Ok! That's it! I'm going for a John Williams rampage!Abbe Smith's blog, ERV: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Well played Lsuoma! Hope you're proud of yourself.
Ok! That's it! I'm going for a John Williams rampage!Abbe Smith's blog, ERV: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
lolwut...the FtB & Skepchicks crew are the bedrock of the movement, the conventions and conferences. If FtB and Skepchicks got dumped, the only person they really have is Abbe(sic).
Well, I do sometimes question any blog that allows me to post. [/sarcasm]Lsuoma wrote:Abbe Smith's blog, ERV: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.Skeeve wrote:http://atheiststoday.com/images/hypatiasdaughter.jpg
Laden's appear to have gone as well. Makes it all the more clearer why they left Tf00t's threads there - not to show what an 'ass' he is, but because there was some sweet milkin' in them thar blog hits.Guest wrote:I think it's pretty clear that "Ed" wasn't going to pay him from the time his accounts were hidden. When Loftus left, his threads disappeared. Thunderf00t's remained and they actively discussed not paying him for them even though they knew he was getting hits.
Ed Brayton Says:
July 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
Freethought Blogs averages more than 200,000 pageviews per day and about 27% of our readers use ad blockers. We have 5 ads on the page, but an advertiser isn’t going to take out all 5 ads, they’re going to take out one ad — thus the 150,000 impressions per day figure.
As for you getting paid, did you expect that this would happen on a daily basis? I don’t get paid by the ad networks for 30-60 days after the end of each month, so I pay revenue out to the bloggers on that schedule. June’s revenue sharing will be paid out at the end of August and you will be paid then for your share of the totals. You really should correct the clearly false implications that we have not paid you as promised; you will be paid when everyone else gets paid.
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... -pc-lyers/Thunderf00t Says:
July 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm | Reply
my god Ed… it’s only been posted 30 mins or so ago, and you’ve already found it and commented on it. Don’t any of you guys have day jobs?
But sure I didn’t expect you to pay me. Someone acting in good faith doesn’t go back on their word as soon as its not convenient. Why should I expect him to keep his word about paying me? Further no mention was made of the obvious loose end in any of the correspondence.
But really Ed, you can breathe easy, I’ve got no real interest in the money. It just says something about the integrity of the people you are dealing with. Give the money to charity.
Was hoping someone would notice that.tachikoma wrote:lolwut...the FtB & Skepchicks crew are the bedrock of the movement, the conventions and conferences. If FtB and Skepchicks got dumped, the only person they really have is Abbe(sic).
Skeeve wrote:http://atheiststoday.com/images/hypatiasdaughter.jpg
just wanted to highlight this again."...the FtB & Skepchicks crew are the bedrock of the movement, the conventions and conferences. If FtB and Skepchicks got dumped, the only person they really have is Abbe..."
He said he'd pay him through June: http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... mment-4052Guest wrote:I remember Ed coming into one of thunderf00ts comment threads (on his wordpress blog) and them having a back and forth about the revenues from ftb. Ed already said he pays out one month after for some reason. I can't remember whether he said that would include July or not.
I'd look it up but i've got revision to do.
It's a nice comment, but it seems to put the focus on the unpreparedness of the a/s community to assimilation by online feminist culture, as if if either community was more prepared there would be less problems. No, I think the whole problem is the toxicity of feminist culture, some of it unique to the blogosphere, some of it embedded in feminist theory itself (such as the concepts of Patriarchy, false consciousness, male privilege, etc.).Dilurk wrote:From the http://synapses.co.za/unstoppable-tide-trolls/ that was posted, is this comment.Iamcuriousblue August 12, 2012 at 6:10 am | Permalink | Reply
The problem with FTB, or a significant portion of it, is that it basically took the culture of the “feminist blogosphere†(Jezebel, Pandagon, I Blame the Patriarchy, etc.) and grafted it on to the atheist community with disastrous results. So not only have they imported in many of the problems that that particular subculture hasn’t really dealt with (notably a “callout†culture rife with bullying, self-righteousness, exaggerated claims of victimization, dogmatism, etc.), but also imported in a whole kind of hyper-sensitive discourse around gender into another subculture (the atheist/secular one) that hasn’t really dealt with these issues, nor had any introduction one way or the other to the approaches internet feminists take to those issues.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7 ... T_PEAR.jpgLsuoma wrote:<img src="http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7 ... T_PEAR.jpg" />
Nah, I was actually trying to see if I could use the word replacement function to embed an image: so far I have not got it to work.Skeeve wrote:http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7 ... T_PEAR.jpgLsuoma wrote:<img src="http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7 ... T_PEAR.jpg" />
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Oh, Kryten why hast thou forsaken me?Skeeve wrote:I have never seen this piece of the puzzle before today:
From 2010
[youtube]ohnZ6gAWMz4[/youtube]
What happened to her? Did this type of exposure push her too far too fast?
