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Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

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Postby TheMan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:43 pm  •  [Post 456]

ladysetar wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:
You retarded cunt!



Ooooooooo I like that, say it again, please


I hope you will repress the desire to show us your pink bits
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Postby fascination » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:45 pm  •  [Post 457]

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Apples wrote:I like von Trier, but haven't liked any of his later stuff as much as his original miniseries "The Kingdom" -- subsequently borked by Stephen King in an English-language remake.
What a coincidence, I was thinking of posting a picture of "little brother" just a few hours ago, when I read the people were talking about A+ as Jen's monstrous baby etc. Decided against it though, since it being a danish/swedish TV series, almost no one would get the reference.

I haven't seen that series. I'll definitely check it out. Thank you both for mentioning it.
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Postby nippletwister » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:47 pm  •  [Post 458]

fascination wrote:
nippletwister wrote:
Thank you, every bit helps. I hadn't seen Shermer's input, and the Sagan book refernced the FBI guy...at least there's some leads. I'm no research wizard, and I've tried to look a bit, but it seems there isn't much solid stuff on the subject, especially satanic ritual abuse, ritual sexual abuse, and false memory stuff, and it is NOT a subject that will get you very far on any feminist oriented sites, I think because of the connection with female psychosis and false rape/false abuse accusations.

I would probably distance myself from the subjects as well for political expediency, but the effect it has had on my life was bad enough, and I was never really even closely involved.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

I wasn't aware that Sagan mentioned John Douglas in his book. I haven't read Douglas in a long time but I don't think he delved too deeply into the subject matter. He did say that the satanic panic crap was bullshit and that the FBI found no evidence of it or any of the allegations.
I did a few Amazon searches using the phrases "Satanic Ritual Abuse", "False Memory Syndrome", and "Satanic Panic". There were quite a few books that came back in the search that you would probably be interested in. I found a few interesting myself.


I'm pretty sure it was the same guy, he referenced an FBI researcher finding no evidence. He didn't do any theorizing or further investigation, just enough to debunk the myths. I'll have to double check later. (funny shit, in preview I caught a typo, I spelled "incestigation")

My own ignorance and I suppose a bit of laziness has been in my way on this issue....I don't generally have much in the way of funds for book shopping, and tend to rely on free online materials and second-hand or library books(and for a somewhat affluent area, our public libraries are crap), but there doesn't seem to be a lot of that available on the subject. Then again, I just started really looking after being re-inspired by The Demon Haunted World last week. Luckily, I happen to have received a $100 Amazon card for my recent B-day,....looks like I'll actually be able to make some headway!

Thanks again! I try avoid asking others to do my homework for me, but it is a very touchy and politicized subject and I wanted to get as many perspectives as possible. I figured the Pit would be a good place to ask, and I think I thought right! Although the downside is, if I go asking on other skeptic/atheist websites now, I could be opening myself to a doxxing......good thing I'm a broke nobody!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Apples » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:49 pm  •  [Post 459]

acathode wrote:What a coincidence, I was thinking of posting a picture of "little brother" just a few hours ago, when I read the people were talking about A+ as Jen's monstrous baby etc. Decided against it though, since it being a danish/swedish TV series, almost no one would get the reference.


:mrgreen: Awesome! It really blew my mind - a unique combo of horror, humor, and ... philosophy, I guess. I've never really seen anything else like it.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby nippletwister » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:52 pm  •  [Post 460]

shy spy wrote:nipple twister,
Elizabeth Loftus is the expert on False Memory Syndrome
http://www.skepdic.com/falsememory.html
http://fora.tv/2009/07/14/Elizabeth_Lof ... ith_Memory



Thank you! I have heard her name before, I think she was also referenced in The Demon Haunted World, but I had forgotten.

(note to self, slow down, read for comprehension, and write shit down!)

Seriously, thanks!
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Postby free thoughtpolice » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:54 pm  •  [Post 461]

"Anyone know which country the A+Theism Setar comes from?"

Pretty sure it's the Utopic Peoples Republic of Chernobyl, aka Langley BC Canada.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby comslave » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:58 pm  •  [Post 462]

Apples wrote:
Altair wrote:Maybe I'm reading too much in Rebecca's tweet, but at least it got me searching, and I learned a couple of new things tonight.


Men who try to do things sure get killed a lot.

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I wonder how many women died protecting men vs. men died protecting women?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Reap » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:00 pm  •  [Post 463]

Matt wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
16bitheretic wrote:I'm pretty sure I got hit because I made a post in the #BlockSaturday tag mocking the SJWs for their internet activities on Twitter when real social justice fighters in India were trying to stop actual gang rapes. I also had baboon unapproved people in my follow/following lists.


