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Post by AndrewV69 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:08 am

Oneiros666 wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: Looking at the answer provided by Lewis and the post by Oneiros666 above yours reminds me of the topic of academic mobbing written about by Kenneth Westhues, and his opinions on conflicting modes of discourse, which he labels as modern and postmodern.

*SNIP*

Which to my mind is typical baboon behaviour. Note that I am not saying that Lewis is a typical baboon (not yet anyway).
What the raging cuntfuck are you on about?

You try to equate A+theism and the Slymepit's campaign against them with radical students at universities "mobbing" their professors in the sixties? The hell? And then proceeds to call me a baboon. That's your prerogative, and it's my prerogative to say go suck a donkey's cock.

I have no, I repeat, no intention of taking A+theism plus seriously anymore. I tried to debate them rationally and was treated much the same way as everyone else who has tried: By fucking insanity and cult-behaviour. A+theism and FftB are ruining the good name of atheism that we were finally on the way of creating (i.e. making atheism mainstream). Those fuckers are encouraging the myth that atheism=>communism/radical feminism/etc that the fundies have been scaring the american populace with for over 60 years.

So I say again: Fuck those fuckers to the ground. Hard.
My apologies for triggering you. It was certainly inadvertent.

I certainly did not intend to call you a baboon. I think many people here would be justifiably upset with the inference, and I believe that you seeing your name in close conjunction with that may have triggered you into jumping the gun.

But that was not my intent, so let us review.

My post was here:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 103#p53103

And was in reply to Michael J here:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 088#p53088

And your post was this one where you illustrated the emotional nature of the attacks on Noelplum:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 087#p53087

So I thought it was a useful illustration of the contrasting styles of discourse, modern vs postmodern involved in academic mobbing. My thought is that the baboon style matched the postmodern, and the example you gave on the emotional nature of the attacks on Noelplum and his responses was an appropriate example of said same.

Here they are again, modern vs postmodern styles:
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/regiftedxmas12.html
Modern discourse

Following are ten key characteristics of modern discourse, what many professors and students even now consider the normal or standard way to think, study and argue in the academy:
• "personal detachment from the issues under discussion," the separation of participants' personal identities from subjects of inquiry and topics of debate;
• values on "confidence, originality, agonism, independence of thought, creativity, assertiveness, the mastery of one’s feelings, a thick skin and high tolerance for your own and others’ discomfort";
• suited to a heterotopic space like a university class, scholarly journal, or session of a learned society conference, a place apart much like a playing field for sports events, where competitors engage in ritual combat before returning with a handshake to the realm of friendly, personal interaction;
• illustrated by debate in the British House of Commons;
• epitomized by the debates a century ago between socialist G. B. Shaw and distributist G. K. Chesterton;
• playfulness is legitimate: one can play devil’s advocate, speak tongue in cheek, overstate and use hyperbole, the object being not to capture the truth in a single, balanced monologue, but to expose the strengths and weaknesses of various positions;
• "scathing satire and sharp criticism" are also legitimate;
• the best ideas are thought to emerge from mutual, merciless probing and attacking of arguments, with resultant exposure of blindspots in vision, cracks in theories, inconsistencies in logic;
• participants are forced again and again to return to the drawing board and produce better arguments;
• the truth is understood not to be located in any single voice, but to emerge from the conversation as a whole.

Postmodern discourse

Over the past half century, a competing mode of discourse, the one I call postmodern, has become steadily more entrenched in academe. Following are ten of its hallmarks, as Roberts and Sailer describe on their blogs:
• "persons and positions are ordinarily closely related," with little insistence on keeping personal identity separate from the questions or issues under discussion;
• "sensitivity, inclusivity, and inoffensiveness are key values";
• priority on "cooperation, collaboration, quietness, sedentariness, empathy, equality, non-competitiveness, conformity, a communal focus";
• "seems lacking in rationality and ideological challenge," in the eyes of proponents of modern discourse;
• tends to perceive the satire and criticism of modern discourse as "vicious and personal attack, driven by a hateful animus";
• is oriented to " the standard measures of grades, tests, and a closely defined curriculum";
• lacking "means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation," it will "typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition";
• "will typically try, not to answer opponents with better arguments, but to silence them completely as ‘hateful’, ‘intolerant’, ‘bigoted’, ‘misogynistic’, ‘homophobic’, etc.";
• has a more feminine flavour, as opposed to the more masculine flavour of modern discourse;
• results in "stale monologues" and contexts that "seldom produce strong thought, but rather tend to become echo chambers."

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Post by comslave » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:10 am

d4m10n wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote: [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/cWxDtY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9gsKuFF.jpg[/spoiler]

Plan ahead Vacula. Preemptively communicate with Melody's boss before you are painted as a total rage-filled woman hater.
If you want to push back against Slocum’s banhammer bandwagon, Ron's e-mail is rlindsay [at] centerforinquiry [dot] net.

I've already written him expressing my concerns, but a couple dozen more e-mails wouldn't hurt.


The way Melody keeps reminding everyone "there's a policy, there's a policy" to kick people from the conference really sounds like she's fishing for someone to file that complaint. And she only needs one.

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Post by ReneeHendricks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:11 am

Al Stefanelli wrote:A promotional spot for my upcoming radio show...

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Awesome promo, Al!

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Post by Al Stefanelli » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:16 am

ReneeHendricks wrote:
Al Stefanelli wrote:A promotional spot for my upcoming radio show...

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Awesome promo, Al!
Thanks! I'll be doing the occasional interview, as well. :)

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Post by Za-zen » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:19 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Za-zen wrote:Can somebody with the capabilities screencap @nikephorious' willingness to kneecap people for Benson. First off she doesn't call it out, but offers an alternative! Secondly he later claims to be a lawyer! That is one guy who is obviously thick as fuck, since he seems to be in Scotland, and that one tweet could possibly get him disbarred.

For those who don't know "kneecapping" is where you use a hammer or a weapon to destroy someones kneecap. Most commonly ssociated with punishment beatings in N.Ireland, where it was routinely dished out by paramilitaries to people who fucked with them, or generally who they didn't like.

I'm N.Irish, from the estates, grew up with the violence, knew people who were whacked, was politically involved myself, and would most heartedly welcome this scottish wankers attempt to kneecap me, the bravado of such a middle class wanke! Douchewad.
Or power drills, I'm told. Do you think it's true that much of the small-scale violence was about the drug trade? I've also heard that the 2 sides would engage in tit-for-tat attacks when things got too quiet because they were profiting from the ongoing violence. Myth?
A lot of the "punishment beatings" were/are still dished out because of the drug trade. The best way ti describe this to an American audience, is to think of the Mafia. They don't trade themselves, they tolerate certain individuals aslong as they get a kickback, and punish others who trade. It's a case of who you know, that's on the republican side of things. The loyalists are/were far more directly involved in trading, and would directly run dealers.

Tit for tat because they were profiting from the violence? Sounds mythical to me.

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Post by lost control » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:22 am

VickyCaramel wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Thanks to Vicky for the laugh - and my latest sig. ;)

By the way, do you want a change to the title of this thread? It's meant in good fun, obviously, but you sounded ambivalent about it on your blog.
I'm not ambivalent, I am very honoured to sponsor this orgy. It's just that I have contributed fuck all to this site apart from boobs. If my boobs offend 'them' then I'm very glad to contribute. But I don't want to attention-whore up your forum either and offend people here.