I could not watch more than a few minutes of the start. It's revolting.bhoytony wrote:Oh, Kryten why hast thou forsaken me?Skeeve wrote:I have never seen this piece of the puzzle before today:
From 2010
[youtube]ohnZ6gAWMz4[/youtube]
What happened to her? Did this type of exposure push her too far too fast?
Hey, Sacha,sacha wrote:That's when I stopped casually reading PZ's blog. I was never a commenter, and did not even read the comments then, but I would occasionally read a post.Guest wrote:Thanks for the repost James.
I remember reading that piece by Myers at the time and noticing Myers misrepresentation of Hitchens views. I wrote Myers off as a pseudo skeptic with a political barrow to push, and didn't really pay any more attention to him until the whole elevator gate thing took off. Really he has always been a completely dishonest demagogue, it's only lately that this has started to be noticed by the wider skeptic 'community'.
You explained it extremely well. I am constantly amazed at the "liberal" and "conservative" dogma in the US and just how many suddenly had vitriol towards Hitch because of this. Even now if Hitchens is brought up in conversation, I still hear people say he lost his mental capacity when he "supported war and genocide". Hitch!
GRRRR
Having now got a glimpse of what goes on in the FtB backchannel, which all their bloggers apparently have access to, I don't see how any of them can fain ignorance about the sort of environment they are in. And before any one of there fans says something about how vile and vulgar the slyme pit is, let's remember that all things said on here are out in the open, with no backroom talk or whispers involved (unless there is a ultrasecret, confidential backchannel all of you are hiding from me). As to the possible accusation of why I'm ready to accept the worst about FtB's administrative shenanigans, let me ask this, why are Ed, PZ, et al only responding to the supposed "web ethics" of what Thunder did? Why haven't Ed, or PZ, or anyone else, produced information that contradicts the claims made by Tf00t's "hacked" email revelations? They keep saying that he is being selective with the information he is presenting, but then why don't they just reveal the part of the information that validates their position? When this happens, I'll gladly reconsider my position. Until that happens, I'll go by past experience and take anything they say with a grain of salt.Za-zen wrote:maybe if she isn't a total idiot she'll recognise the circus she thought was her ticket, can ony ever damage her, and she'll pull the escape cord and salvage as much credibiity as she can. Writing her fftb venture off as a mind fart.
I didn't watch much more myself. it's a pity to see Robert Llewellyn giving the attention whore some attention.Dilurk wrote:I could not watch more than a few minutes of the start. It's revolting.bhoytony wrote:
Oh, Kryten why hast thou forsaken me?
oh, not to worry. I misunderstood.Guest wrote:Hey, Sacha,sacha wrote:That's when I stopped casually reading PZ's blog. I was never a commenter, and did not even read the comments then, but I would occasionally read a post.Guest wrote:Thanks for the repost James.
I remember reading that piece by Myers at the time and noticing Myers misrepresentation of Hitchens views. I wrote Myers off as a pseudo skeptic with a political barrow to push, and didn't really pay any more attention to him until the whole elevator gate thing took off. Really he has always been a completely dishonest demagogue, it's only lately that this has started to be noticed by the wider skeptic 'community'.
You explained it extremely well. I am constantly amazed at the "liberal" and "conservative" dogma in the US and just how many suddenly had vitriol towards Hitch because of this. Even now if Hitchens is brought up in conversation, I still hear people say he lost his mental capacity when he "supported war and genocide". Hitch!
GRRRR
Didn't mean to suggest it was me who wrote the original post, sorry - I can see that's how it might have looked. I was just saying thanks to James for posting that info here (yeah, I'm a noob).
Oh I got the Kryten reference alright, it's just I couldn't bring myself to watch it. The comments from Robert on his youtube channel about this video aren't very helpful either.bhoytony wrote:I didn't watch much more myself. it's a pity to see Robert Llewellyn giving the attention whore some attention.Dilurk wrote:I could not watch more than a few minutes of the start. It's revolting.bhoytony wrote:
Oh, Kryten why hast thou forsaken me?