Well, here's some salve for that wound in the form of total pwnage:

Aratina "peachy" Cage faces off with defending champ Matt "MadMax" Hone

Not only is Aratina an abuser of the Twitter system, like Melody Hensley, makes up rules as s/h/it goes along.

(Posted by request of the Ophelia Poe. No, it's not me, Ophelia. Keep guessing)


Hello Pitters! It seemed like quite a few of you guys decided to follow me on Twitter - thanks for that. In regards to the Aratina Cage conversation, I got involved because I was pissed off with Ophelia Benson (she blocked me on Twitter because I questioned her stated reasons for banning Noelplum99 from her blog), and I didn't like her attempts to shut down a parody account.

I read a bit of ERV's blog back in the day but I wasn't a commenter. What I knew about the Pit wasn't much more than the lies PZ Myers liked to tell. I started to dislike PZ in the months prior to Elevatorgate, I noticed the mask was slipping. He wasn't the cuddly teddy bear he wanted us to think he was. He seemed to like to talk shit about things he knew nothing about, arguments from ignorance were more and more common. He was developing the classic PZ hallmark - "Some people are saying this YouTube video is awful. I haven't watched it, but I agree with them." Then Elevatorgate happened and I watched with astonishment as PZ went crazy, and it seemed like all of the Pharyngula commenters followed suit. Their treatment of Richard Dawkins annoyed the hell out of me. They've gone after Ayaan Hirsi Ali (because she works for a conservative thinktank and has some neocon beliefs - BURN THE WITCH!), Sam Harris, Lawrence Krauss, Christopher Hitchens, Michael Shermer, and DJ Grothe. Rebecca Watson and others like her became uncriticisable - make a single negative comment about them, you're a misogynist, you're an asshole, you're scum.

I spent the last year completely ignoring the atheist movement, but recently I got interested again. I'm not sure who gets the credit, but I've been doing a lot of YouTubing. There's some really interesting people on there - Noelplum99, Justin Vacula, Al Stefanelli, Justicar, Renee Hendricks, Wooly Bumblebee, Girlwriteswhat, Scentednectar, Spinozaspsyche. They are honest people who haven't allowed themselves to be shamed and silenced by Myers and his gang. Thanks to them I've now caught up with what's been happening with Atheism+ and all that bollocks.

It reveals much that simply being a member of this forum is enough to get you permanently banned from Myers' blog without an acknowledgement. It reminds me of Rapture Ready - the moment they get suspicious, you're out. Gone. It is sad to see this behaviour from an atheist, and a supposed rationalist and freethinker.

Anyway, sorry about the TLDR and the rant, but getting it all out helps. There's a character limit on YouTube and Twitter. Being able to say it all in one go means I won't constantly be whining about it from now on.


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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Apples » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm  •  [Post 464]

fascination wrote:I haven't seen that series. I'll definitely check it out. Thank you both for mentioning it.


You won't regret it :)

It's a bit like the 'Pit:

"The show is notable for its wry humor, its muted sepia colour scheme, and the appearance of a chorus of dishwashers with Down Syndrome who discuss in intimate detail the strange occurrences in the hospital." (wikipedia)
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Postby cunt » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:04 pm  •  [Post 465]

ERV wrote:And a few more have come out of the woodwork... Woo, its a girl thing?

Except women have stepped up to counter them (PhD and MD students)... Skepticism, its a girl thing?

PATRIARCHY!!!!


Maybe its all just gender-queer and fluid. Seriously, congratulations on your patent. I don't suppose you can say much without giving the game away?

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby comslave » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:29 pm  •  [Post 466]

I just remembered I hadn't done anything misogynist today, so here you go:

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Postby CommanderTuvok » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:31 pm  •  [Post 467]

Amelia Earhart wasn't killed, she disappeared in 1937 while attempting a round-the-world flight. An interesting tidbit is that she was flying with a navigator called Fred Noonan, who is almost never mentioned.


I thought she was executed by the Catholic Church?

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Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:33 pm  •  [Post 468]

Mykeru wrote:Also, because I can:

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Show the real truth, Mykeru. Or does it frighten you?

