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http://i.imgur.com/AXeKtYr.jpg
FOR SCIENCE!
Congratulations! Now, there's how we expect you to show up for the paper's presentation:
Ugh. All their self-involved obsessing about problems they'll rarely or never encounter. Most of the time they're just boasting, or reminding people of their (largely psychogenic) "health" issues.Hunt wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-611392
Wait, no space blanket? You mean to tell me you keep enough crap in your bag to survive a night on Everest, while remaining connected and able to fight off a horny fellow climber, and no space blanket? You know, it CAN get down to freezing in the desert at night.On backpacks: I can’t always use them, unfortunately, and sometimes I don’t have enough crap to justify wearing one.
Shit whut I keep in the bags I carry:
multi-tool
a police baton
antacids
pens and pencils
a tablet (Galaxy Note)
aspirin
spare pads
caffeinated gum
my meds
spare bottle of water (it’s a desert around here. Stay hydrated or pass out.)
instant coffee
a few packets of sugar for the coffee
anti-nausea and/or bloating pills (my stomach is not a happy camper often)
a window popper (a tool for breaking safety glass)
a granola bar or packet of nuts (I forget to eat often)
lip balm
wallet
phone
keys
spare deodorant (I forget sometimes on the way out of the door)
sunscreen
a few safety pins
a Kindle
shit to grade or projects unable to be stored on the tablet
So, you know, enough shit to merit a bag, if I can remember to keep toting it along.
They don't make Social Justice Warrior like they used to to, do they?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Atheism Plus practical clothes. I'm all out of facepalms.
70 dollars? There are a lot of online courses that are free: coursera, edX, and udacity for example. However, none of those have many philosophy courses that I've seen. If you aren't picky about video lectures there's MIT OpenCourseWare. And I'd be surprised if there weren't some halfway decent philosophy videos somewhere on youtube.Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed that Carrier is touting an online course that he's involved with run by the CFI.
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
It's on the subject of 'Free Will'
I looked up the details and it appears to be a series of video lectures with the chance to ask questions online of the instructors.
There's no written work and no grading.
Fair enough, you may say, it seems to be a useful service run by the CFI.
They get a lot of charitable donations and membership fees and it's good that they give something back in the form of an educational resource to the community.
But wait, what's that?
I can't simply sign up?
I have to pay 70 dollars (!) for the privilege of watching these clips?
I'm not suggesting that Carrier or his co-lecturer John Shook should do these for free, but is it really necessary for the CFI to charge such a fee for people to watch the clips?
Shouldn't they be using the money they get from normal activities to provide these clips to the community at large rather than restrict them to the economically advantaged?
Wouldn't that be a better use of resources rather than flying people in from all around the US and hosting them at the Washington Marriot?
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
Basically, Justin is crashing their sexism party. They won't be able to make male-bashing jokes/comments/statements/opinions without someone being there to record them for posterity. So it'll be less fun for them.Steersman wrote:That’s really tough there, Stephanie, you being obliged to be less dogmatic than you might otherwise have been – no longer preaching just to the faithful.On the other hand, if [Justin] attends, I will have a much less productive conference. Everything I do or say will be observed and reported on by a hostile party. Sarcasm and even obvious jokes will be off the table. So will unguarded exchanges about challenges, which was one of the most productive parts of last year’s conference.
We may not or we may or we must shape our agendas to appeal to groups of people whose relationships to these various issues are very different from the relationships of the white, cisgendered, educated, middle-class to upper-class men who have shaped the traditional concerns of our movements.
You know something, I'll be honest with you. I actually do think that in a lot of ways, the skeptical/atheist movement would be better off it was it was more accessible to those with less formal education and those with less economic resources. And as for sexuality? I'm not sure how it matters all that much, when it comes to skepticism.As others, including Submariner, have done, one has to wonder – and she has been remarkably loath to answer – how it is that membership in those various classes has negatively impacted the “traditional concerns†if not the principles of atheism, skepticism and secularism. Seems to be some questionable bias there that should raise a few warning flags.
