Then it is a possible tu quoque. If we agree collectively that it is morally wrong to dox someone then we should not be engaging in it. If we agree that mentioning Thunderf00t's real name in a PZ blog post was wrong even though TF details are now public information, then we should not be doing the same. As I said a tu quoque, if it is wrong then we should not be doing it ourselves simply because the other side does. If moreover we are going to complain about Thunderf00t's additional outing then we are guilty of hypocrisy ourselves. It therefore has nothing to do with political gain in this case; it is merely the right thing to do.Michael K Gray wrote:Than: Fuck that for a game of soldiers.Dilurk wrote:That is indeed what he is saying.Michael K Gray wrote:...Your concern is solely for 'political', or 'tactical' reasons, if I am not misunderstanding.
Is that correct?
That is playing to THEIR arbitrary puritanical rules.
They have won if we tacitly censor revealing public information in order to seek political gain over these cunts.
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I sit corrected, Monsieur Phil!Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:MKG:
Then*
Merci, and Arigato Goziamashita.
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As I said, privilege being misused as an excuse for bigotry of its own. The worst part is, they don't grok this.rayshul wrote:I really do think that it's the SJW shit that's the problem, not radfemm-i-ness. The victimmy radfemness is just a manifestation of the bigger SJW problem. I mean, I don't think it's man-hating the way I've read about radfems (via Scented Nectar). This is a different thing and their tactics are pure SJW. It's the same "you can't argue" arguments, the same privilege shit, the same way they use someone's race and gender as a way to shut down their views.Notung wrote:Ok, you know how we are called 'MRAs' and 'PUAs' and slymepitters? You know how it's just FTB that's the problem, and only part of FTB at that? I propose that we start referring to the problem as SJWs, just like on tumblr. I must admit, I never liked "Fainting Couch 5". My grandparents would have been FC people (without the hypocrisy), so I don't think fainting couches are the problem. Plus I've argued in favour of civility, so I can't start chastising people for not liking swear-words (even though I'm not offended by them myself). I also don't like 'baboons' - sorry (I'm not asking you to stop using it - to be clear. It's up to you, of course).
I want a term I can join in with. 'SJWs': how about it? It sums them up completely (i.e. not limited to their brand of feminism - it includes the whole 'cis' thing and 'privilege' and all the rest of it). It's also gently mocking - about how they're fighting imaginary demons (tilting at windmills, you might say), and how their idea of 'fighting' involves yelling at people on the internet.
My only real fights online have been with SJWs, who love calling me out. I block them automatically these days.
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True. For me it's about SJWs, their tactics, and their trying to take over the skeptic/atheist movement.rayshul wrote:It's *not* radfeminism. It's all SJW.
I've never really been interested in gender issues particularly (although I believe in equality, of course), so I don't want to just criticise 'radfems'. I don't know enough about it.
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How is such a collective agreement even possible?Dilurk wrote:...If we agree collectively that it is morally wrong to dox someone
I see no evidence of an all encompassing collective agreement.
I count myself out of such a thing, as I consider that there are not so hypothetical situations in which it is incumbent in law to "dox" a third party.
As I exempt myself from such an agreement, your premise is rendered invalid.
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I'll be using SJW in the future. Not only is it more accurate but it stops the fucking FtBers scrambling over each other to protect all these wilting vaginas.Notung wrote:True. For me it's about SJWs, their tactics, and their trying to take over the skeptic/atheist movement.rayshul wrote:It's *not* radfeminism. It's all SJW.
I've never really been interested in gender issues particularly (although I believe in equality, of course), so I don't want to just criticise 'radfems'. I don't know enough about it.
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Are they spraying these dehydrating flowers with some sort of magical fluid?rayshul wrote:Notung wrote:...FtBers scrambling over each other to protect all these wilting vaginas.
The mind boggles as to what it might be.
But obviously they have an inexhaustible supply in their mother's basements, right next to the teen son's computer, on which he "does his homework, and stuff, and needs to concentrate, so that is why the door is locked, mum!"
And then logs on to Skepchick & Pharyngula to complete the task at hand.
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Yeah, in retrospect I'm not sure where that mental picture was going either.
Well it's 1am and there's volcanos getting all crazy n' shit so forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person.
Well it's 1am and there's volcanos getting all crazy n' shit so forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person.
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Etna?rayshul wrote:Yeah, in retrospect I'm not sure where that mental picture was going either.
