The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Jan Steen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:56 pm  •  [Post 5006]

welch wrote:[spoiler]
HoneyWagon wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake.
Can someone tell this idiot he has just given Ophelia a gift?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358558531QFFXDFGXVU

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To any FTBers, you know this guy is not serious, but for the record, I think he was a stupid asshole for even writing it.
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And people wonder why I recommend not dealing directly with them. Tell me that twonk isn't in the 'pit.


I agree that it is counterproductive to deal with them on their own blogs and to engage with them directly by sending twitter messages. I will never do so. It only enables them to play the victim and to blame the actions of stupid trolls like this Conlon person on us. They have taken the persecution gambit straight from the Christian playbook. Ophelia, who started this mess by making the horrible suggestion that people who ridicule her might be capable of throwing acid in her face, is going to milk this to the last drop. PZ en Zvan will follow suit, maybe Lousy Canuck and Brayton too. It's what they do. It's an FTB thing. Create drama and then profit from it.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Mykeru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:57 pm  •  [Post 5007]

Altair wrote:
I say we buy him one of these:

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That way he can tell every woman he meets "Please don't take this the wrong way, I find you very interesting. Can you repeat what you just said, a bit closer to my penis?"


Do we really need video of P.Z. Meyer's bobbing forehead?

/Just sayin'

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby DownThunder » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:57 pm  •  [Post 5008]

welch wrote:Yes. Circumcision tarp urns men into sociopaths. Why, if he'd not been cut, Ted buddy would have been a fucking saint.

Funk me, this is EXACTLY like talking to the NRA or La Leche.


Your hyperbole is betraying a weak position. Do you have a moral or ethical problem with the mandatory violation of the bodily autonomy of each and every male that is born in a society? Yes or no?

Don't reply back with more hyperbole. If you think my question isnt a fair representation of what is being suggested, you better be damn specific about what words you don't like.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby rocko2466 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:59 pm  •  [Post 5009]

HoneyWagon wrote:[spoiler]
HoneyWagon wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake.
Can someone tell this idiot he has just given Ophelia a gift?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358558531QFFXDFGXVU
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To any FTBers, you know this guy is not serious, but for the record, I think he was a stupid asshole for even writing it.




@JerryConlon seems to be no longer on twitter.


FUCKING Jerry. This is exactly what Ophie was after. The article was a dare for someone to joke about it so she can continue her professional victimhood career.

Fucking idiot.

Fucking crazy bitch.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby decius » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:02 pm  •  [Post 5010]

Jan Steen wrote:I agree that it is counterproductive to deal with them on their own blogs and to engage with them directly by sending twitter messages. I will never do so. It only enables them to play the victim and to blame the actions of stupid trolls like this Conlon person on us. They have taken the persecution gambit straight from the Christian playbook. Ophelia, who started this mess by making the horrible suggestion that people who ridicule her might be capable of throwing acid in her face, is going to milk this to the last drop. PZ en Zvan will follow suit, maybe Lousy Canuck and Brayton too. It's what they do. It's an FTB thing. Create drama and then profit from it.


I disagree about Twitter, Jan. They have no control over it other than isolating themselves from the cacophony of protest and mockery, which is getting louder by the day.
If utilised wisely, it can help to restore the Pit's image because people can see what individual members are up too, without having to make the effort to visit here.

Some of our stuff gets retweeted ad nauseam and it's pretty cool to watch the babboons squirm.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Pitchguest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:03 pm  •  [Post 5011]

Fucking hell, Jerry. Where the hell's your head at? Shit. Back to the drawing board.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby 16bitheretic » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:03 pm  •  [Post 5012]

Jan Steen wrote:Is the mafia offering protection to Ophelia?

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The paranoia of these people is ludicrous. Threaten back? Who is threatening her, FFS? Get real, you moron.


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Cunning Punt » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 pm  •  [Post 5013]

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Za-zen wrote:Guess that make me Obi Wan, since i'm zen. And claimed it first.


I think I'm fucking JarJar.


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby AbsurdWalls » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:08 pm  •  [Post 5014]

Pitchguest wrote:Fucking hell, Jerry. Where the hell's your head at? Shit. Back to the drawing board.


He's not active here from what I can see, but he does have a YouTube channel showing activity going back a while.

From that... it looks like a real person (i.e. not a sock), it looks like he was into the sort of stuff that's popular on the 'pit, and it looks like deleting his Twitter account is not going to stop him getting the backlash from this.

What a tool.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Jan Steen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:09 pm  •  [Post 5015]

decius wrote:[spoiler]
Jan Steen wrote:I agree that it is counterproductive to deal with them on their own blogs and to engage with them directly by sending twitter messages. I will never do so. It only enables them to play the victim and to blame the actions of stupid trolls like this Conlon person on us. They have taken the persecution gambit straight from the Christian playbook. Ophelia, who started this mess by making the horrible suggestion that people who ridicule her might be capable of throwing acid in her face, is going to milk this to the last drop. PZ en Zvan will follow suit, maybe Lousy Canuck and Brayton too. It's what they do. It's an FTB thing. Create drama and then profit from it.
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I disagree about Twitter, Jan. They have no control over it other than isolating themselves from the cacophony of protest and mockery, which is getting louder by the day.
If utilised wisely, it can help to restore the Pit's image because people can see what individual members are up too, without having to make the effort to visit here.

Some of our stuff gets retweeted ad nauseam and it's pretty cool to watch the babboons squirm.


I only meant avoid sending twitter messages to them directly. They can too easily twist that into harrassment.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Jan Steen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:10 pm  •  [Post 5016]

16bitheretic wrote:[spoiler]
Jan Steen wrote:Is the mafia offering protection to Ophelia?