I have said the very same thing to Justin. That all this pre-event conversation about his attendance, certain individuals effectively putting him on warning with all the - I'm warning you to not get near me, not talk to me, don't approach me -business, are an intent to keep him standing in the hall. And the post-event conversations will be all about how they put him in his place and 'won'. In reality, I think it will be a loss for everyone involved because conferences are for networking, education and engagement - not shunning. This would be exactly the right type of environment for everyone to grab their favorite beverage and sit down together after hours to hash it out and MAKE AMENDS. To walk away with agreements on how to move forward productively.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:MKG:
Yeah, sure, it's a bit blown over. Personally I'm not much worried about the con itself. One thing that might happen and would be really worth mocking, would be if Myers or Benson cross paths with Justin at some point and he does nothing, maybe a nod or a hand-wave. I would bet they would take this home as a "win". Something like "the little coward didn't even dare address us".
Just a gut-feeling, though, and I may be proven wrong.
Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.
Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.
There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
Yes!! This is now a requirement! (...and congrats on the publication Miss Smith!)Southern wrote:Congratulations! Now, there's how we expect you to show up for the paper's presentation:
http://i.imgur.com/AXeKtYr.jpg
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Exactly. As I said, the conference title should be changed to "PZ, Ophie, and Zvan Think Vacula Has Kooties So Neener-Neener".FrankGrimes wrote:Seriously, what is all this silliness? You could say that JV is just trying to exercise his right to free speech, except for the fact that he's not stated that he'll be saying anything to.. anyone!
This stuff about him being a (predicted) threat seems nothing more than childish, schoolyard, us vs them shit. It really is a new low.
It boggles the mind and it makes me glad I don't feel the need to attend these conferences. Meanwhile, people in the real world have real world problems and some people even solve other people's real word problems for them because that's just what they do.
Oh and best wishes to you Renee and your partner.
I would say I was bored with this JV guy too but that would mean I'd have to be interested in the first place. He did have a pretty good mo' once though from what I've read.Lsuoma wrote:Regarding Justin Vacula's attendance at the conference, I hope it all goes very smoothly and the drama llamas, whoever they are, have nothing to pontificate about.
Basically, I'm just bored with Justin Vacula and Justin Vacula's endless self promotion - it's been part of the Pit ever since Justin Vacula signed up, and there was an early thread about Justin Vacula, shortly afterwards. Justin Vacula has not changed since then, and to an extent only rivaled by Cobweb Cunt, Justin Vacula always makes it about...
...Justin Vacula.
It's got to the point where I don't read Justin Vacula any more because I don't need to - Justin Vacula will always be talking about...
...Justin Vacula.
I understand Welch ranting about Justin Vacula, and I think he's right - Justin Vacula renders Justin Vacula's input pretty much worthless in many cases by going on about how Justin Vacula has been treated by others, how Justin Vacula interprets the situation, and what Justin Vacula plans to do in Justin Vacula's next post (and how Justin Vacula has dealt with in in previous posts by Justin Vacula).
So, Justin Vacula's posts (by Justin Vacula, don't you know!) don't get read by this non-reader of Justin Vacula.
YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
I have no idea what it must be like for either of you and I wouldn't know either of you from a bar of soap but best wishes again for the healing period.ReneeHendricks wrote:Exactly. As I said, the conference title should be changed to "PZ, Ophie, and Zvan Think Vacula Has Kooties So Neener-Neener".
And thanks, Frank. He just has to heal now. All the radiation crap is done.
Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.
Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.