Well it's 1am and there's volcanos getting all crazy n' shit so forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person.
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Ruapehu, White island and Tongariro, although they've chilled out a little over the past day or so. The little fuckers have been going off.Michael K Gray wrote:Etna?rayshul wrote:Yeah, in retrospect I'm not sure where that mental picture was going either.
Well it's 1am and there's volcanos getting all crazy n' shit so forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person.
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Wolcano?
Of course, you are now a Kiwi!
It must be Tonga-Reno(sp?)
A Volcano that combineth the splendid serenity of a Tongan tribal back-street-battle with the ferocity and majesty of a crappy US casino.
It must be Tonga-Reno(sp?)
A Volcano that combineth the splendid serenity of a Tongan tribal back-street-battle with the ferocity and majesty of a crappy US casino.
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"forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person"
That would make a TRULY MARVELOUS Shurly Aimless©® Ceramic©® SKEPTICAL pendant for WOMEN!
Yay!
Patent it immediately before Ms Roth secretes it in her hidden lair.
That would make a TRULY MARVELOUS Shurly Aimless©® Ceramic©® SKEPTICAL pendant for WOMEN!
Yay!
Patent it immediately before Ms Roth secretes it in her hidden lair.
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I'm glad that I am not afflicted by Spoonerisms.Michael K Gray wrote:...before Ms Roth secretes it in her hidden lair.
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Re: that tumblr link. Someone was complaining about Adventure Time, because of the "binary" genders? WTF?
girl-non-grata
Okay, okay, wait. Okay. Wait.
I’m seeing posts saying that the children’s cartoon show “Adventure Time!†is problematic because all the characters are binary genders.
If you’ve never seen this show, it’s set in a post-apocalyptic world where all the humans are dead except for one lone boy. All the other characters are talking animals, space creatures, monsters, and animated objects.
There are, however, a slew of effeminate, gender nonspecific candy people and a space “princess†with the voice of a man, for crying out loud, but because they don’t go on about their non-binary identities on a children’s show, it’s “problematic.â€
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Queen Bee on Twitter: (https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 9228551168)
:lol:
Obviously, genital kicking IS a subject for humour, as long as it is MALE genital kicking.I'm gonna start advising men on how not to get kicked in the balls. "Don't talk to any women in heels. Don't leave the house w/out a cup."
:lol:
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Serious? It's 15:40 in Etna-space!Michael K Gray wrote:Etna?rayshul wrote:Yeah, in retrospect I'm not sure where that mental picture was going either.
Well it's 1am and there's volcanos getting all crazy n' shit so forgive me if I'm not the most ... writery of stuff that makes sense person.
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Franc's absolved, then! \o/CommanderTuvok wrote:Queen Bee on Twitter: (https://twitter.com/rebeccawatson/statu ... 9228551168)
Obviously, genital kicking IS a subject for humour, as long as it is MALE genital kicking.I'm gonna start advising men on how not to get kicked in the balls. "Don't talk to any women in heels. Don't leave the house w/out a cup."
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Glad to hear it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Serious? It's 15:40 in Etna-space!
Ley me know when they complete the set.
It could come to a tie-breaker if the plucky Czech stops grunting.
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Addendum: New balls, please.Michael K Gray wrote:Glad to hear it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Serious? It's 15:40 in Etna-space!
Ley me know when they complete the set.
It could come to a tie-breaker if the plucky Czech stops grunting.
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Can't. Stop. Laughing!Michael K Gray wrote:Addendum: New balls, please.Michael K Gray wrote:Glad to hear it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Serious? It's 15:40 in Etna-space!
Ley me know when they complete the set.
It could come to a tie-breaker if the plucky Czech stops grunting.
Kuddos and internets to you, kind sir!
How to get Hot sex at an atheist meeting
http://www.skepticblogs.com/humesappren ... t-hot-sex/
Well. I'm not so sure about the "It’s also a wickedly powerful pick-up move that I have used before with great success."part. But the rest of the article seems sane to me.
Well. I'm not so sure about the "It’s also a wickedly powerful pick-up move that I have used before with great success."part. But the rest of the article seems sane to me.
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I'll be here all week, folks.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Can't. Stop. Laughing!
Kuddos and internets to you, kind sir!
No: all year.
No: Until this crappy Casino fires me. And even then I shall be here.
You see, I have this backstage key that Brontopodes "lent" me.
(Don't tell anyone, for Dog's sake.)
This *IS* a private back-channel after all!