You guys are all on the ball over this stuff and I'm not, it is hard to get involved in the discussion here. But I hope I can give you all a good laugh. And as promised, I did provide a photo with a pearl necklace.
I think the current thread's title's well deserved. Usually the birds are posted upon such a request, but you actually got a hearable laugh out of me.


And now I wonder what would happen if I asked my gal about taking a pic of her cleavage to be able to post it on the net for instances of Pics or didn't happen and ToGTFO? That can't possibly go wrong, as she detests having any pictures of her taken. We'll see. Now, there's a plan for the weekend. Actually, I'm sure it will lead to an interesting conversation about taking pics. And it'll take her mind off of having to undergo yet another medical test. Hmm, I guess I might actually bring that up?

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Post by Dick Strawkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:25 am

http://i.imgur.com/hMYdIzK.jpg

What the fuck is up with Ophelia Benson?
I lived in Ireland for a while during the 'troubles' and the term "kneecapping" means something pretty specific - and seeing as the offer to do it to Ophelia's opponents came from someone in Scotland, I guess he meant the same sort of procedure.

To those that don't know, kneecapping generally involved the victim getting kidnapped and hauled away in the middle of the night to some dark alley or remote country lane, whereupon he was tied up and had a gun barrel pressed against his knee. The gun was fired one or more time through the knees with the intent of crippling the victim. On many occasions the damage was so great that amputation was required and in more than one occasion the victim died through blood loss.

When someone offers to carry out such a procedure on your political opponent the ethical thing to do is not to simply laugh it off and say you'd 'prefer' some other option - and suggest something unobtainable such as mass conversion to "decency".
The correct thing to do is IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES.
This guy is offering to SHOOT people on your behalf.

Don't joke around with such people.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmp3x ... o1_400.png

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Post by xinit » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:26 am

Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad that happens to everyone everywhere (thanks to our partnerships with the Elders of Zion and the Bilderbergs and our control of space, time, and internet), perhaps it's time that we put together an act of good will, and extended an olive branch to the FTB peoples by sending some support to Natalie Reed. She;

1) [feels] alienation from the Atheist Community
2) [lives in] fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community
3) [considers herself] still a target
4) [is] still homeless [and can't write much as a result]
5) [is] under a ton of stress
6) need to somehow save $2K for [her] surgery

Well, a lot of those reasons for leaving FTB aren't anything we can do anything about short of self defense training or a gift certificate to a place that sells armor that protects against Atheist Attacks in the street...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.

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Post by Casual Nemesis » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:27 am

rocko2466 wrote:This is my last for a week. Spent more time on this than the last one.
Took a little more poetic licence. Might not be as true to the source material.

[youtube]K8ll6poCsjA[/youtube]


Great vid rocko. An epic for the ages. LoL

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Post by ReneeHendricks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:29 am

Al Stefanelli wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Al Stefanelli wrote:A promotional spot for my upcoming radio show...

(YT)rj9bQAJfy5M(/YT)
Awesome promo, Al!
Thanks! I'll be doing the occasional interview, as well. :)
I'll be glued to my earphones each Sunday :D

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:30 am

welch wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:Does anyone consider, that the dribbling coterie of virtual tourette sufferers at FtB may actually just be pseudonyms for the bloggers at FtB, that they are deliberately being hostile in comments in order that people attempt to defend themselves and therefore produce more hits.

At this point I genuinely wonder if a large majority of hits and comments are not coming from those here. Are you feeding what you hate rather than letting it starve? I'm not saying this is the case, but would it surprise anyone?
I comment there rarely, and only on sites where I'm not banned. SO that's...justin griffith, Aron Ra, and that avicienne dude. But I use my real name, and tend not to sit around hitting refresh.

I have never been banned from Freethought Blogs, Skepchick, or the Atheism Plus forum. That's because I have never posted a comment on any of them, have never registered an account and refuse to engage them within their echo chamber.

I get the impression that this really bothers them. Like everything else.

Given all we know about their banning, blocking, even editing posts to cast people in a poor light, to engage then on their turf seems futile at best and counterproductive because it gives the impression of their being more discussion and active users than there really is. Gee, registered yet another account to pester P.Z.? That'll show him. A little discussion and selective editing, not to mention site hits, before the ban-hammer falls. Boy, that'll get him by the balls.

On level fields such as comment sections outside of their control, then it's open season on the fuckers.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:33 am

Notung wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:They don't have an old copy of the heart pain article though, but who cares.
Glad you got the EG comments.

I found the other comments BTW - they don't call me 'the greatest person in the world' for nothing: http://web.archive.org/web/201008290601 ... y_save.php
Thanks. Have times ever changed! By my comments there, I still hadn't realized that he was as radfemmy, illogical, and insane, as some of his usual commentors. I was talking to him as though he were smart and likable, and intellectually above his usual commentors. Hahahahahahaha, was I ever surprised by the time EGate happened!

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Post by jimthepleb » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:34 am

[spoiler]
AndrewV69 wrote:
Oneiros666 wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: Looking at the answer provided by Lewis and the post by Oneiros666 above yours reminds me of the topic of academic mobbing written about by Kenneth Westhues, and his opinions on conflicting modes of discourse, which he labels as modern and postmodern.

*SNIP*

Which to my mind is typical baboon behaviour. Note that I am not saying that Lewis is a typical baboon (not yet anyway).
What the raging cuntfuck are you on about?

You try to equate A+theism and the Slymepit's campaign against them with radical students at universities "mobbing" their professors in the sixties? The hell? And then proceeds to call me a baboon. That's your prerogative, and it's my prerogative to say go suck a donkey's cock.

I have no, I repeat, no intention of taking A+theism plus seriously anymore. I tried to debate them rationally and was treated much the same way as everyone else who has tried: By fucking insanity and cult-behaviour. A+theism and FftB are ruining the good name of atheism that we were finally on the way of creating (i.e. making atheism mainstream). Those fuckers are encouraging the myth that atheism=>communism/radical feminism/etc that the fundies have been scaring the american populace with for over 60 years.

So I say again: Fuck those fuckers to the ground. Hard.
My apologies for triggering you. It was certainly inadvertent.

I certainly did not intend to call you a baboon. I think many people here would be justifiably upset with the inference, and I believe that you seeing your name in close conjunction with that may have triggered you into jumping the gun.

But that was not my intent, so let us review.

My post was here:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 103#p53103

And was in reply to Michael J here:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 088#p53088

And your post was this one where you illustrated the emotional nature of the attacks on Noelplum:
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 087#p53087

So I thought it was a useful illustration of the contrasting styles of discourse, modern vs postmodern involved in academic mobbing. My thought is that the baboon style matched the postmodern, and the example you gave on the emotional nature of the attacks on Noelplum and his responses was an appropriate example of said same.