There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
One of the main things I've concluded in the process of watching this whole mess play out is that these quasi-well known personalities (FtB, Skepchick, etc.) and groups like CFI are no longer in it for the betterment of the community (if they ever were)- they play their 'activism' solely for the benefit of themselves. The circular, self serving, self promoting, incestuous relationships that can be seen by who is chosen to speak at these cons says it all. This is why I let my membership to CFI expire - they no longer represent the skeptical community or even skepticism and why I also stopped visiting FtB. I've also learned that 'atheist/skeptics' are generally no brighter than the rest of the population and are perfectly willing to let a new set of people do their thinking for them, including being fleeced in the process.Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed that Carrier is touting an online course that he's involved with run by the CFI.
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
It's on the subject of 'Free Will'
I looked up the details and it appears to be a series of video lectures with the chance to ask questions online of the instructors.
There's no written work and no grading.
Fair enough, you may say, it seems to be a useful service run by the CFI.
They get a lot of charitable donations and membership fees and it's good that they give something back in the form of an educational resource to the community.
But wait, what's that?
I can't simply sign up?
I have to pay 70 dollars (!) for the privilege of watching these clips?
I'm not suggesting that Carrier or his co-lecturer John Shook should do these for free, but is it really necessary for the CFI to charge such a fee for people to watch the clips?
Shouldn't they be using the money they get from normal activities to provide these clips to the community at large rather than restrict them to the economically advantaged?
Wouldn't that be a better use of resources rather than flying people in from all around the US and hosting them at the Washington Marriot?
http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site ... iew=Detail
Glad to see your guy made it through the last few weeks of treatment. Hopefully, the worst is over and the healing will go quickly.ReneeHendricks wrote:
And thanks, Frank. He just has to heal now. All the radiation crap is done.
I wonder if they are in for a shock with Ishida in the not too distant future.cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.
Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.
There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
It's PZ's attempt to show just how feminist he is, just like in the post he wrote about Twisty's brilliant (hysterical and ludcrious) insights into feminism and patriarchal culture. He's alienated a lot of the Atheist community already, so the only move he's got left is to become the poster boy for social justice in the Atheist movement. Play up to your audience and keep getting your niche hits and conference bookings. It's clear he hasn't seriously considered the actual content of half the links he posts, if their abundant criticisms of both from those inside the feminist community.Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.
Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.
There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
Ishida knows how to draw but unless this is a lead up to a big punchline it is completely over the top.AbsurdWalls wrote:I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
And really, don't even most political cartoons have a bit of humor (even if it's usually black)? That thing looks like a rad-fem equivalent of a Chick Tract (don't know if these things make it out of North American but if you're curious and willing to risk having your brain melt ... http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp )AbsurdWalls wrote:I have seen newspaper political cartoons with more subtlety.cunt wrote:Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
The thing is, PZ could probably fit in with the pro-porn feminist camp quite easily. We all know that he enjoys hentai tentacle porn. He is like Greta Christina in terms of how he personally accepts pornography.Nim_Chimpsky wrote:It's PZ's attempt to show just how feminist he is, just like in the post he wrote about Twisty's brilliant (hysterical and ludcrious) insights into feminism and patriarchal culture. He's alienated a lot of the Atheist community already, so the only move he's got left is to become the poster boy for social justice in the Atheist movement. Play up to your audience and keep getting your niche hits and conference bookings. It's clear he hasn't seriously considered the actual content of half the links he posts, if their abundant criticisms of both from those inside the feminist community.Dick Strawkins wrote:Speaking of Peezus, he had a post the other day about Tatsuya Ishida, the writer of the webcomic Sinfest.Hunt wrote:You know, I think I've finally figured out why PZ writes posts like that. It's not that he actually believes that things like clothing can be oppression. Otherwise, why no post on 70s bell-bottoms, which would then have been a massive misanthropic campaign to destroy humanity. It's his weird way of flirting with his harem of SJW women.
A couple of years ago Ishida radically changed the political tone of his comic to that of a distinctly porn-negative (and indeed sex negative) feminist stance.
There has been a lot of criticism over this stance, not least from feminists themselves:
http://lurknomoar.tumblr.com/post/48141 ... nism-wrong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11142078
When we are at the stage where even Charlie Brown is seen as needing a restraining order for being a sexual pervert then it is time to wonder if it's gone a step too far.