We can slag off anyone we like here without the remotest possibility of it becoming public, eh? YAY!
The Premier of China is a POOPY-HEAD!
See wot I did there?
That was a protest against censorship.
Quite why censors need a ship is beyond me, but apparently they do.
Oh, and I wouldn't say this anywhere but here on this secure back-channel, but I have my sneaking suspicions about critics of PZ's boner fidos.
And I believe that Ronald Reagan was a good president, and that man did not land on the moon.
[crickets]
Erm... You've been a wunnerfool audience.
Goonite Oolan Batuur!!
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It seems to me like a very cheap way to garner shallow blog hits with a cynical appeal to prurience.Dilurk wrote:...how-to-get-hot-sex
Well. I'm not so sure about the "It’s also a wickedly powerful pick-up move that I have used before with great success."part. But the rest of the article seems sane to me.
I wonder how that fits with Loftus' Lofty goals of respect, impartiality, and the 'Merkin way?
Heaving help him if the site has so soon succumbed to sheer unadulterated hypocrisy against its very charter..
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Do you sell cheap ceramic jewellery too?Michael K Gray wrote:I'll be here all week, folks.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Can't. Stop. Laughing!
Kuddos and internets to you, kind sir!
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I see. You're entitled. Trouble is, you don't simply ask questions, you nag. And what you have been nagging about the most are the kinds of things other folks here would have the self-respect to try and look up themselves. There are really only two options here -Steersman wrote:In addition, of course I have EVERY right to post continuous demands – whether anybody responds to me or I subsequently get banned are entirely separate questions. Clear?
a) You're retarded, genuinely subnormal and incapable, or
b) You're accomplished in Jesuit style sophistry and you derive amusement out of it
Not likely the former, the latter almost certainly. I am not playing any further games with you - because that is what you are doing, playing games.
We're a generous and generally forgiving bunch. We have allowed you into our loungeroom as a welcomed guest. But you have used up all of your goodwill tokens, and abused them all in the process.
That's better, all of your comments are now collapsed into single line "do you want to open this item?" pieces. Silence is golden.
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http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
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No. I sell grossly overpriced spastic trinkets to suckers and fools.Dilurk wrote:Do you sell cheap ceramic jewellery too?Michael K Gray wrote:I'll be here all week, folks.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Can't. Stop. Laughing!
Kuddos and internets to you, kind sir!
"Cheap" is an insult to those traders who sold their wares in "Cheapside" markets.
But — and this is a BIG but: I am NOT privileged! (So there poopy-head MRA)
Just because I have access to a heated poo, and don't have Arabs as naybores, does that make me privileged?
No fuckin' way, you misogynistic PRICK! Just ask my FEMALE butler!
I seem to have lost my train of thought there. A regular occurrence recently. I blame Richard fucking Branson.
Why? Because my mother was FEMALE, THAT'S WHY!!!
And if you argue the toss, you are automatically WRONG because ypu are comitting the inviolable logical fallacy of "something or other". (See Skeptix Girl Guide to the Universe for a full explanation by Sir Lord Prince Herr Doktor Duke Fucking Saint Novella for details, as he will dismiss you if you even sideways bitch about his love puppet Stain Beccy)
So yes:
I will extort you if you show an interest in my crudely stamped crap-clay droppings of hypocrisy.
What'm I bid for this fined image?
£666?
Yes. You in the front row there. What do you bid for this piece of shite?
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I agree.Michael K Gray wrote:It seems to me like a very cheap way to garner shallow blog hits with a cynical appeal to prurience.Dilurk wrote:...how-to-get-hot-sex
Well. I'm not so sure about the "It’s also a wickedly powerful pick-up move that I have used before with great success."part. But the rest of the article seems sane to me.
I wonder how that fits with Loftus' Lofty goals of respect, impartiality, and the 'Merkin way?
Heaving help him if the site has so soon succumbed to sheer unadulterated hypocrisy against its very charter..
It's an attention seeking post that the writer must know is only going to function as a red rag waved at the FTB bull(-shit brigade)
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Gotcha!Philip wrote:http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
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Archived, before that gets harrassed offline.Philip wrote:http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
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You know how i couldn't access the conversation on criss rad's twitter anymore, it's cause it's not fucking there anymore. Tweets deleted. Cris was shown to be wonky woo so she deletes the fucking evidence, nutz.
And shes gone and got herself a brand new youtube acc, how long before the old one, and all the evidence of her views prior to selling zomgitscris to fftb gets disapeared.