Here they are again, modern vs postmodern styles:
http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/regiftedxmas12.html[/spoiler]
Modern discourse

Following are ten key characteristics of modern discourse, what many professors and students even now consider the normal or standard way to think, study and argue in the academy:
• "personal detachment from the issues under discussion," the separation of participants' personal identities from subjects of inquiry and topics of debate;
• values on "confidence, originality, agonism, independence of thought, creativity, assertiveness, the mastery of one’s feelings, a thick skin and high tolerance for your own and others’ discomfort";
• suited to a heterotopic space like a university class, scholarly journal, or session of a learned society conference, a place apart much like a playing field for sports events, where competitors engage in ritual combat before returning with a handshake to the realm of friendly, personal interaction;
• illustrated by debate in the British House of Commons;
• epitomized by the debates a century ago between socialist G. B. Shaw and distributist G. K. Chesterton;
• playfulness is legitimate: one can play devil’s advocate, speak tongue in cheek, overstate and use hyperbole, the object being not to capture the truth in a single, balanced monologue, but to expose the strengths and weaknesses of various positions;
• "scathing satire and sharp criticism" are also legitimate;
• the best ideas are thought to emerge from mutual, merciless probing and attacking of arguments, with resultant exposure of blindspots in vision, cracks in theories, inconsistencies in logic;
• participants are forced again and again to return to the drawing board and produce better arguments;
• the truth is understood not to be located in any single voice, but to emerge from the conversation as a whole.

Postmodern discourse

Over the past half century, a competing mode of discourse, the one I call postmodern, has become steadily more entrenched in academe. Following are ten of its hallmarks, as Roberts and Sailer describe on their blogs:
• "persons and positions are ordinarily closely related," with little insistence on keeping personal identity separate from the questions or issues under discussion;
• "sensitivity, inclusivity, and inoffensiveness are key values";
• priority on "cooperation, collaboration, quietness, sedentariness, empathy, equality, non-competitiveness, conformity, a communal focus";
• "seems lacking in rationality and ideological challenge," in the eyes of proponents of modern discourse;
• tends to perceive the satire and criticism of modern discourse as "vicious and personal attack, driven by a hateful animus";
• is oriented to " the standard measures of grades, tests, and a closely defined curriculum";
• lacking "means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation," it will "typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition";
• "will typically try, not to answer opponents with better arguments, but to silence them completely as ‘hateful’, ‘intolerant’, ‘bigoted’, ‘misogynistic’, ‘homophobic’, etc.";
• has a more feminine flavour, as opposed to the more masculine flavour of modern discourse;
• results in "stale monologues" and contexts that "seldom produce strong thought, but rather tend to become echo chambers."
Another characteristic i see in many pomo commentators, especially younger and more enthusiastic members of the crowd, is the tendency to what i describe as 'identity fluidity' where one changes ones sex/race/sexuality/faith to fit the situation. Diluting the ideas behind identity so as to make them virtually meaningless.
Setar exemplifies this with his desperate attempts at fitting in with the A+ crowd. His list of grievances would be hysterical were he not sincere.

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Post by Dick Strawkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:36 am

I guess there is only one tribute appropriate for brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Louis

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Post by Za-zen » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:36 am

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/hMYdIzK.jpg

What the fuck is up with Ophelia Benson?
I lived in Ireland for a while during the 'troubles' and the term "kneecapping" means something pretty specific - and seeing as the offer to do it to Ophelia's opponents came from someone in Scotland, I guess he meant the same sort of procedure.

To those that don't know, kneecapping generally involved the victim getting kidnapped and hauled away in the middle of the night to some dark alley or remote country lane, whereupon he was tied up and had a gun barrel pressed against his knee. The gun was fired one or more time through the knees with the intent of crippling the victim. On many occasions the damage was so great that amputation was required and in more than one occasion the victim died through blood loss.

When someone offers to carry out such a procedure on your political opponent the ethical thing to do is not to simply laugh it off and say you'd 'prefer' some other option - and suggest something unobtainable such as mass conversion to "decency".
The correct thing to do is IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES.
This guy is offering to SHOOT people on your behalf.

Don't joke around with such people.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmp3x ... o1_400.png
Yeah i've pointed this out too. As a scot, he is fully aware of what kneecapping is. As a point of interest the target of the kneecapping would often be given a time and location at which they were to appear for their "punishment". This may be hard to believe, but that was how crazy N.Ireland was. It's also the reason why N.Ireland had some of the most experienced knee surgeons in the world.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:42 am

Richard Dworkins wrote:Does anyone consider, that the dribbling coterie of virtual tourette sufferers at FtB may actually just be pseudonyms for the bloggers at FtB, that they are deliberately being hostile in comments in order that people attempt to defend themselves and therefore produce more hits.
I hadn't thought of that before, but it wouldn't surprise me at this point. As a bottom level commentor, they would be held less accountable for their crazy words and claims than if they used their better known blogging names.
At this point I genuinely wonder if a large majority of hits and comments are not coming from those here. Are you feeding what you hate rather than letting it starve? I'm not saying this is the case, but would it surprise anyone?
A lot of people are starting to use freezepage and screenshots, but they probably still get actual hits from here too. I don't know if it's enough to buy them more than a coffee, but maybe it's enough to remind them that people are watching as they embarrass themselves, and maybe enough for them to cly "stalker" (as opposed to links are simply how the internet works).

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Post by Apples » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:43 am

Ashley Miller over at FeebleThoughtBlogs has a nice singing voice and is pretty good at the ukelele. She has a new post with the provocative title, "What if Abortion is Murder?"

Hint: Even if life begins at conception, she doesn't think it's murder, mainly because of reasons.
Ashley wrote:self-defense and bodily autonomy exceptions to murder:

If someone comes into my house, I can shoot them in self-defense, even if I left my door open.
If someone tries to attack me, I can kill them in self-defense, even if I was wearing a short skirt.
If I hurt an innocent someone accidentally, I am not required to help them survive by giving them my blood.
I am not required to give blood every 8 weeks, I am not required to donate my organs when I die, I am not required to be on the bone marrow registry.
She's right -- it would be a scary world if every time you had sex without protection there was a decent chance someone would break into your house, tie you up, and take your kidneys.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way -- statistics!
Ashley wrote:We’re 50th in the world in maternal deaths – there are 49 countries where a woman is less likely to die from being pregnant. You are 14.5 times more likely to survive pregnancy in Greece than you are in the US — and that’s just overall, it’s a lot worse if you live in certain states.
Shocking, especially the Greece stat. So what's the US rate? Hmmm... it's not obvious which of her four linked references would have the info, and her handy dandy "Maternal Mortality Rate" map is unzoomable and is simply linked back to an embed on her wordpress site ...... so I guess I'll just go to the WHO website.

http://apps.who.int/gho/data/?vid=240

For 2010 in Greece, they estimate 4 deaths per 100,000 live births, or a survival rate of 99.996%.

Let's see. If you have 100% chance of surviving pregnancy in Greece ...... divide that by 14.5 ...... You only have a 7% chance of surviving a pregnancy in the US!!!1!!1! The patriarchy must be keeping this a secret.

Duh. Obviously, given that the US actually has a maternal survival rate of 99.979% (21 deaths per 100,000 live births), Ashley got her variables switched around. All for a good cause, of course. Phew! I thought we were all going to have to go to Athens to have our babies, tear-gas be damned.