Peezes, on the other hand, seems to think Ishida is doing everything correctly.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ya-ishida/
I’ve been following him for many years, and one of the interesting things you can see as he matured is that he’s gone from drawing pimp ninjas and geisha sluts to developing a very feminist sensibility.
Look at his latest, for instance — no words at all, but he still gets across regret at what patriarchal culture has done.
There’s been a striking transformation going on. I’d really like to hear in his own words what’s going on through his head…but his art seems to be doing a fine job of communicating.
Also, the Charlie Brown and Fifty Shade Grey comics, written by that Ishida are absolutely ludicrous. Though he is a talented artist.
What complete bullshit. Take away the ultra-modern drawing style and we're left with a Stalinist level of propaganda.cunt wrote: Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
No straight man. If you're gay you go into the pit and the patriarchy demon doesn't force you to watch. This is why there is no gay porn on the internet.Tony Parsehole wrote:What complete bullshit. Take away the ultra-modern drawing style and we're left with a Stalinist level of propaganda.cunt wrote: Never heard of it before, but holy shit the latest one that Peezus is praising. http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=4618
So, the patriarchy exists online and it works like a totalitarian nightmare dictatorship in which women are thrown screaming into a pit along with homosexuals and transexuals while men are made to worship masculinity (and presumably heterosexuality) through implied threats of violence and the forced consumption of internet porn.
Uh, yeah, I think i'll stick with three word phrase.
No truth
No facts
No subtlety
And what is with these cunts demonising porn? I suppose porn is completely fine to watch, star in and write about if you're Greta Christina but woe-betide any beastly man who dares wank over it.
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
I think Greta makes a very good case about infighting and disagreement! If only she practiced what she preached. :?d4m10n wrote:Greta has ticked off so many items on my personal "list of dealbreakers" that it's difficult to admit that this is mostly good advice, I hope she sticks to it going forward.Skep tickle wrote:Greta Christina boards the anti-Vacula train by claiming to welcome disagreement.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... hy-debate/
Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!d4m10n wrote:No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Personally, I like the kid. Is he a bit self promoting? Sure. Is he a bit naive? Yes. What matters to me is that he is active in the real world in church-state separation issues and other secular issues. Someone wrote that Vacula has done more in real world activism than 99% of the atheists and secularists online.d4m10n wrote:No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
You forgot the dead Russian. Have to watch out for those guys...Dick Strawkins wrote:Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!d4m10n wrote: No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.
Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Strange that the very worst they have ever publicly come up with is a misidentified 15 year old obsessive storyifier from England, a couple of atheist women from the US who want nothing to do with them, and now Vacula.
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@ool0n You must not be very observant or you really think everyone is as biased as you are in their ethical stances. I have said/cc @aratina
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@ool0n *Big* difference between what you call a stalker and what one actually is. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n When those "stalkers" start contacting your loved one's medical team, come back and talk to me about it. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n When one of those "stalkers" purposely hunts down your children and family members to harass, talk to me then. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n I laugh about Dawn Gordon because after 5 years of her insane stalking crap, I'm entitled. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@reneehendricks Yes, let me say there is NO relation between your situation and the haphazard use of "stalker" by ---> @ool0n @aratina
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@AmbrosiaX It always gets me when supposedly intelligent people toss around that word so easily. @ool0n @aratina
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@reneehendricks So @AmbrosiaX was full of it then. Yours is a real stalker and you laugh about her so the principle is invalid... @aratina
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@ool0n And *my* point is way 2 many of the provics out there throw the word "stalker" around w/out knowing its meaning. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n I got added into this conversation after the fact so I've no fucking clue what it was about prior to my addition @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@reneehendricks @AmbrosiaX @aratina … Apparently laughing about ur stalking invalidates it. You r pro-vic as u put it
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@ool0n No, it doesn't invalidate it. It makes it so I don't punch a hole in my monitor. Again. Big difference ... @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n .... what you deem a stalker and what one really is. If you can't understand this, we're done with this convo. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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@ool0n So, what is your opinion, Ool0n? Tell us your assessment. @reneehendricks @aratina
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 46m
@ool0n What I think is that you have no stance because you are a spineless troll. You're trying to get under @reneehendricks 's skin.
