An interesting conversation took place at PZ's latest thunderdome today (Frozen page can be found here
Taking advantage of thunderdome's unmoderated status, a brave soul who goes by the name of ltlftc asks
ltlftc wrote:Can someone justify their hatred of MRAs for me?
The answers he/she gets are not as vitriolic and porcupine-related as I would have expected.
Caine wrote:Short answer? Misogyny is ugly and it’s been going on for far too long. Book suggestion: Misogyny: The World’s Oldest Prejudice, by Jack Holland.
Here’s a helpful suggestion, please take it seriously. Go off for a bit and read many, many posts at Manboobz. Then come back for discussion here. Now, if you’re “Lee Coye”, just fuck off already. Thanks.
After that, someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's
rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me
(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?)
Then Nepenthe shows us how much they understand the burden of proof
Are you suggesting that Men’s Rights is just a guise for male supremacy? If so, can you cite any particular reason why?
I have a better and more fun (for us) idea. Why don’t you find us an MRA who is not a male supremacist and then bring his or her name back here for us, mmm?
Go on, go get it. *balls fist, waves it in front of ltlftc, makes throwing motion*
IMO, ltlftc keeps asking polite, rational and skeptical questions, asking for evidence and specific situations and they keep giving him assertions and vague answers like "go read AVFM", "go read manboobz" and they also use the now-debunked claim about the SLPC.
Eventually ltlftc is accused of JAQing off and dismissed as a troll, and he/she apparently leaves of their own volition.
It was an interesting example of how a conversation goes when they have to deal with someone they cannot ban and who won't let them use their usual tactics.
Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.
Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.