Here's the thing -- if you want to make a strong argument in favor of abortion rights, try not to look like an idiot doing it. Pretty Please? With fetuses on top?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymille ... is-murder/
http://www.freezepage.com/1358883680LQISSUVZOV

ps - I am gratified to see that while I was writing this post commenter "Forbidden Snowflake" also spotted the error.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:46 am

[spoiler]
Scented Nectar wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:Does anyone consider, that the dribbling coterie of virtual tourette sufferers at FtB may actually just be pseudonyms for the bloggers at FtB, that they are deliberately being hostile in comments in order that people attempt to defend themselves and therefore produce more hits.
I hadn't thought of that before, but it wouldn't surprise me at this point. As a bottom level commentor, they would be held less accountable for their crazy words and claims than if they used their better known blogging names.
At this point I genuinely wonder if a large majority of hits and comments are not coming from those here. Are you feeding what you hate rather than letting it starve? I'm not saying this is the case, but would it surprise anyone?
A lot of people are starting to use freezepage and screenshots, but they probably still get actual hits from here too. I don't know if it's enough to buy them more than a coffee, but maybe it's enough to remind them that people are watching as they embarrass themselves, and maybe enough for them to cly "stalker" (as opposed to links are simply how the internet works).
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That should have been "for them to cry "stalker"" I don't know how that happened. The L is nowhere near the R.

Oh wait, I was going to type 'claim' but then changed it to 'cry'. Fucked that up a bit. :doh:

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Post by ERV » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:48 am

comslave wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote: [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/cWxDtY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9gsKuFF.jpg[/spoiler]

Plan ahead Vacula. Preemptively communicate with Melody's boss before you are painted as a total rage-filled woman hater.
If you want to push back against Slocum’s banhammer bandwagon, Ron's e-mail is rlindsay [at] centerforinquiry [dot] net.

I've already written him expressing my concerns, but a couple dozen more e-mails wouldn't hurt.


The way Melody keeps reminding everyone "there's a policy, there's a policy" to kick people from the conference really sounds like she's fishing for someone to file that complaint. And she only needs one.
Obviously. Shes done precisely that ("The speaker feels uncomfortable so you cant come").

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Post by Za-zen » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:52 am

For those who wish to understand what benson's buddy is putting on the table without one word of admonition for the chief victim of threats herself:

[youtube]n9zHvDMIPk8[/youtube]

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Post by Metalogic42 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:53 am

Mykeru wrote:
welch wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:Does anyone consider, that the dribbling coterie of virtual tourette sufferers at FtB may actually just be pseudonyms for the bloggers at FtB, that they are deliberately being hostile in comments in order that people attempt to defend themselves and therefore produce more hits.

At this point I genuinely wonder if a large majority of hits and comments are not coming from those here. Are you feeding what you hate rather than letting it starve? I'm not saying this is the case, but would it surprise anyone?
I comment there rarely, and only on sites where I'm not banned. SO that's...justin griffith, Aron Ra, and that avicienne dude. But I use my real name, and tend not to sit around hitting refresh.

I have never been banned from Freethought Blogs, Skepchick, or the Atheism Plus forum. That's because I have never posted a comment on any of them, have never registered an account and refuse to engage them within their echo chamber.

I get the impression that this really bothers them. Like everything else.

Given all we know about their banning, blocking, even editing posts to cast people in a poor light, to engage then on their turf seems futile at best and counterproductive because it gives the impression of their being more discussion and active users than there really is. Gee, registered yet another account to pester P.Z.? That'll show him. A little discussion and selective editing, not to mention site hits, before the ban-hammer falls. Boy, that'll get him by the balls.

On level fields such as comment sections outside of their control, then it's open season on the fuckers.
Agreed (well I was banned from skepchick, but I was young and naive then), except for one thing. If (for example) PZ ever tries to pin an actual criminal accusation to me, I'd set up something somewhere they don't control proving my innocence, wait until he goes to bed, then link to it *everywhere*. Dozens of accounts, flooding their social circles until even their most ardent supports can't deny that he's full of shit. Plus emails to webmasters, letters to bosses, etc. Cause I'll be damned if I let him turn me into the next upskirt guy, and I'll be damned if the police start knocking on my door.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:01 pm

Za-zen wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
What the fuck is up with Ophelia Benson?
I lived in Ireland for a while during the 'troubles' and the term "kneecapping" means something pretty specific - and seeing as the offer to do it to Ophelia's opponents came from someone in Scotland, I guess he meant the same sort of procedure.

To those that don't know, kneecapping generally involved the victim getting kidnapped and hauled away in the middle of the night to some dark alley or remote country lane, whereupon he was tied up and had a gun barrel pressed against his knee. The gun was fired one or more time through the knees with the intent of crippling the victim. On many occasions the damage was so great that amputation was required and in more than one occasion the victim died through blood loss.

When someone offers to carry out such a procedure on your political opponent the ethical thing to do is not to simply laugh it off and say you'd 'prefer' some other option - and suggest something unobtainable such as mass conversion to "decency".
The correct thing to do is IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THE AUTHORITIES.
This guy is offering to SHOOT people on your behalf.

Don't joke around with such people.

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Yeah i've pointed this out too. As a scot, he is fully aware of what kneecapping is. As a point of interest the target of the kneecapping would often be given a time and location at which they were to appear for their "punishment". This may be hard to believe, but that was how crazy N.Ireland was. It's also the reason why N.Ireland had some of the most experienced knee surgeons in the world.
They didn't always use a gun, I believe that originally the kneecap was dug out with a knife or chisel. But the knees could also be smashed with a hammer.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:04 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
They didn't always use a gun, I believe that originally the kneecap was dug out with a knife or chisel. But the knees could also be smashed with a hammer.
Or a power drill.

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Post by Mr Danksworth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:05 pm

another lurker wrote:For those who are interested,

Halfish is in trouble with Canadian feminists:

http://scathinglywrongrightwingnutz.blo ... mment-form

lulz

It's the fallout from s/h/it's blog.
http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/20 ... ia-mcadam/

The comment section is gold! Our indigenous people don't take kindly to whiteys misappropriating their beliefs. Having half-fish running around talking about 'turtle island' and sweat lodge inspired 'visons' is pissing some people off. She is yet another example of SJW collector culture. It makes me sick.

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:09 pm

xinit wrote:Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad that happens to everyone everywhere (thanks to our partnerships with the Elders of Zion and the Bilderbergs and our control of space, time, and internet), perhaps it's time that we put together an act of good will, and extended an olive branch to the FTB peoples by sending some support to Natalie Reed. She;

1) [feels] alienation from the Atheist Community
2) [lives in] fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community
3) [considers herself] still a target
4) [is] still homeless [and can't write much as a result]
5) [is] under a ton of stress
6) need to somehow save $2K for [her] surgery

Well, a lot of those reasons for leaving FTB aren't anything we can do anything about short of self defense training or a gift certificate to a place that sells armor that protects against Atheist Attacks in the street...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.


Surely the win would come from helping someone who really needed the help.

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Post by Richard Dworkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Mykeru wrote:
I have never been banned from Freethought Blogs, Skepchick, or the Atheism Plus forum. That's because I have never posted a comment on any of them, have never registered an account and refuse to engage them within their echo chamber.

I get the impression that this really bothers them. Like everything else.