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http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-423314

The paranoia of these people is ludicrous. Threaten back? Who is threatening her, FFS? Get real, you moron.


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:12 pm  •  [Post 5017]

Mykeru wrote:
Altair wrote:
I say we buy him one of these:

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That way he can tell every woman he meets "Please don't take this the wrong way, I find you very interesting. Can you repeat what you just said, a bit closer to my penis?"


Do we really need video of P.Z. Meyer's bobbing forehead?

/Just sayin'

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Fuck the high road[/spoiler]


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby decius » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:12 pm  •  [Post 5018]

Jan Steen wrote:
I only meant avoid sending twitter messages to them directly. They can too easily twist that into harrassment.


They block us anyway, but they cannot avoid reading messages sent to #ftbullies or #atheismplus, if they frequent the hashtags.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby DownThunder » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:14 pm  •  [Post 5019]

Eucliwood wrote:Well, humans aren't puppies, but I get the point. Are you talking about boys being abuse victims themselves with no one to care, or them simply noting that if they were abused, people may not care?


Any person's experiences will shape their behaviour towards others. In regards to males specifically, there are problems with general societies attitude towards isolated male suffering, eg the abuse of a boy by parents or caretakers, physical or sexual abuse, spouse abuse, rape etc. There are also society wide institutional problems, such as incarceration of males for trivial things like weed etc.

When a common theme or response to your suffering is indifference, or worse, ridicule and dismissal, it is not a stretch to see on a large sample of people that will result in anti social behaviour in a portion of them.

The problem with tuff nutz like welch is that he takes his personal triumph of shrugging off things and regards that as good social policy. By all means preach it, but realise that not going to work for each and every person, and other people have to pick up the mess when things go very badly.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ReneeHendricks » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 pm  •  [Post 5020]

I saw Jerry Conlon's tweet a bit after the fact. Oddly enough, it was only due to having Dawn Gordon the freaky stalker sending shit to other people within my timeline. At any rate, his tweet was really not called for *and* he tried to be "funny" by saying he was talking about "alpha hydroxy". Whatever. Fucking idiot.

So, yeah. Now Ophie has hit the jackpot in as far as professional victim points thanks to that dumbass tweet.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby AbsurdWalls » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:21 pm  •  [Post 5021]

decius wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:
I only meant avoid sending twitter messages to them directly. They can too easily twist that into harrassment.


They block us anyway, but they cannot avoid reading messages sent to #ftbullies or #atheismplus, if they frequent the hashtags.


OB was tweeting at Sara Mayhew despite having blocked her, to try to tie in Mayhew's problem with being sister-punished with Conlon's acid tweet.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Skep tickle » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:22 pm  •  [Post 5022]

Conference harassment policies have just been updated, based on Ophelia's keen reporting of breaking threats in the atheist/skeptic community.

Not only is sexualized clothing forbidden, standard garb has been selected which will greatly improve everyone's experience, by helping to:
  • prevent harassment based on physical appearance including skin color, gender presentation, etc
  • prevent harassment-by-offensive-T-shirt-message
  • reduce chance of successful upskirt photographs
  • soak up tears from seeing fake jewelry
  • reduce exposure of skin to direct contact with flung acid, whether directed at the attendee or collateral splash from standing next to a Big Name Speaker such as Ophelia Benson

Here's a shot of a couple people checking in at the registration desk for this weekend's SJWs United Conference:
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As you can see, they are ready for a safe, respectful, non-harassing and non-harassed rollicking, good time at SUC this year!
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby welch » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm  •  [Post 5023]

DownThunder wrote:
welch wrote:Yes. Circumcision tarp urns men into sociopaths. Why, if he'd not been cut, Ted buddy would have been a fucking saint.

Funk me, this is EXACTLY like talking to the NRA or La Leche.


Your hyperbole is betraying a weak position. Do you have a moral or ethical problem with the mandatory violation of the bodily autonomy of each and every male that is born in a society? Yes or no?

Don't reply back with more hyperbole. If you think my question isnt a fair representation of what is being suggested, you better be damn specific about what words you don't like.


Circumcision, at least in the U.S. hasn't been "mandatory" in any sense of that word in decades, if ever. So the position you demand I respond to is bullshit. Which is the same kind of shit you get from the NRA and La Leche. Good job
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 pm  •  [Post 5024]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Thank you so much and whatever you can do will be most appreciated! Even just getting the word out is more than enough.

Oooh Renee Artois: It would be a big help for your noble cause if your sig-line had a hot-link direct to your charity so that I didn't have to search for it every time.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Jan Steen » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 pm  •  [Post 5025]

decius wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:
I only meant avoid sending twitter messages to them directly. They can too easily twist that into harrassment.


They block us anyway, but they cannot avoid reading messages sent to #ftbullies or #atheismplus, if they frequent the hashtags.


But then they're the ones who deliberately seek out stuff they can feel insulted about. That's different.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby welch » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:29 pm  •  [Post 5026]

DownThunder wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Well, humans aren't puppies, but I get the point. Are you talking about boys being abuse victims themselves with no one to care, or them simply noting that if they were abused, people may not care?


Any person's experiences will shape their behaviour towards others. In regards to males specifically, there are problems with general societies attitude towards isolated male suffering, eg the abuse of a boy by parents or caretakers, physical or sexual abuse, spouse abuse, rape etc. There are also society wide institutional problems, such as incarceration of males for trivial things like weed etc.