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oolon @ool0n 46m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks @aratina Your words in that tweet r blatantly wrong. Laughing about it is perfectly valid as a coping mechanism
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oolon @ool0n 46m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks @aratina Renee said it
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Renee Hendricks @reneehendricks 45m
@ool0n ABOUT ACTUAL STALKERS, DUMBASS! Not the whiny provic bitches. @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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oolon @ool0n 45m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Not happy I used her example to show how wrong your point was eh :-)
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oolon @ool0n 44m
@reneehendricks No particular incident or stalker was mention by @AmbrosiaX. Read her tweet again it was a general principle @aratina
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 43m
@ool0n Ok, so do you agree with my rule and do you think DG is a stalker? Your attempts at side stepping are so lame. @reneehendricks
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Renee Hendricks @reneehendricks 42m
@ool0n I agree with @AmbrosiaX. You drug me into this to get under my skin. WTG. My 1st day of no rad. therapy w/my guy and ... @aratina
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oolon @ool0n 42m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks I used that as an example of how a victim of stalking does laugh about it. Renee is justified in doing so...
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Renee Hendricks @reneehendricks 42m
@ool0n ... I get to read your dumbass crap this morning. Do me a favor and just fuck off for the day, ok? @AmbrosiaX @aratina
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 42m
@ool0n Then tell me if the Pitter are stalkers. If they are not, where you have told your friends that they were wrong. @reneehendricks
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 40m
@ool0n Oh, I see. Now you're on a different issue, the veracity of my claim. Show me a reference to back up your statement. @aratina
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oolon @ool0n 39m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Nope u said it as a general principle which Renee disproves. It is fine to laugh at and about stalkers
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Renee Hendricks @reneehendricks 39m
@ool0n Not the same situation, at all. Now, kindly FUCK OFF, Oolon. @AmbrosiaX
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oolon @ool0n 38m
@AmbrosiaX @aratina Same issue from the start. Ur being slow as I'm saying renee is right to laugh about her stalker. As is anyone.
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 38m
@ool0n You are so unintentionally funny, you're almost on par with PZ. I'm telling you that you are scrambling for a point. @reneehendricks
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oolon @ool0n 37m
@reneehendricks @AmbrosiaX Will do. Not trolling u. Actually saying u handle dg well and laughing is a good strategy
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 37m
@ool0n I'm telling you that if you act like an ignorant troll, no one is going to talk to you. I think only I still do! @reneehendricks
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oolon @ool0n 37m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks One point. Does your original tweet hold up as a principle?
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oolon @ool0n 36m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Im telling you your tweet to ftbullies is wrong but u ain't getting it. On purpose or not :-)
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 36m
@ool0n I am also telling you that it is not amusing to take an issue that you think could be very serious & try to make... @reneehendricks
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 34m
@ool0n ...it part of your fumbling attempts at catching someone in a logical contradiction. It doesn't make you smart... @reneehendricks
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oolon @ool0n 34m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks I don't think its amusing for you to spread disinformation about what are valid ways of dealing with stalkers
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 34m
@ool0n ...again, it makes you an asshole who everyone is going to ignore. @reneehendricks
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oolon @ool0n 33m
@AmbrosiaX @reneehendricks Really don't want to address the question do you!
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 31m
@ool0n Where is the reference I asked you for? Where does it say people should laugh at stalkers, as you are claiming is correct?
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 30m
@ool0n What do you do for a living? You have very little analytical ability and your knowledge of science is elementary at best.