Given all we know about their banning, blocking, even editing posts to cast people in a poor light, to engage then on their turf seems futile at best and counterproductive because it gives the impression of their being more discussion and active users than there really is. Gee, registered yet another account to pester P.Z.? That'll show him. A little discussion and selective editing, not to mention site hits, before the ban-hammer falls. Boy, that'll get him by the balls.

On level fields such as comment sections outside of their control, then it's open season on the fuckers.
Well I agree.

I've never commented either (though I spent a LOT of time on Skepchick for research purposes) Mykeru. And yes, I think it does bother them because it hits them where it hurts, the pocket. If the debate is about them outside their pillow forts, they don't have their little gang of noise making Absolutists to back them up. The problem is one cannot have a reasonable discusson with someone who is having an emotional one and so outside of their cell to reinforce them, they are revealed as impotent and pathetic cowards who actively have to seek out negative opinion and run back to the pillow forts to claim they are being oppressed.

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Post by BannedAid » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:12 pm

Dear Louis,

Your exit was a lot more graceful than your entrance, I'll give you that. Good way to avoid "Gotcha" responses: make better arguments that won't get got.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:16 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
They didn't always use a gun, I believe that originally the kneecap was dug out with a knife or chisel. But the knees could also be smashed with a hammer.
Or a power drill.
My dad was kneecapped with a Ford Cortina by Essex Police... but that was an accident.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:18 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
They didn't always use a gun, I believe that originally the kneecap was dug out with a knife or chisel. But the knees could also be smashed with a hammer.
Or a power drill.
My dad was kneecapped with a Ford Cortina by Essex Police... but that was an accident.
I've always thought that Ford showed great imagination in naming their cars after jazz mags: Fiesta, Escort. I was hoping one day to drive a Ford Readers' Wives Tits and Bums Special, but it never came to pass...

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Post by ReneeHendricks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:18 pm

xinit wrote:Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad that happens to everyone everywhere (thanks to our partnerships with the Elders of Zion and the Bilderbergs and our control of space, time, and internet), perhaps it's time that we put together an act of good will, and extended an olive branch to the FTB peoples by sending some support to Natalie Reed. She;

1) [feels] alienation from the Atheist Community
2) [lives in] fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community
3) [considers herself] still a target
4) [is] still homeless [and can't write much as a result]
5) [is] under a ton of stress
6) need to somehow save $2K for [her] surgery

Well, a lot of those reasons for leaving FTB aren't anything we can do anything about short of self defense training or a gift certificate to a place that sells armor that protects against Atheist Attacks in the street...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.


:D Yeah...I'm so *evil* and vile for raising money to help kids with cleft lips and palates. If there was such a place as hell, I'd totally be going there ;)

I'm on board for helping her out - we're tight on money at the moment so it'll have to be a few weeks. But I'd be willing to throw a few bucks her way. In a very controlled way, however. We wouldn't want another ShoeGate ;)

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Post by welch » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:19 pm

ERV wrote:
comslave wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote: [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/cWxDtY7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9gsKuFF.jpg[/spoiler]

Plan ahead Vacula. Preemptively communicate with Melody's boss before you are painted as a total rage-filled woman hater.
If you want to push back against Slocum’s banhammer bandwagon, Ron's e-mail is rlindsay [at] centerforinquiry [dot] net.

I've already written him expressing my concerns, but a couple dozen more e-mails wouldn't hurt.


The way Melody keeps reminding everyone "there's a policy, there's a policy" to kick people from the conference really sounds like she's fishing for someone to file that complaint. And she only needs one.
Obviously. Shes done precisely that ("The speaker feels uncomfortable so you cant come").
Odds on them keeping his fee when they do this?

Odds on them waiting for him to register, so they can have lots of cameras ready to catch the moment?

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Post by jimthepleb » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:19 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
They didn't always use a gun, I believe that originally the kneecap was dug out with a knife or chisel. But the knees could also be smashed with a hammer.
Or a power drill.
My dad was kneecapped with a Ford Cortina by Essex Police... but that was an accident.
at least that's what they said...

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:20 pm

ReneeHendricks wrote: :D Yeah...I'm so *evil* and vile for raising money to help kids with cleft lips and palates. If there was such a place as hell, I'd totally be going there ;)

I'm on board for helping her out - we're tight on money at the moment so it'll have to be a few weeks. But I'd be willing to throw a few bucks her way. In a very controlled way, however. We wouldn't want another ShoeGate ;)
I'd be in for sending her some non-footwear related bucks too...

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Post by lost control » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:22 pm

Eucliwood wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:I'm confused... is this seriously an orgy sponsored by some chick's bewbs? Can someone post dick pictures then?
(Insert pictures of Richards Dawkins and Carrier here)
I would prefer pictures of your or other men's penises. If you don't have a penis, then never mind. Keep your vagina to yourself.
Look around on the internet, there's plenty of that to go around. If you so wish.

Or are you interested in penises of specific people? Who might not be interested in flaunting theirs that much in the public? Well, then, maybe on IRC?

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Post by Richard Dworkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:23 pm

Scented Nectar wrote: A lot of people are starting to use freezepage and screenshots, but they probably still get actual hits from here too. I don't know if it's enough to buy them more than a coffee, but maybe it's enough to remind them that people are watching as they embarrass themselves, and maybe enough for them to cly "stalker" (as opposed to links are simply how the internet works).
Well that's just it Scented Nectar. They keep crying "leave us alone", I am suggesting people do exactly that. Don't go over, don't comment, starve them of the oxygen of attention and the $$ for hits. Impoverish them, because despite their faux-liberal/leftist stance, they are all good little capitalists and as we are witnessing on Atheism Plus, starved of others to lash out at, they will eat their own. Which would be marvelous to watch.

I do understand though for attentiveness in capturing their pernicious bullshit before it is doctored or erased, but outside that I do feel some people (no one in particular btw just in case anyone is offended) are dancing to their tune.

Yes, cry. Funny how not having an edit button makes tiny mistakes more obvious. I like it.

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Post by Oneiros666 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:24 pm

rocko2466 wrote:This is my last for a week. Spent more time on this than the last one.
Took a little more poetic licence. Might not be as true to the source material.

[youtube]K8ll6poCsjA[/youtube]
Fantastic reading, Rocko!

Noticed a funny comment right after Tony:
Kate Waters on FfTB wrote:Your either with us or against us.
(Notice her excellent use of grammar, i.e. 'your', hehe.)

I thought these people didn't care for George W. Bush?

Also, PZ (who obviously doesn't have anything better to do than comment on his own blog. I mean, it's not like he has a book to write or a class to teach or anything) naturally jumps in on the bandwagon:
PZ McPottymouth wrote:Abear: with that “hit a nerve” comment, you actually hit a predictable low. Fuck off.
Seriously, isn't this guy in his fifties? Why does he write and comment as if he's 15? Oh..that's right. Syphilis is a hell of a disease.

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Post by lost control » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:25 pm

Eucliwood wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:
AbsurdWalls wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:I'm confused... is this seriously an orgy sponsored by some chick's bewbs? Can someone post dick pictures then?
(Insert pictures of Richards Dawkins and Carrier here)
I would prefer pictures of your or other men's penises. If you don't have a penis, then never mind. Keep your vagina to yourself.
Is this the right time to say I'm 12?