When a common theme or response to your suffering is indifference, or worse, ridicule and dismissal, it is not a stretch to see on a large sample of people that will result in anti social behaviour in a portion of them.

The problem with tuff nutz like welch is that he takes his personal triumph of shrugging off things and regards that as good social policy. By all means preach it, but realise that not going to work for each and every person, and other people have to pick up the mess when things go very badly.


That, and I think conflating a one time incident that the majority of people don't remember with long-term constant abuse is fucking stupid.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ReneeHendricks » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:29 pm  •  [Post 5027]

Michael K Gray wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Thank you so much and whatever you can do will be most appreciated! Even just getting the word out is more than enough.

Oooh Renee Artois: It would be a big help for your noble cause if your sig-line had a hot-link direct to your charity so that I didn't have to search for it every time.


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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:32 pm  •  [Post 5028]

Spence wrote:... And yeah, motherboard slots are a PITA so you have to buy large capacity modules and you have to pay top money for that capability.

Ah. Not on the Motherfuckerboard.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Tkmlac » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:32 pm  •  [Post 5029]

Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Al Stefanelli » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:36 pm  •  [Post 5030]

HoneyWagon wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake.
Can someone tell this idiot he has just given Ophelia a gift?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358558531QFFXDFGXVU

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Jesus fucking Christ, that was absolutely deplorable...
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:37 pm  •  [Post 5031]

welch wrote:No, but really? "How they shape a monster"?

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Mykeru » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:39 pm  •  [Post 5032]

Al Stefanelli wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake.
Can someone tell this idiot he has just given Ophelia a gift?

http://www.freezepage.com/1358558531QFFXDFGXVU

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Jesus fucking Christ, that was absolutely deplorable...


And now douche-trying-to be-edgy's totally serious-ish acid-attack threat against Ophelia Benson (which she fished hard for, props) will enter into FTB mythology.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Mark Neil » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:42 pm  •  [Post 5033]

Tkmlac wrote:Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?


Still don't have it as bad as Ophelia

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby another lurker » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:45 pm  •  [Post 5034]

DownThunder wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Well, humans aren't puppies, but I get the point. Are you talking about boys being abuse victims themselves with no one to care, or them simply noting that if they were abused, people may not care?


Any person's experiences will shape their behaviour towards others. In regards to males specifically, there are problems with general societies attitude towards isolated male suffering, eg the abuse of a boy by parents or caretakers, physical or sexual abuse, spouse abuse, rape etc. There are also society wide institutional problems, such as incarceration of males for trivial things like weed etc.

When a common theme or response to your suffering is indifference, or worse, ridicule and dismissal, it is not a stretch to see on a large sample of people that will result in anti social behaviour in a portion of them.

The problem with tuff nutz like welch is that he takes his personal triumph of shrugging off things and regards that as good social policy. By all means preach it, but realise that not going to work for each and every person, and other people have to pick up the mess when things go very badly.



I read a great book, back in 1998, wish I could remember the title, about boys and the struggles boys face growing up. Specifically, how 'shame' is used to force boys to conform to masculine roles. From the get go, boys must not cry, boys must be tough, and if a boy is not tough, he is shamed. Boys must face personal struggles *alone* and without support. Girls have loads of support, boys are expected to keep it all in. And then once boys get older, they are suddenly thrust into a world that expects them to 1) be ultra masculine while at the same time 2) being super sensitive, esp. to women.

All of these conflicting societal expectations would fuck anyone up. I am glad that I took the time to educate myself, back then, instead of just assuming that all men were just assholes (without feelings) right out of the box.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:51 pm  •  [Post 5035]

HoneyWagon wrote:Oh, for fuck's sake.
Can someone tell this idiot he has just given Ophelia a gift?

[spoiler]http://www.freezepage.com/1358558531QFFXDFGXVU

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To any FTBers, you know this guy is not serious, but for the record, I think he was a stupid asshole for even writing it.


Yeah, what a fuckin' moron. You're not helping, Conlon.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby d4m10n » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:51 pm  •  [Post 5036]

DownThunder wrote:
sacha wrote:
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d4m10n wrote:
Just needed something to put on Justin V. so that everyone can more easily recognize him at the Women in Secularism conference.



What about a target? Poor Justin.


poor Justin indeed. He needs to be wired with a spy camera and have a chaperone. I don't think it is a good idea for him to attend alone.

I know I'm far behind. I'm trying to catch up


I had the same thought about a camera, in case (likely) that someone accuses him of something just out of spite. BUT then you know if Justin uses or shows any footage, he'll be flamed for spying and being all creepy.

However, I still think having solid evidence like video is immensely helpful and outweighs the inevitable and predictable accusations that will be levelled against him.


Meh. Audio recording should do the trick most of the time, for was less in terms of MB.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Pitchguest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:54 pm  •  [Post 5037]

Tkmlac wrote:Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?


Well, we were laughing along with Ophelia's latest attention wank, where she made light about people getting acid thrown in their face and comparing it to her own situation within the atheist community when Jerry Conlon -- now in the future referred to as "nincompoop" -- fucked it up by actually, while joking about it, making a maybe threat about throwing acid in her face.

And we are facepalming so hard right now. Jerry, if you're out there: you damn fool. You gave her what she wanted. :doh:
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Tkmlac » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:54 pm  •  [Post 5038]

Mark Neil wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?