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Postby Eucliwood » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:34 pm  •  [Post 469]

Damn, they were performing executions in the 1900s?
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Postby Eucliwood » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:37 pm  •  [Post 470]

Damn you Lsuoma, when are the time periods I at least have a chance that you're available to approve my stuff? This isnt a rhetorical question. You better fucking look at it too. If not reading the forum atm, read my pending invisible posts.
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Postby Lsuoma » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:41 pm  •  [Post 471]

Eucliwoo, I am in the Pacific time zone most of the time. If you want to let me know what times you intend to post, I'll completely fucking ignore it, and moderate when I'm good and ready. Is that OK with you?
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Postby Lsuoma » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:43 pm  •  [Post 472]

Eucliwoo, don't PM me. I won't read them
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Postby Metalogic42 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:46 pm  •  [Post 473]

Eucliwood wrote:Damn you Lsuoma, when are the time periods I at least have a chance that you're available to approve my stuff? This isnt a rhetorical question. You better fucking look at it too. If not reading the forum atm, read my pending invisible posts.


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Postby AndrewV69 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:51 pm  •  [Post 474]

Eucliwood wrote:Damn you Lsuoma, when are the time periods I at least have a chance that you're available to approve my stuff? This isnt a rhetorical question. You better fucking look at it too. If not reading the forum atm, read my pending invisible posts.


Where I live, this is a "tell" denoting a certain kind of female. For some reason they are usually Americans.

(note that we have our home grown version too ... you can tell because they say "eh" as well).
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby comslave » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:00 pm  •  [Post 475]

Altair wrote:Amelia Earhart wasn't killed, she disappeared in 1937 while attempting a round-the-world flight. An interesting tidbit is that she was flying with a navigator called Fred Noonan, who is almost never mentioned.


What also isn't noted is other female pilots of her day regarded her as a second-rater. They weren't surprised when she went down.

I might try to compile a list of all the men who died trying to forge new frontiers in aviation, but typing out all the names would take the rest of the night.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby sacha » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:01 pm  •  [Post 476]

BarnOwl wrote:
English-subtitled German films can cause a bit of confusion for me when I try to listen to the dialog and read the subtitles at the same time - not so bad now that my German is quite rusty and disused, but was disconcerting the first times I watched two of my favorite films (Wim Wenders' Wings of Desire and Faraway, So Close!).



When I knew enough Italian to listen to the dialogue in Italian films, I would consistently notice how the English subtitles did not match what was being said.
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Postby Lsuoma » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:03 pm  •  [Post 477]

comslave wrote:I might try to compile a list of all the men who died trying to forge new frontiers in aviation, but typing out all the names would take the rest of the night this margin is too small to contain them all.

FTFY.
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Postby sacha » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:06 pm  •  [Post 478]

CommanderTuvok wrote:Image



that is very close to being a winner

can we get a black background and spunk coloured slime, please?

I'll try to brighten and clear the photo of Arnie
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Postby lonesagi » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:08 pm  •  [Post 479]

Apples wrote:
acathode wrote:What a coincidence, I was thinking of posting a picture of "little brother" just a few hours ago, when I read the people were talking about A+ as Jen's monstrous baby etc. Decided against it though, since it being a danish/swedish TV series, almost no one would get the reference.


:mrgreen: Awesome! It really blew my mind - a unique combo of horror, humor, and ... philosophy, I guess. I've never really seen anything else like it.


Hulu hosted the entire series a few years back. It seems they don't have it anymore. It's definitely worth watching.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:12 pm  •  [Post 480]

sacha wrote:When I knew enough Italian to listen to the dialogue in Italian films, I would consistently notice how the English subtitles did not match what was being said.

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Postby decius » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:56 pm  •  [Post 481]

mikelf wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Yeah, so this almost certainly is the A+Theism Setar. IP tracks to a what looks like a Tor exit node in Honduras. Other evidence also supports.

Thank you: this has been a public service announcement.

I'm leaning towards an new incarnation of Eucliwood. The posts have some of the same stream of (almost) consciousness.


I agree. Same style and why using Tor if not to circumvent filters?
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Postby Mr Danksworth » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:59 pm  •  [Post 482]

So, there I was, doing some research. Suddenly, a wild ad appeared...

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Hmm, I thought to myself. This looks like a scammy phishing ad. I think I'll give it a click...
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Luckily I was saved by the Mac and it's relative immunity to pop-up scams...
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I think that it is safe to say that I expect more out of a supposed 'skeptical' website. Looks to me like they are phishing for idiots.
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Postby nippletwister » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:59 pm  •  [Post 483]

mikelf wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Yeah, so this almost certainly is the A+Theism Setar. IP tracks to a what looks like a Tor exit node in Honduras. Other evidence also supports.

Thank you: this has been a public service announcement.

