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...Antifa, at least the American version of it, is just another activist movement.
You already made this claim. I quoted you & replied. You ignore the substance of my reply & repeat the claim.
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....The fact that Protect the Results (not the Dem party) has the ear of Antifa tells me American Antifa is just another garden variety ideology.
This claim is the exact opposite of what you claimed yesterday.
Exact quote--> "There is just about as much connection between ACWTPS and Antifa as there is between ACWTPS and Proud Boys."
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....Ngo asserts that Antifa is dedicated to the destruction of democracy!
...How does this jibe with any of that?
I already answered this: history is full of examples-- of the US backing violent tribal warlords, because we shared a common enemy. Arming the mujahideen jihadis against the Soviets does not render the mujahideen pro-democracy.
The deal the Dems cut with Antifa boils down to: Antifa still gets to riot without fear of prosecution, as long as they confine their riots to Dem-approved times and targets.
The entire TIME report describes various organizations putting-aside their differences to conspire against the common foe of Trump.
A similar marriage of convenience occurred in June 2020 when BLM smashed the AFL-CIO headquarters in 2020. BLM attacked because the Police Unions are part of the AFL-CIO. Other member unions within the AFL-CIO firmly supported BLM-- supported the very group attacking them. BLM and those member-unions pressured the AFL-CIO to oust the Police Unions, which are also members. AFL-CIO did not oust the Police Unions. But AFL-CIO did replace their smashed headquarters windows with plywood panels spelling B L A C K L I V E S M A T T E R in giant letters. And... of course, wait for it... AFL-CIO dutifully donated to their BLM assailants.
Nothing about this deal stopped the police unions from continuing to defend racist killer cops . But BLM shut the fuck up... and confined their rioting, arson, looting, intimidation, murder to acceptable targets.
Of particular note: the specific union within AFL-CIO, which cried-foul against police unions being part of AFL-CIO-- was the Writer's Guild... which has expanded beyond their screenwriter base/ now they're the union representing online-content writers. After the enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend deal was cut... the writers stopped complaining about police unions, complained about acceptable-target Trump & trump-voters.
Remember: the machiavelli behind the conspiracy celebrated by TIME-- is the senior advisor to the president of AFL-CIO, in charge of influencing elections for public office. And the same guy is behind the founding of Analyst Institute-- the Democrats' political strategy thinktank, and Catalist-- the Democrats' data-mining and digital-influence-strategy firm. Catalist instructed Facebook and Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden bribery story, censor & deplatform pro-Trump citizens as 'dangerous disinformation'.
Antifa associating with the Democrat's ratfucking operation doesn't clean up Antifa's anti-democratic reputation. Just like "Hey, I work with the CIA!" is a hardly a character reference for a warlord.
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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!
#11641Post by Service Dog » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:29 pm
A couple days ago I heard an interview on WBAI 99.5 FM-- the radio station is proudly lefty progressive and is stuck in the 1960's, 70's, 80's-- maybe the 1930's--
This interview was with a union guy. From his California voice, I pictured a Beto O'Rourke, but with long greasy hair. And his union is the Writer's Guild of America-- not-exactly Steelworkers. But they are a part of the AFL-CIO. I guess they aren't-just screenwriters-- but also online content writers now, too. So-- the guy made this statement about how the fundamental point of the labor movement is to support working-class people/ and police are contrary to that/ so the Writer's Guild is calling for the largest police union to be ejected from the AFL-CIO. There's some weak 'Code Of Excellence' which the leadership is advocating the cop unions to adopt.
I wasn't sure if kicking out the police union was an empty virtue signal, or if it might hurt the negotiating power of cop unions to make abusive deals. The AFL-CIO leadership rejected the demand-- saying the cops would stay-in. Some other scattered unions have taken action-- the Bus Driver's union says they will no longer transport prisoners for the justice system. That strikes me as legit. Apparently the first police union-- back in like 1890-- tried to join the AFL-- and were rejected because cops were considered to be union-busting tools of The Man.
Another twist is that the AFL-CIO headquarters were smashed-up in the looting, then boarded-up, then painted with big BLACK LIVES MATTER letters.
I don't know if the AFL-CIO are supposedly good-guys for the disinfranchised/ or bad-guys helping cops kill with impunity-- and I don't think they know either.
In addition to greasy-beto, some strident black woman was on the radio show-- and everything she said was in retro-vintage black-power cadence, sprinkled with gratuitious references to the Oversee-ers on plantations and White Supremacy. But she also was careful to say the police unions could still exist-- just not be part of the AFL-CIO: the union people want it both ways: they still want to claim unions are always doubleplusgood/ while also having beef with the cop unions.
About 7% of US workers are still unionized-- so they're always desperate to increase their numbers. Greasy Beto said the BLM protesters are young and fiery and radical and can bring new life to the union movement. Or poison it, if you ask me. He also talked about the Amazon package handlers who spontaneously walked-off & protested their working conditions during Covid. He said the AFL-CIO should have seized on that & helped them much more, and made that a big recruitment win. Yeah, ok, fair enough. But I bet they didnt want to be seen as exploiting Covid to price-gouge for selfish union benefit.
I was left wondering how crappy the AFL-CIO could be-- in response to the members wanting more action in favor of social change-- before Beto & the black revolutionary lady would stop seeing the union as part-of-the-solution, and... y'know.
Another tidbit was the claim that Trump's 2016 win was a wake-up-call for the AFL-CIO. They had lost the traditional aging white blue collar middle-american workers. So the AFL-CIO has since-focused on trying to get those whitey's back. But they've exclusively pursued that winning-back group-- not really making good use of anti-Trump sentiment to win the blacks and immigrants and young people-- into the labor movement.
I don't know how much unions matter, anymore. But at least they have an infrastructure-- a system of membership, establishing policy goals, elected leaders-- a coherent organization-- to develop & make demands... with Some connection to reality. As opposed to formless Antifa CHAZ-mobs & academics & looters & demonstrators with poorly-defined, untested levels of commitment to their cause.