Still don't have it as bad as Ophelia

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -throwing/

Yeah, I saw that shit. UGH. And now that some asshole on twitter has said it to her, she can use that ONE TWEET to dispel any criticism against her for that horrible post.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Tkmlac » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:58 pm  •  [Post 5039]

Hmm. https://twitter.com/JerryConlon

Page does not exist. Not "user has been suspended," but no longer exists, which means he deleted his account. Did anyone screenshots of this guy's account before it went down?
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Pitchguest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:02 pm  •  [Post 5040]

On the one hand, if she ever tries to use it as a legitimate threat against her, we'll just laugh in her face. If she tries to make Justin Vacula's mocking her as an implicit threat, again we'll just laugh in her face.

On the other, Jerry Conlon's tweet: not helping. At all. Skepchud had the right idea if you want to be funny about it, but outright saying acid would do her some good? The fuck's wrong with you.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:03 pm  •  [Post 5041]

Pitchguest wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?


Well, we were laughing along with Ophelia's latest attention wank, where she made light about people getting acid thrown in their face and comparing it to her own situation within the atheist community when Jerry Conlon -- now in the future referred to as "nincompoop" -- fucked it up by actually, while joking about it, making a maybe threat about throwing acid in her face.

And we are facepalming so hard right now. Jerry, if you're out there: you damn fool. You gave her what she wanted. :doh:


And it was just plain fucking wrong to do, whether or not she was happy to get what she wanted. And of course, he will now and forever be branded a "Slymepitter" by Peezus and O, even though there isn't a single person here that would ever condone what he tweeted. Fuck.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Metalogic42 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:04 pm  •  [Post 5042]

Improbable Joe wrote:
I’m sure your stalkers all totally don’t agree with what that person said on Twitter about pouring acid in your face, and they’ll make a concerted effort to condemn it.

Oh, wait… they’ll call it a “joke” and mock you for taking it seriously. Because they’re really awesome people, and that’s what awesome people do when this sort of thing happens.


Pitchguest wrote:And we are facepalming so hard right now. Jerry, if you're out there: you damn fool. You gave her what she wanted. :doh:


HoneyWagon wrote:To any FTBers, you know this guy is not serious, but for the record, I think he was a stupid asshole for even writing it.


Gumby wrote:Yeah, what a fuckin' moron. You're not helping, Conlon.


Al Steffanelli wrote:Jesus fucking Christ, that was absolutely deplorable...


Yeah, we're totally not condemning it...
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby sacha » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:08 pm  •  [Post 5043]

ERV wrote:Still had the tab open-- Shermers article:


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A Guy Thing? Secularism, Feminism, and a Response to Ophelia Benson
Michael Shermer

When I got involved in the skeptical, atheist, and secular movements in the 1980s, one looked out over the audience and saw mostly old white guys. Today it is a different picture entirely. At the last Skeptics Society lecture at Caltech on December 16, for example, an audience of three hundred was roughly fifty-fifty men and women, with a broad range of ages from college students to octogenarians. At the last several instances of The Amazing Meeting (TAM) in Las Vegas—the largest gathering of skeptics and atheists in the world—there have been almost as many women speakers as men and around 40 percent women attendees.

Prominent women atheists write powerful books, such as Greta Christina’s 2012 Why Are You Atheists So Angry: 99 Things That Piss Off the Godless, which I just listened to on audio, laughing my ass off and wishing I had come up with such poignant arguments. There are notable women skeptics, such as Carol Tavris, who has re-engineered introductory psychology textbooks to include skeptical principles throughout (see, for example, her own introduction to psychology textbook coauthored with Carole Wade).

Exceptional women physicians de­bunk alternative medicine quackery, such as Harriet Hall, MD, widely known and highly regarded as the SkepDoc. Women skeptics have created organizations to encourage more participation by women in secular communities, such as Rebecca Watson’s Skepchicks (I even posed for her Skepdudes calendar!). My friend and colleague Jennifer McCreight, whom I have encouraged to go on for her PhD, has pushed secular student groups to get more women students involved on campuses throughout the United States. For years, the brilliant Ellen Johnson headed American Atheists. Annie Laurie Gaylor’s Freedom From Religion Founda­tion has called attention to the hateful actions of religion against women. The executive director of the Richard Dawkins Founda­tion is Elisabeth Cornwell, a PhD evolutionary psychologist who writes and speaks brilliantly on all matters secular. Robynn McCarthy coanchors (with Derek Colanduno) the biweekly podcast Skep­ticality, the official podcast of the Skeptics Society. There are distinguished women columnists in skeptical, atheist, and human­ist magazines, such as Karen Stollz­now in my Skeptic magazine (along with Harriet Hall’s regular column there) and Ophelia Benson in FREE INQUIRY. And last but not least, there is the cofounder of the Skeptics Society and Skeptic magazine, Pat Linse, who also developed Jr. Skeptic magazine and has for twenty years produced world-class illustrations in support of secular issues and been a powerful force for skepticism.

This is the tip of the iceberg. Google “women in atheism” and you’ll find hundreds more examples, emblematic of how far we’ve come toward gender equality in just a quarter-century and of how much there is to celebrate.

Let me provide another example of moral progress that at first will seem counterintuitive. It involves a McCarthy-like witch hunt within secular communities to root out the last vestiges of sexism, racism, and bigotry of any kind, real or imagined. Although this unfortunate trend has produced a backlash against itself by purging from its ranks the likes of such prominent advocates as Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, I contend that this is in fact a sign of moral progress. Less than a century ago, women were not even allowed to vote. Less than half a century ago, women were blatantly discriminated against in the workplace. As I mentioned, a quarter-century ago, the secular, atheist, and skeptical movements scarcely included any women. Today, even as a plethora of women openly, freely participate in—or lead—secular organizations, much ink and emotion are spilled over trivial slips of the tongue that allegedly reveal hidden biases and unconscious prejudices.