I'm leaning towards an new incarnation of Eucliwood. The posts have some of the same stream of (almost) consciousness.



That's exactly what I thought when I read the first few ladysetar posts.

Of course, I only read the first few words of Eucliwood's posts, enough to confirm that they're still steaming shitpiles, and then move on, so I'm no expert.
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Postby justinvacula » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:00 pm  •  [Post 484]

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Postby AndrewV69 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:04 pm  •  [Post 485]

decius wrote:
mikelf wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Yeah, so this almost certainly is the A+Theism Setar. IP tracks to a what looks like a Tor exit node in Honduras. Other evidence also supports.

Thank you: this has been a public service announcement.

I'm leaning towards an new incarnation of Eucliwood. The posts have some of the same stream of (almost) consciousness.


I agree. Same style and why using Tor if not to circumvent filters?


I can not tell the difference between Ladysetar and the A+Setar. I am going to have to let the rest of you sort it out.

Bit of a tough job if you ask me. Just saying.

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Postby Lsuoma » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:07 pm  •  [Post 486]

nippletwister wrote:
mikelf wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Yeah, so this almost certainly is the A+Theism Setar. IP tracks to a what looks like a Tor exit node in Honduras. Other evidence also supports.

Thank you: this has been a public service announcement.

I'm leaning towards an new incarnation of Eucliwood. The posts have some of the same stream of (almost) consciousness.



That's exactly what I thought when I read the first few ladysetar posts.

Of course, I only read the first few words of Eucliwood's posts, enough to confirm that they're still steaming shitpiles, and then move on, so I'm no expert.

Could very well be - the email address is from the .ca TLD, which would indicate a quite smart troll (they have done research about Setar). On the basis of the mikelf's and nippletwister's thoughts I went to look at Eucliwoo's PMs to me - s/h/it is clearly a strong egotist who leaks information without realizing it - and there it was: a question about multiple accounts, so yes, I think mikelf and nippletwister win a cigar each.

My initial thought was to put ladyboy setar in moderation too, but I have no reason so to do. Let's see how this one evolves. Should be interesting.
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Postby JackSkeptic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:08 pm  •  [Post 487]

For what it's worth, I think Eucliwood is more than one person.
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Postby Mr Danksworth » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:16 pm  •  [Post 488]

AndrewV69 wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:I was a contract worker for USAID for a couple of years and thought the agency tries to do good work(and succeeds at times)congress has turned it into a program to subsidize US agriculture and industry. Farmers are crops are subsidized and the surplus is used for famine relief and development work. Often on the development side NGO's are given grain which they may then sell in the nation being aided and use that money to fund their projects. The problem is that this can often drive down the market prices in the country they're ostensibly trying to help, and cause local farmer to go out of business. The NGO's must also use US made equipment which they buy with the money from the grain sales.
It's a difficult situation.


Similar goes on here in Canukistan and other countries. Vouchers are issued with a list of companies where they can be spent.

Having seen how that works out up close (I have spent a bit over twenty years in 3rd world countries), it translates into bagmen approaching various political actors with inducements to consider certain companies over others.

Sometimes the people involved fuck up royally, like the Karlheinz Schreiber business:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Schreiber

When I throw out comments like "Obama is Bush in blackface and Harper is his bottom bitch" I am not really joking. Unfortunately, at a certain level it is true.

YMMV


Thank you both for that grain of truth and a line to research. Muchly appreciated.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Mr Danksworth » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:24 pm  •  [Post 489]

Michael K Gray wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:...I believe we need to find a cheap and clean energy source such as usable fusion power technology to sustain anywhere near our present population levels much less our standard and quality of living.
There, the solution to all the worlds' problems.

We already have all the fusion power that we need.
The fusion reactor is called "the Sun".


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Postby Altair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:29 pm  •  [Post 490]

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Amelia Earhart wasn't killed, she disappeared in 1937 while attempting a round-the-world flight. An interesting tidbit is that she was flying with a navigator called Fred Noonan, who is almost never mentioned.


I thought she was executed by the Catholic Church?

:popcorn:


No, you're thinking of her slightly less famous but a lot less oppressed, Galileo Earhart. Instead of trying to fly around the world, he tried to sit down and demonstrate that the world could move. Lazy bastard.
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Postby another lurker » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:31 pm  •  [Post 491]

Jack wrote:For what it's worth, I think Eucliwood is more than one person.