Babon she isnt? Yeah right, bought and sold.
And shes gone and got herself a brand new youtube acc, how long before the old one, and all the evidence of her views prior to selling zomgitscris to fftb gets disapeared.
Babon she isnt? Yeah right, bought and sold.
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So, I was right, and little Steersboy was wrong. Whoda thunk it.Za-zen wrote:You know how i couldn't access the conversation on criss rad's twitter anymore, it's cause it's not fucking there anymore. Tweets deleted. Cris was shown to be wonky woo so she deletes the fucking evidence, nutz.
And shes gone and got herself a brand new youtube acc, how long before the old one, and all the evidence of her views prior to selling zomgitscris to fftb gets disapeared.
Babon she isnt? Yeah right, bought and sold.
:D
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Not so much an accusation as - given your subsequent posts - an erroneous lumping you in with what seems to me to be the general consensus as regards disclosing personal details on forums. If you see no problem with it, then apologies. For my own part, I - and I'm pretty sure some others here - would not be happy having their address posted on the baboon forums. Therefore, it would be hypocritical of me, and others of a similar viewpoint, to be wholly comfortable with having Amy's details (public as they may be) posted here. And as puritanical as it may seem, I do feel my stance against the baboons is a moral one. Why decry them for their tactics, attitudes and whatnot if there was not a strong component of perceived amorality and immorality about them? In which case, it would behove me to at least strive at being better than they are in these respects. Tu quoque's be damned; being a hypocrite is being no better then them, in my view.Michael K Gray wrote:I'm glad to hear that opinion, as it is true.Tigzy wrote:I didn't think you were that big a fan of hypocrisy, MKG.
But I suspect an undertone of veiled accusation in your phrase, as well.
Being an Aspie, I may very well be incorrect.
Please explain.
Hypocrite, I do not wish to be, and if you are able to clearly illuminate such an offense from me, I shall be more than happy to atone.
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Apology accepted in good faith.Tigzy wrote: If you see no problem with it, then apologies.
Next?
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Behoove, man.Tigzy wrote:... it would behove me
Present tense.
"Behove" is past tense.
(What were you saying about pedants?)
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Philippe Giordana, 205 Avenue de la Californie, 06200 Nice, France. 1st Floor, door on the right when you come up the stairs. Mind the cat, she tends to get out when the door is open. The snake is not interested in door-openings.
Well, that's done...
Well, that's done...
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Oooh errr. That is a bit erm, MRA an' sexist an' all that?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:The snake is not interested in door-openings. Well, that's done...
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Fuck, I meant second floor. Here we have differing practices as to floors. We have a rez-de-chaussée, you see...
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Fancy a shag?Michael K Gray wrote:Apology accepted in good faith.Tigzy wrote: If you see no problem with it, then apologies.
Next?
I don't recall saying anything about pedants here. I'm not really bothered about grammatical mistakes in forum posts; as long as it's reasonably comprehensible, then that'll do me.Michael K Gray wrote:Behoove, man.Tigzy wrote:... it would behove me
Present tense.
"Behove" is past tense.
(What were you saying about pedants?)
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Might be. Are you PZ Myers or Ophelia Benson?Michael K Gray wrote:Oooh errr. That is a bit erm, MRA an' sexist an' all that?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:The snake is not interested in door-openings. Well, that's done...
Just asking...
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Tigzy, know your MKG and his sense of humour!I don't recall saying anything about pedants here. I'm not really bothered about grammatical mistakes in forum posts; as long as it's reasonably comprehensible, then that'll do me.
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Wendell Ferguson, Don’t Close the Door on Me:Michael K Gray wrote:Oooh errr. That is a bit erm, MRA an' sexist an' all that?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:The snake is not interested in door-openings. Well, that's done...
