston cronies.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby TheMudbrooker » Tue May 07, 2013 3:16 pm  •  [Post 20013]

justinvacula wrote:
Stop buying the fucking FTB narrative. There was no invitation to protest. The word protest was not even used. KArla asked Shirley if she would be >>>>>ATTENDING<<<<< the event. Attending the event, of course, means that Shirley would register and attend the conference - not protest it.


Justin, you seem like a bright enough kid, but if your best argument is to play cutesy little semantic games, it's best to quit now, you've lost.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Trophy » Tue May 07, 2013 3:17 pm  •  [Post 20014]

Dick Strawkins wrote:It's weird. For some reason Justin, Karla, Ophelia and Shirley Phelps all evoke the same feeling in me.
I just can't put my finger on what it is they bring to mind...

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It's a bit unfair to put the attention-whoring capabilties of Justin, Karla, Ophelia, and Shirley Phelps at the same level. One of them has taken the art of attention-whoring to a totally different level. Can't tell which one though, cuz it's a secret.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby AbsurdWalls » Tue May 07, 2013 3:27 pm  •  [Post 20015]

cunt wrote:Let's give Justin the biggest medal. He could get the WBC to protest local funerals, but he doesn't, on account of his super-human levels of restraint.


Quite.

What a load of wank.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 3:42 pm  •  [Post 20016]

d4m10n wrote:But seriously though, what's with the fear-mongering here? I've attended three or four WBC events, as a counter-protestor, as a photographer, as a bystander. They just stand there, usually blocks away from the event under protest, looking and sounding like a clutch of hateful inbred kooks waving their multicoloured signage. People make fun of them for a bit, and then they go home. They are, as a group, less fearsome and more lawful than Francisco Bacopa and his Occupy Houston cronies.


Have you been reading a different thread or something? Point out the part where anyone said the WBC were ever a legitimate threat to anything.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby d4m10n » Tue May 07, 2013 3:48 pm  •  [Post 20017]

Ok, cunt, let's say they aren't a threat to anyone and will do nothing but stand well outside of the con looking like fools for all to see. Given this total lack of (foreseeable) negative consequences, what exactly did Porter do wrong?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby cunt » Tue May 07, 2013 3:59 pm  •  [Post 20018]

Attempted to disrupt a meeting that she doesn't like by setting a bunch of fundamentalist shit-heads against it.

By no means do I think this is the worst thing to ever have happened in the world. Or that Karla is the absolute worst person for doing it. She's not. What it was though, is extremely petty and spiteful. Disingenuous bullshit isn't going to change that. Red Herrings about actual threat level, are not going to change that.
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby Guest » Tue May 07, 2013 4:01 pm  •  [Post 20019]

free thoughtpolice wrote:I'm sure I'm not the first to suspect that this FTB/Slymepit/A+ phenom is three trolls (PZ, franc hoggle, and twisty farter) that have created armies of sockpuppets to battle each other, creating drama and internet hits.

everyone knows justinvacula is a sockpuppet of ophelia benson. what else can explain all the linkwhoring?
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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

Postby peterb » Tue May 07, 2013 4:03 pm  •  [Post 20020]

d4m10n wrote:Ok, cunt, let's say they aren't a threat to anyone and will do nothing but stand well outside of the con looking like fools for all to see. Given this total lack of (foreseeable) negative consequences, what exactly did Porter do wrong?


Here's a question for you: was Karla's tweet intended to raise or lower the odds that WiS would succeed, with success being defined by the organizers? What does it look like her intent was? If you think her intent was entirely neutral on is issue (unlikely, but possible), what exactly should a reasonable person not knowing Karla personally think the likelihood was as to her intent?

Ok, that was more than one question, but you get the point.
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