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oolon @ool0n 29m
@AmbrosiaX Read your tweet I responded to. Renee laughs at her stalker and is right to. Not according to that tweet.
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oolon @ool0n 28m
@AmbrosiaX Haha don't like being caught out. I saw @aratina got u on a lie about melody. Same response :-)
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oolon @ool0n 28m
@AmbrosiaX You can have my science PhD back. Lol
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 25m
@ool0n Don't pout Ool0n, one day someone will take you seriously. *snicker*
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oolon @ool0n 24m
@AmbrosiaX Hope not... But I constantly get that from ure side. Projection much?
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 23m
@ool0n More evidence that you're a troll. 1st, SimonBlowz asked for a reference, not @aratina . 2nd, there was not inaccuracy evident in...
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 22m
@ool0n what I actually tweeted since I didn't say who Melody was talking about and neither did Simon. I did choose to say I thought
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 21m
@ool0n she was talking about Sharon because that was not a lie. That was the truth and one that matched everyone else's interpretation...
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 20m
@ool0n But, you feeling defeated bc you have said nothing and pissed off Renee just to try to get under our skin and failed to prove me...
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 19m
@ool0n wrong, you search through our timelines like a horny teenager flipping through a Sears catalogue. I'm sorry you came up dry and this
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 18m
@ool0n frustrates you. Since you have shown time and time again that you cannot have a logical debate without bending the truth & scattering
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 17m
@ool0n points much like I imagine your boy juice does when you see an opportunity to troll on someone else's conversation, I have no choice
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AmbrosiaX @AmbrosiaX 15m
@ool0n but to go back to our original relationship. That would be where I blocked you in response to you blocking me. I shall not miss you.
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oolon @ool0n 15m
@AmbrosiaX Lol. Ur definitely making me look like I was trolling for a reaction with this ad hom rant. :-lll
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oolon @ool0n 13m
Never disagree with @AmbrosiaX it means a blocking is coming ure way! #FTBullies
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Phil Plait has a high amount of intellectual integrity and honesty and cares about statistical accuracy. When it came to that issue, he was more or less at the summit of the skeptical ideal. In stark contrast, Rebecca Watson seems to prefer to chill out in the base camp.
Ophelia Benson was right about you, you sick monster. YOU ARE MAKING A GENERATION OF CUNT KICKERS!I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
Phil Plait has a high amount of intellectual integrity and honesty and cares about statistical accuracy. When it came to that issue, he was more or less at the summit of the skeptical ideal. In stark contrast, Rebecca Watson seems to prefer to chill out in the base camp.
She's assuming that there will be nobody else in the room that might not agree with her, or might point out something she said?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I think CFI will have to be very careful in their decisions if there happens to be reports against Justin. They'd better make sure they have all the evidence needed if they take actions. Else, it's going to look quite bad for them.
A bit like Stephanie regretting she won't be able to say certain things because there's a hostile in the room. What, she thinks Justin will take what she says without generous interpretation? That may well be the case, and would be totally deserved, seeing as a lot of people are at the Pit today because something they said was taken with the least generous interpretation. What's sauce for the glaargh is sauce for the shtubuu, and all that...
No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.d4m10n wrote:Lsuoma wrote: YMMV (Your mileage may Vacula).
That picture is crying out for a childishly-drawn-cock.windy wrote:You forgot the dead Russian. Have to watch out for those guys...Dick Strawkins wrote:Well considering the claims that there's hundreds of rape threatening harrassers amongst the online atheist community you would think that they would have plenty of people who need to be banned - and for very good reason too!d4m10n wrote: No fear, in just a few short weeks the SJW will find someone new at whom to blare their threat narrative clown horns. I'm betting on Mykeru, of course.
Just out of curiosity, given the reasons behind this unfortunate round of Vaculation, who else have they tried to ban from cons other than Sacha and Abbie and the guy from the ElevatorGATE blog?
