katamari Damassi wrote:Submariner wrote:DeepInsideYourMind wrote:John Greg wrote:Some dirtbag ditchpig from Toiletbowl's blog (
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ent-101166) is claiming that the statement that Rebecca Watson got, which said “you deserve to be raped, tortured and killed.†came from the Pit.
And Wowbagger is claiming that anyone here who speaks out against such hateful speech will be banned and treated to the same kind of stuff.
Of course, there are no links or citations.
Christ, these people just make it up as they go along, don't they.
Well, ya, we all knew that.
He is in a circular argument ... his link to his comment, links to another of his comments, which is actually a link to Rebecca Watson's Slate article ... in which she claims to have received many comments like that but again never cites a source.
A beautiful example of hearsay evidence at work ...
I've noticed that a lot of the links in FC(n) blogs point to other FC(n) blogs or previous blogs by the same FC(n) blogger. It means to find an exterior source for something you have to wade through dozens of "hits" to the FTB pages. Pretty clever, eh??
Circular referencing. A hallmark of the pseudosciences.
Really only circular referencing if any given starting point leads you back to the same point. Hardly seems to qualify in this case which looks more like a comedy of errors – which is being exceedingly charitable.
For starters, John Greg more or less derails the conversation off into the weeds with this claim – apart from his gratuitous insult, “Toiletbowlâ€, which can’t be helping:
John Greg wrote:Some dirtbag ditchpig from Toiletbowl's blog is
claiming that the statement that Rebecca Watson got, which said “you deserve to be raped, tortured and killed.†came from the Pit.
Which is not at all the case since the “ditchpig†in question – real classy there, John – actually said the following:
LykeX wrote:3) The Slymepit crowd has said much worse things in a much more directly threatening way. I’m reminded of that one comment Rebecca got, which said “you deserve to be raped, tortured and killed.â€
While one might reasonably question LikeX’s command of the English language, I certainly don’t see that as a direct statement, any direct assertion, any direct
claim, that any “Slymepitter†actually said that to Watson. The most one can conclude is that that is a suggested inference – which is something quite a bit different from a
claim – or that it is a non sequitur.
As for DeepInsideYourMind’s rather questionable
claim that Watson “claims to have received many comments like that but again never cites a sourceâ€, I guess he can’t have read the
Slate article very closely since the link in the following actually “cites a relevant sourceâ€:
Watson wrote:Dawkins’ seal of approval only encouraged the haters. My YouTube page and many of my videos
were flooded with rape “jokes,†threats, objectifying insults, and slurs.
And for those too pressed for time, too lazy, sloppy of thinking, dogmatic of mind, or just plain bigoted, to do the requisite reading and searching, here’s the relevant quote from Watson’s “Page of Hateâ€:
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Now while I will concede that far too many on the “other†side insist on labelling any egregious comment as coming from the SlymePit, one can’t help but think that many actual comments of that nature from here could lead the weaker-of-mind – of which there seems to be a rather large number – to that conclusion. And while I didn’t see any credible threats in that “Page of Hateâ€, that page does note that such “have been reported to authorities†so that seems quite plausible given the vituperative and venomous nature of the comments there. However, in any case, those comments seem to provide some credible evidence of some egregious harassment if not outright sexism or misogyny which might reasonably be construed to be a problem in itself. The solution to which isn’t likely to be found if people – such as Lsuoma – insist on dismissing those complaints as coming just from a bunch of “stupid, whiny, witless Baron Munchausensâ€. Nor does it help much to read comments from the “other†side in the least charitable or most careless fashion.