To date, I have stayed out of this witch hunt against our most prominent leaders, thinking that “this too shall pass.” Perhaps I should have said something earlier. As Martin Niemöller famously warned about the inactivity of German intellectuals during the rise of the Nazi party, “first they came for ...” but “I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a....”

When self-proclaimed secular feminists attacked Richard Dawkins for a seemingly innocent response to an equally innocent admonishment to guys by Rebecca Watson (the founder of Skepchicks) that it isn’t cool to hit on women in elevators, this erupted into what came to be known as “Elevator­gate.” I didn’t speak out because I figured that an intellect as formidable as Richard Dawkins’s did not need my comparatively modest brainpower in support.

When these same self-described secular feminists went after Sam Harris for a commentary supporting racial profiling in the search for terrorists, again I didn’t speak out. When Harris wrote, “If my daughter one day reads in my obituary that her father ‘was persistently dogged by charges of racism and bigotry,’ unscrupulous people like P.Z. Myers will be to blame,” I thought to myself: “Don’t worry about it, Sam. Your work is for the ages. PZ Myers’s work is for the minutes—the half-life measure of blogs relative to books.”

But perhaps I should have spoken out, because now the inquisition has been turned on me, by none other than one of the leading self-proclaimed secular feminists whose work has heretofore been important in the moral progress of our movement. I have already responded to this charge against me elsewhere,* so I will only briefly summarize it here. Instead of allowing my inquisitors to force me into the position of defending myself (I still believe in the judicial principle of innocence until proven guilty), I shall use this incident to make the case for moral progress.

Here’s what happened: last summer I appeared on an online television show called The Point, hosted by Huffington Post chief science correspondent Cara Santa Maria, who invited me and two other men (Sean Carroll and Edward Falzon) to discuss atheism. In a Q&A following the main discussion, a male viewer asked: “Why isn’t the gender split closer to fifty-fifty as it should be?”

Santa Maria responded first: “In putting together this panel I had a hell of a time finding a woman who would be willing to sit on the panel with me to discuss her atheism. Why is that?”

She then turned to me. I said: “I think it probably really is fifty-fifty. It’s who wants to stand up and talk about it, go on shows about it, go to conferences and speak about it, who’s intellectually active about it; you know, it’s more of a guy thing.”** I then followed this up by noting that at the 2012 TAM, there had been more women speakers than men. In that I misspoke slightly; according to TAM organizer D.J. Grothe, the number of men and women speakers was equal (the roster on the web page is incorrect) until, ironically, Ophelia Benson herself dropped out. As for the sex ratio of attendees, there were 40 percent women in 2011 and 31 percent in 2012. Grothe speculated online that the anomalous downward shift might possibly be due to some of these very same secular feminists blogging about how skeptic or atheist events were not safe for women.

The other two panelists gave their answers, we moved on to the next topic, and I didn’t give it another thought until I read in Ophelia Benson’s article “Non­theism and Feminism: Why the Dis­con­nect?” (FI, December 2012/January 2013) that “atheism hasn’t always been very welcoming to women.” Why? Be­cause, Benson believes: “The main stereotype in play, let’s face it, is that women are too stupid to do nontheism. Unbelieving in God is thinky work, and women don’t do thinky, because ‘that’s a guy thing.’”

As evidence for this claim, Benson cites my ten-second comment, removing my preface that “I think it probably really is fifty-fifty,” as well as my observation that women are now near parity in both speakers and attendees at the largest skeptics/atheist conference in the world. However sexist “it’s a guy thing” might sound out of context (and redacted of qualification), it is clear from my answer that I do not believe that women are, in Benson’s characterization, “too stupid to do nontheism” or that “unbelieving in God is thinky work and women don’t do thinky.”

I don’t believe that for a moment, and in any case the evidence (as I outlined at the beginning of this essay) overwhelmingly demonstrates that women are more than capable of thinking, writing, speaking, and debating about God and theism. Unquestionably. Unequivocally. After reading Greta Christina’s book, for example, if I were a believer heading into a debate with her about God, I would be trembling in my boots as much as many theists I know were when they faced the great Christopher Hitchens.

So what did I mean by “it’s a guy thing”? Mostly it was just an observation of the way things were in the past (a bunch of old white guys) that is rapidly changing (the near-parity at TAM), and is in reality intellectually equal (“I think it probably really is fifty-fifty”). Yet since I wrote that explanation noted above, I have been pilloried as a sexist, misogynist, and bigot (with, thankfully, even more positive comments in support and against this secular witch hunt).

Why isn’t the sex ratio in secular, atheist, and skeptical communities perfectly fifty-fifty? I don’t know. If it were 51–49, would that be sexism or statistical noise? What about 55–45? What’s the number at which we define sexism? I don’t know. I asked Cara if she had given the matter further thought, and she replied as follows:

In my search for panelists on the show, I did reach out to a couple of high-profile female atheists local to Los Angeles, but none were available to join. We did receive a video comment from AJ Johnson, the Director of Development at American Athe­ists.

I don’t know why there seem to be more men in secular circles than women, or whether there truly are more men than women who proudly bear the atheist label. I do find that I get a lot of feedback from readers/viewers commending me on my “bravery” for speaking up as a female atheist. I’m not sure why I’m perceived as being any more brave than a man in doing so.

What I can say is whether it’s real or perceived, a gender bias does seem to exist in atheist/secular/humanist circles, but I’ve never known my friend and colleague Michael Shermer to contribute to this problem. He is, in my estimation, as pro-woman and pro-atheism as they come. [This final comment was unsolicited and I considered redacting it, but just in case there remains any doubt....]