Strange that the very worst they have ever publicly come up with is a misidentified 15 year old obsessive storyifier from England, a couple of atheist women from the US who want nothing to do with them, and now Vacula.
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He does make it easy for her though doesn't he.RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
That's a spectacularly wank attempt at smearing. Never has a barrel been so scraped.RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
Wait, so is RW saying that because JV allowed the posted "joke image" to remain on his facebook page that he actually MADE the joke?Tony Parsehole wrote:That's a spectacularly wank attempt at smearing. Never has a barrel been so scraped.RichardReed84 wrote:Thought you guys might like to see how Rebecca Watson is attempting to smear Justin Vacula http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... in-vacula/
More fucking misogynist speak, just because you dress it up with words like dongle and fork, doesn't make it any fucking less rapey. You guys think you are oh so smart with your secrect tech rape language, the SJW are onto you and Greta is intent on slaving your hard drive to her master. We are going to fatal error you floppy disks.Lsuoma wrote:Networking glitch at ISP.
Try SCE to AUX...Lsuoma wrote:Networking glitch at ISP.
Yes. You read that right - the StevoR issuing the challenge that we should behave like reasonable people and not internet clowns is the very same StevoR who regularly posts about how all them muslims are, at this very moment, plottingStevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!
April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am (UTC -5)
Stephanie Zvan : You (along with pretty much all of of the B bloggers) have my admiration and respect and my sympathies for being put through this hate campaign for whatever little that may be worth.
Vacula and your fellow slimepitters – you seem to be such utterly contemptible, sad and petty people lost in your own all devouring cesspit of hatred against people who have done you no wrong and who are seeking to do you no wrong.
My advice to you is just drop this whole issue and rethink your lives and attitudes. Please.
Justin Vacula if you do go to the Women In Scepticism conference you have an opportunity.
An opportunity to sit back, listen seriously, learn and gain a new perspective or two and an improved understanding and appreciation of others views and life generally.
Alternatively its an opportunity if you so choose to (again) be a silly schmuck who perhaps annoys a few people who already dislike you, humiliates yourself and perhaps gets thrown out for your own misbehaviour.
So you probably have an opportunity here to surprise us and prove us wrong about you by choosing wisely -the former option over the latter one.
Here’s my challenge to you, refute me, Ophelia, PZ and others by showing you can behave like a reasonable, decent human being who is capable of learning and not just being a internet clown whose unfunny performances turn off and disgust most people who encounter or read about you.
That assertion is in total conflict with your "mid 2ndC" detection.Michael K Gray wrote:Sorry, but this is so fucking vague and unreferenced as to be placed in the clear category of "lies you have been told".Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Based on indirect references, the first Markan gospel seems to have appeared c. 145,Michael K Gray wrote: "Mark", (the true authors are unknown), could have been written in 350AD, and still match every bit of extant evidence that we have. I don't believe that date, but it is a possibility. That folk aim for around 70AD is nothing more than backward logic, combined with wishful thinking.
Chalk up another victory for the hedges surrounding the mythical Jeebus.
(For the uninitiated: "c. 145" means "circa 145", 'circa' being Latin for "around", "approximately" or "a guess".)
3 shaky unsubstantiated consecutive guesses, multiplying the uncertainty factor to a billion or more.
Fail.
..."precious little". Did you spot that? It does not mean "none".Matt Cavanaugh wrote:If nothing else, the Council of Nicaea (325) is a firm marker for the existence of christianity.There is also precious little evidence of the existence of organised Christianity before 400AD."Chrestians" has never ever appeared in any Greek text, EVER.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:If you accept as authentic Book X of Pliny the Younger's letters (I don't), then a vaguely-described cult of "Chrestians" existed in Asia Minor c. 112.
"Chrestus" does appear in Latin, but is means "useful one" or "slave".