Richard my friend, you took me in
Right after she threw me out
You gave me a hand and a soft place to land
And ain’t that what friendship’s about
It was early last May, when you said I could stay
‘til I could get back on my feet
Now it’s December and you’re losin’ your temper
And throwin’ me out on the street
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
Just think of the pain you’ll inflict
The second it slams I’ll be in a jam
Completely cut off when it clicks
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
You say I’m a jerk cause I don’t looked for work
And I don’t do a thing round the house
I eat all your food and I lounge in the nude
Dick you know how I love hangin’ out
Sure I hog the remote and I seldom use soap
And some say I live like a slob
But right now I’m caught in a really tight spot
So Dick take your hand off that knob
And don’t close the door on me Dick
Just think of the pain you’ll inflict
The second it slams I’ll be in a jam
Completely cut off when it clicks
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
I’m down on my knees, I’m beggin’ Dick please
Won’t you help a buddy who’s in a tight squeeze
I'm comin’ unhinged, if you don’t give an inch
And show some compassion for a pal in a pinch
And don’t close the door on me Dick
Just think of the pain you’ll inflict
The second it slams I’ll be in a jam
Completely cut off when it clicks
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
Just think of the pain you’ll inflict
The second it shuts I’ll be totally nuts
And talk about wounds you can’t lick
Oh, don’t close the door on me Dick
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After making this post the board would have refreshed.
So after the 12:06 post that she made with her legit account the troll would likely have popped up and she did not need to hit refresh in order to see it. So then she has one and a half minutes to read the troll post and type out the response which is not impossible and seems more likely than some elaborate plan to create drama. :think:
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Not at the moment, thankyou for asking.Tigzy wrote:Fancy a shag?
I have just wolfed down an undersized Cormorant.
Ah, my mistake, coupled with a sincere apology. I must have confused you with another poster who seems to be possessed by a haunting hatred of pedantic folk.Tigzy wrote:I don't recall saying anything about pedants here. I'm not really bothered about grammatical mistakes in forum posts; as long as it's reasonably comprehensible, then that'll do me.
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The same way any morality is agreed upon by any group. The gestalt as Dawkins says. Morality is not set in stone, it is a (mostly) unwritten agreement in groups.Michael K Gray wrote:How is such a collective agreement even possible?Dilurk wrote:...If we agree collectively that it is morally wrong to dox someone
I never said there was. I did say "If". So we agree.I see no evidence of an all encompassing collective agreement.
As I made no such premise in the first place, this is merely informational.I count myself out of such a thing, as I consider that there are not so hypothetical situations in which it is incumbent in law to "dox" a third party.
As I exempt myself from such an agreement, your premise is rendered invalid.
I will however note:
That the 'we' here of course refers again to our collective position on morality as a group if we have one. I agree with you that we may not agree on this point so there is no collective gestalt on the morality of dropping public docs that are already public here. To further clarify. I can only speak for myself, that I would not have done it, but of course you are quite free to do so.If moreover we are going to complain about Thunderf00t's additional outing then we are guilty of hypocrisy ourselves. It therefore has nothing to do with political gain in this case; it is merely the right thing to do.
I will also note in support of your position Guy Adams is censored by twitter for precisely dropping the phone number of an official which is already public knowledge.
http://theweek.com/article/index/231323 ... he-fallout
I hope that has clarified my position.
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Wrong reading on my part then. I though you (MKG) were pointing at your own apparent pedantry. Oh, well.
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It did so quite admirably, and I thank thee.Dilurk wrote:I hope that has clarified my position.
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Nothing to hate when it comes to pedants. Way I see it, It's their own time they're wasting.Michael K Gray wrote:Not at the moment, thankyou for asking.Tigzy wrote:Fancy a shag?
I have just wolfed down an undersized Cormorant.Ah, my mistake, coupled with a sincere apology. I must have confused you with another poster who seems to be possessed by a haunting hatred of pedantic folk.Tigzy wrote:I don't recall saying anything about pedants here. I'm not really bothered about grammatical mistakes in forum posts; as long as it's reasonably comprehensible, then that'll do me.
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I was doing that very thing.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Wrong reading on my part then. I though you (MKG) were pointing at your own apparent pedantry. Oh, well.
You were/are not mistaken.
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Oh, I am a pedant.Tigzy wrote:Nothing to hate when it comes to pedants. Way I see it, It's their own time they're wasting.
An annoying pedant. (Is there any other kind?)
A bloody annoying pedant.
But one who hopes to be didactic in the course of one's pedantry.
And, yes: I may be wasting my time with the majority, but it is those who gain the vital spark of elucidation for whom I strive.
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No surprise there. Is he planning to counter ?Philip wrote:http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
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Looking at the arguments in Lousy Canucks thread it really does seem that they are against the idea of 'fair use'.Philip wrote:http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
I remember the time this issue came up when the movie "Expelled" (back in the good old days when this was something that happened to PZ rather than what he does to anyone who disagrees with him) used John Lennon's Imagine. Yoko Ono objected but lost her case on the basis of fair use. At the time there was some disagreement amongst the atheist community about this. Yes, it was horrible that Imagine was used by that lousy film but perhaps in the end it's better to uphold the principles of fair use.