She also sounds different in her last two whines. The comment about 'pending invisible posts' sounds more sophisticated for Eucli than usual.
I am glad to have been exposed to this point of view, and appreciate the time you took to express it.
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Postby decius » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:39 pm  •  [Post 492]

Meet the German Twatson. Drama unfolding as we speak.

http://www.thelocal.de/politics/2013012 ... QS83mctpAo
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Postby Michael K Gray » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:51 pm  •  [Post 493]

Mr Danksworth wrote:So, there I was, doing some research. Suddenly, a wild ad appeared...
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You just doxxed yerself mate.
H&R Block targeted ads are for Aussies only.
According to A+Theismatists, merely revealing your resident country places you in immediate mortal peril!
Grate Danger Will Danksworth!

Ala Shurly Aimless, you are going to be forced by the Patriarchy to move to another country, lest you be hunted down like a rabid cur by crack team of the Special Slymepit Taunting Squad.
Not that it exists, of course. Unless we get caught. And even then we'll uselessly deny it and lie about it.
And ignore that unmarked black helicopter.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:54 pm  •  [Post 494]

justinvacula wrote:Karla Porter on 'Twitter harassment' - short sound clip:
https://soundcloud.com/justinvacula/kar ... on-twitter

Was she doing a Mattress Dillahunty, and blogging whilst driving?
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Postby Altair » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:01 am  •  [Post 495]

An interesting conversation took place at PZ's latest thunderdome today (Frozen page can be found here)

Taking advantage of thunderdome's unmoderated status, a brave soul who goes by the name of ltlftc asks

ltlftc wrote:Can someone justify their hatred of MRAs for me?


The answers he/she gets are not as vitriolic and porcupine-related as I would have expected.

Caine wrote:Short answer? Misogyny is ugly and it’s been going on for far too long. Book suggestion: Misogyny: The World’s Oldest Prejudice, by Jack Holland.

Here’s a helpful suggestion, please take it seriously. Go off for a bit and read many, many posts at Manboobz. Then come back for discussion here. Now, if you’re “Lee Coye”, just fuck off already. Thanks.


After that, someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's

rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me


(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?)

Then Nepenthe shows us how much they understand the burden of proof


Are you suggesting that Men’s Rights is just a guise for male supremacy? If so, can you cite any particular reason why?


I have a better and more fun (for us) idea. Why don’t you find us an MRA who is not a male supremacist and then bring his or her name back here for us, mmm?

Go on, go get it. *balls fist, waves it in front of ltlftc, makes throwing motion*


IMO, ltlftc keeps asking polite, rational and skeptical questions, asking for evidence and specific situations and they keep giving him assertions and vague answers like "go read AVFM", "go read manboobz" and they also use the now-debunked claim about the SLPC.

Eventually ltlftc is accused of JAQing off and dismissed as a troll, and he/she apparently leaves of their own volition.

It was an interesting example of how a conversation goes when they have to deal with someone they cannot ban and who won't let them use their usual tactics.

Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.
Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.
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Postby somedumbguy » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:07 am  •  [Post 496]

Altair wrote:An interesting conversation took place at PZ's latest thunderdome today (Frozen page can be found here)

Taking advantage of thunderdome's unmoderated status, a brave soul who goes by the name of ltlftc asks

ltlftc wrote:Can someone justify their hatred of MRAs for me?


The answers he/she gets are not as vitriolic and porcupine-related as I would have expected.

Caine wrote:Short answer? Misogyny is ugly and it’s been going on for far too long. Book suggestion: Misogyny: The World’s Oldest Prejudice, by Jack Holland.

Here’s a helpful suggestion, please take it seriously. Go off for a bit and read many, many posts at Manboobz. Then come back for discussion here. Now, if you’re “Lee Coye”, just fuck off already. Thanks.


After that, someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's

rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me


(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?)

Then Nepenthe shows us how much they understand the burden of proof


Are you suggesting that Men’s Rights is just a guise for male supremacy? If so, can you cite any particular reason why?


I have a better and more fun (for us) idea. Why don’t you find us an MRA who is not a male supremacist and then bring his or her name back here for us, mmm?

Go on, go get it. *balls fist, waves it in front of ltlftc, makes throwing motion*


IMO, ltlftc keeps asking polite, rational and skeptical questions, asking for evidence and specific situations and they keep giving him assertions and vague answers like "go read AVFM", "go read manboobz" and they also use the now-debunked claim about the SLPC.

Eventually ltlftc is accused of JAQing off and dismissed as a troll, and he/she apparently leaves of their own volition.

It was an interesting example of how a conversation goes when they have to deal with someone they cannot ban and who won't let them use their usual tactics.

Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.
Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.


There certainly are wackos in the MRM but David Futrelle not just cherry picks but actively lies, for example, in his blogging about Warren Farrell. But not just that, if you are careful to read what Futrelle writes about on a daily basis, and think about it critically, he misleads with almost every post and outright lies on many of them.

And like PZ he surrounds himself with a sycophantic group of bullies that provide each other ego strokes and ensure actual discussion cannot take place. And if you do succeed, you will be banned.
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Postby nippletwister » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:10 am  •  [Post 497]

decius wrote:Meet the German Twatson. Drama unfolding as we speak.

http://www.thelocal.de/politics/2013012 ... QS83mctpAo



well, it's not exactly a big deal, but it's still more harassing than anything Watson or any of the FTB'ers or skepchicks actually went through before they started fishing for trolls.

I still have a hard time getting too worked up over "dirty old man says slightly crude words, woman acts as if it has actually harmed her in some way".

I've just never bought the feminist argument that noticing a person's attributes, or even commenting on them when they don't want you to, equals reducing the person to nothing but that attribute. The whole concept of objectification does more objectification than the supposed objectification. I can see it "feeling" that way some times, or getting mildly annoyed, but surely turning it into a major part of your mental state is something the person mostly does to herself. Hell, everyone objectifies everyone, all the time...but it's only bad when someone does it to a woman who thinks she shouldn't have to deal with the same things everyone else does. Then we need policies, university classes, and media campaigns to deal with it.
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Postby somedumbguy » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:15 am  •  [Post 498]

Jack wrote:For what it's worth, I think Eucliwood is more than one person.


Eucliwood does not write as I would imagine an underage female would write.

The real question may be is how many (n) people write with the Eucliwood account and how many personalities (m) do they have?
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Postby masakari2012 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:15 am  •  [Post 499]

Had to share this with you misogynists! :rimshot: ....
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Postby rayshul » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:18 am  •  [Post 500]

Altair wrote:After that, someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's

rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me


(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?)


I figure she's meaning "Share those first few weeks of our lovely baby" with her rather than... thinking it is all about her. Although it is odd phrasing. What I'm confused about there is why can't people get paternity leave? Is this a location-based thing? A workmate of mine took 5 weeks paternity leave; my husband took 8 weeks. Although I don't believe either of them are feminists... maybe they only stop feminist men from looking after kids? :lol:

Also is she automatically assuming she'd be the one to stay home? Tee hee.

Altair wrote:Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.
Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.


Yeah. I read a lot of the "worse" MRA comments as men who've had failed relationships and their kids taken due to sexism in the court. I mean, that kind of anger isn't nice to read but it's certainly understandable. Most of the ones I've seen at AVfM have been quite laid back.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:22 am  •  [Post 501]

Mr Danksworth wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:...I believe we need to find a cheap and clean energy source such as usable fusion power technology to sustain anywhere near our present population levels much less our standard and quality of living.
There, the solution to all the worlds' problems.

We already have all the fusion power that we need.
The fusion reactor is called "the Sun".


Fuckin' hippy.

Not at the moment, but I hope to a bit later.
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Postby katamari Damassi » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:28 am  •  [Post 502]

Mr Danksworth wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:I was a contract worker for USAID for a couple of years and thought the agency tries to do good work(and succeeds at times)congress has turned it into a program to subsidize US agriculture and industry. Farmers are crops are subsidized and the surplus is used for famine relief and development work. Often on the development side NGO's are given grain which they may then sell in the nation being aided and use that money to fund their projects. The problem is that this can often drive down the market prices in the country they're ostensibly trying to help, and cause local farmer to go out of business. The NGO's must also use US made equipment which they buy with the money from the grain sales.
It's a difficult situation.


Similar goes on here in Canukistan and other countries. Vouchers are issued with a list of companies where they can be spent.

Having seen how that works out up close (I have spent a bit over twenty years in 3rd world countries), it translates into bagmen approaching various political actors with inducements to consider certain companies over others.

Sometimes the people involved fuck up royally, like the Karlheinz Schreiber business:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Schreiber

When I throw out comments like "Obama is Bush in blackface and Harper is his bottom bitch" I am not really joking. Unfortunately, at a certain level it is true.

YMMV


Thank you both for that grain of truth and a line to research. Muchly appreciated.

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Postby decius » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:34 am  •  [Post 503]

nippletwister wrote:well, it's not exactly a big deal, but it's still more harassing than anything Watson or any of the FTB'ers or skepchicks actually went through before they started fishing for trolls.