Nothing whatsover to do with "Christ" nor "Christus", aprt from in wishful thinking. (Even though 11thC documents seem to have been fiddled-with early TIPPEX to imply the correspondence.) But as they are 11C, may be dismissed as irrelevant in any case to the issue at hand.
(Mara bar Serapion makes the point plain in Syriac)
For fux-sake Matthew, you could at least bring some very basic scholarship with you if you are going to debate me on this subject.
It is as though you have never read the originals in their Greek or Syriac.I'm glad that you put these "aside" as they have been recognised as forgeries since the late 19th century.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:The obvious interpolations in Josephus, Suetonius and Tacitus aside,
Don't even know why you mentioned these phony furphies, although I can guess.
(That mentioning them might make you seem slightly more erudite to the casual observer)And this 'confident' (note the use of the passive voice) dating comes from what primary evidence?Matt Cavanaugh wrote:...the very earliest one can detect christianity is mid 2nd century.
P457?
Guesswork?
Wishful thinking?
Carbon Dating?
Speed Dating?
Your arse?Indeed. Not a single gospel pericope can be reliably dated to prior to the mid 4th century, when Eusebius rewrote what became the canon, and consigned the rest to flames.Michael K Gray wrote:all of the dates of these mss (125~150AD) are based on pure orthographic guess-work by very biased believers
I just love it when somebody shits down my throat when I'm trying to agree with them!Michael K Gray wrote: For fux-sake Matthew, you could at least bring some very basic scholarship with you if you are going to debate me on this subject.
Tigzy wrote:I've just laughed my ass off at StevoR on Steffy's page:
Yes. You read that right - the StevoR issuing the challenge that we should behave like reasonable people and not internet clowns is the very same StevoR who regularly posts about how all them muslims are, at this very moment, plottingStevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!
April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am (UTC -5)
Stephanie Zvan : You (along with pretty much all of of the B bloggers) have my admiration and respect and my sympathies for being put through this hate campaign for whatever little that may be worth.
Vacula and your fellow slimepitters – you seem to be such utterly contemptible, sad and petty people lost in your own all devouring cesspit of hatred against people who have done you no wrong and who are seeking to do you no wrong.
My advice to you is just drop this whole issue and rethink your lives and attitudes. Please.
Justin Vacula if you do go to the Women In Scepticism conference you have an opportunity.
An opportunity to sit back, listen seriously, learn and gain a new perspective or two and an improved understanding and appreciation of others views and life generally.
Alternatively its an opportunity if you so choose to (again) be a silly schmuck who perhaps annoys a few people who already dislike you, humiliates yourself and perhaps gets thrown out for your own misbehaviour.
So you probably have an opportunity here to surprise us and prove us wrong about you by choosing wisely -the former option over the latter one.
Here’s my challenge to you, refute me, Ophelia, PZ and others by showing you can behave like a reasonable, decent human being who is capable of learning and not just being a internet clown whose unfunny performances turn off and disgust most people who encounter or read about you.to pollute his precious bodily fluidsto sweep across Amurkuh and exterminate everyone, pretty much.
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We have a close friend of a few years, now regrettably separated by an ocean, who is a remarkably driven, successful and (if you don't know her) somewhat intimidating woman.Zenspace wrote:Sacha, just wanted to take a moment to thank you for posting this very remarkable quote, especially notable given its author. I am a fan of Nin, but had never run across this particular item before. It strikes at the center of something I find lacking in much feminist discourse, in all its many forms: the ability to be a strong, complete, independent individual, while remaining in full possession of one's sexuality as a female. Nin embraced her femaleness in full, shirking none of it or its implications. Rather, she made it a central driving force in her life, societies prescribed rules and positions be damned. Remarkable indeed.sacha wrote:you have no idea just how much I need a good schtupping.Mykeru wrote:You need to roll in duct tape, get off some of the pet hair and go out for a good schtupping.sacha wrote: add a few years until they are mid 50's to early 60's and that is visual perfection for sacha.
“I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.â€
-Anaïs Nin