I shall close with a warning about the propensity for social movements to turn on themselves in purges that distract from the original goals and destroy the movement from within. (I wrote about this effect in my book Why People Believe Weird Things, most notably with regards to Ayn Rand’s Objectivist movement, in which members were judged—and subsequently purged—for such trivial matters as liking the wrong music; in the end the movement was reduced to Rand and a handful of sycophants alone in her New York apartment.) As the aforementioned Harriet Hall e-mailed me, she “was vilified on Ophelia’s blog for not following a certain kind of feminist party line of how a feminist should act and think. And I was attacked there in a disturbingly irrational, nonskeptical way.” I asked her why she didn’t defend herself: “I did not dare try to explain my thinking on Ophelia’s blog, because it was apparent from the tone of the comments that anything I might say would be misinterpreted and twisted to use against me. I have always been a feminist but I have my own style of feminism. And I have felt more oppressed by these sort of feminists than by men, and far less welcome in that strain of feminism than in the atheist or skeptical communities.” As for why the sex ratio isn’t perfectly fifty-fifty, Hall noted: “I think it is unreasonable to expect that equal numbers of men and women will be attracted to every sphere of human endeavor. Science has shown that real differences exist. We should level the playing field and ensure there are no preventable obstacles, then let the chips fall where they may.”

If I had to conjecture why at this mo­ment there are not more women atheists and skeptics making public appearances on such television shows, it is probably a legacy of the past socialization de­fining what women are expected to do. But as I noted at the beginning of this essay, this is changing so rapidly that I doubt the necessity of witch hunts to root out any such remnants of sexism (because of the problem of false positives, in my case).

To conclude on a positive note, if the worst offense against women in secularism today is a ten-second quip taken out of context and redacted to the two-second line “it’s a guy thing” (which in any case was not meant to be sexist) then I would count that as evidence of significant moral progress deserving of celebration, not vilification.

*http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-12-12/#feature

**At the twelve-minute mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pmvv_-Lew
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"As the aforementioned Harriet Hall e-mailed me, she “was vilified on Ophelia’s blog for not following a certain kind of feminist party line of how a feminist should act and think. And I was attacked there in a disturbingly irrational, nonskeptical way.” I asked her why she didn’t defend herself: “I did not dare try to explain my thinking on Ophelia’s blog, because it was apparent from the tone of the comments that anything I might say would be misinterpreted and twisted to use against me. I have always been a feminist but I have my own style of feminism. And I have felt more oppressed by these sort of feminists than by men, and far less welcome in that strain of feminism than in the atheist or skeptical communities.” As for why the sex ratio isn’t perfectly fifty-fifty, Hall noted: “I think it is unreasonable to expect that equal numbers of men and women will be attracted to every sphere of human endeavor. Science has shown that real differences exist. We should level the playing field and ensure there are no preventable obstacles, then let the chips fall where they may.”


Harriet Hall - Warrior Hero

If the worst offense against women in secularism today is a ten-second quip taken out of context and redacted to the two-second line “it’s a guy thing” (which in any case was not meant to be sexist) then I would count that as evidence of significant moral progress deserving of celebration, not vilification.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Pitchguest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:09 pm  •  [Post 5044]

That Wowbagger has the wrong idea about the Slymepit is an understatement.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ReneeHendricks » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:11 pm  •  [Post 5045]

Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ReneeHendricks » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:12 pm  •  [Post 5046]

Damn, Pitch - you beat me to it :D
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Plonk » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:13 pm  •  [Post 5047]

ReneeHendricks wrote:At any rate, his tweet was really not called for *and* he tried to be "funny" by saying he was talking about "alpha hydroxy". Whatever. Fucking idiot.

Here's a screencap of the alpha hydroxy comment
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:16 pm  •  [Post 5048]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)


I'm on record here multiple times as stating posting on FtB is a waste of time, but I had to respond to Wowbagger. I basically told him to please leave us out of this because we're all currently over at the Pit saying what a horrible thing Jerry Conlon tweeted. If it makes it past moderation, I'm sure the usual suspects will jump all over it with their usual impeccable anti-logic. But I felt it needed to be said.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby rocko2466 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:18 pm  •  [Post 5049]

Jan Steen wrote:I only meant avoid sending twitter messages to them directly. They can too easily twist that into harrassment.


These were my tweets referring to an Ellen Beth Wachs incident that she said could amount to criminal harassment

Note: I am only Rocko2466 - I was receiving tweets and she blamed me lol

https://twitter.com/Rocko2466/status/286413461091655681

http://i.imgur.com/9fjwr.jpg

I said to her (when she accused me of it on MichaelNugent.com) “It’s not attacking someone to receive a tweet about them”

She responded "Oh, it not only can be perceived as attacking someone. It can be perceived as criminally attacking them."

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby ERV » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:20 pm  •  [Post 5050]

On a totally unrelated related note-- the best AHAs and BHAs come from a company based in Seattle, 'Paulas Choice'. Dont buy anything full priced-- they always have some kind of sale going, but all of their products are made in the US, fragrance free, proper pH for the acids to work, I LOVE THEM. Just using PC products cleared up my acne just as well/better than the topical antibiotics I had been using (and dealing with resistance issues), and Im not even using the acne line. If any of you are in the market for a great skincare line, its Paulas Choice. I literally havent bought a product I havent loved.

Ive been meaning to do a 'Saturday Shillery' post on them since I saw an ad for them on Skeptic Ink :D Skeptic Ink has non-psychotic advertisements, unlike 'other' skeptic networks...
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby 16bitheretic » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:21 pm  •  [Post 5051]

Wowbagger is an idiot.