AMBER ALERT!
I'm a minor too. Hand over the pictures, babe.
And now, I ask again, seriously how old are you, Eucliwood? Not always, but at times you come off as a teenager.

(Damn, I might be way off, but seriously, whenever Eucliwood posts a certain way, I wonder if I'm back in school.)

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:29 pm

Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.

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Post by ReneeHendricks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:34 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
This one?
@Nikephorius @OpheliaBenson You sure kneecapping is best? Not acid in the face? Do you have a prefrence Ophelia? #ftbullies
Because it clearly indicates that Nikephorius said something about kneecapping. In true fashion with many who say shit then realize *way* after the fact that perhaps they said something stupid, Nikephorious deleted his original tweet. However, it's been brought to dipshit OB's attention that the tweet was screencapped. She's just too fucking lazy to read it. So, no. Not in anyway could Vicky's tweet be construed as a threat. At least not by anyone who is just mildly adept at the 'net.

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Post by Mr Danksworth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:35 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.

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Post by xinit » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:36 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
xinit wrote:Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad ...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.
Surely the win would come from helping someone who really needed the help.
There is that. I'm not sure that she'd accept help from our sort, possibly out of fear of how we'd hand over her real name, etc to the slymiest among us.

I need to consider the logistics, but I think if there's someone at FTB who could legitimately use a bit of help that won't involve fancy shoes, it's her.

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Post by Za-zen » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:37 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.

I disagree, benson had replied to the offer, so it's hard to believe she didn't know what Vicky was referencing. Apart from that i'm waiting for a benson bullshit blog about how she's an harassment victim because of someone else's kneecap tweet.

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Post by Altair » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:38 pm

Ophelia has a new postabout how
The aggregated effect of floods of negative comments online can be enough to put opinionated women off appearing in public.
It includes a swipe at Shermer:
And thus we get a feeback loop. Opinionated women get floods of cunting and bitching and why the fuck are you so uglying, so they’re put off appearing in public, so dudebros look around and don’t see many opinionated women mouthing off and they conclude that opinionated mouthing off is more of a guy thing
It also contains a link to and several quotes from a woman's blog where she talks about online attacks and insults she got.

That got me thinking about these dudebros who are so negative and offensive towards women, who are just trying to harass and shut up opinionated women online. My search yielded the following results:
(Woman1) is a scumbag piece of shit, who diminishes the struggles of others
(Woman2) and (Woman3) can both go fuck themselves.
Fuck (Woman3) for the tone trolling. This is fucking rude blog. No slurs or sexist shit was said about (Woman2) but her crappy fucking argument and dismal was torn to shreds. Rudely with lots of insults and cussing because FUCK (Woman2) for dismissing this issue
(Woman4) behaves like a f*****g a*****e
(the *'s are in the original)

So I'm also very tired of these dudebros who are trying to silence women but attacking and using nasty and offensive slurs to shut them up.
I'm so angry I'm going to break confidentiality and tell you right here who these women are and link to the dudebros who are saying this things about them.

Woman1 = Renee Hendricks
Woman2 = Sara Mayhew
Woman3 = Kylie Sturgess
Woman4 = Abbie Smith

And here are the links to the sites where you can find these slurs

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -each-one/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... e-coverup/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... eep-rifts/

I'm so tired of these misogynistic dudebros who just want to shut up opinionated women. :snooty:

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Post by Dick Strawkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:39 pm

ReneeHendricks wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
This one?
@Nikephorius @OpheliaBenson You sure kneecapping is best? Not acid in the face? Do you have a prefrence Ophelia? #ftbullies
Because it clearly indicates that Nikephorius said something about kneecapping. In true fashion with many who say shit then realize *way* after the fact that perhaps they said something stupid, Nikephorious deleted his original tweet. However, it's been brought to dipshit OB's attention that the tweet was screencapped. She's just too fucking lazy to read it. So, no. Not in anyway could Vicky's tweet be construed as a threat. At least not by anyone who is just mildly adept at the 'net.
She REPLIED to the original tweet by nikephorius (offering to kneecap her opponents) so she cannot say she hadn't read it.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:41 pm

ReneeHendricks wrote:
xinit wrote:Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad that happens to everyone everywhere (thanks to our partnerships with the Elders of Zion and the Bilderbergs and our control of space, time, and internet), perhaps it's time that we put together an act of good will, and extended an olive branch to the FTB peoples by sending some support to Natalie Reed. She;

1) [feels] alienation from the Atheist Community
2) [lives in] fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community
3) [considers herself] still a target
4) [is] still homeless [and can't write much as a result]
5) [is] under a ton of stress
6) need to somehow save $2K for [her] surgery

Well, a lot of those reasons for leaving FTB aren't anything we can do anything about short of self defense training or a gift certificate to a place that sells armor that protects against Atheist Attacks in the street...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.


:D Yeah...I'm so *evil* and vile for raising money to help kids with cleft lips and palates. If there was such a place as hell, I'd totally be going there ;)

I'm on board for helping her out - we're tight on money at the moment so it'll have to be a few weeks. But I'd be willing to throw a few bucks her way. In a very controlled way, however. We wouldn't want another ShoeGate ;)


If this is in Vancouver, do you think it's worth a head's up to John the Other?

Oh, one other evil thing about the MRM: Far more tolerant of trans people than rad fems. Only a real bunch of scumbags could have provisions for "womyn born womyn" only.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:45 pm

Mr Danksworth wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.
What you might not know about twitter is that there is a little button that says 'view conversation' which instantly puts the tweet in it's context. And just incase it gets lost in the shuffle, it all got screen capped. So I can always put it back in context.

Do you really think Benson didn't click that button to see the context of this juicy 'death threat'?

The only one being naive was Benson in thinking she could get away with that.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:47 pm

Altair wrote:Ophelia has a new postabout how
The aggregated effect of floods of negative comments online can be enough to put opinionated women off appearing in public.
I like strong women. I like opinionated women.

What I really dislike, though, is women (or men, for that matter) who want to be "opinionated" and then whine in the fetal position in a corner should they be exposed to other people's opinion.

Solution: Get stronger women who aren't raging hypocrites.

For some strange reason (considering us dudebros) we have a lot of those give and take strong women around here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VMSUn2TMfXo/R ... vable2.jpg

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Post by Oneiros666 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:52 pm

Bwaaahahaha!

Oh man. FfTB is an endless source of circus and entertainment. It's similar to the TV show 'Cops'. Like Bill Hicks (RIP) said: 'It's like a sore tooth. You just can't keep from touching it.'

This little golden nugget is, so far, the funniest I've read:
Squiller, a rare rational person writing in the comment section of FfTB wrote: Here’s a tip, you might not get so many ‘trolls’ if you spent less time spitting slanderous vitriol at people and paid a little more attention to fact and a bit less to your imagination. But then you don’t strike me as someone who gives a shit about facts that don’t serve your agenda.
Squiller was immediately answered by Setar's dumber twin (or just Setar, who the hell knows anymore):
Tony aka Setar wrote:You are a pathetic little fucktroll.
slanderous vitriol?Give one fucking example.
The irony...it's just so bright, so...brilliant.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:53 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.
What you might not know about twitter is that there is a little button that says 'view conversation' which instantly puts the tweet in it's context. And just incase it gets lost in the shuffle, it all got screen capped. So I can always put it back in context.