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You will get paid at the same time everyone else is paid for revenue earned in June (and I will be happy to donate that money to charity if you would prefer, as I do for several of our other bloggers).
and then this“I haven’t even given any thought to the point at which I would stop paying him. The blog was killed on July 1. I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial. Or at this point I could just tell him to go fuck himself.
Which means he wasn't thinking about it, but after being asked about it was considered not to donate TF's hit money to charity anymore and instead divy it up to FTB. Profits FTW!!!ooloon, you are right, I had already said for Ed to give the money to charity. (I think u missed this comment)
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... mment-4049
However evidently he had forgotten this as Eds above msg was sent some weeks afterwards. Its clear that he was sitting on my ‘not unsubstantial earnings’ wondering what to do with it. Well hopefully having this donated to the MSF charity drive by DPRJones will put a somewhat upbeat end to this.
Yes I got the impression in his comments that he didn't know anything about it beforehand and had just relied on the first shallow version of events that was presented to him.Dilurk wrote: Oh I got the Kryten reference alright, it's just I couldn't bring myself to watch it. The comments from Robert on his youtube channel about this video aren't very helpful either.
Maybe it was a restocking fee.Spengler wrote:This
Ed BraytonYou will get paid at the same time everyone else is paid for revenue earned in June (and I will be happy to donate that money to charity if you would prefer, as I do for several of our other bloggers).
Then thisand then this“I haven’t even given any thought to the point at which I would stop paying him. The blog was killed on July 1. I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial. Or at this point I could just tell him to go fuck himself.
ThunderFootWhich means he wasn't thinking about it, but after being asked about it was considered not to donate TF's hit money to charity anymore and instead divy it up to FTB. Profits FTW!!!ooloon, you are right, I had already said for Ed to give the money to charity. (I think u missed this comment)
http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... mment-4049
However evidently he had forgotten this as Eds above msg was sent some weeks afterwards. Its clear that he was sitting on my ‘not unsubstantial earnings’ wondering what to do with it. Well hopefully having this donated to the MSF charity drive by DPRJones will put a somewhat upbeat end to this.
These people are horrible.
To be fair - not ALL of them actually *are*. There are a number of the bloggers there who have not mentioned any of these goings on at all, who have kept completely out of it. As I mentioned on Twitter the other night, there are a couple of the writers there that I do have respect for and it is a shame that they will be collateral damage.Spengler wrote:These people are horrible.
They may have "kept completely out of it", but presumably they are on the backchannel mailing list. That means they know what has been discussed about keeping the money owed to TF and sharing it out amongst themselves. "Keeping completely out of it" in those circumstances isn't something I have respect for and I think it is perfectly valid to describe them as "horrible".SteveW68 wrote:To be fair - not ALL of them actually *are*. There are a number of the bloggers there who have not mentioned any of these goings on at all, who have kept completely out of it. As I mentioned on Twitter the other night, there are a couple of the writers there that I do have respect for and it is a shame that they will be collateral damage.Spengler wrote:These people are horrible.
Or maybe they just don't care to read it...Za-zen wrote:Question is steve, if they saw they toxic cray of the back chatter, the setups, collective etc, and decided to not out it, then they are whores, selling their integrity for the $$ of the ad revenue. So no i have no repsect for them.
You really do have too nice a nature for this. I wish I had your faith in humanity.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Or maybe they just don't care to read it...Za-zen wrote:Question is steve, if they saw they toxic cray of the back chatter, the setups, collective etc, and decided to not out it, then they are whores, selling their integrity for the $$ of the ad revenue. So no i have no repsect for them.
My impression as well. It probably just looks like a blog flame war to him.bhoytony wrote:Yes I got the impression in his comments that he didn't know anything about it beforehand and had just relied on the first shallow version of events that was presented to him.Dilurk wrote: Oh I got the Kryten reference alright, it's just I couldn't bring myself to watch it. The comments from Robert on his youtube channel about this video aren't very helpful either.
Could they be keeping quiet in fear that the FtBers will destroy their reputation and jobs if they speak out?bhoytony wrote:They may have "kept completely out of it", but presumably they are on the backchannel mailing list. That means they know what has been discussed about keeping the money owed to TF and sharing it out amongst themselves. "Keeping completely out of it" in those circumstances isn't something I have respect for and I think it is perfectly valid to describe them as "horrible".SteveW68 wrote: To be fair - not ALL of them actually *are*. There are a number of the bloggers there who have not mentioned any of these goings on at all, who have kept completely out of it. As I mentioned on Twitter the other night, there are a couple of the writers there that I do have respect for and it is a shame that they will be collateral damage.