Still blown out of proportions and used as a propaganda tool to further political agendas of divisiveness.
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Postby Skep tickle » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:49 am  •  [Post 504]

Altair wrote:An interesting conversation took place at PZ's latest thunderdome today (Frozen page can be found here)

...someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's

rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me


(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?) ...


Good pickup, but there's even more to enjoy in the full quote from rowanvt (#18 in that freezepage shot; bolding added here):
Well, let’s see. If what the MRAs wanted was actual equality, they’d be feminists. As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me. That is a case where patriarchy has also harmed men.

But the MRAs we see are not after equality. They are after the status quo and sticking it to the bitches that won’t flirt/date/have sex with them. They want to be able to treat women how they want to treat women without any consideration that women are as individual as men. They constantly show this via such language as ‘stupid cunts’, ‘bitches’, ‘feminazis’, ‘fat sluts’, ‘whiny’, ‘emotional’, and ‘whores’, just to list a few.

So tell me, individual, why are you so upset that I might find MRAs highly distasteful?

1) Femin-ists want "actual equality" (because "femin-ism" has been asserted to mean that) but the mirror image group couldn't possibly have similar or at least analogous interests.

2) Simpler, apparently, to just rely on PZ's ravings for your description of MRAs...just as he wants you to. ("You" meaning those in his echo chamber.)
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Postby decius » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:50 am  •  [Post 505]

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Postby debaser71 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:53 am  •  [Post 506]

rayshul wrote:
Altair wrote:After that, someone else tells him/her that if men wanted equality, they would be feminists, not MRA's

rowanvt wrote:As a woman and a feminist who desires to someday have a child, I would *love* for my future husband to be able to have paternity leave to share those first few weeks with me


(Not because he'd probably want to spend time with his child, or because the child would be benefited by bonding with their father, but because SHE would like him to share the first weeks with HER. Entitled much?)


I figure she's meaning "Share those first few weeks of our lovely baby" with her rather than... thinking it is all about her. Although it is odd phrasing. What I'm confused about there is why can't people get paternity leave? Is this a location-based thing? A workmate of mine took 5 weeks paternity leave; my husband took 8 weeks. Although I don't believe either of them are feminists... maybe they only stop feminist men from looking after kids? :lol:

Also is she automatically assuming she'd be the one to stay home? Tee hee.

Altair wrote:Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.
Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.


Yeah. I read a lot of the "worse" MRA comments as men who've had failed relationships and their kids taken due to sexism in the court. I mean, that kind of anger isn't nice to read but it's certainly understandable. Most of the ones I've seen at AVfM have been quite laid back.


http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

12 weeks parental leave is the law.
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Postby Skep tickle » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:57 am  •  [Post 507]

debaser71 wrote:http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

12 weeks parental leave is the law.

That's US law (for companies with 50 or more employees).

Some parents live elsewhere in the world. ;)
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Postby birdterrifier » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:58 am  •  [Post 508]

d4m10n wrote:
Za-zen wrote:If you have an hour to kill, this is an example of two slyme, ranting at victim.

[spoiler][/spoiler]



OMG DOXXXX!

That's BirdTerrifier on the left, BTW. Our guest is one of those women in secularism that we've been hearing about. We were talking about how fanhood and tribalism relate to politics and such.

And "fanship" is not a word. God dammit.
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Postby debaser71 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:06 am  •  [Post 509]

fair enough...I was gonna edit to say "here in the US" but ...yeah...

I didn't know about the 50 employee thing though. But I checked and you are correct.

I took time off when my kids were born. I didn't have to invoke FMLA on my employers or anything. Anyway FMLA applies to men and women.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:07 am  •  [Post 510]

Skep tickle wrote:
debaser71 wrote:http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

12 weeks parental leave is the law.

That's US law (for companies with 50 or more employees).

Some parents live elsewhere in the world. ;)

You mean there is another universe outside of the little ol' US of A?
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Postby AndrewV69 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:11 am  •  [Post 511]

Altair wrote:Now, trying to get ahead of Steersman (haven't seem him post in a while, though, I hope he's OK), THERE ARE some questionable quotes at manboobs by MRA's, but in my opinion many of them are cherry picked, many belong to commenters and not to "prominent figures" in the movement and some of them are the product of angry men who have had bad life experiences.


I would not be surprised if Steersman, even as we speak is not off tormenting some other bunch of unsuspecting yahoos. Do not worry about Steersman. Worry about his victims.

(I heart that man so much I got a brocrush on him).