Do you really think Benson didn't click that button to see the context of this juicy 'death threat'?

The only one being naive was Benson in thinking she could get away with that.
I agree with Vicky here.

Look, if we are going to have to parse every fucking tweet to make sure it can't be isolated and taken out of context by Ophelia "Fuck Off" Benson, we might as well shut the fuck up.

The solution is not to make every utterance bulletproof (oops, there we go), but to consistently point out and draw attention to the fact that Ophelia Benson, and others, are completely without intellectual integrity and use this "I'm under threat" tactic as cheap monopoly money because she can't get a fucking line of credit off her reasoned arguments.

You can try to deny her ammunition on a piecemeal and ad hoc hindsight basis, or you can get together a strategy of denying her this cheap sophist weapon.

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Post by jimthepleb » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:54 pm

Altair wrote:Ophelia has a new postabout how
The aggregated effect of floods of negative comments online can be enough to put opinionated women off appearing in public.
[spoiler]It includes a swipe at Shermer:
And thus we get a feeback loop. Opinionated women get floods of cunting and bitching and why the fuck are you so uglying, so they’re put off appearing in public, so dudebros look around and don’t see many opinionated women mouthing off and they conclude that opinionated mouthing off is more of a guy thing
It also contains a link to and several quotes from a woman's blog where she talks about online attacks and insults she got.

That got me thinking about these dudebros who are so negative and offensive towards women, who are just trying to harass and shut up opinionated women online. My search yielded the following results:
(Woman1) is a scumbag piece of shit, who diminishes the struggles of others
(Woman2) and (Woman3) can both go fuck themselves.
Fuck (Woman3) for the tone trolling. This is fucking rude blog. No slurs or sexist shit was said about (Woman2) but her crappy fucking argument and dismal was torn to shreds. Rudely with lots of insults and cussing because FUCK (Woman2) for dismissing this issue
(Woman4) behaves like a f*****g a*****e
(the *'s are in the original)

So I'm also very tired of these dudebros who are trying to silence women but attacking and using nasty and offensive slurs to shut them up.
I'm so angry I'm going to break confidentiality and tell you right here who these women are and link to the dudebros who are saying this things about them.

Woman1 = Renee Hendricks
Woman2 = Sara Mayhew
Woman3 = Kylie Sturgess
Woman4 = Abbie Smith

And here are the links to the sites where you can find these slurs

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -each-one/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... e-coverup/
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... eep-rifts/

I'm so tired of these misogynistic dudebros who just want to shut up opinionated women. :snooty:[/spoiler]
Brilliant altair. I just wished louis had seen that.

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Post by ReneeHendricks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:54 pm

Mykeru wrote:[spoiler]
ReneeHendricks wrote:
xinit wrote:Since the Slymepit is responsible for everything bad that happens to everyone everywhere (thanks to our partnerships with the Elders of Zion and the Bilderbergs and our control of space, time, and internet), perhaps it's time that we put together an act of good will, and extended an olive branch to the FTB peoples by sending some support to Natalie Reed. She;

1) [feels] alienation from the Atheist Community
2) [lives in] fear about the increasingly hostile attacks on women within that community
3) [considers herself] still a target
4) [is] still homeless [and can't write much as a result]
5) [is] under a ton of stress
6) need to somehow save $2K for [her] surgery

Well, a lot of those reasons for leaving FTB aren't anything we can do anything about short of self defense training or a gift certificate to a place that sells armor that protects against Atheist Attacks in the street...

Maybe we should put together a fund-raiser...

She's out in Vancouver... aren't there a couple other FTB bloggers out there who could help her out with lodging? It would be fun to see Josh The Spokesgay's head explode if we raised money for Natalie... though, I suppose we'd be lumped in with that horrible asshole Renee and her spiteful fund raising.

No win situation.


:D Yeah...I'm so *evil* and vile for raising money to help kids with cleft lips and palates. If there was such a place as hell, I'd totally be going there ;)

I'm on board for helping her out - we're tight on money at the moment so it'll have to be a few weeks. But I'd be willing to throw a few bucks her way. In a very controlled way, however. We wouldn't want another ShoeGate ;)
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If this is in Vancouver, do you think it's worth a head's up to John the Other?

Oh, one other evil thing about the MRM: Far more tolerant of trans people than rad fems. Only a real bunch of scumbags could have provisions for "womyn born womyn" only.


I talk to John the Other on Skype occasionally. I'll alert him to this convo later.

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Post by Mr Danksworth » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:57 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.
What you might not know about twitter is that there is a little button that says 'view conversation' which instantly puts the tweet in it's context. And just incase it gets lost in the shuffle, it all got screen capped. So I can always put it back in context.

Do you really think Benson didn't click that button to see the context of this juicy 'death threat'?

The only one being naive was Benson in thinking she could get away with that.
We can see the context, her readers and fans cannot or do not. Humour, sarcasm and word play are not their strong suits. You just gave her more ammo for her persecution machine, regardless of your intent. I did have a good laugh at the tweet though.

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Post by Michael J » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:59 pm

Thinking about the future, I think that there is a population of people out there who are sick of FTB/Skepchick but probably think that the slymepit is a little obsessive. I can't imagine Shermer posting here but we know that he thinks that FTB are poisoning the movement.
I'm curious about the size of this group of people?
Could group actually outnumber for FTB/Skepchick supporters? You do hear about people leaving the movement because they think it has been taken over by the radfem crowd. Now I like that Tee-shirt worn at TAM about "I feel safe at TAM". We could have a logo like "Lets put the skepticism back into Atheism". This could go on people's blogs or their sig lines or worn at conferences. It's like a safe space for skeptics where you know the conversation is going to be about fun stuff like fake haunted houses and creationists and not how to refer to trans-gendered males who are also Lesbians. Most importantly you wont get banned just for asking about evidence.

Again I think it would be important to note that it isn't about supporting the slymepit it is about getting FTB out of the movement

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Post by Aurelian » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:01 pm

I've been wondering what an actual definition for the FTB/Skepchick/A+ triumvirate's favourite hobby horse, privilege, would actually be, beyond that of being a white, straight, cisgendered man.
A suggestion from me to start: a person of privilege is someone who, not having the necessary intelligence or work ethic, is able to exercise influence through being born into a certain position (monarchy, aristocracy), through the use of wealth, or both. Examples would include the British royal family, or the Bush and Clinton families in America. Thoughts? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I also find the differing definitions of violence used by the triumvirate interesting. Criticisms of their opinions, goals and tactics is apparently cause for great alarm, and for supposed leaders to avoid conferences and commence campaigns of witch hunting and shunning against the blasphemers. On the other side, someone openly and blatantly offers to commit an act of violence against the heretics, one such leader, Ophelia Benson, who was apparently emotionally ruined by her critics, barely blinks an eye. A better example of doublethink I could not imagine.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:06 pm

Mr Danksworth wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.
What you might not know about twitter is that there is a little button that says 'view conversation' which instantly puts the tweet in it's context. And just incase it gets lost in the shuffle, it all got screen capped. So I can always put it back in context.

Do you really think Benson didn't click that button to see the context of this juicy 'death threat'?