No, I tuned out after she told Llewellyn she had been introduced into scepticism from magic then JREF. She conveniently did not mention she had also been banned from JREF after she had been banned for using a sock puppet then when she accidentally was reinstated used her new found admin powers to ban her enemies (as a joke) on JREF. That's when I couldn't watch any more.tachikoma wrote:My impression as well. It probably just looks like a blog flame war to him.bhoytony wrote:Yes I got the impression in his comments that he didn't know anything about it beforehand and had just relied on the first shallow version of events that was presented to him.Dilurk wrote: Oh I got the Kryten reference alright, it's just I couldn't bring myself to watch it. The comments from Robert on his youtube channel about this video aren't very helpful either.
I watched the first 7 minutes of the video. I found it pretty inoffensive, Watson is basically describing skeptic culture and how she got involved. I don't know about "wonderful" and "clever", she comes across as a science/skeptic groupie/fan. Nothing bad about that, though you could make the case that she shouldn't have the attention that she got. Too boring to get me to watch the remaining 20 minutes, but I rarely have the attention span for long talking head videos.
I don't know why Llewellyn should be blamed for interviewing her back in 2010 before elevatorgate?
If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table.Saint N. wrote: As to the possible accusation of why I'm ready to accept the worst about FtB's administrative shenanigans, let me ask this, why are Ed, PZ, et al only responding to the supposed "web ethics" of what Thunder did? Why haven't Ed, or PZ, or anyone else, produced information that contradicts the claims made by Tf00t's "hacked" email revelations? They keep saying that he is being selective with the information he is presenting, but then why don't they just reveal the part of the information that validates their position?
Well, thing is, I still think most (some) of the FTB gang have some sort of "noble" goal in mind. The way they go about it is quite, let's say, disgusting, but it doesn't make them horrible human beings. And it is a valid hypothesis that some of them may not care at all about the backchannel. Or maybe they're all just huge assholes (this, I doubt).bhoytony wrote:You really do have too nice a nature for this. I wish I had your faith in humanity.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Or maybe they just don't care to read it...Za-zen wrote:Question is steve, if they saw they toxic cray of the back chatter, the setups, collective etc, and decided to not out it, then they are whores, selling their integrity for the $$ of the ad revenue. So no i have no repsect for them.
I wasn't blaming him, just making a joke. I still don't see why anybody would interview her now. then or anytime. Why on earth she was given a place on the SGU is beyond me. All she seems to do on the show is make desperately unfunny jokes, completely miss all the nerdy references that are supposedly aimed at the oh-my god I'm-such-a-nerd persona that she fakes and read out some shite that she googled in two minutes using the words science and scepticism. I can do my own internet searches thank you very much.tachikoma wrote:My impression as well. It probably just looks like a blog flame war to him.bhoytony wrote:Yes I got the impression in his comments that he didn't know anything about it beforehand and had just relied on the first shallow version of events that was presented to him.Dilurk wrote: Oh I got the Kryten reference alright, it's just I couldn't bring myself to watch it. The comments from Robert on his youtube channel about this video aren't very helpful either.
I watched the first 7 minutes of the video. I found it pretty inoffensive, Watson is basically describing skeptic culture and how she got involved. I don't know about "wonderful" and "clever", she comes across as a science/skeptic groupie/fan. Nothing bad about that, though you could make the case that she shouldn't have the attention that she got. Too boring to get me to watch the remaining 20 minutes, but I rarely have the attention span for long talking head videos.
I don't know why Llewellyn should be blamed for interviewing her back in 2010 before elevatorgate?
A pretty good article about the black and white thinking that colors the politics in the US and how that spilled over into the skepticism movement. However, I take exception to this paragraph. What, exactly, does this third group want to have happen? It's "utterly ridiculous and irrational" to request evidence to back up claims?James Onen wrote:http://musinlon.wordpress.com/2012/08/1 ... community/One group which claims women are getting harassed sexually at Sceptic Conferences and are the victims of online hate mail. Another group claims that this isn’t really an issue, are requesting evidence to back up the first groups claims, and that the first group are making unrealistic demands on policy changes. While the last group simply think the first two groups are been utterly ridiculous and irrational.
It's probably, like other people said before, the OMGITSAGIRL reaction from the guys in skepticism.bhoytony wrote:I still don't see why anybody would interview her now. then or anytime. Why on earth she was given a place on the SGU is beyond me. All she seems to do on the show is make desperately unfunny jokes, completely miss all the nerdy references that are supposedly aimed at the oh-my god I'm-such-a-nerd persona that she fakes and read out some shite that she googled in two minutes using the words science and scepticism. I can do my own internet searches thank you very much.