This is a comedy site, nobody here that I've seen wants to harm people physically. As far as Justicar, NoelPlum99 and Thunderf00t, I watch the videos made by all 3 of those individuals and I see nothing to indicate any of them are the sort of violent primitives Wowbagger seems to think they are. Thunder and NoelPlum usually post some rather well thought out points and Justicar mocks the doublespeak and hypocrisy of FTBloggers and their allies with the same fervor seen here on the Pit. Oh yeah, I guess disagreeing with the FTB party line makes all those who hold antagonizing views mentioned a violent mob or something.

And Jerry Conlon, you can go fuck yourself. Dumbshit.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gefan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:26 pm  •  [Post 5052]

Can't help but notice that there is unanimous condemnation here of one idiotic tweet and that it's not entirely on the grounds of its tactical stupidity.
Reverse the roles and does anyone doubt we'd be treated to a frantic display of rationalizing, excuses, and in-group solidarity?
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby rocko2466 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:28 pm  •  [Post 5053]

Mykeru wrote: And now douche-trying-to be-edgy's totally serious-ish acid-attack threat against Ophelia Benson (which she fished hard for, props) will enter into FTB mythology.


AND her baiting it - which is what she was trying to do - baiting a flippant remark on Twitter to retweet and blog about, has succeeded. AND that baiting will never get brought up.

So she'll show people and say "This guy's a slimepitter" - even though I don't think he actually is and they'll be able to keep more confused, part-time skeptics in their entourage. FFS.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Dilurk » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:31 pm  •  [Post 5054]

Plonk wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:At any rate, his tweet was really not called for *and* he tried to be "funny" by saying he was talking about "alpha hydroxy". Whatever. Fucking idiot.

Here's a screencap of the alpha hydroxy comment
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http://alphahydroxyproducts.com

Alpha hydroxy acids in various concentrations are used in chemical peels. The concentration determines who can use it. Alpha hydroxy acid products sold to consumers must have a concentration of less than 10%. Trained cosmetologists can use alpha hydroxy acid products that have a concentration of 20% to 30%. These chemical peels give results that are similar to microdermabrasion - erasing fine lines and giving the skin a smoother appearance with 1 to 3 applications. However, these treatments must be repeated every 3 to 6 months to maintain this skin appearance.


From http://dermatology.about.com/cs/skincareproducts/a/aha_2.htm

Even wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-hydroxy_acid

I am still condemning the comment as tasteless given the context. However, I do suspect this guy thought he was making a totally witty remark by suggesting OB needed cosmetic skin care with a reasonably safe for skin acid. After all household vinegar contains some acetic acid as well.

Again, TASTELESS in large letters. Still I find it interesting no one looked it up yet.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Dan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:32 pm  •  [Post 5055]

Jerry Conlon this is how you mock Ophie without giving her victim points

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:33 pm  •  [Post 5056]

Gefan wrote:Can't help but notice that there is unanimous condemnation here of one idiotic tweet and that it's not entirely on the grounds of its tactical stupidity.


It was a morally reprehensible thing that Jerry Conlon said. There were no "tactics" involved.

Thankfully, this was just an isolated incident, although it will no doubt be cast as "just another day at the office" by the FTB/Skepchick Professional Victim Society. And Conlon's garbage will no doubt be featured prominently featured on the Page-O-Hate (and for once, I wouldn't blame them for it, even if Conlon was just making an awful, awful joke).
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:33 pm  •  [Post 5057]

Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the hows-your-father.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Lsuoma » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:35 pm  •  [Post 5058]

BTW, not that it'll make an ounce of difference to Cobweb Cunt, but there is not nor ever has been a Jerry Conlon or similar user name registered here.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Pitchguest » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:35 pm  •  [Post 5059]

Jerry Conlon is not, to my knowledge, a member here on the 'pit. Then again, nor have the other people who've allegedly said overly harsh things about them been 'pitters and they have just all of them been brushed broadly to one side.

In the end, though, "slymepitter" is simply their word for anything bad now. Doesn't matter their affiliation. If they're bad, they're 'pitters.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:36 pm  •  [Post 5060]

Michael K Gray wrote:Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the hows-your-father.
Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his betty harpers and caught his can in the bertie.


Agreed... I think. What?
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Lsuoma » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:38 pm  •  [Post 5061]

Gumby wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the hows-your-father.
Hairy blighter, dicky-birdied, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his betty harpers and caught his can in the bertie.


Agreed... I think. What?

Call me old-fashioned, but I like a dump to be as memorable as it is devastating.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby 16bitheretic » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 pm  •  [Post 5062]

Gefan wrote:Can't help but notice that there is unanimous condemnation here of one idiotic tweet and that it's not entirely on the grounds of its tactical stupidity.
Reverse the roles and does anyone doubt we'd be treated to a frantic display of rationalizing, excuses, and in-group solidarity?


You mean like how they all cry about harassment left and right from Twitter, blog comments, t-shirts and yet some still defend harassers like Greg Laden after he makes threats aimed at Justin Griffith, and there's excuses and victim blaming trotted out by the likes of Svan and Thibeault? You mean like they toss Vacula under a bus for "doxxing" and make him into a pariah when Watson and Laden have both doxxed people themselves, or at least tried to, and somehow that's totally different dontcha know?

Nah, they'd never be hypocritical about anything, what could possibly give one that idea?

And as far as tactics, well, Conlon being a dumbshit doesn't help any of those who associate with people the FTBloggers/A+/Skepchicks don't approve of, but the reality is Benson and others like her will always find some asshat to try and represent the group.