The only one being naive was Benson in thinking she could get away with that.
We can see the context, her readers and fans cannot or do not. Humour, sarcasm and word play are not their strong suits. You just gave her more ammo for her persecution machine, regardless of your intent. I did have a good laugh at the tweet though.
I have to state that this was not actually my intention. I never meant to make it sound like a threat when taken out of context.

However... whoopee! Fucking let her quote mine me, cherry pick, take out of context. Let her fool her followers. As they say, you can't fool all of the people all of the time. But rational, sceptical people will not be fooled by this.

Her baboons will use this, or something like this in the future as ammunition, and they will find out that it is a dud.

They build their empire out of lies. Let them.

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Post by Za-zen » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:12 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Vicky, that tweet to Benson was a little naive. Out of context, it looks like direct threat.
Agreed. It was pretty fucking stupid, IMO.
What you might not know about twitter is that there is a little button that says 'view conversation' which instantly puts the tweet in it's context. And just incase it gets lost in the shuffle, it all got screen capped. So I can always put it back in context.

Do you really think Benson didn't click that button to see the context of this juicy 'death threat'?

The only one being naive was Benson in thinking she could get away with that.
We can see the context, her readers and fans cannot or do not. Humour, sarcasm and word play are not their strong suits. You just gave her more ammo for her persecution machine, regardless of your intent. I did have a good laugh at the tweet though.
I have to state that this was not actually my intention. I never meant to make it sound like a threat when taken out of context.

However... whoopee! Fucking let her quote mine me, cherry pick, take out of context. Let her fool her followers. As they say, you can't fool all of the people all of the time. But rational, sceptical people will not be fooled by this.

Her baboons will use this, or something like this in the future as ammunition, and they will find out that it is a dud.

They build their empire out of lies. Let them.
Spot fucking on.

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Post by Altair » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:12 pm

Aurelian wrote:I've been wondering what an actual definition for the FTB/Skepchick/A+ triumvirate's favourite hobby horse, privilege, would actually be, beyond that of being a white, straight, cisgendered man.
A suggestion from me to start: a person of privilege is someone who, not having the necessary intelligence or work ethic, is able to exercise influence through being born into a certain position (monarchy, aristocracy), through the use of wealth, or both. Examples would include the British royal family, or the Bush and Clinton families in America. Thoughts? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?
I think that definition is too restrictive. I would say privilege is something that a person has or can do that was not earned by themselves. In itself is not negative, and it's something everyone has in different degrees. For example, I had the privilege of going to college because I was born in a family who could afford it.

The problem with the triumvirate is that they use privilege to shut people up, imply that everything a cis white man has is product of their privilege, and deny that they also have privileges.

To continue the example, my having an education was a privilege, but my having a degree or a good job is not because those are the product of hard work.

And everyone has privileges, even (gasp) women :lol:

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Post by Dick Strawkins » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:14 pm

Michael J wrote:Thinking about the future, I think that there is a population of people out there who are sick of FTB/Skepchick but probably think that the slymepit is a little obsessive. I can't imagine Shermer posting here but we know that he thinks that FTB are poisoning the movement.
I'm curious about the size of this group of people?
Could group actually outnumber for FTB/Skepchick supporters? You do hear about people leaving the movement because they think it has been taken over by the radfem crowd. Now I like that Tee-shirt worn at TAM about "I feel safe at TAM". We could have a logo like "Lets put the skepticism back into Atheism". This could go on people's blogs or their sig lines or worn at conferences. It's like a safe space for skeptics where you know the conversation is going to be about fun stuff like fake haunted houses and creationists and not how to refer to trans-gendered males who are also Lesbians. Most importantly you wont get banned just for asking about evidence.

Again I think it would be important to note that it isn't about supporting the slymepit it is about getting FTB out of the movement
I'd say that both groups, us and the FTB/skepchick bunch, are a small minority of skeptics/atheists.
The only 'movement' that FTB are interested in is the US conference scene.
Can we get them out of it?
I don't think it is possible to completely remove them. They firmly control a significant part of it (skepchickcon, skepticon, cfi conferences etc.)
Other conferences like TAM are currently out of their hands and so are more resistant to their stranglehold.

I am not sure that fighting for control of the conferences they have is the best option.
I suggest going down the atheismplus route, namely to give them complete control but make sure they have to placate their own social justice warriors demands.
Can you imagine a conference run by the mods of atheismplus?
Can you imagine the sort of anti-harrassment policy that would be required to placate them?
Well that's the sort of thing we should advocate for all FTB run conferences.
Give them their goose that lays the golden egg - and make sure it's well and truly gutted.

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Post by surreptitious57 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:21 pm

Richard Dworkins wrote:
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You cannot be both servile and a restricted user. But on a general level I no longer do anger, so that probably has a lot to do with it now. Ten to twenty years ago, I would have been one of you but I am not interested in it any more. At my age I prefer thinking to shouting. Banging your head against a wall does not make the wall fall down - it just gives you a sore head - and sooner or later, you learn to stop doing it
First of all let me apologise. The last post I made to you once I read it along with your post sounded obnoxious. I am glad you did not take offence, it was not meant to be offensive

Secondly, your age has little to do with it - it assumes that I and others here are younger than you and is the kind of ageism that others would take you to task for. You can be servile and a restricted user, indentured servants and slaves are restricted users, surreptitious, they are people who are treated as second class citizens. You were excluded because they saw you as not worthy as being treated as an equal they used their privilege to punish you, to restrict you. If you wish to capitulate to such crass openly biased hypocrisy from such restrictive authoritarians so be it - you thank them for that ? You thank them for silencing you and treating you like a second class citizen, when you are, as you have made clear on several fora, someone who considers themselves an ally

When even those who vocally supported such are turning away, when they have ousted allies, made obnoxious unreasonable demands on those who wish to help, demeaned actual victims of abuse and turned on each other viciously over the most trivial of language why do you think we should all take your attitude
When I referenced my age, I was only doing so in relation to myself and myself only. I was not suggesting or implying anything about younger members now. So the charge of ageism is one I deny. But on to the serious point about Atheism Plus punishing me. I have other fora I can go on where I can say whatever I like about them so the notion of censorship is stretching it rather far now. I am just an ordinary joe at the end of the day. I engage with others and if they do not like what I have to say, that is fine by me. I am not here to change the world now. I am here to learn and better myself by learning more from those more educated than myself. I am not into taking sides or any of that nonsense. No one has a monopoly on wisdom so I engage with everyone and anyone as much as possible. If in that process, some ignore or reject me, then fair enough. I do not take offence. I just move on. That is my modus operandi. What you do has nothing to do with me, so the suggestion that I want you to think like me is absolute nonsense. I do not want you to think like me at all and I am sure you do not either. And on the subject of offence: I do not take it so you can be as rude as you like. It matters not one jot to me. I have no authority to restrict your language, and neither would I want to, even if I did

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Post by Aurelian » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:24 pm

Altair wrote: I think that definition is too restrictive. I would say privilege is something that a person has or can do that was not earned by themselves. In itself is not negative, and it's something everyone has in different degrees.
Both a better definition, and a fair criticism. I also find it amusing that the likes of the FTBers accuse us of bigotry, yet they frequently attack their critics for who and what they are. What else is this other than intolerance and bigotry?

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