Off-topic, but looking at your avatar by coincidence I am just about to rewatch Ghost In The Shell for the first time in years
I so dislike this movie, it's almost hate.tachikoma wrote:It's probably, like other people said before, the OMGITSAGIRL reaction from the guys in skepticism.bhoytony wrote:I still don't see why anybody would interview her now. then or anytime. Why on earth she was given a place on the SGU is beyond me. All she seems to do on the show is make desperately unfunny jokes, completely miss all the nerdy references that are supposedly aimed at the oh-my god I'm-such-a-nerd persona that she fakes and read out some shite that she googled in two minutes using the words science and scepticism. I can do my own internet searches thank you very much.
Off-topic, but looking at your avatar by coincidence I am just about to rewatch Ghost In The Shell for the first time in years
GitS is worth rewatching. You mean the first movie or the TV series? Probably the series since that has the Tachikoma, but you said "in years" and the series just came out recently...OH SHIT GitS:SAC CAME OUT 10 YEARS AGO WHERE DID THE TIME GO
Ditto. She's just another boring, self-involved slacker with a whiny, jaded voice.I could not watch more than a few minutes of the start. It's revolting.
I'm going to rewatch both movies. I know the tachikoma were in the TV series, not the movie but it just made me think of the coincidence.tachikoma wrote:
GitS is worth rewatching. You mean the first movie or the TV series? Probably the series since that has the Tachikoma, but you said "in years" and the series just came out recently...OH SHIT GitS:SAC CAME OUT 10 YEARS AGO WHERE DID THE TIME GO
Exactly.mikelf wrote:If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table.Saint N. wrote: As to the possible accusation of why I'm ready to accept the worst about FtB's administrative shenanigans, let me ask this, why are Ed, PZ, et al only responding to the supposed "web ethics" of what Thunder did? Why haven't Ed, or PZ, or anyone else, produced information that contradicts the claims made by Tf00t's "hacked" email revelations? They keep saying that he is being selective with the information he is presenting, but then why don't they just reveal the part of the information that validates their position?
Hey, come on. No GitS, then no Matrix. Actually if that means no Matrix Reloaded or Matrix Revolutions then I'd be OK with it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
I so dislike this movie, it's almost hate.
Do watch GitS in Japanese with subtitles if you must. The English dubbed version was bowdlerized as is typically done. You'll laugh more. I remember the Tachikoma from one of the Manga. I need to reread that Manga and rewatch the video.bhoytony wrote:Hey, come on. No GitS, then no Matrix. Actually if that means no Matrix Reloaded or Matrix Revolutions then I'd be OK with it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
I so dislike this movie, it's almost hate.
One of my pet hates is dubbing films into English. Can't people read? Yes the versions of these that I have are subtitled. I also have the TV series with some of the worst subtitles I've ever seen, I think I probably made more sense of the Japanese soundtrack.Dilurk wrote:[
Do watch GitS in Japanese with subtitles if you must. The English dubbed version was bowdlerized as is typically done. You'll laugh more. I remember the Tachikoma from one of the Manga. I need to reread that Manga and rewatch the video.
Could be couldn't it? http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/TachikomaGuest wrote:Tachikoma,
I thought your avatar was one robot doing another robot from behind. Is this not so?
Have to admit, I thought it might be one for Viz's 'Up The Arse' corner.Dilurk wrote:Could be couldn't it? http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/TachikomaGuest wrote:Tachikoma,
I thought your avatar was one robot doing another robot from behind. Is this not so?
Me too. :DTigzy wrote:Have to admit, I thought it might be one for Viz's 'Up The Arse' corner.Dilurk wrote:Could be couldn't it? http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/TachikomaGuest wrote:Tachikoma,
I thought your avatar was one robot doing another robot from behind. Is this not so?
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/ ... 40x423.jpgGit wrote:Me too. :DTigzy wrote:Have to admit, I thought it might be one for Viz's 'Up The Arse' corner.Dilurk wrote:Could be couldn't it? http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/TachikomaGuest wrote:Tachikoma,
I thought your avatar was one robot doing another robot from behind. Is this not so?
I'm honestly shocked! :oSkeeve wrote:This just in:
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I'm calling BS. It doesn't appear to be a "supporter", but an anonymous poster. Either a random troll or a FtB troll.