After all, according to those people we aren't individuals with varying opinions (OMG the Pit has feminists, MRAs and non-labelled posting together? THE HORROR!), rather we are one monolithic collective groupthink block of rapists, racists, misogynists, transphobic, cis-privileged, white-privileged, male chauvanist, chill girl, gender traitor sociopaths, amirite? They'll always try and find some way to paint us all with the same brush. If it wasn't dumbshit Conlon it would have been somebody else.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gefan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:44 pm  •  [Post 5063]

Gumby wrote:
Gefan wrote:Can't help but notice that there is unanimous condemnation here of one idiotic tweet and that it's not entirely on the grounds of its tactical stupidity.


It was a morally reprehensible thing that Jerry Conlon said. There were no "tactics" involved.

Thankfully, this was just an isolated incident, although it will no doubt be cast as "just another day at the office" by the FTB/Skepchick Professional Victim Society. And Conlon's garbage will no doubt be featured prominently featured on the Page-O-Hate (and for once, I wouldn't blame them for it, even if Conlon was just making an awful, awful joke).


I'm not disputing that it was reprehensible. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
I'm also wondering, who the blue fuck is Jerry Conlon?
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:44 pm  •  [Post 5064]

Lsuoma wrote:5rKYL0tW-Ek


Then my reaction was entirely appropriate.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Gumby » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:47 pm  •  [Post 5065]

Gefan wrote:I'm also wondering, who the blue fuck is Jerry Conlon?


Dunno. Usually skeptics or atheists who have made some sort of name for themselves are the ones who go by their real names on Twitter.

I found a youtube channel after a very quick search, but nothing else that would suggest this particular Jerry Conlon. Can't be bothered to dig too deep though. I already know he's a twat.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JerryConlon
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby rocko2466 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:51 pm  •  [Post 5066]

Gumby wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)


I'm on record here multiple times as stating posting on FtB is a waste of time, but I had to respond to Wowbagger. I basically told him to please leave us out of this because we're all currently over at the Pit saying what a horrible thing Jerry Conlon tweeted. If it makes it past moderation, I'm sure the usual suspects will jump all over it with their usual impeccable anti-logic. But I felt it needed to be said.


I did too. I posted as Danger Mouse using my real email address and signing off as Rocko2466 (just to get past the filter!)

Hi Ophelia

As you know, because you visit, the Slymepit has been roundly condemning this guy's stupid idea of a joke. I should also point out that he isn't a slymepitter (not that it would matter, because the Slymepit doesn't ban, which is why oolon is still around from time to time!)

I think you should also point out that the tweet is obviously a response to your article where you claimed that your getting criticised on the internet was akin to the plight of acid victims (which you conveniently have omitted from this article). The guy was poorly parodying your unjustified claim.

It is clearly not a threat.

I wish you wouldn't be so disingenuous. And I wish your commenters weren't such sheep.

Thanks Ophelia. I look forward to reading about your skeptic / philosophy material when you one day decide to return to it.

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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Lsuoma » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:54 pm  •  [Post 5067]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Well, Wowbagger is already jumping on that "approved by the Slymepit" bandwagon:

"I don’t know; for something like that he’s likely to win the Slymepit’s ‘Heroic Freethinking Skeptic of the Year’ award, and be asked to join Skeptic Ink as their newest member. Justicar, Thunderfoot and NoelPlum99 will mention him as a fine fellow in their next 137 YouTube videos (about a week’s worth). Russell Blackford will buy him a drink and Jeremy Stangroom will ask him to be his wingman for his next big night on the town."

(from OB's latest post on her acid tweet)

Well, you know what? I would bet a metric shit-tonne that none of Douchebagger's predictions will come true. Not one...
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby CommanderTuvok » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:59 pm  •  [Post 5068]

I reckon Jerry Conlon is a fake account set up by one of the Baboon supporters. I wouldn't put it past them.

BTW, looking at Justin's FB page with much mirth, reminded me just how exposed Ophelia and all the other FfTB morons are when outside Baboon HQ. When they can't censor, moderate, memory hole and ban, they get slaughtered, and they flounce pretty quickly.

This is why I have said that if a forum outside of their control opens up, and it is possible to engage and respond with the Baboons - DO IT. Hit the boards and give them hell. Make them scarper back to the safety of their Baboon cages. Make them get a sense of reality - that the atheist and skeptic communities despise them.
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Zenspace » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:02 pm  •  [Post 5069]

Pitchguest wrote:This is how Ophelia Benson defends her lunacy,

https://twitter.com/CarcelMousineau/sta ... 4930307072

Bravo, Prune. Bravo.


Whoa! I had no idea that OB was capable of such a deft, heartfelt and clearly considered rebuttal! :whistle:
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Re: The Periodic Table's Younger, Sexier, Sibling Thread...

Postby Cunning Punt » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:10 pm  •  [Post 5070]

Tkmlac wrote:
Mark Neil wrote:
Tkmlac wrote:Hi 'Pit!

Just finished two ten-hour shifts split by a nine-hour overnight (and they say I'm nothing but a lazy liberal, but I digress). Decided to skip ahead instead of spend the NEXT thirty hours catching up!

What'd I miss?


Still don't have it as bad as Ophelia

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -throwing/

Yeah, I saw that shit. UGH. And now that some asshole on twitter has said it to her, she can use that ONE TWEET to dispel any criticism against her for that horrible post.


That the tweet was a fucking disgrace stands on its own, regardless of whether Benson scores points off it.
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