Altair wrote:Am I saying that there are no radical wackos in the MRM? no, I'm saying that there are wackos in every movement, and that until we can find a MRA that advocates for gendercide, concentration camps for women or a castration day for women, I don't really care about most of what manboobz can showcase.


Well I currently believe the MRM is too young to have fully developed a branch of whacked out radicals like the Radfems. Not yet anyway.

Give us a little more time, and no doubt us menz being the superior creatures that we are, will produce our own version that will make the Radfems tremble in awe, not to mention slap themselves silly while wondering why they never thought of that particular lunacy themselves first.

The answer to that of course, is that women tend to be more conservative, right across the board including both ends of the curve. Nope, only us men can produce the more extreme versions of genius and lunacy and in much greater quantity. We got the women beat on this. No question.

Examples:

Compare OB and bin Laden. Which is the better lunatic?

Carrier and PeeZuss Christ. Do they have any women that even come close? Who can contend? Twatson? Mel "dog dick" Hensley? InZvanity? Surly Amy? None of these are ever going to make it to the starting block.

They have Nerd of Redhead. The best we can do is Ecliwood.

I rest my case.
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Postby debaser71 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:20 am  •  [Post 512]

ya us backwards rednecks have laws that include men when talking about paternity leave
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Postby Skep tickle » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:22 am  •  [Post 513]

Michael K Gray wrote:You mean there is another universe outside of the little ol' US of A?

Shhhh! Don't let the Americans in on the secret.

debaser71 wrote:fair enough...I was gonna edit to say "here in the US" but ...yeah...

I didn't know about the 50 employee thing though. But I checked and you are correct.

I took time off when my kids were born. I didn't have to invoke FMLA on my employers or anything. Anyway FMLA applies to men and women.

Some weeks it feels like all I do it fill out FMLA forms. (For time loss related to all sorts of medical conditions, not only pregnancy.)

FMLA: US Federal Act passed in 1993. HIPAA: US Federal Act passed in 1996. Turns out FMLA forms aren't HIPAA-compliant*, but I haven't been able to get the Department of Labor (which oversees FMLA) to act like they understand that, or care.

*Actually, HIPAA applies to electronic information, and FMLA forms (which lack any "release of information" assent for the employee to sign) are completed on paper then faxed (or mailed) to the HR department of the employee's company, so it's more that the FMLA form lacks the measures to protect a person's medical information that we've come to assume should be universally followed in health care.

But I digress.
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Postby debaser71 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:23 am  •  [Post 514]

omg no edit, not even a 20 second one is annoying....maybe I should just finish eating first

*parental leave

in what backwards ass country do some of you live in where men aren't parents?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby John Greg » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:27 am  •  [Post 515]

I still think that ladysetar is a satire, probably local. I mean, ladysetar is nowehere near as vitriolic, insane, or just plain weird as the actual Setar.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby another lurker » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:31 am  •  [Post 516]

John Greg wrote:I still think that ladysetar is a satire, probably local. I mean, ladysetar is nowehere near as vitriolic, insane, or just plain weird as the actual Setar.


Agreed.
I am glad to have been exposed to this point of view, and appreciate the time you took to express it.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby sacha » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:41 am  •  [Post 517]

VickyCaramel wrote:
(And as I no longer sponsor the current thread, can I take this corset off now?)


haha! No fainting here.

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:44 am  •  [Post 518]

Jack wrote:Hi low life's. I've just registered to show my appreciation for this site. Without your uncanny ability to point me to the relentless entertainment provided by FTB and A+ my life would have been intolerable. They seem so co.........

blah blah blah yeah we heard it all before Jack.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:48 am  •  [Post 519]

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:...I believe we need to find a cheap and clean energy source such as usable fusion power technology to sustain anywhere near our present population levels much less our standard and quality of living.
There, the solution to all the worlds' problems.

We already have all the fusion power that we need.
The fusion reactor is called "the Sun".


Harnessing solar power, hydro, wind is good but limited for total needs. Ocean currents have huge potential but at this point the energy required to maintain the infrastructure is greater than the harvest. It would seem to me that although the energy is there it would never be cheap or practical without a huge technology breakthrough.
The ultimate tech breakthrough will be harnessing of local fusion power.


DARPA is working on new solar cells that will increase the harvest from 10% efficiency to about 50% by specialising them to "catch" specific wavelenghts. It must be true, because I read it on Listverse. Of course, had the article been on Craked, I would be 100% sure it's true. I'm a sceptic, like that...

Also, welcome Matt and LadySetar!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:49 am  •  [Post 520]

And Jack.
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