Well, the FTBers disavow this notion. According to them anything that is produced using something (like a photo) from a copyright holder requires the copyright holders permission before it can be used by another party. Does anyone seriously think the FTBers will follow this rule? If they see something written that infuriates them (as if!) they will ask for permission before they quote it?
If they see a picture, say a joke or a captioned photo, they will only describe it in words and will not post the picture on their site without asking permission?
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I reckon file a counter-claim, then if she takes it further just quickly take it down. Will that work? (I'm no expert on law).
I've been arguing (politely) with Jim Lippard on Twitter about this. I'm claiming that she should have asked Justin first, and if that happened then he would have been morally obliged to comply. Given that she's trying to force him to before even asking him, if he wins then he's no longer morally obliged to take it down.
I've been arguing (politely) with Jim Lippard on Twitter about this. I'm claiming that she should have asked Justin first, and if that happened then he would have been morally obliged to comply. Given that she's trying to force him to before even asking him, if he wins then he's no longer morally obliged to take it down.
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Then PZ might be in deep shit with his Dungeon. I am ,under contractual closes, obliged to leave the way my name and image are used be controlled by my label for commercial exploitation. Does PZ make money out of his blog? I do think so.Dick Strawkins wrote:Looking at the arguments in Lousy Canucks thread it really does seem that they are against the idea of 'fair use'.Philip wrote:http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/categ ... fancy-her/
Seems Elevatorgate has found some solid evidence of Surly's involvement in the DMCAing
I remember the time this issue came up when the movie "Expelled" (back in the good old days when this was something that happened to PZ rather than what he does to anyone who disagrees with him) used John Lennon's Imagine. Yoko Ono objected but lost her case on the basis of fair use. At the time there was some disagreement amongst the atheist community about this. Yes, it was horrible that Imagine was used by that lousy film but perhaps in the end it's better to uphold the principles of fair use.
Well, the FTBers disavow this notion. According to them anything that is produced using something (like a photo) from a copyright holder requires the copyright holders permission before it can be used by another party. Does anyone seriously think the FTBers will follow this rule? If they see something written that infuriates them (as if!) they will ask for permission before they quote it?
If they see a picture, say a joke or a captioned photo, they will only describe it in words and will not post the picture on their site without asking permission?
*Ponders*
Nah, not worth it right now.
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Perhaps. Perhaps a copy-n-paste party. Unless TF coughs up logs, chances of knowing truth is nil. Writing a coherent 50 word reply in 60 seconds is not an easy task even for non-baboons. And the bit about advertising to the world she finally has a job...ccdimage wrote:So after the 12:06 post that she made with her legit account the troll would likely have popped up and she did not need to hit refresh in order to see it. So then she has one and a half minutes to read the troll post and type out the response which is not impossible and seems more likely than some elaborate plan to create drama. :think:
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Notung wrote:I reckon file a counter-claim, then if she takes it further just quickly take it down. Will that work? (I'm no expert on law).
I've been arguing (politely) with Jim Lippard on Twitter about this. I'm claiming that she should have asked Justin first, and if that happened then he would have been morally obliged to comply. Given that she's trying to force him to before even asking him, if he wins then he's no longer morally obliged to take it down.
She filed the DMCA through Blogger and they removed his whole post at first. Once he removed the image, he was able to re-post the blog.
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Yep, I know that. I mean that he would be (I think) justified in restoring the image on the post if he wins the case.Skeeve wrote:She filed the DMCA through Blogger and they removed his whole post at first. Once he removed the image, he was able to re-post the blog.
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Correct. Sorry if I misread what you were saying...I'm popping in and out between customers.Notung wrote:Yep, I know that. I mean that he would be (I think) justified in restoring the image on the post if he wins the case.Skeeve wrote:She filed the DMCA through Blogger and they removed his whole post at first. Once he removed the image, he was able to re-post the blog.
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Tapatalk let's me use Location Services if I choose. So, I should be mapped in real time below.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Philippe Giordana, 205 Avenue de la Californie, 06200 Nice, France. 1st Floor, door on the right when you come up the stairs. Mind the cat, she tends to get out when the door is open. The snake is not interested in door-openings.
Well, that's done...
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I guess Lsuoma doesn't have the extras turned on :(